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Just Sayin' September 30, 2010

As some of you are aware, I've been a Beta Tester for the New Look wiki for the past month. A group of over 400 users, from various wikis have been testing the "new look" and providing feedback for improvements during this timeframe.

Beta Testers have been getting consistent responsive updates from the wiki staff regarding our feedback and what is and is not possible now and in the future and why. Keep in mind the New Look as it is now, is the foundation from which we will together build a new, contemporary and more efficient environment for Lostpedia and other groups in the wiki world. So even when the new look is released for all of us, there is still opportunity to evolve the look and feel of our new environment.

After hearing some positive, negative and sometimes inaccurate feedback about this change, I thought it might be a good idea for me post this blog for all of you.

1. Posted here will be the most current, accurate information about the New Look wiki that will be introduced soon.
2. Links and updates will also be posted as they become available. Some links will give you the chance to experience the New Look Wiki, before it's introduction.
3. This blog will give you the chance to ask your questions, provide feedback and get responses to your comments.

Remember, we are making this change together and you are part of the process as we evolve the new look to work for us on Lostpedia. Your comments are always welcome, positive, negative, and inbetween. Just be nice when giving the negative opportunities for improvement. The more effectively we communicate, the better chance we have of creating an environment that works for us. This does not mean, we will get everything we ask for, but I will do my best to communicate whatever information I can that explains why some changes may or may not be possible. Be sure to follow this blog and check back for any new links, answers to questions and new updates.

Thanks! --Just Sayin' JSTalk LBC LBCTalk eMail 12:01, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Contents

LinksEdit

NovemberEdit

Coming this week - Related pages and Category Galleries

OctoberEdit

New Look Roll Out - Meeting Place

New Look Roll Out - Phase II

Try Out the New Look

Beta Wrap-up

Monaco Instructions

Fixed Width, Sidebar, and the Removal of Monaco

SeptemberEdit

Wiki New Look Updates

Experience the New Wiki

Questions and Answers

More Q & A's
More Q & A's

New Look Transition Guide

Sneak Peek at the New Look - Themes

Theme Designer

Sneek Peek at the New Look Personal Toolbar

AugustEdit

Become a Wiki Beta Tester

Wikia's New Look FAQ

Your First Look at the New Wiki

Sneak Peek at the New Look - Community Activity

JulyEdit

Improvements to Commenting

Next Steps Toward a New Look

Paving the way to Wiki's Future

Lostpedia Questions and AnswersEdit

Questions AnsweredEdit

Q: I don't understand why Lostpedia has to change. Why can't we just keep this site as it is?

A: Answer provided in the Q & A link above.

Q: The fixed width seems too restictive and limiting, especially on the article pages. Can this be adjusted?

A: Answer provided the Q & A link above

Q: On the Test New Look Wikis, I noticed there is a comment section on the article pages. Is this an option?

A: The comment sections on the Test Wikis are not part of the New Look. The comment sections are optional and the test wikis have used this option for some time.

Q: Are the comments reversed, most recent to last, on the talk pages?

A: No, see Kermit the Frog's Talk Page.

Q: We don't like the Badges. How do we get rid of them?

A: You can provide your feedback about the Badges with Special:Contact. Also, you can remove the badges via your PREFERENCES options. Click the MISC tab and click the box for Hide my achievements on my user page when I visit it and don't notify me of earned badges.

Q: In the blogs, comments are in reverse order, most recent first. Will we have an option to reverse the order?

A: From Susan Taylor (Wiki Staff): We spent a lot of time reasoning out the sort order for comments and our team has decided that while this isn’t necessarily the way everyone prefers to read comments the best choice for the whole community is to show the newest comment first. In order to maintain a cleaner, simpler layout there will not be an option to change this sort order in the current release. Keep in mind, a future release may be able to handle this request. I'll keep you posted if an option later becomes available.
Additional comment from Susan Taylor: To keep conversations engaging and fresh, the default sort order for comments will now be newest first. This mirrors best practices commenting on many other sites around the web including Youtube, CNN.com and Blogger.

Q: Also in the blogs, there are pages for the comments. Will we have an option to have pages or one long string of comments?

A: From Susan Taylor: Large numbers of comments slow down page load times and keep content from appearing quickly. To keep pages running speedily we’ve added pagination to comments. Right now each page can contain 20 comments, and allows for an unlimited number of threaded replies. This explains the reason why this change was made. I'm not sure if it's possible to add the option, but I will keep you posted of any changes.

Q: I don't care too much about signatures myself, but does the new look reduce them to plain text? Or do Muppet Wiki users just not like signatures?

A: As a Beta Tester, my custom signature is working fine. Also, if you look closer at the Muppet link, you'll see there are a few custom signatures, although modestly done compared to some of we've seen.

Q: Is it possible to get a "Theory page" button link from the Main Article page?

