Contents 1 2007/1977 happening at the same time? 2 Charlotte 3 Burning bodies theory 4 Randy

2007/1977 happening at the same time? Edit

Wanted to discuss this with you. On The Incident, Parts 1 & 2/Theories#Whatever Happened, Happened: Con, you stated (seemingly as fact) that the events we are seeing in 2007 and 1977 are not happening concurrently. At one time I agreed with you about this point for the same reasons you state, about it just being a dramatization by the writers. Then, I read a good argument for the fact that they are going on at the same time (specifically since Ajira 316 landed on the island). I wanted to get your thoughts on this, as I am still undecided. When Locke turns the FDW and the final time flash leaves Sawyer, Miles, etc in 1974, time still moves as normal for Jack, Kate, etc. who have been rescued and are now off-island. They then spend 3 years off-island before returning on Ajira 316. We know that the events in DHARMA time are currently in 1977, which is 3 years from when they (Sawyer, Juliet, etc) arrived in 1974. Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid are also now in 1977. In both instances, 3 years have passed even though they are in different time periods. So, following that logic...... Sawyer's 1975(on-island) was Jack's 2005 (off-island), Sawyer's 1976 was Jack's 2006, Saywer's 1977 was Jack's 2007....... then they meet up in 1977, with Sun, Ben, Locke/Nemesis in 2007. While they are in 2 different time periods, because of the time travel they are happening at the same time to the characters. Does that make sense? What do you think? If you don't mind, leave your thoughts on my talk page. Thanks, - NEVERGIVEUP  Contribs  Talk  13:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, your comments under the "Pro" section were to wordy for a theory page and contained a lot of questions and discussion which isn't for a theory page. I re-worded it for now and removed some of the discussion on the theory page. I have put your comments in their entirity on the talk page for that episode. That way if you don't like how I re-posted it, you can feel free to edit it yourself and move it back to the theory page. Just make sure to do so in accordance with LP:TP. Thanks, and I look forward to your comments from the above post. - NEVERGIVEUP  Contribs  Talk  14:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that, I've been reading Lostpedia since Season 2 but I only recently decided to start contributing, so I'm learning all the basics now. Your edit is okay, although I wanted to address the variable being jack or juliet theories by others, but I will now post the entire thing on my page. I'm probably gonna add things due to the Comic-Con videos.Bwanar 15:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Feel free to re-do it in accordance with LP:TP. Also, what are you thoughts on my initial comment above? - NEVERGIVEUP  Contribs  Talk  15:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

(1st of all, I didn't write the comments you were replying to and I disagree with them.) I like your 1st point about there being a 30 year time jump for both Sawyer, Juliet, etc and Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid. You make a great point about Eloise comments about how they have to be on that specific flight. It makes a lot of sense that she knew they only had a couple of days to get back to the island before "The Incident". It also could have been that Jack, Sayid or someone else told her the flight/date they came on, and she knew it that way.

I agree with you that D&C's comment in Lost: A Journey in Time was weird. Personally, I'd written it off as Sun, Ben, Locke didn't travel back to 1977 because that was what always happened. Their comment about it happening because they were not able to fully recreate flight 815, leads you to believe that it could have happened differently. If they'd left it alone, I would have never really wondered. I'm of the mind that there is some kind of "higher power" at work (other than Jacob... maybe the island itself) making all of these things happen according to what it will's. Maybe Jacob is even working for that "higher power".

I think the only reason this could become important, comes from Faraday's conversation with Desmond, and then Desmond remembering it. I don't quite understand how that happened. I'm sure they answer is "he's special" but what does that really mean? I can say that even if you look at the timelines as side by side, and say that is why Desmond remembered his conv. with Faraday when he did.... that still doesn't add up. As far as that conv. goes, it happened within hours (days at most) of the start of the time skips. Desmond concurrent time off-island would have been in the raft waiting to be rescued, or on Penny's boat with the other survivors. Not when he was on his boat with Penny and Charlie. Thanks for your thoughts.

Oh yeah, if you haven't watched the video's from ComicCon#2009 yet, you should do so. They give a little insite into Season 6. I didn't want to mention them here, incase you don't want to be spoiled. - NEVERGIVEUP  Contribs  Talk  13:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

To create your autosig you can go here and it gives you a step by step way to do it. Ok, I think the video's were just a joke for the fans. But, if they weren't... Jack didn't necessarily change the events that lead up to them getting on the flight, he just changed any affects that The Swan might have had on them getting on the flight. Like, Kate's timeline could have changed as she had a connection to The Swan off island (ie: Kelvin Inman from the Swan worked with Sayid and Kate's stepdad in the Gulf War) prior to her arrival there. If the Swan was never built, Kelvin never worked for the DI. Somehow since Kelvin's timeline changed, it caused Kate's stepdad's to change which caused her's to change. Likewise with Sayid. Again, I think the ComicCon videos were a joke (like last years video of Chang and Daniel), but if not it could be a result of "coarse correction" that still brings them all to the island in some other way. After all, it's their destiny right? - NEVERGIVEUP  Contribs  Talk  20:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Charlotte Edit

I get your point. While I do agree that because most of the LP members think that Charlotte was born on the Island it's safe to write it in her Trivia section, I think that this should be discussed on her talk page. I'll set a "Discussion" banner and after a consensus is reached it will be decided whether to change her trivia section or change all the other articles stating her birth on the Island. Also Charlotte is at least three-four years older than Miles (she was able to walk when LaFleur's group arrived in DHARMA) and seeing as Miles (who spent few months after birth and about a week on the Island as part of the freighter crew) got nosebleeds only days after Charlotte started having them, I see no problem in the fact that she died of temporal displacement. I would like to see your arguments on the discussion bout Charlotte's birth though. --Orhan94 17:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Burning bodies theory Edit

I just read your burning bodies theory here and I think you make some good points. I thought is was coincidence for a while but you may be onto something. Just wanted to say good thinking. Oh yeah, I did move it to the bottom of the page thought, as that is where new posting go. - NEVERGIVEUP  Contribs  Talk  01:38, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you liked it; I wasn't even sure did it belong on that theory page, but that episode got me thinking, especially the way Jacob lit up so fast and weird. I'm not sure if that was purposeful or just bad effects. The cabin burning was definitely a hint though.Bwanar^talk|contrib 03:07, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Randy Edit

My apologies! The "noble" Randy appears in two different flashback segments. I only looked at the first one. The transcript, btw, reads "I cruised your file..." Your version ("perused") makes more sense. The transcript may be off...--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:18, January 10, 2010 (UTC)