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Accurate?

Was Damon joking when he said this? And if it is real it better be protected, otherwise this page will become filled with spoilers and rumours. --Blueeagleislander 23:40, 20 February 2007 (PST)

He did sound pretty serious about it, he wasn't laughing when he said it or anything. It should be locked, though. --SilvaStorm
When he said what?? --User:Noseman 2006


MASSIVE CROSSOVER

I beleive that be are about to experience a huge crossover and a flashback story that will cover 3 weeks!!! First Locke's experience of the Tampa job, then Kate's and finally Sawyer's. Could all 3 be linked so intimately to this incident??? Only time will tell but yeah probably. Princess Dharma (banned)

What gives ya that idea?--Lewis-Talk-Contribs 12:41, 2 March 2007 (PST)
  • 1) Locke - Focus of this episode entilted "Man from Tallahasse". Tallahasse is in Florida and not to far from Tampa. Locke's dad was a conman and may have been involved as where those guys who Anothony tried to be dead because of.
  • 2) Kate - We know she was at least going to Tallahasse before she was arrested and may have met her husband there who was involved in the Tampa job as well.
  • 3) Sawyer - Was CERTAINLY involved in the tampa job and it was a major turning point in his life. He probably lived in Florida as well and was in Tallahasse at some point (he caught an STD there).

The credits now provide me with further evidence toward this: Anthony Cooper and a bunch of detectives from Orange County. Princess Dharma (banned)

Love the idea, but I think they'd cover it all in one week, for fear of the fans being annoyed at another mini-arc -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  14:29, 5 March 2007 (PST)

They could cover Locke's now and Sawyers later in the series and forget Kate. Similar to what happened with Jack, Sawyer and Ana-Lucia. Princess Dharma (banned)

Synopsis

Ben offers to give Locke some of the island's secrets if he calls off his destructive plan; Kate discovers that Jack has made a deal with the Others. [1]—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flippy (talk • contribs) .

That is not an official press release from ABC Medianet, so unfortunately we cannot use it. -Mr.Leaf 15:34, 4 March 2007 (PST)


Real Ep Synopsis

Can somebody post the ABC press release episode synopsis here please? ty --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 13:46, 9 March 2007 (PST)

Here:

ABC Television Network PRESS RELEASE - ENTERTAINMENT - LOST (3/21) Print This Document (note: To use this function, upgrade your browser: "Quick Download")

BEN OFFERS LOCKE SOME OF THE SECRETS OF THE ISLAND IN ORDER TO THWART HIS POTENTIALLY DESTRUCTIVE PLAN, AND KATE DISCOVERS THAT JACK HAS MADE A DEAL WITH "THE OTHERS" WHEN SHE IS FINALLY REUNITED WITH HIM, ON ABC'S "LOST"


"The Man from Tallahassee" - Ben tries to persuade a determined Locke to call off his destructive plan by offering him some of the secrets of the island, and Kate's reunion with Jack does not go off as planned when she discovers that he has made a deal with "The Others," on "Lost," WEDNESDAY, MARCH 21 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.

"Lost" stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Michael Emerson as Ben, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet, Dominic Monaghan as Charlie and Terry O'Quinn as Locke.

Guest starring are M.C. Gainey as Mr. Friendly/Tom, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau, Kevin Tighe as Anthony Cooper, Patrick J. Adams as Peter Talbot, Barbara Baehler as Mrs. Talbot, Don Nahaku as Detective Reed, Marlene Forte as Detective Mason, Stephen Bishop as William Kincaid, Cleo King as government worker and Brian Goodman as Ryan Pryce.

"The Man from Tallahassee" was written by Drew Goddard & Jeff Pinkner and directed by Jack Bender.

"Lost" is broadcast in 720 Progressive (720P), ABC's selected HDTV format, with 5.1-channel surround sound and Spanish audio via SAP.

This program carries a TV-14,V parental guideline.

ABC Media Relations Contact: Jeff Fordis (818) 460-6676, jeffrey.a.fordis@abc.com

littlemisssunshine 10:24, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

ABC Medianet restructured

The ABC Medianet site has been restructured, and the link on this page should be changed to http://www.abcmedianet.com/assets/pr%5Chtml/030507_14.html, but it's locked so I can't change it. Triptolemus 13:51, 18 March 2007 (PDT)


BEST F*CKING EPISODE EVER

YES Jcc1033 20:02, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Damn skippy! Stormbear 23:36, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Drat yo, I said the SAME thing when it was over. --CastorTroy 04:37, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Darn that was sooooo annoying with that ending! Yes it was brilliant though, better than Maternity Leave and that takes quite a lot... --Sekhmort 07:33, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

Man from Tallahassee

Can't it be assumed that the "Man from Tallahassee" is Anthony Cooper? Anomymage 20:24, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

I assume it is, but it's really not clear. Usually they're a little more obvious about revealing the title's meaning, but not this time! --Pedxing 21:21, 21 March 2007 (PDT)
In the ABC podcast from 03/26/07 presenter Kris White says in the introduction: "(...) and Ben introduces us to the Man from Tallahassee." That can only mean Cooper is indeed the MfT, because there are no other men Ben introduces us to! Roger 16:19, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

Pics

We need a good picture of the conversations between Ben and Locke. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Glen Quagmire (talk • contribs) .

