Contents 1 Age --> DOB 2 Image sizes 3 Appearances 4 Status 4.1 Proposal

Age --> DOB Edit

The age section should probably be changed to date of birth as age is variable, it all depends on what year it is and DOB would always stay the same. This goes for all of the infoboxes naturally. Any objections? --skks 12:52, 26 April 2006 (PDT)

I'm not sure how that would work out. Besides, two seasons have lasted about 66 days (up to S.O.S.) Damon and Carlton have joked on the podcast that Sun's baby will be born in Season 9 (after the zombie season I think). I don't think it matters so much at this point. It would be a lot of work for something that won't really impact us for years.
   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 15:55, 26 April 2006 (PDT)

I would vote to get rid of "age" all together. What does it really add? And except for a few characters, no one's given their age anyway. Right now there's a whole bunch of "Unknowns". Or at the very least change it to your best guess. For example, "in his 30s" or "in her 50s" --Elvis 12:00, 28 April 2006 (PDT)

Image sizesEdit

All the flashback characters use the same size image.* How about doing the same kind of thing for the Flight 815 passengers and Island Characters infoboxes too? It's all done within the template and a little consistency between layouts on the characters and infoboxes would do this website some good. (*I admit, I was the one to change the flashback characters and I did it on a whim without checking with anybody. But I'll be damned if I ever do something like that again. Yikes. But the end result turned out nicely, so can we try it again?) --Elvis 12:00, 28 April 2006 (PDT)

Not a bad idea, look at zeke's page, I'm sure it would be too much of a trouble to find smaller images of the characters. Koolaidman 12:18, 28 April 2006 (PDT)

Appearances Edit

How do I use the S1, S2, S3, etc... Appearances section? I don't see where in the code it should go. Jimbo the tubby 19:55, 25 April 2008 (PDT)

Status Edit

• Maybe we should make this more clearly defined - Alive/Dead as a binary choice doesn't always work, what is the status in the following situations?

1. Clearly died, but has appeared since in physical or vision form (Christian, Yemi, Charlie, Libby, AnnaLucia)
2. Missing but appears in visions (WetWalt, GhostTallerWalt)
3. Appears but of questionable existence (Hurley's Dave, Abaddon, Mrs. Hawking)
4. Was last seen in mortal peril (serious injury) but death was not made clear (Mikhail and Naomi appeared again alive but Nikki, Paulo, Danielle, and Karl were revealed to have died)
5. Was put in mortal peril and seems to be alive but acting strange (Claire post house explosion)
6. Was last seen in an extremely dangerous situation, has not been seen and status has not been addressed (Steve & redhead after Barracks invasion)

Also, some people are interpreting status as including the character's current location. Any ideas? Otherwise, for example, the status of Christian will keep changing in a neverending edit war...--Jackdavinci 15:14, 12 May 2008 (PDT)

• While we're at it - some of the other elements could use expanded definitions, for example, which sorts of non-blood relations count as family.--Jackdavinci 08:33, 13 May 2008 (PDT)

About the locations: There's no point to it. Known/presumed alive/dead is one thing, but this is going to be permanent in the end (some will be dead, some will be alive, some will be presumed dead, etc). So there's no point in locating them every episode, because it won't matter who's on the beach, who's at the barracks, or whatever.--     c      blacxthornE      t     09:31, 13 May 2008 (PDT)

I agree, I just think the infobox instructions should be clear so that when we revert status edits that add locations that we can refer them to the proper place to look for confirmation ;-) --Jackdavinci 09:40, 13 May 2008 (PDT)

ProposalEdit

• All characters shown to be alive on the show are presumed to be alive until proven dead.
  • Appearance of a corpse is to be taken as proof that a person is dead.
  • The infliction of a visible mortal wound that under typical real-life circumstances would not be survivable is to be taken as proof of death.
    • Lacking visual confirmation of a wound or corpse, merely being placed in a scenario that would not typically be survivable is not to be taken as proof of death.
  • Universal agreement on the part of all characters that someone is dead, with no outstanding evidence to the contrary, is to be taken as proof of death, even without the visual confirmation of obviously dead corpses.
  • The passage of a long amount of time in the chronology of the show without sighting of a character is not to be taken as proof of death.
• All characters not shown on the show, but said to be dead or commonly acknowledged to be dead, are presumed to be dead until proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be alive.
  • While the appearance of a dead body is to be taken as proof that a person is dead, the appearance of a living body is not to be taken as proof that a person is alive.
• Dreams, visions, portents and other uncorroborated sightings made during evident altered mental status are to be completely discounted as proof of life or death, one way or another.
• Other canon confirmation of life or death status, as in a podcast, should be taken as proof.
  • Unless the producers were kidding.

This covers well a lot of the deaths on the show, but obviously not all. I think we should note in the policy that it's OK to get status wrong in the short term. Under these guidelines, Naomi and Mikhail both would have been listed as dead before their times. Naomi had a visible mortal wound at the end of Season 3, but was still alive in the first episode of Season 4. Mikhail survived the sonar fence, and would have been labeled dead. Annie and Halliwax are probably dead but would be listed as alive under these guidelines. This solution, it seems to me, is better than introducing a new status ("uncertain"/"ghost"/"undead"/etc.), because then pretty much everybody, alive or dead, could be said to be uncertain. (Hurley feels that the Oceanic Six are dead. Claire could be dead and just be a ghost that doesn't know it yet. Etc.) Robert K S (talk) 23:09, 13 May 2008 (PDT)

• Agree. These guidelines cover visually every character's status. Only the flashback characters that have not been seen on a present-time or flashforward scene are a little neither here nor there, but I can live with the assumption that all of them are alive. At least until Richard Alpert has an 1800s flashback or something :)... I don't know what we would say about the characters in that flashback. But currently we don't need such guidelines so I say let's go with it.--     c      blacxthornE      t     05:05, 14 May 2008 (PDT)
• Mostly agree. I think that suffering a mortal injury, without confirmation of a corpse or dialogue ought to entail an "Unknown" status. Examples of this would be Danielle and Karl in "Meet Kevin Johnson" or Locke in "The Man Behind the Curtain". Naiomi and Mikhail, however would still have been incorrectly listed as dead, because we would've seen their "corpses", but I don't think this is a problem. As Robert K S said above, it's okay to get it wrong in the short term. Without confirmation we should say "Unknown", but even with false confirmation, it should be "Deceased". Also, I don't think the podcast should count for confirmation, since it can be hard to tell whether they're joking or not. Consider someone watching the show 30 years from now. They're not going to have the podcast to refer to when considering events on the show, so from the POV of only considering episodes of Lost to be canon (which is what the producers have stated to be the only true canon), that character won't be dead unless seen on the show.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  12:11, 14 May 2008 (PDT)