Zholmboe

Hieroglyphs on map Edit

Hi, Hieroglyphs seem to be your thing. Could you tell me if these [1] are Egyptian and what they mean? Thanks!. --Hugo815 00:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Great sighting. I dvr-ed last night's episode, so I haven't had a chance to look at these yet. They are two series. The first series, Aa1:D46-P1 (placenta?:hand-boat on water) means "Northward travel" or "travel downstream" (which were synonymous on the Nile). The second, D21:V31-N5 (mouth:basket-sun), which is particularly great because it confirms some slightly illegible symbols on The Temple, is most likely "Time of kings/ancients". --Zholmboe 00:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC) zholmboe

The Temple Edit

Hello again :) I like your changes to The Temple page, but one thing though.. The person who said the Temple was NW of the Barracks was also assuming the Barracks was South of the Beach Camp, and that was their basis for the NW. If Kate's map is correct then the Temple is SE of the Barracks. See [2] and [3] <--- points 3 and 6 on location are mine. --Hugo815 01:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, the wonderful and obscure complexity of "Lost". That's part of why I love the show; the more you know, the more you realize how unclear things are. This is also why I love the whole "wiki" thing; there is so much accountability, that the information becomes both in depth and reliable. Thanks for the good catch. Zholmboe 03:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)zholmboe

Hi, and thanks for the talk message. First, allow me to say that my message to Talk:The Temple was not meant as "flagellation" of you or your edit, but rather as a polite explanation of the reversion, which I thought you were (and everybody was) owed since it was clearly a major edit that you had put a lot of thought into. It's just good wiki-etiquette when challenging a major change to make some note of it to present the rationale--it helps prevent a revert war by taking the dispute into discussion where things can be cleared up and consensus can be reached. Second, for future reference, it's kind of a no-no to delete talk discussions, unless they're put in an inappropriate place/they're not germane to the thread. Oh, and welcome to Lostpedia and happy ediitng! Robert K S (talk) 14:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I am sure it can be difficult to communicate the cultural normalcies of a community like this, where we all depend on each other so much, but also get such limited interaction. I appreciate the time you took to help share it with me. On some level, I think I was simply embarrassed that my well intentioned edit resulted in me and my error being the topic of conversation on a discussion page. Zholmboe 14:59, 4 March 2009 (UTC)zholmboe

Re: Talk:Four-toed statue, please don't forget to sign each time you post a talk page message. Just type four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your message. Robert K S (talk) 09:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: What about this scenario? Edit

I've looked it over, and it's hard to comment because so many things are relative and open to interpretation. My view is that we know the Barracks is close to the Ocean on one side because of the 3x01 Barracks overhead for example and Ben's Temple map. Ben's Radio Tower map has the Barracks surrounded by land but we can't see one side, so the ocean must be there. So the only layout I can see is that in your shot the beach camp is actually opposite the way the camera is pointing. I've watched the scene many times and I've come to believe that the pillar of smoke you have as the crash site(fuselage) is actually the engine that you can see flying off the wing leaving a trail of black smoke, the cockpit/fuselage would then in that scene be flying overhead of the Barracks outside the shot. --Hugo815 16:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Any idea what the large bay in Ben's Map to the Temple would be? Zholmboe 18:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)zholmboe

It seems too large and far away to be the submarine lake. I would say it's either an insignificant feature or it's where Rousseau and her team wreaked as seen on her overhead map. --Hugo815 18:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Hieroglyphs Table Edit

Hey thanks for telling me about that. There was one link that got messed up which I fixed but I didn't look at the rest. I think it's because I copy/pasted the table code to a text editor and then back to here so possibly something from that messed up the formatting. Anyway, I'll be more careful when I edit next time. Thanks! :) -- [Talk] 04:54, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Tawaret Edit

Thanks for the compliment on the Tawaret thing. I've been thinking a lot about the list of gods that the statue might be, but I'm much better at seeing flaws in other people's theories than making my own! Peace to you.Aaronimo 20:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Identity of the statue Edit

I just posted a blog article about Jacob and Richard, and I've come to a theory: The statue is Jacob, a Hyksos king driven from Egypt at the end of the 2nd Intermediate Period. Oh, and something I didn't mention - the name Jacob in Hebrew is a word-play on the related word "heel." A heel is not a four-toed foot, but... Hey! I think I'll add that to the blog post. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aaronimo (talk • contribs) 2009-03-12T11:53:10.