I have uploaded that and many more. Please let me know if there is another specific one you would like.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 23:06, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

New Tattoo??

Was it just me or did it appear that Jack had a huge tattoo on the inside of his left arm during the intro scene when Locke is looking through the binoculars?? I thought that it was really colorful and I never noticed it before... Let me know if anyone else saw it..

I saw it, too--never noticed it before. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Morris729 (talk • contribs) .

It's not new. He has had it since the pilot episode. Nothing to see here...move along.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 23:07, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Funny, I thought the same thing. But if was there all along it's a non-issue. Butman 08:30, 22 March 2007 (PDT)Butman

Jack's right, under the arm? Big and red?? It seems like the directors made a point to show it off. As often as Jack wears muscle shirts and t-shirts, I would think it would have been visible before. --scribbleink 14:28, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

I thought it was different too. How odd. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 14:30, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

I was thinking "No way; that's a brand new tat." But after looking through a large number of Jack photos here, it seems that his arm is always conveniently out of frame, or blocked by something else. That red tattoo is visible in a few screenshots here and there, but only just barely. Not like his shoulder tattoo, which is pretty obvious. Pretty weird. :) --Shodan1138 15:27, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Anagram

Ok, just for fun! Anthony Cooper, Adam Seward = Poor Sawyer, the Con Man, a Dad. --Makiwolf 00:25, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Even better: Sawyer, the con man, a poor dad. Thanks Ez76. Makiwolf 00:40, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

You mean "Anthony Cooper" is THE Sawyer? Butman 08:29, 22 March 2007 (PDT)Butman

How you found it, dude? Borkowicz 13:39, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Interesting

Isn't it interesting that this is the second episode to end with the word, "Dad?". The first being What Kate Did, which revealed one big mystery: Kate's original crime. TMFT revealed the biggest character secret in my opinion, and it also ended with the word, "Dad?". Just something interesting. --Berethor222 07:13, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

That's interesting..another interesting thing is that Ben's problems are solved once more by someone else! First, he has cancer on the spine and the moment he realises it, Jack, a spinal surgent drops in! Then, when he wants to stop Jack from leaving but also to keep the promise he made, Locke blows up the sub. The funny thing is that Ben realises the close calls others have saved him from (as seen in his quotes)!

The Box

I am wondering if the "box" is responsible for the sitings like Kate's horse, Jack's father, etc. Ben said he didn't know how it happened, referring to Locke's father. Maybe something within Locke made his own father appear on the island.

Butman 08:25, 22 March 2007 (PDT)Butman


I'd say even more - Sun's pregnancy may be her thoughts coming true via the box, yet I'm not sure such thing could have apeared IN the box, so it may not be literally a box, but something less real. Oh, and BTW did anyone read "Roadside Picnic" by Strugazkys or at least seen "Stalker" by Tarkovsky? I just can't stop recalling these as i think of the box... Asgan 09:46, 22 March 2007 (PDT)


I'm wondering if this is related to what Leonard meant when he shouted to Hurley in Numbers that "You've opened the box!" If he was shouting about a literal box that Hurley opened by using the numbers. theManThing 10:38, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Maybe we should make a list of wishes and thoughts that came true? I have already thought of about a dozen things that could've been made by the thing... Also, now I'm pretty sure the box isn't a real box but something ethereal - the're too many wishes that came true that can't be spawned as a thing, like, once again, Sun's pregnancy, Locke's and Rose's healing and much more. The Walt's bird in Special may also have been spawned by the same box, even though it didn't happen on the island. My guess is that only several (or simply "good") people may trigger the box, which includes chidren cause they're innocent Asgan 11:20, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

I get the impression now that "good" has very little to do with triggering it. "good" is more associated with serving or working with Jacob. I base this on Locke who is favored by the island but not really any sort of good person anymore and that whatever Locke is serving on the island really can't be considered good in that it probably killed Boone and Mr. Eko for no good reason. Better yet, it sent Locke to risk his life saving Mr. Eko so he could be killed the next day. The other possibility is that everything is in good/bad pairs. That would make Rose the good and Locke the bad. Dharmatel4 11:47, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

There's a section on the Theories page ('There is a magic box') where I put a comment about Locke looking around the room before seeing Cooper. Follow ups have shifted the focus towards whether or not the monster could be inside the 'magic box'. I only mentioned the monster because the first comment did, and I'd prefer to forget about the monster altogether and concentrate on whether or not Cooper really was in the room. Anybody mind if I edit the section so there's no mention of the monster, to avoid confusion? Burt Gummer

Can someone answer these questions:
1. What does Richard say when Ben asks him to bring him TMFT? I think that Richard says "Now?" but I'm not positive.

