Talk:Whispers

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Contents 1 Are Whispers really Whispers? 2 Remove of 'wild speculation' 3 Spoilers 4 Fire and water 5 How interesting 6 Source 7 Theories 8 Season 2 Final 9 Clean Up 10 Season 3? 11 A theory after watching "the Orchid" Orientation video 12 Remove Unfounded UQ 13 Via Domus 14 Latin

Are Whispers really Whispers?

There seem to be 2 different types of whispers people are discussing:

1) Clearly audible whispers that are mysterious actuall in story happenings evidenced by the fact the charachters plainly hear the whispers ard are distubred by them.

2) Whispers that can only be extracted with 'special audio equipment' and that are not audible generally. Having downloaded many of the audio files and listened I am increasingly convinced these are no more than EVP and whisfull thinking at times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voice_phenomena). I am willing to be convinced, but perhaps we need a 'double blind test' of some sort where we can get people to listen to files with no reference to episode or charachters and see if the same phrases can be heard.

To be clear i fall into the skeptic branch of EVP - i.e. it is a phenomenon, just not dead people :-) --Scyto 01:26, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

Im inclined to agree, some of the "whispers" dont sound to reliable, im no expert on these things but theres a limit the producers are going to go to with the "whispers" surely....? JohnIRL 01:38, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

Remove of 'wild speculation'

The following theories are 'wild speculation' as per the theory policy of this wiki. http://lostpedia.com/wiki/LostPedia:Theory_policy (i.e zero evidence)

1) and aren't saying something important or cannon to the plot - no evidence or inferences of an speakers whatsoever

2) The whispers may be the voices of the people on the island or people close to someone on the island that have died. - no evidence in tracripts of text that indicates the people are dead people the losties know, just some faction of the others evaluating the losties.

3) ..and aren't saying something important or cannon to the plot. - yes they are, the trascripts imply they know what is going to happen (shannon being shot for example)

I propose these are removed --Scyto 11:44, 16 July 2006 (PDT)

It would be good if we could persuade key people from the fuselage to help out (forums really are not the best way to store info). http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=796631#post796631 --Scyto 18:10, 15 July 2006 (PDT)Scyto

• Usually when you hear someone say something but don't see the person the sound usually comes for a speaker(s). Speakers can be anything from phones to megaphones. PS "I propose these are removed"-You. You had already removed them.--CaptainInsano

I give up *exasperation* - that is WILD speculation; there is ZERO evidence that there are speakers. As such it is NOT a theory. As such it doesn't deserve being called a theory. It is valid speculation, no more. If you want to get the rules changed of the wiki I sugest you try and do that instead. If cleanup is this hard, i think i will leave it to others.--Scyto 16:54, 16 July 2006 (PDT)

Someone needs a nap. Just for future reference it is "suggest".--CaptainInsano

Not sure what you mean suggest, the pioliciy is quite clear and a policy is not a suggestion - it is a rule:

Theories and Speculations

Both theories and speculations are coherent statements made in an attempt to explain the events of LOST. Neither can be treated as canonical until they are presented as a fact by a reputable source, as described above.

A theory differs from speculation in that it is backed up with logically consistent observations and facts. Without supporting evidence, statements are merely speculation. ::All theories should be presented as statements along with their supporting facts in a == Theories == section of an article because of their non-canonical nature. Like facts, theories should never be presented as rhetorical questions.

All speculations should be made only on discussion or user talk pages.

--Scyto 01:16, 24 July 2006 (PDT) The speaker theory has no evidence, as such it is speculation. If you are unsure what i mean by zero evidence read the theory entry on logical fallacy - which is what the speaker theory is. As such it should only be on the speculation page. Or do the rules not apply?

• I can't believe a fairly reasonable theory that speakers--- and not the supernatural--- are behind the whispers is given this much debate and scrutiny while actual 'wild speculation without a shred of solid evidence'--- the completely imagined and highly subjective "hidden whispers" allegedly buried into a subliminal soundtrack in the show--- persists with the endorsement of unscrutinized legitimacy at lostpedia. It should be stated in big, bold letters on the main page that the "hidden whispers" are fan speculation, not established fact.-tuttlemsm

== Could someone digitalize that whispers and upload them on a site? (and share the links here of course? I think this is great material, but I have no mean (nor knowledge to "overlap" sound tracks). -- AlexD 80.25.30.18 11:17, 6 February 2006 (PST)

These read out like song lyrics... They rhyme and everything..

