Contents 1 Names at 108 Degrees? 2 Font used on the wheel. 3 Rename 4 Backward text 5 Unknown Station? 6 Lighthouse Wheel 6.1 Wheel rename:Dial 7 Talk from "The Lighthouse Wheel" 8 Merging? 9 Renaming: The Lighthouse Compass 10 Constructed By Jacob? 11 Names Visible On Wheel 12 Jack Trivia 13 Um...Candidates? 14 MYST 15 Tower architecture, from Hurley's arm notes

Names at 108 Degrees? Edit

At 34:15 into the episode, when Hurley tells Jack to let him know when it hits 108, we see the dial speeping past a big "110". So far as I can tell, the name at 108 is crossed out, and is "WAllACe" (the 'l' and 'e' are lower-case, the rest upper-case). I might be wrong about the 'C', but that's how I see it.

I did a search for Wallace here, and found the reference to it, but not on the Lighthouse page. Seems like an important omission.

Font used on the wheel. Edit

The font used on wheel looks very modern, too. It seems to be Copperplate, which was released 1901. But I would say it's only a prop decision and nothing important. --ElSchlaefero 11:16, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

RenameEdit

• Why is Lighthouse written with a capital L? --LOST-Hunter61 13:17, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• 'm not sure what our style guide says about this. The Temple is also capitalized, but I suspect that might be an artifact of when it was thought to be a Dharma station. Looking at other island locations, there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the capitalization - for example, "The Tunnels" "The Incident Room" "Processing Center" "Pala Ferry". The key *should* be whether it's a descriptive compound noun or a proper one. I would vote for this being a purely descriptive noun, and agree it shouldn't be capitalized. But that means there's a lot of other descriptive location names, some examples already given, that also shouldn't be capitalized (note that on wikis the convention is to always capitalize the *first* word in any article title). But maybe we should address all at the same time: Talk:Portal:Locations#Capitalization--Jackdavinci 08:00, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
• Rename to Jacob's lighthouse. The show has twice now referred to it as "Jacob's lighthouse". ("Dr. Linus")  ("The Package") Whoever's lighthouse it originally was (if it wasn't Jacob's), it doesn't matter, and it certainly isn't theirs anymore anyway. Jacob adopted it for his own use, so it's valid and appropriate to call it his lighthouse. This is the obvious context in which it has been presented to us in the show. -- Graft   talk   contributions  19:00, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
• - Yes, rename to Jacob's lighthouse. I thought about proposing this after Jack referred to it as such in 6x07, but now he has referred to it twice I think we should rename.--Baker1000 19:04, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
• Just because characters call it that doesn't mean that it's the proper name. How many times have we heard the Barracks called New Otherton, or the Swan called the Hatch? Shall we change their names as well despite knowing they are the only locations in the Island? I see little reason other than "Jack said it so it is so". --LOST-The Cartographer 19:22, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
• Yes. It clearly belongs to jacob. --Avindratalkcontribs email  06:14, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
• The Statue hasn't been renamed "Jacob's statue"--Gonzalo84 02:56, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
• It should stay as "The Lighthouse" because we have no knowledge of it being owned by Jacob. Also, even if it is 'Jacob's Lighthouse' the article should still remain as The Lighthouse. We don't call the statue "Jacob's Statue", we don't call the temple "The Others' Temple".... Doughnutguy 17:25, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
• There's only one lighthouse revealed so far on the Island. "Lighthouse" works just fine. Jacob already has a zillion pages associated with him. One compromise might be to link "Jacob's lighthouse" to the lighthouse page or vs versa. Spiral77 04:24, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
• There's no point, it's a lighthouse. Unless we learn MiB has a lighthouse too, we don't need to change it. Msett 15:49, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
• No point to renaming, we all know who it belongs to.--Frakkin Toaster 08:10, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
• It's just pointless. --Sipio 10:46, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
• The Lighthouse was most likely built BEFORE Jacob. So it's not his. Jacob only took housing in it. Unless the MIB has a lighthouse, or anybody else, the name doesn't need to be changed. --AaronCochrane 19:31, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
• It helps differ THIS lighthouse from the episode titled "Lighthouse". --  Blackout0189    talk    contribs    email   02:02, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