Ben,"I want you to bring me the man from Tallahassee". Richard, "What do you need him for?" Ben, "Just do it. Now". Richard, "OK".

2. When Locke (and we) hear the phrase "the man from Tallahassee," do we *see* Ben?

Yes.

My memory is that Locke's view of Ben is (fortuitously?) blocked at that moment by Richard's body. I'm just wondering whether Locke hears something that he *interprets* (or perceives) as "the man from Tallahassee."--Jburnson 08:09, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Basically, EVERY SINGLE STRANGE THING that has occurred during the Lost series may be explained by using the Box theory. I've also been compiling a list, starting from the Pilot, and working my way through each episode, of all the possible things that I could imagine that could possibly have been caused or created from the Box picking up on someone's desires (conscious or un) who lived on the Island. These events or manifestations may have even happened in other parts of the world, as long as someone on the Island (and hence close to the Box) was desiring something. For example, people on the Island among the Others wanted a state-of-the-art fertility specialist to come to the Island, and so is approached by Ethan and Alpert in Florida, who try to recruit her. She tells them that due to her ex-husband she cannot leave, and the only thing that would allow her to join them would be if her ex got hit by a bus. And then, voila! her ex-husband gets hit by a bus the next day, allowing her to leave. This could have resulted from the Box manifesting someone's (on the Island) wishes. Anyway, so far I am half-way through the First Season, and I already have more than 100 possibilities on my list. The ramifications of this concept of the Box on the plotline of Lost is absolutely staggering, if it is such that the Box is an actual THING that may influence reality in such a way as to accomplish these sort of things. For this reason, I believe it is vital to maintain this as a separate entry in Lostpedia, and to keep a very sharp eye on it. Whether it turns out that the Box is a real thing or just a metaphor, this is still a very important concept in the Lost universe. ."--Saukkomies 08:56, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

Logos on Foods?

Did anyone get a good look at the logos on all the food in Ben's house? I couldn't see if they were the generic DHARMA logos or something new. --Doc 08:37, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

They were swan logos Malachi 18:21 22/3/07 GMT

That's kind of odd. I wonder why they didn't use the generic "DHARMA" logo instead. Another interesting (and probably irrelevant) bit of information - in the screen cap of Ben's refrigerator, the two beer cans visible have different labels. The right one has horizontal lines added above and below. --Doc 10:29, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Maybe the Others stole the food from a supply drop? Just a thought.--Berethor222 19:29, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Perhaps the only place on the island that still got food drops from Dharma was The Swan. If the "Others" are actually the "Hostiles" Dharma may have cut off supplies to all other stations but still supplied the Swan so that the button got pushed.

(Answered) Unanswered Questions

  • Why didn't the Others control the button pushing? They clearly weren't monitoring it, and it seems like they would want to be able to control it...

Official Lost Podcast/March 20, 2007 reveals that the Others did not know about the Swan at all, nor about the magnetic anomaly, so I'm takin' this bad boy down. --CastorTroy 09:45, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

While I agree that the question above is answered, the podcast didn't answer everything. The question of what Ben did or did not do during "Lockdown" is still open though. Tom's comments in the jungle seemed to indicate that they knew the Swan had been discovered and opened around the time they caught Michael. And if the Others didn't know about the Swan, the person who left the cigarette at the Pearl must be with someone else. Dharmatel4 10:07, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
Ben discovered what the Swan system did and pushed the button, but in TMFT he let us know that he didn't want people leaving the island. By getting Locke to ignore the Swan button (Alex said he manipilates everyone to do what he wants) the Swan station was destroyed and no one could leave, but it wasn't Ben's fault. -- User:ChicagoRob1 12:23, 23 March 2007 (CST)
I agree with you wholeheartedly, which means that a whole new can of Dharma-brand worms has been opened. --CastorTroy 10:09, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
Was there anything in the Pearl that identified the Swan or it's purpose? The Pearl orientation video stated that the only thing they needed to know was that the subjects believed their work was of the utmost importance. Burt Gummer
The only things at the the Pearl were the video monitor, the orientation tape and the computer that could dump a log from the Swan. There is nothing that discusses the purpose of the Swan. Everything at the Pearl would lead anyone who found it to think that whatever was going on at the Swan was a joke. We don't know that the Others even knew about the Pearl so its difficult to draw a conclusion. Dharmatel4 14:04, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Why does Alex, in Ben's own words, "currently hate him"?