Would be great to have them as mp3... There is no Theory-Section in this yet - are there no theories? I mean according to the transcripts, the voices have a lot to say. They are too specific to be just random whispers in the minds of the people. It seems that the voices are "the others", but why do they hear them. Psychic abilities, Mind Voice Projection, hidden speakers on the island, invisibility cloaks, Sound-Fatamorganas, ... I don't know, but I guess there are many (more thoughtful) theories out there? --aurora glacialis 16:18, 26 February 2006 (PST)

i dont think mind projection is really that wild a theory anymore after 2x22 "three minutes" - Mikey 13:53, 18 May 2006 (PDT)

I don't think whoever's doing the whispering is part of The Others, they sound almost scared and very careful. "Maybe they can help us", no self-respecting Other would even think like that. The general Other-mentality towards the Survivors is patronizing at best. A wild theory would be that the whisperers are dead (maybe even the soul can't escape the island), that bit when Shannon died sounded like it could have been said by Boone. Ofcourse, this is just speculation. --skks 11:46, 7 March 2006 (PST)

how can a dead person/spirit hold a "scope", "Hide the scope", meaning either a scope on a rifle, a pair of binoculars, or a persicope (think to the mirror system in the swan - Mikey 13:53, 18 May 2006 (PDT)

Apparently some whispers are buried in the audio track according to http://lostwhispering.blogspot.com ...this site also has mp3s. Some of these really do seem to be giving away too much, although it seems the writers did this on purpose. -- Hazel 11:42, 29 October 2006

Spoilers

=I think this is one of the few places that requires a spoiler warning.

It contains information you can't get by watching the show and to be fair.. i found it a bit more than i wanted to know at this stage.

--user:MRNasher

I disagree, the transcripts are still from the show. Everything else is just theory. --skks 02:15, 13 March 2006 (PST)

I agree they are transcripts but contain information that is not supposed to be readily available to the average viewer. I just think a text note at the top might warn a reader of that.

Maybe what i was reading was confirming too many of my suspicions and felt that it was 'proving' connections with things that are still totally unexplained within the show.

--user:MRNasher

I think it suffices that we got a big, fat warning on the front page. Besides, there's bigger spoilers here :-) --Jambalaya 07:14, 13 March 2006 (PST)

I agree - spoken words in the show are there to be figured out - theories are theories, but dialogue from the show (however quiet or hard to decipher) isn't really a spoiler. Call sheets, set reports, etc. are really more spoilers. --Bremerton 05:30, 27 April 2006 (PDT)

Fire and water

Hi all.

Is anyone working to transcript the whispers Charlie hears in Fire and Water? I'm gonna try but I'm not a natural English-speaker.

Thank you for the good job.

EDIT: didn't add my signature --Nonninz 10:15, 19 March 2006 (PST)

How interesting

"Maybe they can help us." Huh!

Just as S+K get to the waterfall in WTCMB, there's a sound that sounds suspiciously like "Help!" Has anyone tried to break that out or debunked it as a "whispher." Thanks! Jengod

Source

How or where did you get the transcript of the whispers? It might be worthwhile to mention if this was taken from a script, closed-captioning, guessed at, etc.--Bill37212 07:24, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Yeah, that would be interesting cause even if i turn the sound up, I just understand single words... And why do you always mention that there is some german text in it? I am from germany but i didnt hear any german... --Soul Provider 07:08, 8 April 2006 (PDT)

Agree. I think the same thing when I read the article. How did you find what the whispers said? I'm assuming that someone altered them in some manner. It would be nice to post an explanation of the technique.

Theories

• If the transcripts featured are true and accurate, they would seem to tie in with the notion that our islanders are in fact sharing a collective consciousness, and are probably all hooked up to monitors in a lab somewhere in a different status, and everything happening on the island is indeed a group hallucination, mirrored by the repeated statement of "Im in someone elses dream".

• Anyone have any ideas who Dennis may be?

• I would agree that some of the text spoken does seem relevant to and could be from Boone, while the words Dude and sucks seem to remind me of Hurley.

• Is it possible that the fluctuations in pitch of the whispers are in fact the result of an electromagnetic phenomena known as the doppler effect. Discovered by Christian Doppler, it causes the observed frequency of any source (sound, radio, light, etc.) to differ from the radiated frequency of the source if there is motion that is increasing or decreasing the distance between the source and the observer. The effect is readily observable as variation in the pitch of sound between a moving source and a stationary observer, or vice-versa.

• I think this is plausible. However, the start of your explanation is a bit misleading. The doppler effect is not an "electromagnetic phenomena". It is a shift in frequency of a sound wave due to the relative movement of the source or the observer. Electromagnetic waves are also affected in the same manner, but the effect is not exclusively an "electromagnetic phenomena".