Merging discussions Edit

Probably any material discussions should be merged. Obviously discussions about the merge would only be confusing to merge. Those discussions that pertain to article content that has since been transfered over can be copied over onto the merged talk page. There is no hard and fast requirement/obligation. Robert K S (talk) 16:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

images + island map Edit

I was looking at those images you uploaded for your user page, quite interesting.. Ben's comments seem odd though. 0.5 miles? Didn't several characters say Hydra island was 2 miles from the main one? I don't think Hydra island can be where you placed it on that map though, the producers said one of the smaller islands you can see on Rousseau's map is the Hydra Island. All those are in the South or East. Something you might want to check into .. on Ben's radio tower map there seems to be a small black rectangular shape on the bottom of the map (opposite side from beach camp) could this be the dock Ben is talking about? You can see it when Ben is telling Richard to head to the Temple. Also I never noticed the shot you have of the Temple map. I'll have to fire up my blu-ray and get some SS of that. Thanks. :) --Hugo815 17:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Check out the March 26 2007 podcast for the bit about the Hydra. I have many SS of Rousseau's map, and in a clearer shot there doesn't seem to be any smaller island to the North. I'll try and get that shot of the Temple map for you but my blu-ray software (Cyberlink) doesn't allow frame-by-frame so getting a quick shot like that could be difficult. --Hugo815 19:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the arrow pointing on that image but there are several on that map, such as this one [4]. There is one scene in S1 that shows the top of the map clearly, and there doesn't seem to be anything but writing up there. Overall I'm pretty confident that Hydra is where most people think it is, only there is also good evidence that Rousseau's North is wrong and the Beach Camp is actually on the top of the map. --Hugo815 18:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Hieroglyphs Edit

I appreciate all the hard work you and others have done with the Hieroglyphs page. I am a rather newby at coding and have a hard time editing. I do ask lots of question and appreciate all the wonderful people here. But I notice how much you straightened out this page and it looks awesome. Just wanted to say thanks. --kansasgal71 22:00, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Glad to hear I am not the only one who has become completely obsessed with Hieroglyphs! Went to Vegas a couple of weeks ago and had to spend a few HOURS at the Luxor in an attempt to translate the hieroglyphs!! My husband does think I am crazy. But thankfully he is also a fan of Lost. --kansasgal71 18:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I just came across a very interesting website. The Egyptian Scribe. He is an Egyptologist with lots of great information about Hieroglyphs. [5] [6]--kansasgal71 02:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with your interpretations of the hieroglyphs. Once again.. very impressive. I wont make any changes, but if I should run across anything else that will help will post the link. Besides, I have not yet seen anything I don't agree with!! --kansasgal71 00:01, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Found another interesting tidbit of information for you... About the inverted hieroglyphs and pretty much everything else we have seen inverted (Buddah). [7] In this Scribd article.. look up the word inverted and you will find this... "Such metaphysical concepts as the immortality of the soul, rebirth and reincarnation are also more fully grasped by the means of the notion of reciprocity. To the Egyptians, the netherworld to which the soul proceeded after death was called "The Inverted World" the Duat. The progression of inverse (reciprocal) elements supplies a mental basis for the notion of perpetual interchange through reversal."--kansasgal71 19:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Here is some more help for deciphering the hieroglyphs. Let me know what you think... just scroll down a bit.. http://www2.ida.net/graphics/shirtail/tarot.htm [8] --kansasgal71 00:44, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Impressive!! Cannot believe how much you have completed in the last couple of days. Hope the links I gave helped. Love what you have done with the Glyph Chart. I would like to see the transliteration next to the symbols. I would not mind helping with this if you wish. I am unsure... but think D58-D59 should be D58-R15 or R15-D58. Similar to what you see here. [9][10] Please let me know how it is going.. --kansasgal71 00:14, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Papyrus of Ani has the most information when it comes to cursive hieroglyphs. There are many more artifacts with cursive hieroglyphs, but none as documented and researched as the Papyrus of Ani. But I will look and see if I can come up with anything. Dont let the decipherment of the hieroglyphs frustrate you. I myself am a beginner. I spent all last summer on my laptop while watching the kids play in the pool teaching myself and researching. Speaking of which, my laptop is down.. again.. And it is pool time. But I will get it fixed soon. Until then I am back on my old slow desktop. So forgive me if I am slow in response. I am currently in a battle with the warranty company over my laptop. It has been going on for almost a year. Heck I could fix it, but it would void the warranty. I have sent it in to them 5 times to be fixed. About to give up and just fix it myself. Until then, this is an interesting old book about hieroglyphs to flip through. http://www.archive.org/stream/egyptianhierogly01budguoft [11]--kansasgal71 15:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I ran across a book that might help. Ancient Egypt by George Gliddon [12] Egyptian Dreams [13]is a good message board to scan. --kansasgal71 20:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Check this out... http://www.flickr.com/photos/mightyjc/17687093/[14] Looks very similar to our columns. It is a photo at flickr so I am trying to find out exactly what it is and if there is any decipherment. --kansasgal71 02:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

