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Charlie's HairEdit

It's messy and average length in the first timeline, but a short buzz-cut in the second timeline. Is this noteworthy? --Jacobking 17:47, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

I added it in for now. As this page evolves, I'm sure it will take on an organizational structure and the facts can be more clearly organized.--Jacobking 18:36, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

In custody for the murder of her stepfather's apprentice? Edit

When was this mentioned in the show? ---- LOSTonthis darnisland 17:50, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Seconded. Can we remove this? It sounds made up to me. Rednukleus 18:45, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

It was in a video at Comic Con. [1] Cuse mentions it in a recent interview. [2] Might not be canon yet. --Znils 20:19, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

On a related note about things being canon I kind of feel like the whole Michael & Walt not being on the plane is ruined for me now because of Jimmy Kimmel . {{SUBST:User:jdray/autosig}} 12:52, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Numbers Edit

Does it bear pointing out that Hurley could not have used the Numbers, since they were never broadcast, and therefore never heard from the listening station and then repeated in front of Hurley (which is why his luck is good instead, since he didn't use the cursed Numbers). ---- LOSTonthis darnisland 17:55, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

We can't conclude that he used different numbers yet. A) We assume that the island was sunk in 1988 when Leonard would have heard the transmission, but we don't know for a fact. B) Even if the island was sunk and the numbers were never broadcast, who's to say that Hurley didn't get them from somewhere else in this alternate timeline?--Jacobking 18:31, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

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We also don't know if he even won the same lottery game. He could have won it days, weeks, etc. before or after he won in the original timeline. Also, if he is, as he claims, the "luckiest guy in the world," wouldn't it be safe to assume he was never in the institution where he first learned of the numbers? --Costacoast 06:05, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. ---- LOSTonthis darnisland 17:46, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

In addition, this Hurley could have "invented" the numbers independently in the first place. Since we do not know precisely when or in what sequence the events of the alt timeline occur, it might be that this is the ORIGINAL timeline, and that subsequent events (as we shall see), could well mean that things need to happen to create the circumstances in which the numbers are broadcast in the 80s, causing the chain of events which end in the 815 crash from S1.

Questions on Differences Edit

My second problem with the differences section is that the author of the Charlie section states that it is a difference that in the original time line he was going to the restroom to take drugs and in the new time line he is going to kill himself. I think that is more of a theory than a known fact so I don't know if it belongs on the main article. The concept, at least to me, is based on him saying "I was supposed to die." and then being generally prissy about it. 2 things: I know its semantics but "supposed to" could mean something entirely different than "I wanted to die." I personally think it’s an important difference. Especially because he is one that was wrapped up in the whole “supposed to die” story with Desmond. Second I don't think we ever truly knew what he was doing in the bathroom. He was always very vague about it and may have just been playing it off as taking drugs. So again I think the statement is mostly right but I don't think we know for sure that it is right and may not belong on the main article

Agree totally. You don't try kill yourself by swallowing something. Much more likely was Charlie was trying to smuggle the drugs in and they accidentally got caught in his throat.

--Smorrison2030 18:10, February 3, 2010 (UTC) smorrison2030

Are you sure you're not thinking of when the media first ambushed Hurley and identified him as the lotto winner? This was on TV in Jin's episode ...In_Translation, but this is very different from being well-known as a TV personality and owner of a chicken franchise.Jacobking|talk|contributions 19:00, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

It might not make any difference, but are we sure that we saw "the ruins of the statue" (infering that only the foot was left standing)? As I remember it from last night, the camera stopped just short of showing us where the statue's foot/leg ends (e.g,. the ragged top of the severed limb). Ericshead 20:02, February 3, 2010 (UTC)EricsHead

Oceanic Flight 815Edit

It was Oceanic Flight 815 isn't it in the alternate timeline?--Station7 18:46, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

