Talk: Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

Revision as of 06:03, 5 March 2009

Personally, I think the episode Dave was specifically written to address/debunk the fan theories that the Island is all just a hallucination a là Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge. (I mean, really, if it were just a figment of someone's mind, how cheated would we all feel? Surely Identity is one of the worst movies ever made; no one wants to recreate it as a seven-season TV series.) But, hey, who knows. However, User:Drinn, I deleted some of your theories on the matter (there was no radio transmission from the authorities saying "there were no survivors," it was Bernard on the other end saying "we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815") and cleaned up the spelling and grammar quite a bit. --Joezoo 05:58, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

Wow. You really think Identity is one of the worst films ever made? I really liked it. I happened to agree that I don't think it's a hallucination, but I do believe that (while unlikely) a group hallucination is a very plausible and interesting solution. I wouldn't be disappointed or think it's a cop out at all. Personally, I think the script in the glass box marked "In Case of Cancellation - Break Glass" may use this premise to tie up all the loose ends. --Sid67 17:59, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

I agree. All this theorizing about everyone being patients at the mental institute is way off track! --Stew Erickson 06:03, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

Yes, the fact that the spelled out the theory onscreen is proof that it isn't true. ;-) --Uth 09:57, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

Hurley _visited_ Leonard?

Did Hurley visit Leonard after being released or was he still a patient in the first flashback in the hospital? --Jambalaya 02:38, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

He visited the hospital after being released as seen in episode 18 of season 1. --Rufus 05:10, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Yes, User:Rufus is right. He went back to talk to Leonard after he won the lottery with the numbers. This was along the same timeline that he went and visited (the deceassed) Sam Toomey and his wife, Martha Toomey. --MisterHighway 7 April 2006

Here's a new one: Anyone who has Season 1 on disc, is Libby visable anywhere in episode 18 where Hurley does go back to Santa Rosa Mental Institute to visit Leonard? --MisterHighway 7 April 2006

Re-watched the Santa Rosa Scences from episode 18 again this morning and couldn't see any sign of Libby or anything else of importance --Rufus 05:46, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Although the character of Libby was planned at the time, the actress had not yet been chosen at the time of that episode.--Tricksterson 10:52, 8 April 2006 (PDT)

The chalkboard

Can anyone make out what the patients at Santa Rosa are writing on the chalkboard in the flashback scenes from Dave?--Rufus 05:20, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Mental HEALTH Institute?!?!?

I created this file a while back (before I was a registered user), but I omitted the word "Health" from the title. Any objections to forwarding to Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute or simply Santa Rosa? (by the way I haven't figured out how to forward articles) --BigSteve777 14:00, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

You can create a new article, copy all material (edit, copy/paste) to the new article and then write in the old one just one line: #REDIRECT [ [title of the new article] ] --aurora glacialis 14:03, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

You should NOT do that. Instead use the "Move" button and type in the new name of the page. -- Lostpedian 14:05, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Is that function avaiable to regular users??? Didn't think so. --aurora glacialis 14:06, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

I am a regular user. Look for a "Move" button at the top of the page, or a Move link along the left side. -- Lostpedian 14:10, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Aurora isn't a regular user, the only way to see a regular user's page would be to to create a new user without sysop rights. I don't remember having a move option in my regular user days, and there is no move button when you're not logged in. I have to assume I've forgotten the move button from my regular days or you're not regular or you're using some funky script. --skks 19:59, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Emily Annabeth Locke's Admission form to Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

Take a look at the picture on the right. The place is named Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute.
Jabberwock talk contribs email - 14:48, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

No, it says Santa Rosa *linebreak* Mental Health Institute. -- Lostpedian 15:03, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

That picture is way too funky to have any definite answers based on it, however, it does say "Santa Rosa Mental Heal...." and "Santa Rosa .... Health institute". I don't think it's far off to interpolate "Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute" from that. --skks 19:59, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

View-Source Secrets

Moved from article page 4/16/06 - this does not appear to have any relation to Lost. srigenetics.com is not registered to ABC/Disney and has been a registered site since 2001.
Jabberwock talk contribs email - 21:34, 16 April 2006 (PDT)

By going to the 'home' section of the Santa Rosa Institute site, right clicking and selecting 'View Source', additional information is found -

Various keywords, some with obvious ties to the institute such as Genetics, Longevity, DNA and Lifespan.
- More bizarre keywords: Vampires, Zombies.

The last two keywords make a little more sense when placed in the context of a link found only on the 'home' section: the FVZA museum, FVZA standing for Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. Currently, there appear to be no ties between the FVZA and the Lost survivors. Santa Rosa Institute Site

Marcus?

