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LBC - Watership Down by Richard Adams

Just Sayin' August 16, 2010

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Watership Down is a heroic fantasy novel about a small group of rabbits, written by English author Richard Adams.

In the Sandleford warren, Fiver, a young runt rabbit who is a seer, receives a frightening vision of his warren's imminent destruction. When he and his brother Hazel fail to convince their chief rabbit of the need to evacuate, they set out on their own with a small band of rabbits to search for a new home, barely eluding the Owsla, the warren's military caste.

Contents

LOST References Edit

  • Watership Down originally belonged to Boone, as he had it checked with his luggage on Flight 815. Kate finds the book by the beach with Sawyer's belongings, and he tells her, Hell of a book. It's about bunnies. Boone finds the book in Sawyer's luggage, leading him to believe that Sawyer has the rest of his luggage, including Shannon's asthma inhalers. Confidence Man
  • The book is seen on Sawyer's chest of drawers in the flash-sideways timeline. Recon
  • One of the chapters in the book is also named Dea Ex Machina (much like Deus Ex Machina), after the literary device used to unexpectedly untangle plot situations. In this case, Dea is the feminine counterpart of the masculine Deus.
  • The remedy is worse than the disease, one of several possible translations of the Latin phrase Aegrescit medendo, which is written on the blast door map, and is a direct quote from Watership Down. It is spoken by the Chief Rabbit in the chapter "For El-Ahrairah to Cry", in Part Two. He means that it would be easier for the community to stay where they are and hope to survive the catastrophe that threatens them, rather than evacuate.
  • In the 1978 animated movie of Watership Down, the opening scene focuses on a close-up of the lead character's eye, just as in LOST
  • The protagonists of the book are rabbits, which are a recurring theme on LOST.


The Author Edit

Richard George Adams (born 9 May 1920) is an English novelist who is best known as the author of Watership Down.

Watership Down began as a story Richard Adams told to his two daughters, Juliet and Rosamond, on a long car journey; in an interview, Adams said he began telling the story of the rabbits ... improvised off the top of my head, as we were driving along. He based the struggles of the animals in the story on the struggles he and his friends encountered during the Battle of Oosterbeek, Arnhem, the Netherlands in 1944. His daughters insisted he write it down—they were very, very persistent—and though he initially delayed, he eventually began writing in the evenings, completing it eighteen months later. The book is dedicated to his daughters.


Quotes Edit

To Juliet and Rosamund,

remembering the road to Stratford-on-Avon

—Dedication, Watership Down

Since leaving the warren of the snares they had become warier, shrewder, a tenacious band who understood each other and worked together… There was no more quarreling… They had come closer together, relying on and valuing each other’s capacities. They knew now that it was on these and on nothing else that their lives depended…

— Richard Adams, Watership Down

I think we ought to do all we can to make these creatures friendly. It might turn out to be well worth the trouble.

— Hazel, Watership Down


The Characters Edit

  • Hazel: The protagonist, Fiver's brother; he leads the rabbits from Sandleford and eventually becomes Chief Rabbit.
  • Fiver: A small runt rabbit whose name literally means "Little-five" or "Little-many" (rabbits have a single word, "hrair", for all numbers greater than four; Fiver's name in Lapine, Hrairu, indicates that he is the smallest of a litter of five or more rabbits).
  • Bigwig: An ex-Owsla officer, and the largest rabbit of the group. His name in Lapine is Thlayli, which literally means "Fur-head" and refers to the shock of fur on the back of his head.
  • Blackavar: A rabbit with very dark fur who tries to escape from Efrafa but is apprehended, mutilated, and put on display to discourage further escape attempts.
  • Kehaar: A Black-headed Gull who is forced, by an injured wing, to take refuge on Watership Down.
  • General Woundwort: A vicious, cruel and brutally efficient rabbit who was orphaned at a young age, Woundwort founded the Efrafa warren and is its tyrannical chief.
  • Frith: A god-figure who created the world and promised that rabbits would always be allowed to thrive. In Lapine, his name literally means "the sun".
  • El-ahrairah: A rabbit trickster folk hero, who is the protagonist of nearly all of the rabbits' stories. In Lapine, his name is a contraction of the phrase Elil-hrair-rah, which means "prince with a thousand enemies".
  • Black Rabbit of Inlé: A sinister phantom servant of the god Frith who appears in rabbit folklore. "Inlé" is the Lapine term for the moon or darkness.