No, the word THE differs it, the episode title is simply "Lighthouse" not "The Lighthouse". if someone refers to this episode as The Lighthouse they are completely incorect and thats there problem not ours. We dont just slap the word the on one worded episode titles. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  02:26, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

• No need, particularly when there is no other lighthouse from which we need to differentiate it.--Michaelprocton 05:03, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Backward textEdit

Inscribed above the lighthouse reflector: seus siyd dadru oyt ube cafru oyt on wohsi. Read backwards, it says "I show not your face but your daddy issues."

• Really? --LOST-Hunter61 16:42, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah, I saw that too. It must be a joke - let's delete it. Gleslie10 16:45, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • Done --LOST-Hunter61 16:52, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Unknown Station?Edit

Maybe I'm just wikistupid, but The Lighthouse isn't claiming to be a redirect to another page. However the Theories tab calls it "Unknown Station" instead of "The Lighthouse". The theories on that page seem to have little to do with The Lighthouse seen in season 6, and more to do with a now exposed mystery of an "unknown Dharma station". Anyone know how to fix? Mslade 17:41, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think I know why! See, unknown station redirects to The Lamp Post. However, so did The Lighthouse since people thought that may be the name of it briefly. Evidently the theory page wasn't changed right. --Golden Monkey 17:44, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Lighthouse WheelEdit

I think calling the wheel a "protractor" is a mistake. A protractor is a tool used for measuring the number of degrees in an angle. This is not. Yes, it is circular and has degree marks, but it doesn't "measure" anything. The degrees are used to designate a bearing, like a compass. I think that "wheel" is more appropriate or even "dial." But whatever its called, "wheel" "protractor"and "dial" it should be consistent - which, right now, it is not - not on this page, or on the Lighthouse Wheel page. --LOSTinDC 18:49, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

It measures the angle of the mirrors compared to ???. If it weren't there and you wanted to point the mirrors at a certain degree offset from ???, you might (hypothetically, obviously) put a giant clear plastic protractor over the base, align 0 with whatever direction ??? is, and determine the angle of the mirror. I think protractor fits, but "dial" might be a better fit (personal preference).Mslade 20:23, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Back in the Navy, *scratching my ex-Natigator head* we used to call them bearing rings. Jstueve 20:56, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

I prefer either "wheel" or "dial." Not "protractor." -- Managerpants  Contribs  Talk  21:04, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wheel rename:DialEdit

• I vote for Dial as the designated term. It's accurate as both a noun (marks degrees & does not spin as in "sun dial") and as a verb ("dialed in to the Kwon Wedding").Slingstone 03:28, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

According to wikipedia, the thing which rotates a lighthouse light is the "clockwork(s)". Normal lighthouses don't have notations on the clockwork base to aim it at a specific bearing. Those notations are generally called a "compass rose" which refers to the pattern independently of whether it's on an actual compass, or a map, or whatever. A protractor is used for actually measuring degrees, not for indicating a bearing - closer would be a goniometer - an instrument that either measures angle or allows an object to be rotated to a precise angular position - in the latter case it's called a positioning goniometer or goniometric stage. To recap: The object is a lighthouse clockwork, the circular part is a stage wheel which functions as a positioning goniometer or goniometric stage, and the pattern inscribed into it is a compass rose. I think the platform itself is best referred to as the "mirror stage wheel" and the pattern as just the "compass" or perhaps "beacon and candidate compass". --Jackdavinci 00:21, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Talk from "The Lighthouse Wheel"Edit

The two pages were merged and the Wheel/Compass/Protractor/Alidade is currently being called "the Dial." Any further discussion should continue here. Slingstone 04:24, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Merging?Edit