-We're ASSUMING it was still Oceanic Flight 815. But since nothing was canonically said in dialogue, it COULD have been a different plane. --138 22:30, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

-All over this wiki people have been calling the alternative timeline airplane, 'Flight 815' -- despite the fact that the flight number is never identified, despite the fact that the seating configuration of the plane is different (Flight 815 was 3-3-3, the Alt Timeline flight is 3-4-3), and the shots of the plane during landing and taxiing show a different model plane altogether. It's not a fact that it's Flight 815 until it's identified as such on the show.There-is-no-spoon 00:02, February 4, 2010 (UTC)There-is-no-spoon

Sun doesn't speak English? Edit

I know it's not yet confirmed and she could have just been keeping quiet as in the island timeline but when prompted (not in Jin's presence) that she should speak up if she speaks English, she said "No English". It was interesting that there was a slight pause between "No" and "English" which means it ends up being a push since it could go either way. I just thought it was something to keep an eye on if not note it as fact. - Jayallen 20:38, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

It's clever writing, directing and acting. It keeps the audience guessing about whether this is a sincere difference, or whether Sun is lying-- kind of like the writing, directing and acting kept the audience guessing about whether Locke was paralyzed in this timeline until near the end of the episode when we see that Locke cannot leave the plane on his own. Spikebrennan 20:41, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

It is clever, however I think there's little doubt Sun still speaks English. If she only heard "Blah, Blah, Blah" then her stock answer would be "No English" (no pause). But her dillema was should she say yes or no, she understood the question, thought carefully about how to answer, decided "No" and then quite meekly tacked a "English" on the end to maintain the pretense.

Sun and JinEdit

I'm not convinced that Sun & Jin are unmarried in the alternate timeline. The two pieces of evidence here are that they're not wearing wedding rings, and that Sun is referred to as "Ms. Paik". The lack of rings may be coincidental or even an oversight. As for her name, married women in Korea keep their maiden name. Calling her "Mrs. Kwon" was an error. Calling her by her maiden name now may simply be a retcon. Aridd 21:01, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

I have a doubt too. I need to get back and re-watch, but I think Sun was playing with a ring when she was watching Bernard and Rose. Even if she was, the type of ring and finger it was on may still not suggest marriage... humpton 22:53, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
I aggree I never got the feeling that they were not married. Jin even still tells her to button up her shirt. I know he could do this either way but it makes it feel alot like they are married. --Smorrison2030 23:29, February 3, 2010 (UTC)smorrison2030
Sun has her hands clasped so you cannot see if she is wearing a ring or not. Jin is clearly not wearing a ring on either finger. His hands are in clear view. I doubt it was an oversight or mistake... given that their wedding rings have played an important plot point for quite some time. Not all women in Korea keep their maiden name -- and Sun had referred to herself and been referred to by others as Mrs. Kwon when in Korea pre-crash.There-is-no-spoon 00:08, February 4, 2010 (UTC)There-is-no-spoon

BernardEdit

A ring can be seen on his finger during the flight when Jack asks Rose about Desmond. Bender8 02:36, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sayid Edit

The author of the Sayid section says that we assume he has an Iraqi passport, but I'm not so sure we do. He's been in trouble with the Republican Guard, left the country, assisted the CIA, and had moral dillemas with almost everything he has done. Considering his lifestyle and personality, it's perfectly reasonable he would have an Iranian passport, and I wouldn't be surprised to find he had passports from any number of countries. Of course, not taking it quite that far, there is no reason to assume that he was still an Iraqi citizen at the time of the flight in either timeline. --Costacoast 06:21, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Capitalization? Edit

"Original timeline" is capitalized, but "flash-sideways" is not. What gives? Marc604 07:38, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

There's no reason to capitalize "original timeline" (except at the beginning of a sentence or the beginning of a section header). Robert K S tell me 07:52, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Halliburton case Edit

