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WCFrancis

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January 1, 2006

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Welcome

Since it's mine, I'll make some requests. (no, I did not say "rules", but it is up to me, within limitations.)

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  • If there is any doubt about your meaning, I'll ask for clarification on your User talk.
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  • You may note I like to keep both sides of exchanges here. I realize not everybody does this, but I like having the continuity of a discussion right in front of me.
  • I may also use this space for commentary.
  • I may put old (signed) messages in linked archives at my discretion.
WCFrancis Updated 00:29, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


Episode notes

Test

I often test things with something labeled or titled test. Like this:

This is a test.
This is only a test.
Do Not Panic

We now return you to the regularly scheduled talk page in progress.

WCFrancis 15:07, 1 January 2006 (PST)

The Numbers

Thenumbers

I feel that the inclusion of lists of the numbers, referencing back to a page for each one is overkill and in some cases ascribes meaning where there is none. WCFrancis 00:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Speculations page

  • Hi, I was browsing through your Speculations page, and had some answers, and some not.
    1. Canon: Regarding canonicity policy or definition, see Lostpedia:Canon, and its talk page for discussion. I believe in the past, we have noted that trailers and sneak peeks are produced by ABC's marketing department, and therefore could be misleading, and not considered canonical in the sense of content from the creators/producers/writers of Lost (aka TPTB; "the powers that be"). Similarly, other content released in the past by ABC's marketing dep't (e.g. Janelle's diary) is not considered strongly canonical, but peripheral content from the creators such as the enhanced episodes is. However please refer to the Canon definition article which clearly states the purpose of defining canonicity at Lostpedia, which is to resolve conflicting content from different sources, rather than being a final arbiter of the official fictional universe.
    2. Spoilers: Please refer to Lostpedia:Spoiler policy, esp. the section "Information related to upcoming episodes". In general official ABC content of upcoming episodes in the form of sneak peek, promo, trailer, press release etc. is not to be encyclopedically archived here at Lostpedia. It definitely does not belong on your main userpage or talk page.
    3. Userspace "stealth page": Hiding spoilers deeper down in your userspace is also technically against policy (see listing of wiki spaces at Spoiler#Spoilers_on_Lostpedia. Such content could be stumbled upon by users browsing the recent changes list. If you wish to discuss this sort of content, see forums here.
IMO it seems like your questions were somewhat rhetorical and light-hearted in nature, but in case you really wanted to have some more information, hopefully these project article resources help. -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk  05:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

My reply

You noted, among other things: "...IMO it seems like your questions were somewhat rhetorical and light-hearted in nature...". You were absolutely correct. You may have noticed that there were no spoilers but I did have a link to the ABC LOST site. Although I wasn't looking for a response, I appreciate your comments, which mostly agreed with the conclusions I had already drawn. Good point on trailers etc. being from marketing.

I have tagged the sub-page for deletion. Thanks. WCFrancis 08:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
I really don't need the page, so it can go. Thanks. WCFrancis 08:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Last Happy Moments

Hurley on the beach - last moment of joy for him was doing cannonball (episode 04-01 Beginning of the end.) When offered "upgrade" by Abbadon, Hurley says "Don't want to see the ocean."

I suspect this is a trope that is repeated for most if not all major characters. WCFrancis 17:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Or will be. WCFrancis 20:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Chess Rules

In chess the goal is to capture the King, but the King can not be killed. The team was after Ben - does he represent the King of the island faction, while Widmore is the other King (Ben admits that he cannot kill Widmore). Of course it can be said that the end of the game is the inevitable death of the King as the term "Checkmate" is derived from "Shah Mat", meaning "the King is dead". This is now designated wcf pointless analysis # 4.

Two Copters?

There was barely room for one helicopter on the freighter. So how did Naomi get to the island? Did her copter really crash or was she brought there to check out the island and Frank faked the crash under orders from Widmore/Keamy? Is this a plot point or just a problem due to what was available for filming?

In The Constant there are two copter pads. However, when the copter lands on the aft pad the tail extends out over the fantail. I suspect that there were supposed to be two copters and one did crash. Even though it appears that the forward pad might not have enough clearance for the tail of the copter facing forward. No plot point, just another limitation of an available set.


In Meet Kevin Johnson there is only one helicopter seen on deck when Frank and Michael are talking about Oceanic 815. Its more likely that it was a limitation of available set like said above.--Deucedub17 23:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I was replying to a topic on your page but i guess you deleted it before I could finish it. Sorry.--Deucedub17 23:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
No problems. I'm watching the episodes and making notes as I go. And earlier notes that were based on faulty memory or other confusion may go away. WCFrancis 23:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC) I have restored my earlier comments so all this will make sense. WCFrancis 00:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Dialogue between Naomi and Frank supports two copters, since Frank is arguing he should go first.WCFrancis 03:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I just realized another practical reason for not seeing the second copter; keeping production costs down. *grin* WCFrancis 08:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The Heading

It is totally outside the real world for the same heading to go both ways, although it has been clearly established. If you go 305° one way you would have to go 180° off of that, or 125° to go back. So, what does the heading mean? What kind of bizarre kink in space is turning back on itself to come and go? (and what about 325° from when Michael first left the Island?)

This was hinted at when Desmond tried to leave using the Elizabeth and found himself back at the Island regardless of the course he set.

Episode Titles are spoilers

Hello, please refer to LP:SP for the spoiler policy here. Episode titles of upcoming titles are not allowed (except for the immediately upcoming episode). Thanks. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 23:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry, I was not aware of the restriction on titles. Thanks for the edit. I thought nothing of including it since I got it from official podcast. It won't happen again. WCFrancis 23:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

The Prisoner

Mention of "Be seeing you" in the article Dead Is Dead reminds me.

I recently discovered an interview in which Carlton Cuse refers to The Prisoner, saying that he would have been satisfied to have a short series with similar impact to the 17 episode series.

There is also evidence in The Prisoner that the Village was able to change geographical location similar to the Island. One episode has the Village near Portugal, IIRC, and another in the Baltic, while the final episode "Fallout" has it located within a few hours driving distance of London.

Name for Jacob's nemesis

The name I think of for Jacob's nemesis is Loki - different pantheon, but I like the pun on the name Locke as well as the concept of the Trickster. And Loki is a shape shifter as well. WCFrancis 01:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Faraday's Journal

In the Episode The Variable when Daniel is at The Orchid, the journal shows visible evidence that a page has been torn out. WCFrancis 21:12, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia: prop/continuity error - in Follow the Leader (and other episodes) the used journal has a plain cover, unlike the embossed cover on the prop for the new journal that was used in the restaurant when Eloise Hawking presented it to Daniel after the graduation cermoney WCFrancis 21:20, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Friendly Candidate

Actually, his last name was revealed. It's Friendly, so his full name is Tom Friendly. The Comic-Con memorial video gave us that, along with Karl Martin, Alex Rousseau and Libby Smith. --Golden Monkey 23:21, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the Comic Con memorial video. Is that canon? It just seems jarring that a nickname (based on his demeanor) would turn out to really be his name. WCFrancis 23:42, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it is kinda odd, but far as we know it's canon since it was made by ABC. Plus the last name for Karl appears on the cave wall, so presumably it just never made it on screen while these characters were alive. --Golden Monkey 23:44, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Philosopher's Quote

"Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster;and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes into you."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

New Favorite Line for LOST: in What They Died For: Spoiler if you haven't seen this episode yet

"And I thought that guy had a God complex before."
—— James "Sawyer" Ford, about Jack.

WCFrancis 12:13, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

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