• No, I don't think it's better to have them seperate. Also the Frozen wheel is not merged with The Orchid or The Discharge. It's a thing of Jacob's candidates, just like the page candidates or Cliffside cave.--Station7 07:30, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• I agree with Station7 for now, though it may prove prudent to move it later if the only narrative function of The Lighthouse is this area/machine at the top. Slingstone 09:03, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• There is a completely different mythology behind the wheel (e.g. its function and the names) and the lighthouse as a structure (who built it?, who uses it?). Zmost22 13:05, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• The function of the lighthouse is directly tied to that of the wheel. The lighthouse itself would be useless without it, so I think they should be merged. Maxpower212 13:38, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• , the information can be easily dealt with on one page, and the protractor is an integral part of the lighthouse. --LOST-Hunter61 13:45, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• The structure of the lighthouse or any lighthouse is to house it's mechanism. They are one thing, the structure has little interest but for what it contains. Further, as amatter of sheer convenience all the material of the two objects can easily be accomodated in one pagee limiting unnecessary jumping between pages and the need to make a choice, which might be obscure, until the page is reached Charles Kane 13:54, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• Of course it should be merged, it's the same structure, the same place, and this wheel and the lighthouse as a whole have a same purpose, one can't completely function without the other, and this information can be cleary presented in one single page. Illuminatuz 15:12, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• The lighthouse itself merits little discussion aside from the lighthouse wheel at the top. --LOSTinDC 18:52, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• For all the reasons stated above. -- Managerpants  Contribs  Talk  21:00, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• Reasons above. The structure houses the wheel and protractor. This is not the case with the Frozen Wheel and the Orchid. The wheel was reached through the Orchid, but not part of it, and could be reached through other means such as the well. And the Discharge wasn't even caused by the wheel, it just looked similar.--Baker1000 21:04, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• As previously mentioned, this article needs to be on its own, for the same reasons that Frozen wheel is it's own article.-- Steele  talk  contribs  21:05, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• For many reasons stated above. Seems silly to have this page separate from the main Lighthouse page, because there's nothing else in the Lighthouse of interest. Station7 makes the point that the Frozen Wheel is separate from the Wheel Chamber, but the Wheel Chamber had a lot of interesting things in it: hieroglyphics, an oil lantern, and a well. Also, interesting things happened in there other than the turning of the wheel, i.e., when Locke finds out he's been talking to Jack's dead father. However, at this point, there's no reason to think the Lighthouse has any significance outside of the Wheel/Protractor. BTW - Can someone just look up what exactly this kind of device in a lighthouse is called? And for anyone who cares, I cleaned up the language of the article a bit to make it more clear and consistent with the level of information we have on the Lighthouse thus far.--Clever Specific 22:12, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• We know that the frozen wheel was buried underground for centuries before the Dharma Initiative built the Orchid. But we have no reason to believe that the Lighthouse Wheel was there before the lighthouse, or that the lighthouse had a different function before the wheel was instealled, or anything of the sort. And with only a dozen episodes left, most of what we are being shown on the show is probably what it looks like. Merge. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 22:16, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• I think for now the Lighthouse and the "Lighthouse Wheel" seem intertwined and I doubt we'll get too much more information on them this late in the game to warrant a separate article. That is, Lighthouse Wheel = part of Lighthouse and doesn't differentiate itself enough. Donkey Wheel was clearly a separate entity from the Orchid; the Orchid was just built over/near it.--Dretzle 22:19, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• Unnecessary page. --LOST-The Cartographer 22:32, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• Best as subsection of Lighthouse. Unlike frozen wheel, which was not actually part of the Dharma station is was next to. --Jackdavinci 00:27, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
• Just makes sense to keep these together. —Josiah Rowe 00:52, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
• It's part of the lighthouse. Keep them together. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 03:33, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Renaming: The Lighthouse CompassEdit