The Halliburton case wasn't underneath the seats in the original timeline. It was also in the storage compartment above them and fell out when the plane began to shake and knocked the Marshall unconscious. It was probably underneath a seat in the lake because it randomly fell there during the crash. Why would the case be under someone else's seat anyway? --MessyM 13:15, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't the Halliburton case that struck the Marshall. It was a black and silver, rectangular case with sharp corners from the overhead compartment across the aisle.--Paleored 17:47, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Rename Edit

Although this page is nominated to be merged with another I believe that in case it is kept, or even until it is merged, it should be renamed because (1) the name of the page can be shortened while still describing, in a nutshell, what the article is about and (2) the current name of the article isn't needed with the existence of the introductory text of the article stating that, and I quote, this article describes differences between the two different timelines shown in the episode "LA X, Parts 1 & 2". That being said I propose renaming this article to one of the following: Original vs. flash-sideways timeline - Timeline differences - Differences between timelines --JorNas 19:00, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think Timeline Differences sums it up aptly. I'm not sure it should be merged, though. humpton 19:02, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

with above. Timeline Differences is awesome and then we don't have to use the hateful "flash-sideways". --Alilamba 17:38, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

The current name is far to long and and Timeline Differences tells you what you need to know. No need for a merge though because I think this needs its own page. --Liam-24 15:43, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

What we have to decide, first of all, is whether the two universes that are being shown in Season Six are really to be called "timelines". I think that word is unfortunate. As far as I know, I only exist in one universe, but I don't normally tell people that I live in a "timeline" -- I live in a universe. Also, calling these universes "timelines" leads to confusion, because on this wiki the word "timeline" has always referred to a chronological list of events; not to the universe per se. So this page should probably be named "Differences between X and Y", where X and Y are the names for the Old Universe and the New Universe. (Indeed, perhaps the show will eventually supply us with names for X and Y, but for now, I suggest "Old Universe" and "New Universe".)

Regardless of that point, I oppose merging this page with Flash-sideways timeline. I think that that page should actually contain a timeline of the New Universe: in other words, a list of dates (Desmond was married on such-and-such a date, etc.), organized chronologically, and without many mentions of the Old Universe. This article, however, is excellent in its current form: a list of the differences between the Old and the New, organized by subject. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 03:46, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

So my vote would be to rename to Differences between worlds (or, if you prefer, "universes" or "realities"). But "timelines" is incorrect. We have a good list of differences between these worlds (Desmond is in the hatch / on the plane, Shannon is / is not on the plane, etc.), but we know almost nothing about the time of any of these changes. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 22:29, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

with rename to "Timeline Differences," This will help casual users to find it.--138 15:38, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

"Timeline Differences" definitely gets the point across. And I oppose the merge.--Frank J Lapidus 22:32, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline differences - the current title is way too long. This should be changed by now.--Baker1000 01:47, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

John LockeEdit

It is probably worth saying somewhere that Locke now does not have a scar underneath his right eye in the alternate timeline. The scar was inflicted in the original 815 crash, and has been with him all the way through Seasons 1-5, including after the Ajira landing, when he became Flocke.

In the orginal timeline, he gets days for holiday to go on the walkabout, in the flash-sideways, he is on a conference and uses the time to go on a walk about --Darsenbrindel 17:31, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Christian Shephard Edit

Original writing said location of coffin was unknown. I changed it b/c the Oceanic employee did tell Jack it never got on the plane in Sydney. Am I remembering correctly? --Iamforart 21:54, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Continuity Error Edit

I propose that nothing on this page be listed as a continuity error, as we're dealing with a different timeline (specifically Sayid's passport). We don't know any details to the new timeline, and many things have obviously changed. For now, nothing is a continuity error. Crazy Bearded Jack 01:51, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

I second! --Iamforart 02:13, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Makes complete sense! humpton 02:37, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Desmond Hume Edit

