Jacob is not dead

It's not 08'. He's released in 07'. The plane took off in 07'. Common mistake.

I'll have to re-check the timeline AND see if there's any inference to a date of Hurley's release. AH, maybe we can read the date ohn the release paperwork the guard picks up and shows Hurley. I'll check that.

Any way, We know the passangers of Flt 316 went back in time (some further than others). Therefore, I suppose Jacob could have flashed himself forward in time to meet Hurley and then gone back in time to the statue??? I like my scenerio better. And Jacob is still alive....

how do we know that ajira landed in 2007

Well, to answer Sawyerlookslikepaul... I've copied verbatim what's on the opening page of the Lostpedia Timeline. In January of 2008, Ajira Airways Flight 316 departed from LAX in Los Angeles, California bound for Guam, a U. S. territory in the western Pacific. Ten hours into the flight, the airplane began to experience heavy turbulence and a flash of bright light engulfed the plane sending them back in time, some to 2007, some to 1977. The pilot Lapidus then guided the plane to an emergency crash landing onto Hydra Island runway in the Pacific Ocean.

Post-return timeline, chronology of events on the Island after Ajira Airways Flight 316 lands. This follows events both in 1977 and 2007, as depicted in the later half of Season 5.

And I agree with LostFreak408SJ. One way or another, it was just way too easy for Jacob to just die the way it happened. I also agree with EllieBellie. That the loophole was blown when UnLocke pushed an undead Jacob into the fire. Although that might not be what the writers wanted us to believe. I mean, maybe he was supposed to really be dead from the stabbing and it was just poor acting????

yea tell me an episode when it is shown that they leave in 2008 and land in 2007.

in the recap Ben said they left in 08 and landed in 07 if my memory serves me correctly!

We're told several times when the title cards show "30 Years Ago" and "30 Years Later", with the knowledge that some are in 1977. What more proof do you need? Unfortunately, Locke won't turn to the screen and say "we traveled back in time one year" for those who miss the title cards.

Come on, the plane DID NOT travel back in time, at least not more than a few hours (like the helicopter did in "The Constant"). Richard says it's been three years since Locke disappeared, which suggests a late 2007/early 2008 date. 3 years doesn't necessarily mean 3 years 0 months 0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 0 seconds. It can be 2 years and 10 months or 3 years and 2 months.

You missed the point of Jacob's death.

Since season one, his ennemy tries to kill him. He finally did it, we'll see why, and what that brings, but i'm sure Jacob will never be the same.

He's been able to throw him into the fire because he was dying.

Don't forget the "they're coming" thing. I think we'll see more flashback of Jacob, or some appearance to Jack maybe, but he lost, the loophole worked. (It would be totally lame if it didn't)

There's no reason to say the plane went back in time a year. To believe that would be taking the "Thirty Years Later" a little too literally. Assuming it wasn't even the beginning of 1977, it would mean the plane went back in time a couple months, which would be an unnecessary wrinkle to the story. Thirty Years Later from late 1977 is late 2007/early 2008.

During "The Constant" we see that the date is December 24, 2004. It took them about a week to get back, so they are rescued right around the new year. Jack and the Oceanic Six are rescued for three years so they return on the flight at the end of 2007/January 2008.

Sawyer and the others go back in time to 1974 and three years elapse with them in Dharmatown, so they are in 1977. Its more reasonable to assume that they are in fall/winter of 1977 and instead of saying "Thirty Years, 2 months, and 7 days later" to get to December 2007/January 2008, they rounded off to 30 years which puts them in the right time frame. The Ajira Flight did not go more than a couple hours back in time, just like the helicopter.

"During "The Constant" we see that the date is December 24, 2004. It took them about a week to get back, so they are rescued right around the new year. Jack and the Oceanic Six are rescued for three years so they return on the flight at the end of 2007/January 2008."

The "date of rescue"...meaning the date they were picked up on the island they sailed to after Penny found them...was Jan 8 2008 (108 days after they crashed....also putting the date they were "rescued" at "1-08-08")

And I'm sorry, it was more than "a couple hours", it was a whole day for a 20 minute helicopter flight. That's a major time discrepancy to me. If we're willing to accept all that we were definitively shown as far as the payload and the doc washing up on the beach, isn't it at least *possible* 316 went from 2008 to 2007 until we're shown otherwise either way? And doesn't the recap count for anything where we *were* told that 316 went from 2008 to 2007?

It's amazing how people can't see it. They left on Ajira in 2008 because it had been 3 years since their rescue in early 05. There was a time flash that EVERYONE experienced. For EVERYONE, it changed from night to day. But for some, the change was from 2008 to 1977. And then the show tells 2 simultaneous stories by telling us 30 years ago and 30 years later. Why is this so hard for people to comprehend? They wouldn't say 30 years ago/later if it was actually 31 years, or 30 years and 2 months. So far in Lost, whenever a subtitle has indicated time, it has been completely accurate (see '3 Minutes' and 'The Brig') so seeing as the show so far has been accurate with their subtitles, 1977 plus 30 equals 2007. Could this be any clearer?

Well, Thanks everyone for the input. The debate will rage on until Jan, 2010. I really do like Ber418's theory. And it is just a theory. They'll be making a 2 year trek in time forward to the real present time. As I've heard from other blogs, it'll be a terrific finale' to season 6 !!!

I do not think that Jacob is dead.

For the first, it woulb be just to quick and to easy. I know: this isn't a valid argument, but there are more.

Like it was said: although the plane 316 left in 2008 it "landed" in 2007. That really has to be true; not for the least because the not-John said to Richard Alprecht what he has to say to the "real" John, meaning the real-John was still alive which means they had to be on the Island earlier than 2008, because Locke is dead. I hope you can follow me.

And: It usually is possible to survive two stings with a knife. And since Jacob's Enemy can't kill him Jacom shouldn't die in the fire. I think that Jacob didn't mean that his Enemy hadn't the "force" or would be hindered in killing him, but simply that whatever he did, it would be unsuccesfull like Michael, who couldn't commit suicide.

I think Jacob will have a major role in the last season. He seems to be the only person who knows everything, since Ben was lying all the time and Richard seems to know mutch but far from everything.

I know I write very confusing; have to practise my English, but I hope you could follow me ;).