• It's not really a wheel at all, despite its shape. Like a compass, it measures or marks degrees. If we can't agree on that, perhaps we can use the technical term of "Lantern Room" to describe the top area of the lighthouse. Slingstone 09:03, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • If anything, it's called a protractor --LOST-Hunter61 13:42, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• I think calling the wheel a "protractor" is a mistake. A protractor is a tool used for measuring the number of degrees in an angle. This is not. Yes, it is circular and has degree marks, but it doesn't "measure" anything. The degrees are used to designate a bearing, like a compass. I think that "wheel" is more appropriate or even "dial." But whatever its called, "wheel" "protractor" or "dial" it should be consistent - which, right now, it is not - not on this page, or on the Lighthouse page. --LOSTinDC 18:51, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• The object is a lighthouse clockwork, the circular part is a stage wheel which functions as a positioning goniometer or goniometric stage, and the pattern inscribed into it is a compass rose (which is a specific kind of dial). --Jackdavinci 00:30, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Constructed By Jacob?Edit

• Do we have any reason to believe this was actually built by Jacob? Most of the tools and technology we see him using on the Island are bronze age at the latest. Slingstone 09:03, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
• Maybe I missed a line of dialogue - was there anything to indicate directly that Jacob built the lighthouse (as the infobox says)? TheHYPO 15:42, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • I had to type something in.--Station7 15:53, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
    • It's been changed to "Unknown" Slingstone 23:05, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Names Visible On WheelEdit

• Am hesitant to edit the page but here are the names visible on the wheel, please feel free to add them to the page:

4 Locke 5 Goodspeed 8 Reyes 10 Mattingley 13 Beckett 14 Pryce 15 Ford 16 Jarrah 17 Barnes 18 Kueffier 19 Nguyen 20 Rousseau 21 Metteary 22 Moorhead 23 Shephard 24 Kluxea 25 Asher 26 Bozarth 27 Dorrit 28 Holland 31 Tomson 32 Rutherford 33 Novak 34 Grimaldi 35 Brennan 36 Syzmanksi 37 Torres 38 Lindstrom 39 Morton 40 Dowsen 41 Raine 42 Kwon 43 Barnes 44 Martinez 48 Grasmere 51 Austen 54 Olarti 55 Kennedy 90 Troup 95 Polleth 96 Greese 97 Kallison 98 Horton 99 Goodson 100 Bradfield 101 Faraday 102 Montand 103 Horsman 104 Lewis 105 Emma 106 S Radzinsky 107 Hyamson 108 Wallace 109 Friendly 110 Caesar 111 Stein 112 Horton 113 Worden 114 Yamada 115 Bargas 116 Lambert 117 Linus 118 Chavez 119 Almeida 120 Rodriguez 121 Nicholson 122 Freed 123 Clay 124 Dawson 125 Owens 126 Nenti 127 Mora 128 Paddock 135 Reynolds 171 Straume 195 Pace 222 O'Toole 238 Jones 291 Domingo 313 Littleton 317 Cunningham 346 Grant --NicoleL88 12:41, February 24, 2010 (UTC)NicoleL88

• This is dealt with on the Candidates page, your usefull comments go better on the talkpage there --LOST-Hunter61 13:41, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

According to pictures from the LOST Auction Site, http://www.profilesinhistory.com/items/season-6/dial-mechanism-mirror-array-from-the-lighthouse.html especially this high-res pic: http://www.profilesinhistory.com/components/com_mtree/img/listings/o/41074.jpg there is a much more detailed listing of the wheel names for Numbers 1-31 (32 & 33 are only partially shown) and Numbers 355-360. Numbers in [brackets] are those already listed, above.

1 Sullivan 2 Lacombe 3 Grobler [4 Locke] [5 Goodspeed] 6 Jensen 7 Enright [8 Reyes] 9 Gunn [10 Mattingley] 11 Lee 12 Foster [13 Beckett] [14 Pryce] [15 Ford] [16 Jarrah] [17 Barnes] [18 Kueffier] [19 Nguyen] [20 Rousseau] [21 Metteary] [22 Moorhead] [23 Shephard] [24 Kluxea] [25 Asher] [26 Bozarth] [27 Dorrit] [28 Holland] 29 M------- (unclear) 30 V-----/W----- (unclear) [31 Tomson] [32 Rutherford] [33 Novak]