Can someone tell me who Marcus is? I can't remember him. Which episode did he appear in? --LostCat 13:53, 17 May 2006 (PDT)

He was in Dave. http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.lost-tv.com%2Ftranscripts+marcus --Ernest 14:02, 17 May 2006 (PDT)

I created a page for him. --Ernest 15:35, 17 May 2006 (PDT)

Anthony Cooper

One of the listed theories is that Anthony Cooper might have had Emily Annabeth Locke commited there, sugessting a link between the hospital and Widmore. Is there any evidence that Cooper is affiliated with Widmore? I've only heard of one source for such a claim, and it's widely accepted as fan-driven. --Wintermute 08:19, 17 July 2006 (PDT)

There is no evidence that Cooper has anything to do with Widmore. It is easy to have someone commited you don't have to pull some strings.--Captain Insano

That's what I thought. Some people seem very keen to link any random background character to DHARMA / Hanso without a scrap of evidence. --Wintermute 08:55, 17 July 2006 (PDT)

Dave is not a patient at the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

I don't think he meets their criteria. Anyone have any evidence that they treat both real and imaginary people at this institute? :) -Silence 04:14, 15 July 2007 (PDT)

Yeah, good point. I'll remove it now. --Blueeagle islander 04:48, 15 July 2007 (PDT)

location

where is this place it does not say in the article where it is

I just updated the filming location with all the correct information! Enjoy! AlaskaDave 04:20, 20 September 2008 (PDT)
In case you were asking where it is within the world of Lost, it's very likely in the Los Angeles area (since Jack drops by casually during his workday). It is therefore almost certainly not in the city of Santa Rosa, CA, which is hundreds of miles from Los Angeles PerlDiver 22:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
- Good point. The real Santa Rosa is in Northern California, north even of San Francisco. So much for that title card in "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham". Robert K S (talk) 22:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
  - Since when is a title card not Canon? If anything is it should be something clearly stated onscrenn.... Lanpesci 07:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
  - I am going to vote to change it to Santa Rosa in North Cal. We don't know that is isn't, but what we do know that they told us that IT IS. Sure we just assume, for convenience sake, that it is closer to the Reyes's, etc... but - Santa Rosa (Sonoma County) and Napa (Napa County) have large mental health facilities on similar lush estates like the one in LOST. I have been going for years, on the assumption that it WAS in North Cal. Finally, last night I got my YES! moment - they finally told us (CANON ALERT) where it is. So... time to abide by the CANON rules and change the article - even if it offends you sensibilities. –DocH– my edits 04:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

- This isn't a matter of the title card "offending sensibilities"--it's chronologically strained with the sequence from "Something Nice Back Home". Exhibit A: the transcript. It's daylight at Saint Sebastian. Jack tells a patient he'll see her tomorrow at 5 AM, then gets alerted to the message from Dr. Stillman at Santa Rosa. Next thing, he's there, and it's night--total darkness outside, the halls are empty, all the patients are shut up in their rooms. Unless he wears the same shirt and tie every day, he went to Santa Rosa that evening (see Exhibit B). We know Jack didn't use his Golden Pass and hop an express jet there and back--he drove his brown Bronco there--we see him sitting in it outside--so that makes it over 6 hours of travel time. (More realistic estimates are around 10 hours' drive time. [1]) There and back, 12 hours total, minimum--but probably closer to 15 or 16 hours. Then there's the marriage proposal to Kate, and he had a surgery at 5 AM the next day! Hardly leaves any time for any post-proposal whoopee and feeding the baby. I'm not saying it's impossible he drove all that way just to tell Hurley to take his meds. But I certainly wouldn't want to be his surgery patient early the next morning. Robert K S (talk) 06:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I am not challenging the 'logistics' of it all. First of all - don't even think about the PCH or 101, you take I-5 over the pass and zip on up. Obeying speed limits, the trip is about 10.5 hours, an hour with Hurley, then 10.5 back = 22 hours total. Yeah, no... do not want to be Jack's 5AM. Not the point... the point is that Bad Robot lives in CA. They told Disney Domestic or ABC Studios to put "Santa Rosa, California" on the title page - hence, ergo, viz-a-viz = CANON. Until the creative staff says OOPS!!! We goofed. Pretty simple, huh? Doesn't matter that WE know better. (kinda like most of the rest of LOST?) –DocH– my edits

"Until the creative staff says OOPS!!! We goofed." Since when has that ever stopped us from marking something as a blooper and basically ignoring it? If everyone agrees that the location is what doesn't jive with everything else we've been told and shown, why aren't we just marking it a blooper? ---- LOSTonthis darnisland 06:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

All right, well, I won't fight you on it. Long drive for Jack, though. He probably missed that 5 AM surgery. Robert K S (talk) 15:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

The location is CANON now. The show stated Santa Rosa, CA. Period. That means the location isn't a continuity error, however the drivetime for Jack is. If he had left work, driven the shortest route (Sorry DocH but the quickest is up the 101 assuming light traffic in San Jose, SF, and of course the 405/101 interchange in LA - about 8-9 hours) and only stayed with Hurley for a short time his roundtrip is at least 17 hours. He would get back home well into the next day. The scene in "Something Nice" is cleary a later evening shot and is further established as late evening in the dialouge between Kate and Jack. I doubt their babysitter rountinley stays untill 5, 6, 7, 8am - the time it would be if Jack left his hospital at noon, or that Kate rountinley comes home this late and then makes personal calls at such an early hour. Lanpesci 07:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