A: Theory pages are unique to Lostpedia. Although a Theory tab is not possible with the New Look, we can design our own Theory Page link or utilize a header template from the Main Article page. Also, with the current beta test, I've noticed Theory pages can still be accessed by adding "/Theories" to the end of any Main Article name. ie. "Jack Shephard/Theories" or "Lost: Messages from the Island/Theories." This method can be used until we are able to establish Theory links or header template with the New Look. We may also want to decide if Theory pages are still needed for the main articles, since the series has concluded.

Q: So when this change happens, will we still have our trademark Ocean banner at the top with Ajira 316 taking off?

A: Yes, It's a full page of the same banner.

Q: Do we really need the contributing user name on images?

A: BalkOfFame has created a new Image Template that excludes the attribution feature.

Q: Is it possible to bring new replies and their respective thread to the top of the list, similar to new comments? OR When a user clicks a comment or reply link, take them directly to that comment/reply?

A: Yes, this feature is being worked on, and will return to blogs eventually.


Questions PendingEdit

New UpdatesEdit

  • Users will get the "New Look" sometime between October 6th and 20th.
  • Monaco skin will no longer be an option beginning November 3rd.

--REMEMBER TO CHECK BACK OFTEN FOR NEW UPDATES--

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  • FYI - Just posted a new link for NOVEMBER about some changes to take place this week.

    Specifically, Related pages and Category Galleries.

    These changes sound pretty good actually. Read the November link above, for more details. Thanks

  • The new skin Oasis is FUCKING TERRIBLE, pardon my french but this is true!

  • I haven't seen this problem addressed yet...

    When I go to the blog page, it is not the most recent page. I used to hit the refresh button on the wiki page to load the most current version. There doesn't seem to be a refresh button on the blog page with the new look. Or am I just blind?

    • There are a few ways you can refresh the blog.

      1. Click the SHOW ALL link - just above the comments on the right

      2. Click the COMMENTS link - at the top of the blog on the right

      3. Click the REFRESH icon for your browser -- depends on your browser where this is located. For IE9Beta, it's right next to the browser address box.

    • Thanks for the suggestions, but... I don't have a Show All or Comments link on the main blog page. Using the browser's refresh button never worked, it had to be the Lostpedia refresh link :-(

    • What browser are you using? It's very strange that I would have these links and you wouldn't.

      Are you talking about being inside a blog and refreshing the comments? OR

      Are you talking about refresing the main front page of the blogs? The WIKI ACTIVITY button will refresh the main front page of the blogs.

    • I'm actually talking about the main front page of the blogs. When I try Wiki Activity I get all recent activity, not just the blogs.

      Anyway, thanks for all your help.

    • OK I found out how to refresh the main blog page. There is a teeny tiny unlabeled circular arrow on the main blog page that serves the same function that the old "refresh" labeled button used to do.

    • Ok, I see what you're talking about now. You're using the Main Blog page, and I always use the Wiki Activity page, which for me is the Main Front page of the blogs . Seldom use the page you're referencing. Terminology differences were at play here, (mostly on my part) causing some of the confusion.

      Glad you found the button for refreshing.

  • Just a friendly reminder, that Monaco Skin will no longer be an option after today. They are anticipating the change to take place sometime after 10 am Poland time November 3rd.

    Usually, these changes take place a few wikiis at a time. So you can expect our wiki - Lostpedia to make this transition at some point today.

  • Wow, our last pending question received a response today.

    Pretty amazing that ALL of our posed questions were answered.

    Did I miss any?

  • Right, so my width is now officially fixed. It's not as bad as I thought it would be, but there are a few issues I have. It's obviously a little strange not having the sidebar menu, making the page look more centered than ever. That'll take some getting used to. I'm not sure why they could put the Recent Activity box on the left of the page instead of the right. The biggest problem I have right now is when you go down the page you're left with an unjustifiable amount of white space on the right. Why not let us have that for our text and mould it around the Recent Activity box? It makes it more cramped than it should be. When you edit a page, it lets you use the full width, what's up with that?

    One thing I am glad about is the search returning to the top like it was on the old Lostbook skin. And yes, I'm getting the skipping to the top of the page thing which has been mentioned. I'm assuming that will be fixed? Especially annoying when you click to expand a template at the bottom of the article and it takes you up to the top. I can live with this new layout I think, but I shouldn't have to. I should be allowed to use the full width of my screen. Screw the netbooks, you know? You buy a small laptop with a small screen you should expect a bit of trouble when trying to view the internet. At least there is a possibility of the width being modified.

    So images don't look as bad as I thought they would on articles. I expected the text to be like a column down the middle but I haven't seen that yet. Mind you I haven't looked around much yet. Something we could consider working on is the episode nav at the top of the episode articles. It's looking a little disfigured, but again, not as bad as I expected. It needs a little adjustment that's all.