I think it's very clear that Alex knows that Ben was brainwashing/generally abusing Karl, which seems as good a reason as any for a teenage girl to hate her father. --CastorTroy 15:32, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

  • Why does Locke consider living comfortably on the island, being able to leave and having contact with the outside world "cheating"?
    • Because the Others live on the island like tourists? In Locke's view, inhabitants of the island should only live from what the island provides.
      • Maybe he's jealous because he (and the other survivors of Flight 815) had to live like hobos (is that right word?) for ~80 days while the others lived quite comfortably in their barracks.
      • "Cheating" refers to the fight between the survivors and the others. The fight started with uneven premises, giving the others a huge advantage.--messanger 05:20, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Why did Ben allow Michael and Walt to leave the island in the end of season 2 if in this episode he says that allowing Jack and Juliet to leave the island would be a sign of weakness?

Ben tells Michael that he "wasn't happy with the plans made" that involved giving Walt up. In fact, Ben most likely had no influence in making the decision to let Michael and Walt leave, having been imprisoned at the time Michael was given the yellow list. --CastorTroy 08:41, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

falling man

Is there any way to confirm or refute the idea that Locke was the man falling outside of the window during Hurley's interview with his accountant? I guess it would seem unlikely that the meeting would take place in a hotel but it would be a neat Easter egg. --Jackdavinci 02:07, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

I'm fairly sure that's later was mentioned as a suicide by Hurley when listing off the effects of his bad luck. --Blueeagleislander 02:31, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
Only that it would have to be the second time he fell from a building. His first fall was the one in episode 3x13 ("The Man from Tallahassee"), four years before the crash. The scene with the man Hurley saw falling in episode 1x18 ("Numbers") took place less than one year before the crash. You would have to assume that he was unlucky enough to fall from a building a second time in three years and lucky enough to survive the second fall apparently without consequences. -- Cheers (talk) 04:48, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
I knew the Locke fall was 4 years past but I wasn't sure when Hurley's meeting was. Looks like it was shortly before his trip to Australia so that would count that out. Would have been neat tho. --Jackdavinci 19:11, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
Never thought of that. Can't prove at this point but very likely.
Butman 08:27, 22 March 2007 (PDT)Butman

Until it can be proven one way or the other, it is still an unanswered questions. If my eyes serve correctly though, after just viewing the scene, the faller during Hurley's episode is wearing the same color shirt and pants. Then again, this is Lost, so they could just be screwing with us. Also, where is this talk that Hurley's bit was within a year? Where is the official timeline? I'd like to find out how that assumption was made.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   19:15, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Whenever Hurley mentions winning the lottery, he always says, "About a year ago." One specific example I can think of is in the episode Numbers when he's about to tell Charlie why he's going after the French chick. Outpost road 21:58, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Is there a connection between Locke's plummet in this episode and the man who was defenestrated in Numbers outside of Hugo's accountant's office?

It's pretty clear that Hurley won the lottery only a few months to a year before the crash, with his father showing up shortly afterwards. That, in turn, was followed by Hurley's trip to Australia a short while later. The allusion to the box company in Tustin in 3x18 was clearly in reference to the fact that Hurley owned Locke's box company, meaning that Locke was wheelchair-bound when the man fell past Hurley's window. --CastorTroy 08:46, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

However Hurleys winning must have happened b4 Sun recieved her puppy from Jin cause she was watching Hurley with the big check on TV, I think when Jin gave her the puppy. That small puppy was pretty big by the time they left for Korea. Im no expert in dog breeds but that dog looked a few years old by the time she boarded a plane to Australia. I guess it could've been the only dog of the same breed they could find on Hawaii while shooting that ep.

They've said on several occasions that Hurley won the lottery "about a year" before the crash and Locke was paralyzed "four years" before the crash. As far as I'm concerned that settles it. Damon and Carlton I'm suire knew how Locke was paralyzed for years and had the guy fall past the window in season one a another red herring.--Jeff 01:11, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

Submarine = the only way off the Island?

Ben and Locke imply that the submarine is the only remaining way to get off the Island. But we saw Michael in "Live Together, Die Alone" leaving the Island with a simple boat. And the Others still have at least one boat (The Others' yacht, which was seen in "Stranger in a Strange Land")... --Prolinesurfer 10:01, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Don't forget Desmond's sailboat, The Elizabeth.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 10:07, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
You're right. I'm going to add this to the theories page. --Prolinesurfer 10:19, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

I think we shouldnt take anything the others say literally. Maybe Tom believed what Ben told him about the anomolie? which is why he seemed believable talking to Jack during surgery on Ben. I dont trust any of them and i dont think thats the only way. By keeping the belief that the submarine is the only means of escape, Locke is happier and not only the others but the losties are under bens control?. Thats the key here, Bens control. And about the dark meat, classic, lol

Falling through a glass pane realistic?

Do you think it's realistic that a window pane can break that easily? --Prolinesurfer 10:05, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

It can happen. There is a story from January that will tell you more than you want to know about falling out of windows. And the guy involved would seem to be more special than John Locke :)
See [2].
Ok, maybe I forgot that U.S. building law is not as strict as in Germany... ;) --Prolinesurfer 10:36, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
It happened, at least in canada. Also, Mythbusters proved it.
The January 2007 story was actually referenced in the 3/26/2007 podcast.