Discussion Points Edit

  • What is unique about the setting of the story?
Does this setting enhance or take away from the story?
  • What specific themes are discovered throughout the story?
Do you see any themes also relating to the story of LOST?
What is the message conveyed by the story themes?
  • Do the characters seem real and believable?
Which characters remind you of similar characters in LOST?
Are their predicaments similar to any in LOST?
  • How do characters change or evolve in the story?
What triggers those changes?
What are the similarities and differences with LOST characters?
  • What are the philosophical views portrayed in the story?
How is it the same/different from LOST's philosophical view?

Discussion Guidelines Edit

  • Be specific and provide examples to back up your point of view.
  • To make the discussion more interesting, feel free to ask your own questions.
  • Please be considerate of all points of view.
  • Encourage participation.


Happy Reading and Thanks!

--Just Sayin' JSTalk LBC LBCTalk eMail 11:41, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

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  • Linking an interesting blog from Mystimus with great insight about Watership Down and author Richard Adams.

    Watership Down - More Interesting than First Thought

    • My auction house has a first edition of Watership Down up for bidding. It includes a signed card by Richard Adams. I love the original cover - I think it should replace the standard one used elsewhere in Lostpedia. Note the use of the compass rose...

    • Thanks Mystimus for bringing this our attention. Agreed the original cover is pretty cool.

      The cover that is used on LBC and throughout LP is the same cover seen on the show. Thinking we should remain consistent with what is presented in the story of LOST whenever possible. But love that you posted the link here within the LBC discussion of the book.

    • That makes sense - keep the cover we saw on screen.

  • Has anyone noticed any predicaments in Watership Down similar to any in LOST?

  • Nice observations! This is why I enjoy these discussions. It's always great when we can see the stories from another persepective.

    Any other thoughts about Watership Down and how it relates to LOST?

  • One thing I've noticed is the similarities in how the setting is used in both WD and Lost to keep the audience from surmising what will happen next. As the audience, we find it much easier to pick up hints or foreshadowing on whats to come when the story is in a setting familiar to us. For example, being people, we have certain expectations of city life and can see how those things could be a factor further in a story when it is set in a city. In a forest, field, Island, etc., we have no prior experience to form expectations of life in that setting. Because of this, it is more difficult to have expectations of what will happen next, and the story is more surprising and shocking because of it. For example, when O815 crashes, we know absolutely nothing of this new place the characters are in; similarly, when Hazel and co. leave their home, the characters and the audience both share the feeling of "this is unknown territory, how am I supposed to have expectations?" Not having expectations is a fantastic method to provide a little extra suspense and tension in the story. Any small change in the environment seems much more drastic to someone who hasn't experienced that small change before, and known things like rain are practically redefined based on these settings and contexts.

    • Really good point! The setting is completly foreign to us. For me at least, it made me cling to every bit of information I received, b/c I never knew what bit would come into play. Very similar to how I viewed "LOST." Thanks for bringing that up! LBC is great.

  • Who are your favorite Characters? I'd say that my favorite characters would be Hazel, Fiver and Bigwig. Oh, and Kehaar too.

    Why? Hazel because he clearly does a good job at being the "Chief Rabbit" of the Watership Down warren, similar to how Hurley does a good job during his time as protector of the Island. I like Fiver because although he does have visions and stuff, he doesn't force his views on the other rabbits. I think that Bigwig is probably the "toughest" of the rabbits physically, but he's also quite cunning as seen in his conning of the Efrafa warren and tricking Woundwort.

  • Who are your favorite Characters?

    Why?

    • You can't help but love Hazel. He's so loyal to his brother, no matter how ludicrous the things Fiver is saying may sound. And Woundwort was a very convincing "evil dictator" rabbit. You felt fear entering his warren. And Bigwig...you love him for the same reasons we love Sawyer. Toughie that's really a softie down deep.

    • HE, I like your comparison between Sawyer and Bigwig, it's very fitting. Not on this read through, but the first time I read this (years and years ago) I was worried that Bigwig would try to overthrow Hazel because he's so strong, physically and mentally. What separates them is that Bigwig sees the importance of being in a group, but Sawyer was constantly rebelling against the group he was forced to be with and trying to do it "every man for himself."

  • This may actually be good for LBC Discussions. I/We can ask a question and the responses will be below that specific question.

  • Just a reminder to every one to vote at the links just below my signature above. Thanks!

  • Love this blog.