    All in all, it's not as bad as I thought it would be, and I know it's early days yet so it could go either way. Good job I'm a glass half full guy.

    • Thanks for your comments Baker, really appreciate your thoughts and the time it took to place them here.

      Glad to hear it's not as bad as you originally thought it would be. We've been modifying a lot of the images with the new

      [[File:{{{I}}}|{{{w}}}px]]
      {{{c}}}
      Template that Balk created.  It seems to be working very well.  
      

      Totally agree with you on the wasted white spaces. Wish there would be a way to wrap into that space and use it.

      The sidebar menu is mostly at the top now and you also have the MY TOOLS options based on what you use most on the site. That's kind of cool, once you get used to it.

      We can bring the episode Navbox concern to Jaberwock7 or perhaps one of our creative users on Lostpedia would like to help redesign the box. Anyone interested?

  • As, you know, we've been pretty busy around here making some modifications on Lostpedia in anticipation of the New Look changes.

    • Balk has created a new Image template that addresses the "image attribution" issue.
    • He's also incorporated a link to "Theory" pages on the article pages
    • Not sure about this one, but I think, there's been some modifications to the info boxes? I do know there's been some concern about these. Do we need more changes in this regard?
    • Are there any other modifications we may want to consider and work on now?
  • Jabrwocky7 also has a blog on Lostpedia for any feedback regarding the New Look transition.

    Lostpedia Skin - New Look

  • I don't have the new look just yet. Will this width limit be coming in today? Not looking forward to that.

    • Here's what they said about today's release......

      Included in this release are many changes, including making the Wikia spotlights less prominent on the sidebar -- this will go live next week. In response to your feedback, we’ve also recently changed the font size, spacing and contrast to make the text more comfortable to read. Admins now have a way to exclude images from the photo gallery and to control the categories shown at the top of a page. There’s also been a ton of work done on site speed. Thanks to everyone who gave feedback on these and other aspects of the new look. We can’t include all your suggestions but it’s certainly been useful to hear your views.

    • Regarding the fixed width, they've been pretty firm about this, for now.

      What I've heard though, is that they are studying a lot of data, from various sources to determine if they are able to make any modifications in the future.

      I know that one of the reasons stated for going with fixed width is to address issues for users with netbook/smaller screens. There's been feedback from this group saying it's not working well for them. I suspect based on this information, they may make some modifications later. Only time will tell at this point.

      I encourage everyone to provide your feedback via the email link posted. They do appear to be handling several points that have been brought up via feedback.

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  • New Look - Phase II begins today. Please check this link (above) for any new update posts added by wiki staff.

    While all Monaco users will have the New Look as their default skin, keep in mind, you can still switch back to Monaco until November 3rd.

    Beginning November 3rd, the Monaco skin option will no longer be available and everyone will be on the New Look skin.

    You can make any suggestions or report any bugs at this email contact - Special:Contact

    My suggestion is to go ahead and get yourself familiar with the New Look now. If you have any questions, post them here and I'm sure one of us will be able to help.

    Thanks

  • Just posted above Answers to a couple of pending Questions.

    Also, posted above a link that gives more information about trying out the New Look.

    Remember, the New Look is optional until November 3rd. After this point, all users will be using the New Look format.

  • Jabrwocky7 has created a New Look blog. Lostpedia Skin - New Look

    Please post your comments regarding the New Look there as he needs this information to facilitate the modifications process with the New Look. Thanks

  • And character userboxes are ruined!!! the music things are missing and things like {{ }} Listen are showing...

    • For these situations, there are solutions possible. We just need to make some modifications in the formatting.

      Balk has already come up with some great solutions. I'm sure others, including Admins. here will know how to make these modifications. Giving the feedback will show them where their support is needed. Thanks

  • Ok, did your background just change? Mine did, and I believe it's the NEW Lostpedia background.

    What are your thoughts about this?

  • October 6, 2010

    * The new look will continue to be default for logged-out users on the beta wikis


    * All logged in users will be able to “switch on” the new look for themselves on any wiki they visit.

    ---You can do this via your PREFERENCES and the SKIN tab. Be sure to save your options.


    * All new wikis created will automatically use the new look.


    * Every wiki in the Wikia Lifestyle Hub will showcase the new look.


    For those of you choosing to use the New Look on Wednesday, October 6th, Please let us know your thoughts, by commenting here your impressions, ideas and suggestions. Thanks!

    • Today is the day, you can change to the "New Look" skin via PREFERENCES.

      Please let us know your impressions by commenting below. Thanks

    • Anyone try the new look skin yet?

    • I set it to "New Look". Nothing's changed yet.

    • Thanks for letting me know Balk. I noticed some minor changes, so I thought it had now become active for everyone.