Piano Music

Does anyone know what song/music was Jack playing on the piano ? - TheAma1 11:09, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

That was an original composition written by LOST composer Michael Giacchino, as stated by Damon Lindelof in the 03/26/07 podcast. Roger 16:45, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

What happened to the pylons?

OK so if the pylons completely circle the barracks one would assume the barracks would have to be land locked. (How would the pylons work under water where you'd just swim over them or as buoys that you could easily swim under?) So how is it so easy for Locke to run to the sub watch appears to be on the open ocean not in a Lagoon that could have an underwater tunnel leading to the ocean. I suppose that maybe Alex showed him a way past the pylons, but come on weak. We should've seen something. I think its a big ol' goof. --J Steel 11:15, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

The Cable map shows the barracks as being inland and circled by the security fence. It also appears to be inland in the views seen in the first episode of the third season. There has to be a pond and an underwater tunnel for the sub. But that doesn't make much sense either because the barracks appears to be at a higher elevation than sea level. That would require a system of locks in addition to an underwater tunnel. I was kind of expecting the submarine dock to be in an underground facility at sea level. As far as being a goof, I think it was more budget constraints and the reality of affordable set design. While the submarine is a great idea, its an idea thats kind of beyond their budgets to show on screen. The scene at the dock in the dark allowed them to show just enough to make the scenes work (including the explosion scene). Dharmatel4 11:39, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
Maybe the Others have remote controls that switch the pylons sensors on and off, or a couple of ladders! Besides, I don't think the fence was intended to stop people - it's just too easy to get past - so it's not a significant worry. But you're right about the sub's location with respect to the barracks, that's a big goof. Mind you, when Locke and Boone first found the Swan hatch, it seemed to be many miles deep into the jungle; in later episodes it takes about 10 minutes to get there from the beach camp. It's not Time that's wonky on the island, it's distance! Burt Gummer

Just a thought, but maybe the pylons are mainly for keeping animals, etc., out; it's quite easily bypassed by Locke, Sayid and Kate. ThirdMan 20:24, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

I don't see the need to use sonic weapons to hold out animals, a simple fence would do fine, the gaps seem to be designed to let animals through, but keep humans out. Or perhaps to keep humans in? seeing as the trees are completely removed on the other side.--Hit and miss 13:19, 25 March 2007 (PDT)

Water near The Barracks?

The view from ATOTC shows there's no water somewhere near the Otherville. How come there's a bay or a lake nearby big enough for a submarine? Asgan 11:56, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

That's....actually a very good question. Is it possible to create an oversight THAT large?--Loki 12:46, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
The Barracks is also considerably above sea level so if its a lake, its connection to the sea is real complicated. It also looks like its a good few miles from the coast. The best explaination would be something like a submarine pen just big enough for the sub, but they dock they showed doesn't fit that. The whole thing looks like a big continuity mistake. Dharmatel4 13:57, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
It's a very odd oversight. From Danielle's map it looks like the crater is practically on a peninsula by itself, so it's pretty close to the water, but the barracks is clearly on the inside edge of the crater and so a good walk at least from the ocean or any inland lake. Unless they just didn't show us a good part of the walk it seems very strange. But the Lost people haven't been very careful about things like this, despite courting the freeze framer crowd.
Also, in the episode with the pylon things, didnt it appear that the pylons had lots of trees on the outside, but hardly any on the inside with the barracks? if so why isnt this visible on the view seen at the start of the series - view Ian42 13:11, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

Is it just me or does it seem weird that whenever they hike somewhere important and the writers need to tell the audience something important journeys to anywhere take ages, usually needing the setting up of a campsite, and a change from day to night, but when the journey isnt important it takes nowhere near as long - like from the Barracks to the submarine! Ian42 13:11, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

pictures of kids

....at ben´s house, he was watching the pictures of two kids, a boy and a girl, while locke was eating some chicken.... who are they?--Fuzter lost 13:17, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Most likely Karl and Alex. -Mr.Leaf 13:19, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
I think it's just Alex. The two pictures on the right clearly show Tania, and the b/w picture must be hers but of a much younger age (5-6 I'd say) Asgan 13:48, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Whiskey Offer

Could someone please reconfirm that Cooper did NOT offer the whiskey to Locke? My memory is that the whiskey was offered but Locke refused to take it. Thanks! Belle42 13:44, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

  • There wasn't really an offer...he poured two glasses, but there was no offering or refusal. Bellemichelle 13:46, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
    • Anthony did gesture a glass to Locke, he just didn't accept it. Blackannis 19:24, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Walt and Micheal

So if the submarine was the only way of leaving the island, Walt and Michael will not manage to leave the island by boat? The Others captured Desmond's boat, but do not mention it as a way of leaving the island. BeŻet 13:57, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