If you look here at the Famine Stele [15] 5th column in and just a little bit down, you will see the use of two different styles of hieroglyphic script. The owl in normal hierolyphic and then in cursive. [16]"The MTHAY stone is more interesting to discuss. This name seems to contain the root of the word MAT which means granite. Harris (p.72) agrees with Barguet when he notes that it is strange that granite is not otherwise mentioned in the text. Since it was the most typical stone of this region, it is therefore the more likely that this remarkable form of writing conceals MAT, i.e. granite. However, except for the peculiar hieroglyphic orthography which occurs in the Famine Stele, the referenced writings for granite always contain the same hieroglyph, the sickle MA, with different adjectives. In col. 15, the letter ME is not the sickle, but a denuded bird, without wings and feathers. This way of writing the letter ME is to be found in the word MUT, to kill himself. The word METH also means to die. On the other hand, the granite MAT is often written with the ideogram heart, life, suggesting the idea of living granite. Assuming that the writer of the Famine Stele wanted to stress, in a condense form, that the granite is a weathered, loose, disaggregated material found in some geological outcrops, he could have tried to emphasize the idea of dead granite." Does this mean that the glyphs that are wrote in different script will mean different things, or that it is not abnormal to use two different scripts??--kansasgal71 18:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Sick of me yet? You seem to be the only other person I can find that is as obsessed about deciphering the hieroglyphs as I am! I think I found out why the F31 hieroglyph is upside down. First of all it is a whisk of three fox-skins.

http://prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/eros_in_egypt.htm [17] "There is a final indicator of imminent intercourse, one that is rarely mentioned even by commentators who think that the scene refers to intercourse and the deceased's rebirth. Over his left shoulder, Mereruka holds a large fly whisk made of three fox skins tied together. The whisk forms the hieroglyph for "(re)birth" or "to be (re)born." This is almost certainly not accidental; it suggests that the scene represents the prelude to the sexual union necessary for Mereruka's rebirth."--kansasgal71 23:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Check out this blog. Looks like someone had some behind the scenes peaks at the hieroglyphs in Smokies Lair.. http://skulboy6.blogspot.com/2009/04/temple-of-smoke-monster.html [18]--kansasgal71 23:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I really wish there was a way for people to recognize the hard work you have put into the Hieroglyphs. Until you actually sit down and transliterate yourself, it is impossible to know how hard and time consuming it is. In one of my favorite blogs, the hieroglyphs YOU have posted were mentioned and used in his transliteration. CHEERS for doing so awesome!! [19] --kansasgal71 04:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Did not know when you would check your email, and thought this was important... Skulboy posted in his blog that one of the glyphs is a skull.. [20] --kansasgal71 19:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Foot/statue merge Edit

I really think this was a bad merge as it was based on non-canonical information (the enhanced episode), and that opens up a whole can of worms that really shouldn't be opened here (i.e. the use of non-canonical sources). Jinxmchue 02:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Moving pages Edit

Please do not move pages/talk pages. This is something that can only be done by sysops. Otherwise, the page history is not transferred with the page. Thanks. -- CTS Talk Contribs 01:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

No that's okay -- I moved the page for you. Thanks

-- CTS Talk Contribs 01:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, How's it going? Edit

