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Can anyone think of any other sections that would be useful for this article? --Nickb123 08:24, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- It should be noted that Locke has intentionally or otherwise seen more secrets of The Swan (and The Pearl among others) than any other character. 1: Door map; 2: Near system failure; 3: Complete system failure. He has been the stalwart "button pusher" also. НародныйАртист 08:44, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- Done a little editing to mention it --Nickb123 10:52, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
You could add something about Desmond, Kelvin and Radsinski --Peephole 02:20, 8 June 2006 (PDT)
Idea
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Would it be okay if I made each 'Visited/Aware of, etc.' message a link that takes you to the episode the character first visited the location? I think it could be a really cool idea, and you can mention it above the chart. --SilvaStorm
- That sounds like a damned good idea.--NotARedHerring 11:53, 27 September 2006 (PDT)
- Sounds like a good idea: an idea (nothing to do with the table) I had is to have this page by character, not station. That way, we could address exactly when or how the character has visited or has knowledge of the station, for example:
Hurley
Hurley first visited the Swan in Orientation, and has gone back frequently throughout season two. This is the only hatch he has ever visited.
Hurley has knowledge of two other hatches. The first is the Arrow, which he knows about due to the fact he took Bernard's radio which was found there. The second is the Staff, due to the fact that he heard when Kate mentioned it in Live Together, Die Alone.
>: 4 8 15 16 23 42 08:24, 19 November 2006 (PST)
The Door
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Sun and Jin are aware of The Door's existence, correct? In that case, shouldn't they be listed on the chart as having done so?
- We don't know if Sayid has told them or not. They wouldn't be able to see it from the Elizabeth.--CaptainInsano 11:54, 27 September 2006 (PDT)
- Not even the door itself, though? It's a pretty big door, isn't it?--NotARedHerring 17:33, 27 September 2006 (PDT)
- We don't know if Sayid has told them or not. They wouldn't be able to see it from the Elizabeth.--CaptainInsano 11:54, 27 September 2006 (PDT)
Cindy and Aaron
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If Cindy has been kidnapped by the Others, she might be aware of the door. Could Someone add this? Could Aaron be added to the table as well? He has been in the Staff and the Swan. --Blue eagle islander 20:26, 27 September 2006 (PDT)
Desmond
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Given the label of this article (station explorers), I suggest to keep it general for all valuable explorers to be added, rather than just Flight 815 survivors. For instace, we really need to add a reference to Desmond, given his long experience of the Swan, and extensive experience of the DHARMA stations' equipment, which he acquired from Inman (as noting to Locke that the computers can be used in communications as well) Also he has been to the Pearl, and will possibly visit a new station soon with Locke. I think that keeping information about his contributions would be a good clue to predict the role he would later play in furute exploring of stations. -- 08:36, 11 November 2006 (PST)
And also wouldn't you say Desmond is at least aware of some of the stations?
- The Staff
- The ?
- The Arrow
- ect. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jcc1033 (talk • contribs), 19:00, 23 December 2006 (UTC).
- As LS said above, it's just speculation that Desmond would know about stations that he doesn't talk about or hasn't been seen entering. We can only enter things that the show presents to us, and not make inferences or speculation, even if it "makes a lot of sense" to one person that things should be like that (because many people's theories are still very open ended). So thanks for adding Desmond. For other cases, I'm going to take out the "Possibly knew about" statuses, because "possibly" has no place outside of a theory page. --PandoraX 12:12, 23 December 2006 (PST)
Delete the Door
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Could all information of the Door be deleted from the page? Strictly speaking, it isn't a station. >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 11:27, 8 March 2007 (PST)
What makes it not a station?Princess Dharma (banned)
Well, I suppose some may class it ... just personally, I don't think it is ... it doesn't really serve a purpose like the other six, and was created solely as a decoy. >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 11:51, 8 March 2007 (PST)
Maybe it is just a decoy but it can be a decoy and a station at the same time. Princess Dharma (banned)
Get rid of it. its not a REAL staion anyways. --Project X 15:48, 9 March 2007 (PST)
The completest in me says to keep the door. It has a logo, it has a hatch -- Even though it is not terribly deep, it does represent a station. fFor example, it could have been a sort of supply store fFor Dharma people to keep, say, emergency medical gear when visiting that part of the island. Or perhaps a weapons shed. Or some sort of storm shelter fFor the people living and working in the nearby village (in which case the village itself represents some kind of station). Or, indeed, a kind of Dharma trap to lure the Hostiles out into a controlled area. Whatever the case, we don't know it's purpose. It seems to me you don't build a large reinforced steel door on a scenic vista and make up a corporate logo and identity just to have a decoy. fFuther, we've seen the hostiles knew where the dharma camp was, so they didn't exactly need a decoy. Decoys look like your normal basecamp, and are useful when you are hiding. Dharma was beyond hiding. Scott 16:51, 21 May 2007 (PDT)
I agree that we should have kept the The Door information. Scott raises good points as to its purpose and it has not been proved indefinately if the Door is a decoy. Sayid never touched the "rock wall" he saw and the others felt the need to guard it with two gunmen even in Ben's absence. None of the others have ever confirmed or denied or even made referrence to the Door which suggests that it may be abandoned as they have never made referrence to the Arrow or Radio tower either.JAMES200G 04:02, 29 May 2007 (PDT)
Other characters
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Why ca't we add other characters to this list? I was thinking Danielle, Ben, Juliet, Tom, Aaron, Ethan, Goodwin. Maybe some others. --Blueeagleislander 21:20, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
- I added an "Others" section to the page. >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 09:36, 18 May 2007 (PDT)
Bonnie and Greta
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We don't know what they're Others, and thus aware of the Hydra. I know it's likely, but it's not certain. --The Smiley-Faced Balloon 15:34, 20 May 2007 (PDT)
Discussion - Aware of?