  • Because the boat is gone and so is no longer a means to leave the island. Also, the deal made with Michael was for the boat and how to leave the island. Good luck piloting a short range beachcraft to safety across the Pacific Ocean. Absalom 06:01, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
    • But there still is a bout, Desmond's bout. BeŻet 09:34, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Didn't ben say that they would find rescue, as in a big boat or something? or one of those vile vortices or something... --Sekhmort 07:43, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

Sayid's bag

"[...] and Locke is further incriminated when Kate and Sayid discover C4 in Locke's backpack" - Par Avion

Later, Locke is cuffed in an industrial room when Ben and Richard enter. - The Man from Tallahassee

Locke: "[...] That's why you left the C4 in Sayid's bag." - The Man from Tallahassee

Okay, so there must have been a magical transfer from Locke's bag to Sayids'. Plus: John seems to loose his bag on the way into Ben's room. And Ben can't have planned, to equipe Locke with some C4 to destroy the submarine. That's strange. --Helix 06:27, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

I assumed that Sayid took away the C4 when he discovered Locke with it. But it was kind of weird for Ben to claim he manipulated Locke into blowing up the sub when Locke planned to even before he went into Ben's room. --Jackdavinci 20:01, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Ben didn't manipulate Locke to blow up the submarine. If Ben had told Locke he wanted him to blow up the submarine right away, Locke wouldn't have done it. So Ben made Locke believe it was only Locke's own idea and that it would hurt Ben.--messanger 05:10, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
Allright, then please explain to me the difference between "manipulate" and "make believe", because I don't see it. Ben and Locke explicitly talk about Locke getting the explosives from the station. And later in the epsiode everything is carefully planned by Ben? How is this matching? --Helix 06:27, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
Perhaps you are reading too much into the manipulation. Personally, I think a great deal of Ben's ability to manipulate isn't because he typically runs long cons, but rather because he is an expert at reading people and understanding their motivations. When he discovered Locke had taken C4 from the station (because it was found in the bag), he could have easily put two and two together, and in order to encourage that plan of action, started pushing for the opposite. He seems to be a master of turning the situation in his favor rather than being omniscient. (Take his captivity in the hatch for example) Absalom 08:07, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

I presume the manipulation was the fact that if Ben had wanted the sub to remain in one peice he could of stoped Locke's plans (not let him get the C4 or Get his "other" friends to capture him). However when he realised this to be benificial he let Locke continue. Though its a bit silly to call this true manipulation. Unless, Ben put the idea into Locke's head at the Flame, (through the computers message??) or with some choice reading material, Quite unlikely though.

Yeah I think the manipulation was not in getting Locke to blow up the sub per se since that was already his plan. The manipulation was in making him (and the other Others) think that Ben wanted to stop him and couldn't prevent it.--Jackdavinci 10:05, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
Ben was manipulating Locke on multiple levels. What he was really doing was working to bring Locke over to his point of view and to show Locke that his (Ben's) goals and Locke's goals were not all that different.
  • At first he plays up Locke's view of himself. If you destroy the submarine you will hurt me. This makes Locke feel powerful and strong even though he isn't.
  • Then he changes it up to say "if you destroy the sub all you will accomplish is keeping Jack on the island"
  • Then he admits that keeping Jack on the island was his goal too and thanks Locke for making it possible. He plays up to Locke's sense of destiny by saying that his coming out of the jungle at the time he did was almost a miracle (for Ben). He turns Locke's intentions from an "I" to a "we". Also, in (falsely) bringing Locke into his confidence about leadership issues, he is trying to create a level of false trust.
  • The whole time he is playing Locke is he preparing to unleash his big suprise (Cooper) on him.
  • But at every step Ben is carefully making Locke knowingly responsible for the consequences of everything he does. In doing so, Jack will hold Locke responsible for his not getting off the island.
The submarine was always secondary and incidential in everything that was going on. What Locke did was helpful to Ben, but if Locke had backed down he would not have considered it a disaster. Ben's real goals were to get Locke to a point where he would no longer see Ben as an enemy. Dharmatel4 10:58, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Thank you all for your considerations and explanations. I think im getting the manipulation-thing better now. But there is still one question left: When Locke says to Ben: "[...] That's why you left the C4 in Sayid's bag, because you wanted me to make it happen.", I still don't see the possibility for Ben to put the C4 out of Sayids bag. This just an error, or am I getting this wrong? --Helix 13:23, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

I think Locke is just assuming something. Your right in that there is no way Ben could have given any order concerning the bags or the C4. Locke is buying into Ben's manipulation by thinking that Ben was helping him with the sub when in fact Ben is doing nothing of the kind. Dharmatel4 14:11, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

The Submarine

If the submarine is a one-way ticket, then where do they get all their new submarines? Because when they travel away from the island, the submarine will be lost to the outside world, right? And I guess they do travel away from the island from time to time? Or is this the first time they were going to use it?