Hi Z, long time no see :) Haven't been on in awhile, nice to see you're still working on collecting all the clues re. the Island map. Have you thought about creating your own complete map at all yet? --Hugo815 18:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Previews are spoilers, and that's in the policy. Edit

LP:SP. Robert K S tell me 00:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Moving pages Edit

Great job in cleaning up that page. Instead of making it a disambig page, you can have subet links that link the main theories page with the sub-theory pages. For example, typing {{Main|Four-toed statue/Theories/Origin}} will give you:

Main article: Four-toed statue/Theories/Origin

Then underneath the main headers you can give a brief synopsis of the theories, and then the links will link to the sub-theory pages. -- CTS Talk Contribs 02:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. User:NEVERGIVEUP, User:Managerpants, and i have been really trying to clean-up theory pages, as the majority of them have fallen into a discussion. Be sure to add any that you see to the "Theory Cleanup" category so we can all start taking a chunk out of the work that has to be done. Thanks.-- Roobydo talk contribs 13:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Good. Sometimes people get pretty irate about their theories being deleted, without regard for policy. I've found the best thing to do is just let it go for a week or so, then come back after it's cooled down. Especially for new articles, like new episodes and new discoveries. Keep up the good work.-- Roobydo talk contribs 17:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Podcast Link Edit

One way to do it is to look at the page source for http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast, but an easier way is to go to http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcastRSS?feedPublishKey=3421&type=itunes. The links are all there. --Relayr82 21:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

RE:Profanity Edit

The policy that we currently have already prohibits profanity on the wiki (all Wikia wikis adhere by Google AdSense rules, which prohibits profanity). Mindf*ck is an exception to this (partly because it is bowlderized/censored). There was a colossal debate regarding this when I nominated the article Mindfuck for deletion (see here). Rather than being deleted, the consensus was to merge it and censor it as well. I have never considered Mindf*ck a literary technique (I've always thought it was just some lame attempt to get the word "f*ck" on the wiki). Having said that, I'm pretty sure our current policy prohibits any uncensored profanity on the wiki. -- CTS Talk Contribs 22:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Well since there is not a gauge for "excessive" profanity, the rule is that NO profanity is tolerated (if we allow some profanity on the wiki, then sooner or later there will be excessive profanity). Therefore, our policy does prohibit profanity. As for the mindf*ck, I think having the asterisk is better than not having the asterisk at all -- I'd rather have it gone altogether, but there will always be those who will argue it is acceptable from a literary standard. -- CTS Talk Contribs 23:42, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Tapestry hieroglyphs Edit

Can you improve the hieroglyphs section on Jacob's tapestry? Presumably you have seen this image, which is better than the one that appears on your user page. [21] Robert K S tell me 06:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Maps, hieroglyphs and the tapestry Edit

I just came across the work you're doing on your user page. It's outstanding!--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 17:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey I'm a big fan of your work too! Can you translate the glyphs from the Mysteries Of The Universe ad??? --Nickb123 (Talk) 16:58, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

That's so awesome, thanks! Glad we have a good hieroglyph expert on Lostpedia! By the way, I wondered whether you might be interested in this, after having seen your userpage. The map is soon to be up for sale along with a load of other LOST merchandise, but a special advance preview of the kind of items up for grabs was shown at Comic-Con this year. It is very interesting to see the full map... though unfortunately the notations are difficult to read. If I find a better quality image, I'll let you know. Best wishes, --Nickb123 (Talk) 19:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, mais oui: [22], [23], [24]. --Nickb123 (Talk) 19:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Pleasure. You might also find the following interesting: [25]. We worked pretty hard on it, let me know if you find conflicting translations, etc. --Nickb123 (Talk) 20:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Temple plans glyphsEdit

Hey dude, have you seen this? DamonCarltonAndAPolarBear.com - there's some glyphs revealed here, it's incredibly tough to make em out though. Thought it might interest you. Best wishes, --Nickb123 (Talk) 13:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your work! Edit

KansasGal71 on the Fuselage told us about the work the two of you have done on the hieroglyphs. I just wanted to say thanks!

Blu-ray hieroglyphics Edit

Thanks for providing the full sequence of glyphs and proper translation! I had no idea they were on the LU website. Where on the site can I find them?--Baker1000 00:41, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

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