  • Well, Hazel and Fiver were brothers after all and that probably made Hazel's listening to Fiver easier. I think that the "Wierd Rabbit" Warren is sort of like a prison for the rabbits in it because the wire stops them from escaping, sort of like how the sonar fence kept the Smoke Monster out but kept the Others in.

  • Woundwort was certainly bloodthirsty. I guess Hazel was kinda the Jack and Fiver was the Locke. Except Hazel listened to Fiver way more than their LOST counterparts. @Islandmatrix-What's your take on the "Weird Rabbit" Warren(I think its Sandleford, Strawberry's Warren)?

  • Well, Hazel was the "Bunny of Science" in a manner of speaking, but Fiver was the "Bunny of Faith", whose visions influenced Hazel and the rabbit in leaving their warren.

    I'd say that Hazel would be a cross between Jack and Hurley, still a "Bunny of Science", but more open to the viewpoints of others

    Actually Woundwort strikes me as being a cross between Keamy and MiB, albeit in bunny form as Keamy and Woundwort are actually fairly bloodthirsty and MiB ran things by fear and intimidation

  • LOL...sorry, that was silly. But seriously, its more bunnies of fear/distrust and bunnies of survival/trust. But, maybe some interpret it as faith/science. I can swallow the faith part, Hazel's group relies on some pretty "faithlike" things, but Woundwort's doesn't seem scientific to me. Although the Sandleford(I hope this is right, renember this is from memory)could be interpreted as kinda scientific. They no longer bother with El-ahrairah, and they invite Hazel's gang simply to have better odds of survival. I don't know...what is your opinion?

  • Would you say, the terms Bunnies of Faith OR Bunnies of Science may apply in this story?

  • Well, I'll try to from memory. Woundwort rules through fear and domination. It's an extreme version of how MIB runs things season 6...extreme. And Hazel runs things more peacfully, yet firm...kinda like Jack. Hazel is possibly more open to ideas and suggestions than Jack. Woundwart's rule VERY similar to our baddie in "The Stand" as is Hazel's to our group of Free-zoners. Reading the 2 books at the same time has gotta be interesting!

  • Any thoughts regarding the various leadership styles in Watership Down?

  • Is anyone else reading our Book of the Week?

  • HE, I think your comment about peaceful/respectful coexistence is the best way to run our world is a good observation.

    I've been thinking kind of along the same lines. Each group of bunnies is run with varying styles of leadership. Hazel's leadership really seems to be most inclusive and respectful with the greater good as a basis for decisions. And I'm thinking perhaps Jack was most like Hazel in his leadership style.

    What about the other groups...What differing leadership styles do you see with the different bunny groups and leaders?

    How do they relate to groups and leaders in LOST?

  • Juliet as a displaced other among our Losties is very similar to Strawberry's situation leaving his warren. They're both a bit different, and take time to be accepted. Fiver, to me is kinda like Hurley/John/Walt b/c he's "special," I think he may be comparable to Nick Andros from "The Stand."

  • It takes place before the epilogue. It contains quite a few lapine tales, and tells a bit more about the rabbits at W.D. after they all settled down. I enjoyed it. We could read it if you enjoy "W.D." It was a pretty easy read, and more details about characters you've bonded w/are always nice.

  • Tales from Watership Down is a separate book from Watership Down written by the same author. It's sort of like The New Man In Charge

    What are the philosphical views portrayed in the story? I'm guessing animal rights would be one view portrayed in the story

  • Tales from Watership Down? Is that a separate book from this one? Would there be any benefit to adding that book to our LBC list?

  • "Lapine" LOL I was saying "lupin," they're rabbits not wolves! Sorry, told ya I didn't have the book on me. The characters are very believable, and fully developed. I loved Bigwig, and feared Woundwart. I think in the end, the message of Watership Down may be peaceful/respectful coexistence is the best way to run our world. And maybe also extremism of any kind is never a good choice. But I need to reread.

  • I probably would call the tales of El-arairah lapine religion for the rabbits, not sure though. With Watership Down and with LOST, it's actually quite easy to emphasise with the characters because after a while, it feels like you know the characters,

  • Wouldn't you call the tales of El-arairah lupin religion? Thanks for the definition, I don't have the book on me, and I've read "Tales from Watership Down" which goes into more details on lupin legend, and didn't want to talk about something not in THIS book. There are moments when I was reading this book I would stop and remind myself "they're bunnies."

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