Normaly the sub would return by locating the signals sent out from the island. However, Ben states that since the hatch incident (failsafe/hatch went boom) they have lost all communication with the outside world, making it impossible to guide the Sub back. Now as to why the sub can't find the place on its own...that is an unanswered question.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   20:00, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Ah, I forgot that. But this means they were going to give away one of (probably) few transportation means they have only to get Jack off the island. Because they would not get the sub back until the beacon starts emitting again, which at least according to Ben will never happen. ("when that sub leaves, they can never come back")

Did Locke blow up the sub?

So, there's been some speculation because of Locke seeming to appear wet. His shirt could have just been wet from sweat like Jack's - were his pants wet too? Obviously something exploded, but we don't see the sub itself explode, we just see an explosion. Could it have been a ruse? --Jackdavinci 20:05, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

So I just went over to abc and I'm watching that scene again. Yes, His pants are soaked. More so than I caught the first time around. He may have very well been completely underwater from the way he looks. Gonna check out the sub scene, get some screneshots and I'll post the links to everyone to see.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   20:15, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

I couldn't get a good shot but if you've got a good net connection stroll over to abc and just click your way to this portion of the episode and watch the scene where Locke walks back up the dock right before the explosion. His pants and shirt are soaked, as if he was completely submerged in water. To my eyes, and I'm no expert, it looks like the explosion was indeed centered on the dock itself. I tried my best to make the links work but when I uploaded they just came out black. (Possible security device by abc???) I recommed reviewing the scene if your net connection allows. It really has made me second guess what I thought occured.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   20:28, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Yes, it indeed looks like the explosion is coming from the center of the end of the dock, and mostly burning planks seem to fly out of the explosion. This is seen when doing frame-by-frame analasys of the video. And it also seems the top of the sub is not visible next to the dock anymore before or during the explosion. It was clearly visible in the previous scene where Alex and John were watching the dock. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MiF86 (talk • contribs), 03:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

There's a good chance that he needed to go under water to plant the C4. I wouldn't look too deep into his clothes being wet or not. Probably nothing of real concern. I say just go along with it, and if it turns out he didn't blow up the sub, then we will probably find out about it. It won't be something the producers will keep us in the dark about. ~GREG

Sorry, but what about everything said by Ben near the end of the episode, thanking Locke for giving him the chance to stop Jack's leaving without killing him? Andreapasotti, 15:45, 25 March 2007

Maybe the weird explosion is an artifact of the limitation on production budgets for the episode? Blowing up a prop submarine would've looked silly (lots of splinter wood). A real submarine blowing up might also be mostly a "water blast". If you look back at old WW2 footage of ships being hit by mines or torpedos or even penetrating bombs (like C4 being planted inside the sub) the explosion tends to be a water blast followed by a tremendous amount of black, thick oily smoke. Then the ship tends to break apart and sink with secondary explosions as the flames reach the magazines and fuel (presumably there are no magazines aboard this sub). That's an expensive bit of special effect to recreate on a TV drama budget.--Rjtalbot 11:53, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

Michael's Deal vs. Jack's Deal

As to the unanswered question above: it seems quite obvious to me. The deal with Michael was not made BY Ben. With Jack, Jack clearly tricked, trapped, and one upped Ben and his escape would be a real blow to his status. With Michael, he loses no face and - in fact - gains cred: he is seen to be honorable by his people by upholding the deal THEY made, making them more likely to believe him in the future. And, it's clear that his people's faith in him and his illusion is critical for control. Absalom 06:06, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Connection with Hurley

I'm not sure but I think that in one episode from 2nd season whith Hurley's retrospections, Hurley sitting in office or in something ;) and behind the window was man falling down he might be Lock. And sorry for my english. I hope I'm understadable :). Borkowicz 13:45, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

No, it was some sort of skyscraper, a business building. And the falling man was a guy in a suit. BeŻet 14:02, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
The timing is also all wrong. Hurley didn't win the lottery that long ago. Dharmatel4 14:12, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
I think it's safe to say that the guy who fell past Hurley's financial advisor's office window was NOT Locke, it was just there to reinforce Hurley's belief that he was cursed. As Dharmatel4 said, Hurley didn't win the lottery that long ago, and he was already the owner of the box company that Locke and Randy were working at. Blackannis 19:29, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
It was in a different location (Hurley was in a city), not to mention they were further up than Locke was and the person falling was face down, whereas Locke was facing up. In addition, Hurley won the lottery a year or so before the crash, whereas Locke fell 4 years prior.

Jack's new pal Tom

Did anyone else notice Tom letting Jack know that the room where they were holding Kate was bugged? I was thinking that he might have been the one who was going to pilot the sub and therefore be going home too (as he supposedly would have been unable to return). He certainly seemd in a very good mood during the daytime, much as Juliet and Jack were.