355 Young 356 M----ck/H----ck (unclear) 357 N------- (unclear) 358 King 359 Gilbert 360 Fisher

--Ncmacasl 15:41, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Jack TriviaEdit

I'm confused by this statement: "The wheel has only shown three houses, one of which was a home lived in by Jack only when he was a child, which appears to be the home his mom and dad would still be living through his adulthood if fate/Jacob/MIB hadn't intervened." Maybe I missed something, but how did Jacob/MIB intervene in Jack's life to cause his parents not to live in that house? Anyways, I'm deleting the second half of this sentence as it is theory and not based in fact. --LOSTinDC 14:32, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

• In the sentence he's making a reference to the Flashsideways Timeline. He assumes in the Original Timeline that fate/Jacob/MiB... aka something intervened. Whatever made the change to make the flashsideways timeline, it seems to have those elements missing. So yes, it's theory and not fact yet, so probably better to say "which appears to be the home his mom and dad were living at in the flashsideways timeline" (if that's true, I didn't pay careful enough attention). Flashsideways has been officially picked up by the producers as the reference to the other timeline where the plane didn't crash. --Dretzle 22:15, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Um...Candidates?Edit

Nowhere is it said during the show that the people on the Lighthouse wheel are Candidates. We have no idea why the names were there yet. I wish people on this website wouldn't jump to conclusions so darn quickly. We don't know if they're candidates, we don't know why Jacob was watching them. None of this has been revealed, so any information suggesting Lighthouse names are candidates is purely assumption and fan theory, and should be removed from these articles immediately. -- Xbenlinusx 08:35, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

There's overlap between the cave list and this, though, down to the names crossed out on each. So I think it's a safe assumption that they are. --Golden Monkey 20:37, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Amazingly, I haven't thought about that until Xbenlinusx mentioned. And it's true, it wasn't mentioned on the show that those are actually the exact same names on numbers that are in the cave. But the text is not affirming that they are the exact same names, it is just saying that there is a correlation between the names on the disc and those on the cave. Illuminatuz 22:20, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Wow how do you not catch stuff like that? The numbers and names are the same in both places (from what we saw anyways). It appears that the names written in the cave were copied by someone from the lighthouse.

Assumption is fan theory. Don't assume anything. I'm fixing this. -- Xbenlinusx 07:15, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Reasonable common sense assumptions are not theory. 1 + 1 still equals 2 even if the show doesn't explicitly For example, we don't really know the cave list is for candidates either, MIB could easily be lying about it. It's silly to have the long table in multiple places. The cave list and the lighthouse list need to be on the same page. If you want to call them something else feel free, but they should only be on one article page. --Jackdavinci 23:36, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

MYSTEdit

Hi Everyone, I'm new to Lostpedia. I would like to bring up that the Lighthouse seems like a great allusion to the game MYST, which is discussed in other parts of this Wiki. In the game, There is a level where the player needs to look out of an old telescope (like the one jack used to smash the mirrors) to find the location of a lighthouse. The player marks the compass degree of the lighthouse, then uses that number on a puzzle - the degree heading corresponds to a button the player must push on a large circular compass rose. While I don't believe MYST has any bearing on the plot of Lost, this circumstance seemed very similar - lighthouse, compass rose with different effects based upon the degree at which it was set, old telescope. Also, MYST is about being trapped on a mysterious island, trying to figure out what's going on by exploring, strange locations & technologies, untrustworthy 'others', etc. Mmca 08:24, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Tower architecture, from Hurley's arm notes Edit

• I thought it would be fitting to add the tower dimensions to the "architecture" field on the main article. On Hurley's arm it says "stone tower 88ft 4 levels of spiral stairs". Interesting when you take note of the numbers, too. The upper room containing the firebowl and mirrors is technically the 5th level, so I assume the notes were indicating the four levels of stairs they had to climb. Plus, if Jacob had counted the top then he wouldn't get to use the number 4 lol. --Cpt cannibal 11:49, February 26, 2010 (UTC)