Paragraph mentions a wedding band twice. Once at the beginning, he "appears to be wearing one" and the last sentence mentions (a bit out of sequence, I think) he was in fact wearing one. We need to fix this, but I can't remember if he was or was not wearing a ring. Help! --Iamforart 06:58, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

We get a passing glimpse of a ring, third finger left hand just before he sits again after letting Jack pass to sit down Charles Kane 06:47, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Micheal and Walt Edit

While it's true that we didn't see them on the plane, it does not mean that they were not on the plane. This applies also for Ana Lucia, Libby, Mr. Eko, Nikki, Paolo, Claire, etc. As such, I propose leaving out the part on Micheal and Walt, as well as any other characters, until we see evidence otherwise.--138 15:27, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Darlton confirmed it on Kimmel. Robert K S tell me 07:06, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

No Boone Paragraph? Edit

There are paragraphs for people that weren't even on the plane (Shannon, Michael, Walt...) but not for Boone. It think it's woth noting that he is sitting next to Locke and doesn't have bruises on his face. MessyM 10:58, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ethan RomEdit

What Kate Does-Enhanced transcript says that he was born on the island in 1977.

“

This is Ethan Rom, aka Ethan Goodspeed.

Ethan lived on the island as an Other and kidnapped Claire as seen in the Season 1 episode "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues."

Ethan was born on the island in 1977 to Horace and Amy Goodspeed as revealed in the Season 5 episode, "LaFleur."

After Ethan joined the Others his last name changed to "Rom."

”

Is this canon?--Sean Sheep 14:36, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

It was already canon even before the enhanced episode. See Ethan Rom for details. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 00:17, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Enhanced episodes aren't canon. Podcast around "Namaste" last season. I don't know what's on the Ethan Rom page. cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail 01:25, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

No No No, I mean FS Ethan. Clearly OT Ethan was born on the island as we have seen, but if this were canon, it would show that FS Ethan and OT Ethan shared a history up to some point, i.e the FST & OT diverged some time after he was born (e.g. in an H-bomb blast)

Well that pop-up is describing the "original Ethan," in that it describes him joining the Others and kidnapping Claire. Semantically, it's possible that FS Ethan might've been born off the Island, and it wouldn't negate the text. That said, podcasts seemed to state none of the enhanced texts are canon (and people will argue feverishly either way on that). But yeah, that doesn't reveal any information we don't already know (except for "Amy Goodspeed", and maybe where "Rom" came from).--Tim Thomason 05:35, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Removed Edit

"It should be noted that neither the flight number of the alternate timeline Oceanic Flight nor the date of that flight have been identified." Removed because the flight number was given in Recon, and I think the date was too. Even if it hasn't, the producers have clarified that it's the same day in Entertainment Weekly. --Golden Monkey 03:50, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Kate's differencesEdit

Shouldn't it include the fact that she murdered a different person in each timeline--Rod|talk 08:13, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

no, because we don't know exactly what happened (comic con doesn't count). but... -- Sharon1234 Talk Flashback 00:19, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

the Halliburton case was NOT underneath the seats, it fall on Mars's head!-- Sharon1234 Talk Flashback 00:19, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

RenameEdit

I suggest we change it's name, after all we now know it's not a timeline--Rod|talk 03:19, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Delete/MergeEdit

This isn't really an article at all, is it? It's a series of notes that we put together as season 6 progressed and we tried to figure out what was going in those flash sideways. It makes for terrible reading now because it lacks any of the context that the final revelation provided. The info on this page would instead work fine just on the individual character pages on or the page for the Flash sideways world. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 15:12, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Agree with BalkOfFame, merge or delete :) --Station7 15:42, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Shambala108 04:52, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Delete or Merge Part 2Edit

Since it's a long time that nobody reacted at this, we should think what to do with this article. At one side, we can merge or delete. I think we first put the notes in the article Flash sideways world and then delete. Does any agree? --Station7 21:27, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. No need to compare the two "timelines" now. Shambala108 22:34, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

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