Trivia section may need revision

It seems that Locke calls Ben a "Pharisee" and not "Phorisey" as is stated. The use of "Pharisee" is more fitting anyhow because he is accusing Ben of being hypocritical. --Frenkmelk 08:26, 24 March 2007 (PDT)

This guy's right--treypluslsd 08:40, 24 March 2007 (PDT)

I added an extended explaination of what Locke meant by the term and moved it into the article. Its too big an issue for the trivia section. Dharmatel4 10:16, 24 March 2007 (PDT)


Fair enough, my background is more scientific than religious. Although Ben may be leeching of the life force of others.

Okay, I started this debate, and I have to chime in again on this one. The context in which Locke calls Ben a Pharisee is likely to refer to him as a hypocrite, simply put. It makes sense in the theme and tone of his accusations towards Ben and is a parsimonious and straightforward connotation of that term. The edits may be reading a bit too far into it. But that is my mere assessment. --Frenkmelk 00:56, 25 March 2007 (PDT)

He calls him a hypocrite directly I think. Using the term Pharisee to me implies something else. Locke sees the island in religious terms and when I heard him use the term, I took a very specific meaning from it. The edits have already been cut back, but I think its necessary to preserve the idea Locke is using the term in a sense of religious duty toward the island. But if you want to suggest alternative language, thats ok with me. Dharmatel4 14:12, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

Florist

Can anyone devise the name and logo of the florist? Something's not right with that name: Tustin... Kaneh? -. Grillage .- 22:41, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

  • From here and subsequent caps it's clear it's TUSTIN RANCH FLORIST. Tustin Ranch is a suburb of Los Angeles.--Jackdavinci 23:11, 27 March 2007 (PDT)
Thanks. I haven't seen a HD version of the image so far. Also, it seems not to have any importance, after all. - -. Grillage .- 16:33, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

The Wharf and The Dock's Location

From the cabling map, I see what I assumed to be a road coming into to barrack from the north east and ending in a large circular round-about like thing. Since there are no roads in the Barracks this is likely wrong. Perhaps this is the wharf. It looks to be about three of the pylons accross from the cabling map and having looked at stills of the previous episode, that could be far enough to make what we saw true. Trees blocked our view of how wide it was and the canal leading away from it would have looked like it was longer that it is. (Marcusjh 03:31, 25 March 2007 (PDT))

Its likely the roads are simply grown over after at least a decade of no mantainence. There was also supposedly a road to the swan. A lake and the barracks and a canal with lcoks going down to sea level is a possibility. Dharmatel4 16:04, 25 March 2007 (PDT)

Expose reference

Other than it saying that Locke is watching a show about the Bolivian gold theft and the Cobra and such, shouldn't the triva entry be more vague as to who appears on the show, since it's not revealed until the following episode? For newer viewers and such who are slowly catching up and don't want to be spoiled. Just a thought. --Jeff 01:06, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

  • Viewers who haven't caught up on the show shouldn't really read Lostpedia lol. Being able to reference hints about later plot developments that were put into earlier episodes is a big part of this wiki. It would be too cumbersome to place that sort of limit. Spoiler alerts are just for episodes that haven't aired yet in the U.S. --Jackdavinci 11:06, 31 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Yep. I agree, when I watch old episodes and read up on them here I like knowing which future episodes are referenced. This however is why as a UK viewer I have between Sunday night and Wednesday night to use Lostpedia. Small sacrifice.--Laika 06:13, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

Falling from the 7th floor

And this just in: formerly famous TV hostess falls from the 7th 8th (just confirmed) floor in São Paulo, Brazil, and won't even need surgery. Source: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/ilustrada/ult90u70288.shtml

Ben's Pictures

I reckon the pictures on Ben's living room wall could be pretting telling. Specifically a painting that looks a little amateurish - like an islander did it - of a woman in a white dress in tropical surroundings. She seems to be holding some kind of animal - like a possum or a loris: my.php?image=snapshot20070416174955xx2.png Anyone up to looking more closely at the pictures?Huangdi 16 April 2007

  • At first glance, it looks like Ben's mother. JoelVanAtta 21:34, 22 May 2007 (PDT)

Large Spool of Twine

At 31:52, there is a large spool of twine clearly visible sticking out of Locke's pack while he is on the sub. I don't know if it significant by itself, but along with Locke being soaking wet, it seems there may be more to the sub explosion than has been revealed so far.--Eyeful Tower 15:03, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

Anthony Cooper getting to the Island

In Access Granted on the season 3 blu-ray DVDs, the producers say that the Others staged an auto accident to kidnap Cooper and bring him to the Island. Cooper's story as he told it was true. The general question about how the Others travel to/from the Island are still open. Dharmatel4 19:26, 21 January 2008 (PST)

Last Man Standing????

Why does the phrase Last Man Standing link to this article?-- Orhan94  Talk  Contribs  11:24, 1 July 2008 (PDT)

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