Season 2 Final

What about the whispers of the Season 2 final episode, before the group gets captured? I think i heard something like "Elisabeth" but don't know if it's right... Anyone knows the full whisper? --Soul Provider 06:35, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

Yes, I just made it out, it's something like "Elisabeth, it's alright, wake up" and then it gets too noisy to make out anything. I am looking for the right place to add that but there seems to be no good wiki for the whispers. I suggest we clean up this one.
-- Isilando 08:08, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

I thought I heard "Elisabeth Widmore" but I am very bad at this. --CaptainInsano

If it's either "Elisabeth, it's alright, wake up" or "Elisabeth Widmore"... That's pretty disturbing. Could someone work on the transcripts of the whispers? - Mothmanbr 09:54, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

The first thing I thought of was a traumatic Libby waking up after believing she was shot and killed, from a dream state, trip, hallucination, who knows? The creators seem to be into the idea of LSD, with images from Room 23 and the name drop of Richard Alpert. Kilgore Trout

Clean Up

This page is totally a mess. Looks a bad copy-paste from that link at the top of the page, since it lacks the formatting of that page. Also, the categorization is not nice ("X-person in the jungle", etc). People get in and out of the jungle all the time. There are wikis for each episode and for each character. I think the categorization should be done based on episodes/seasons and the formating of the whispers transcript changed a bit. I will mark this page as clean-up needed in about a day if nobody disgrees and I will start reforming it.
-- Isilando 08:25, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

You are correct in the way it should be formatted - go for it!

From the top of the article: "The sounds of whispering voices frequently appear..." - do voices actually appear? You can't see them, can you? This ought to be "...voices are frequently heard..."--Spacebrat 23:43, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

Attempted to clean the article up some, split the Transcripts of into their own article, reorganized some also. Geometrix 15:26, 16 May 2007 (PDT)

Well I've added Occurences. Could someone spellcheck it? Staffie 12:46, 1 July 2007 (GMT)

Season 3?

Would anything from Season 3 qualify for being added? I'm thinking of the voices Jack hears in the aquarium from the box that seem to be of the same nature... or was that something different? I remember something like a loop of people's voices. I just can't remember which episode that was, or I'd find it. Anyone? Hazel 21:54, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

• Ben heard the whispers as a child near the fence, when his mum appeared. I haven't got a transcript though --elpaw 17:33, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
  • I added what I could hear from audio the disections I made from "The Man Behind the Curtain" however they were deleted during the cleanup. Shame as there are no back-ups on my computer --Jazza|talk|Contributions 06:27, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Update: I found they have been moved to here--Jazza|talk|Contributions 07:18, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
    • Sorry about that, caught it right before I did my update which had been sand boxed, I made sure to add it to the new transcripts page when I put that up. ge0  Talk  contribs  14:03, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
• Now that we have met Jacob who is invisible, is it possible that the whispers come from people who are invisible also. I've just read the transcripts and it seems very much like the voices are from people local. Another theory is that the monster is a sort of security camera system and it is controlled by a collective of people. When confronted by the monster, Eko is asked "who are you and what why are you here".. this does suggest that people can see through the 'face' of the monster if indeed the monster is not a collective of 'ghosts'. Well, what do you think?--Jasonhuk 09:16, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
  • I will tell you what I think. I think the transcripts, or at least some of the conversations contained within them, read as if people in a control room are speaking to one another casually. Lines like "What’s happening", "Now I can tell what you're doing", "Intruder alert", and "You're on her right" speak to people in a room watching someone control something. Heck, lines like "Is anyone on" and "Is anyone awake" sound like it's an online chat room. Of course, there are also casual references to characters' impending deaths, "last words" from dead people never on the island, and concerns over being discovered, so take my 2 cents for what it's worth. Kgun5 14:52, 27 July 2007 (PDT)

A theory after watching "the Orchid" Orientation video

"The Orchid" Orientation video beggins with whispers, similars to those found on the series, with that in mind, my theory is that the whispers are the voices of the remaining Dharma Ini members, who are stuck in the "eyeland", hiding, but still making their research. Please post your opinion. User:JS4815

Remove Unfounded UQ

I propose to remove the following UQ: "If Miles has spiritual abilities, why can't he understand the whispers?" Miles DID understand the whispers coming from Rousseau's and Karl's bodies. --Salvora 18:27, 7 May 2008 (PDT)

Via Domus

There are whispers in "A New Day" of Via Domus. Does anyone have the transcripts for these? -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 15:11, 26 June 2008 (PDT)

Latin

I propose that someone who can understand Latin listen to the whispers frontward and find out if we've been kidding ourselves.