      Silly Question: Did you remember to "save" after choosing the "new look" option. I know, you probably did, but had to ask, just in case.

    • Wasn't sure if I did. Tried it again, clicking save. No change.

    • Ok, all of you will need to let me know when it becomes active, as I won't know myself. I am anxious to hear your feedback and thoughts about the new look.

      Just remember, this is the beginning of the "new look", not the end. Your input is very important as the developer team look toward their next steps.

    • It has changed! And I HATE IT!!!!!!! GET RID OF IT!!!!!!!!

    • O Discordia.

      We'll rise up from these ashes in time. But to start with, could someone get an admin of the phone immediately? We need a theme. ASAP.

    • I changed it back to normal :) Is it optional? Cos then I'm happpy :)

    • What are your concerns?

      Yes, it's optional until Nov. 3rd. At that point Monaco will not be an option for the skin.

      My suggestion, is that you use the "new look," so you can see and use it's functionality to provide the feedback that's needed for potential modifications.

    • Please let me know what you are experiencing.

      There may be some bugs we need to report so they can be fixed.

      This is a transitional period and we need to communicate effectively to make it as smooth as possible.

    • I hate it because the articles are SO small and I am on a netbook so it is even smaller! It looks horrible, it is NOT lostpedia, and it is a major put off. It's so confusing to use because the search bar etc... is on the other side. There is NO shoutbox. It looks horrible (I know I already said but it needs to be emphasised) THERE IS NOTHING I LIKE ABOUT IT! It's just plain... crap. And it so stupid, confusing and I'm probs gonna leave because of it. -.-

    • And I don't care about fixing bugs, I just want the skin GONE!

    • You can change it temporarily via your preferences. But the reality is after Nov 3rd, the New Look is here to stay.

      WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS? Please be specific. Simply telling me you don't like it and want it gone is not helping me to help you.

    • I told you... the articles are small and squished, they look horrible, for people on netbooks (Like me) It is almost impossible to read because it is so small. The search bar on the opposite side is terrible and so confusing... those are my concerns.

    • Sorry, your explanation comment didn't show until after the "want the skin GONE" comment.

      Regarding the Shoutbox, they are working on an option for this feature. We're hopeful, this will return to wiki.

      Regarding, Fixed Width, this has been a major concern expressed by many. The developers are studying their options to meet everyone's concern to at least some degree. They have already made some modifications, but it's going to be some time for other changes and some changes might not be possible.

      REMEMBER, the new look is evolving from here to more improvements over time. The more you use it now, the better feedback we can provide for potential future improvements.

      JF2626, your feedback is important, because the new look is suppose to be better for netbook users, and you're telling me it's not working for you. This is a great example of the kind of feedback needed.

    • Or how about instead of them making it bad and then try to fix it to make it 'acceptable'

      Why don't they skip the 'bad' step, and keep it the same >.<

    • My background just changed to a stupid cloud, I can only see like half a cm of it all across the top bar...

    • Change is a part of life. It's not always easy, but it is a reality. Sometimes the best way to know what modifications are needed is to use the "live" version and allow users to give their feedback. Users give the best feedback vs. those not using wiki.

      My experience is they are working on listening to feedback given and will do whatever is possible to be responsive. Whatever, cannot be modified, they've given reasons for "why" it's not possible or if it's possible at a future time.

      We need to do our part, and use the new look and give honest, objective feedback for improvement. The New Look is not going away - HOW can we make it better for us on Lostpedia?

  • Balk has also created an image template that still allows for captions, without the attribution. If you want to see how this template works, take a look at The End.

    Let us know your thoughts about this new image template. Thanks Balk!

  • What are your thoughts regarding Theory pages for our main articles?

    Since the series has concluded, are Theory pages still needed?
    Do we still need a Theory page link from the main article?
    • I would say we still need theory pages, it's not like everything from the show was wrapped up in a nice neat little bow for us.

      There are still plenty of things can be theorized on without ever necessarily comming to the answer.

    • We can link to the theory pages pretty easily by adding a [[/Theory|Theories]] link into infoboxes.

    • Balk, Thank You for another great solution as we prepare for our New Look introduction. If anyone would like to see how Balk's suggestion works out, take a look at Everybody Loves Hugo. At the bottom of the infobox you will see a link for "Theories."

      Nice work Balk :-)

  • Your comments and suggestions are welcome....

  • So when this change happens, will we still have our trademark Ocean banner at the top with Ajira 316 taking off?

    • My understanding is that each wiki's sysops/adms will have the option of choosing and/or creating their wiki's theme.

      Also users will have a theme designer (I'll post a link) with template options and the option to customize their individual theme.

    • Apparently, the Theme Designer is just for Admins. to create the theme for their wikis.

      The way this was stated was confusing, thus the reason, I thought it would be a user tool as well. My apologies for the confusion.

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