The above message makes it seem like you are misremembering the episode. Jack doesn't come home from Santa Rosa to a scene involving the babysitter. He arrives home very late at night and wakes Kate up to propose to her. She asks him what time it is, and he responds only, "It's late." Presumably, it could be 4 in the morning, not the best time for making life-altering decisions. Robert K S (talk) 14:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, I was confusing Jack coming home to Kate to propose with Jack coming home to Kate on the phone. Embarassing for me since I initiallly wrote the bulk of the synopsis for that episode! I think we all agree that the drive time for Jack in that scene, plus Sayid's drive later, and other mentions of the general location don't jive with its placement in the city of Santa Rosa. Like Doc said above, The writers decided to make the location final and canon, we can only point out how this conflicts with real life and facts previously stated in the show. Lanpesci 03:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Libby's husband

The line about Libby said, Its is unknown if she was admitted or if she was there for another purpose. If it were the latter, it is most likely due to her husband's death.

This doesn't make any sense to me. What would her husband's death have to do with "another purpose" for being in the hospital? I think the author may have meant "the former" (that she was admitted), but even then this speculation seems like a stretch. --Evan Prodromou 20:26, 31 January 2008 (PST)

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 **This isn't a matter of the title card "offending sensibilities"--it's chronologically strained with the sequence from {{ep|4x10}}.  Exhibit A: [[Something_Nice_Back_Home_transcript#Act_3|the transcript]].  It's daylight at [[Saint Sebastian]].  Jack tells a patient he'll see her tomorrow at 5 AM, then gets alerted to the message from [[Dr. Stillman]] at [[Santa Rosa]].  Next thing, he's there, and it's night--total darkness outside, the halls are empty, all the patients are shut up in their rooms.  Unless he wears the same shirt and tie every day, he went to Santa Rosa that evening (see Exhibit B).  We know Jack didn't use his Golden Pass and hop an express jet there and back--he drove his brown Bronco there--we see him sitting in it outside--so that makes it over 6 hours of travel time.  (More realistic estimates are around 10 hours' drive time. [http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070803221908AArBypH]) There and back, 12 hours total, minimum--but probably closer to 15 or 16 hours.  Then there's the marriage proposal to [[Kate]], and he had a surgery at 5 AM the next day!  Hardly leaves any time for any post-proposal whoopee and feeding the baby.  I'm not saying it's impossible he drove all that way just to tell Hurley to take his meds.  But I certainly wouldn't want to be his surgery patient early the next morning. [[User:Robert K S|Robert&nbsp;K&nbsp;S]] ([[User talk:Robert K S|talk]]) 06:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 :*I am not challenging the 'logistics' of it all. First of all - don't even think about the PCH or 101, you take I-5 over the pass and zip on up. Obeying speed limits, the trip is about 10.5 hours, an hour with Hurley, then 10.5 back = 22 hours total. Yeah, no... do not want to be Jack's 5AM. Not the point... the point is that Bad Robot lives in CA. They told Disney Domestic or ABC Studios to put '''"Santa Rosa, California"''' on the title page - hence, ergo, viz-a-viz = CANON. Until the creative staff says OOPS!!! We goofed. Pretty simple, huh? Doesn't matter that WE know better. (kinda like most of the rest of LOST?) {{User:DocH/sig}}
+::: "Until the creative staff says OOPS!!! We goofed."  Since when has that ''ever'' stopped us from marking something as a blooper and basically ignoring it? If everyone agrees that the location is what doesn't jive with everything else we've been told and shown, why aren't we just marking it a blooper? --{{User:LOSTonthisdarnisland/sig}} 06:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 ::All right, well, I won't fight you on it.  Long drive for Jack, though.  He probably missed that 5 AM surgery. [[User:Robert K S|Robert&nbsp;K&nbsp;S]] ([[User talk:Robert K S|talk]]) 15:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 ::: The location is CANON now.  The show stated Santa Rosa, CA. Period.  That means the location isn't a continuity error, however the drivetime for Jack is.  If he had left work, driven the shortest route (Sorry DocH but the quickest is up the 101 assuming light traffic in San Jose, SF, and of course the 405/101 interchange in LA - about 8-9 hours) and only stayed with Hurley for a short time his roundtrip is at least 17 hours.  He would get back home well into the next day.  The scene in "Something Nice" is cleary a later evening shot and is further established as late evening in the dialouge between Kate and Jack.  I doubt their babysitter rountinley stays untill 5, 6, 7, 8am - the time it would be if Jack left his hospital at noon, or that Kate rountinley comes home this late and then makes personal calls at such an early hour.  [[User:Lanpesci|Lanpesci]] 07:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)