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Wouldn't all the Others and survivors be aware of the stations they haven't been in by word of mouth? --Blueeagleislander 00:39, 23 May 2007 (PDT)
- I actually think he should get rid of the whole Others section because we don't and probably will never know who has been where and who is aware of what. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 04:03, 23 May 2007 (PDT)
- I agree, the article is to do with who has discovered it and explored it. Ben as a DHARMA employee will know where every station is naturally, defeating the idea of exploration. So yeah, delete entire Others section I say --Nickb123 (Talk) 04:10, 23 May 2007 (PDT)
- Makes sense.--Berethor222 19:08, 24 May 2007 (PDT)
- Sorry, the Others section was my doing. I did add a comment above the table stating that it would NOT include any 'aware of' due to the fact we don't know what they are aware of, but somebody added 'aware of's anyway. Sorry. >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 16:02, 26 May 2007 (PDT)
- Makes sense.--Berethor222 19:08, 24 May 2007 (PDT)
- I agree it should be deleted the point of this article is "exploration" as in the name. It is the "losties" that are really exploring the island and not the others. I agree that Ben would know of all the DHARMA stations as a DHARMA employee the events of The Man Behind the Curtain suggest that he made frequent trips to all the stations. As Ben knows of the stations the others would probably at least know of them if not their status (although some may argue that he would have no reason to tell them this he told Juliet about the Looking Glass) so this section is pointless as we do not know who has vistied what off screen. JAMES200G 14:15, 28 May 2007 (PDT)
- Delete the Others section is the best thing to do. Their leader is Ben, who knows about all the stations, and so does every simgle member of their group. --Kemot from Poland 05:15, 30 May 2007 (PDT)
- It's not even all of the others, where's Richard? Plus surely they are all aware of The Looking Glass because Ben told them it was flooded, and Mikhail would surely be aware of every station seeing how he had maps and manuals in The Flame.
PS-i'm changing Charlie to be aware of The Pearl because we see him holding a Pearl notebook.--Baker1000 09:12, 7 June 2007 (PDT)
- If the "Others" section isn't deleted (which I think it should), then it should be changed so that Juliet is "aware of" the Swan. She and Ben observed Jack in the Swan while they were in the Pearl (Expose).--Theslate 20:10, 17 June 2007 (PDT)
- I don't see any real reason to eliminate the Others section. Most of the Losties probably know of more stations than they are listed as knowing, due to word of mouth. The reason we list them despite that is so we can keep track of the bare minimum of stations each character is aware of, and update that minimum as more stations are confirmed to be known.
- The exact same logic applies to the Others, just on a wider scale: we don't know that the Others are aware of all the stations (for example, the creators have suggested that they initially knew little, if anything, about the Swan; and none of the surviving Others have given any evidence of knowing anything about the Arrow or Orchid yet), and until we do know that, it's very useful to the fans to keep track of the bare minimum of Stations each Other knows. Nor can we be certain that all Others know of the exact same number of Stations: it has been confirmed that there are different "factions" of Others, so for all we know, Ben and Juliet could know about the Pearl while Richard or Mikhail, for example, don't.
- If the problem is with the article title, then rename the article rather than gutting it. "Station awareness" or "Station knowledge" would work. "Station explorers" has always been a poor title, anyway; people who were brought to Stations through kidnapping (Claire to the Staff, Jack and Kate and Sawyer to the Hydra, Ben to the Swan, etc.) were hardly "exploring" them. -Silence 11:34, 28 July 2007 (PDT)
The Tempest
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Not seeing The Tempest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackdutton42 (talk • contribs) .
- Got it covered. Thanks for reminding me. I knew I'd forgotten something. -- Sam McPherson T C E 16:09, 9 March 2008 (PDT)
Discussion-Freighters
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We need a new table for the freighters only.
- I don't think its necessary except for a brief paragraph perhaps, only about three of them (Daniel, Charlotte and Keamy) were shown to know anything. --Nickb123 (Talk) 07:36, 12 July 2008 (PDT)
Goodwin in the Hydra
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This page lists Goodwin as a person that visited the Hydra. I don't remember him there. --Orhan94 08:20, 18 August 2008 (PDT)
Claire
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I just saw she's listed as "never visited" with The Swan. But haven't they said all the survivors knew about it? Plus, I'm watching Fire + Water and she asks to move into the Swan with Aaron. But I wanted to ask, in case there's some reason she's not listed as aware...--Corvus lizard 08:51, 5 November 2008 (PST)
Hurley was aware of to visit the looking glass.
Robert h
Ben and Juliet
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Ben and Juliet has passed the arrow station in the other woman. Type on google.nl: lost juliet dharma. I've you looke behind you see this station.
robert h
On page 1 you see ben nad juliet talking.Behind them is the arrow.
robert h
- No it's not. They're wearing different clothes. That picture is from "One of Us" when they visit Mikhail. This is what they wore when they went to Goodwin's corpse [1].--Baker1000 14:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes look closer. It's the arrow.
robert h.
They've got still wearing the same clothes as in one of us.
robert h
Look by ben on this site. You see the same thing.
robert h
- It's really not. Juliet is wearing shirt in One of Us, not a pinkish jumper. Take a look at the picture in question [2]. Juliet is holding a copy of the book Carrie, which she took with her to the Flame station in One of Us. She didn't have anything with her in The Other Woman.--Baker1000 14:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
ben wears the same clothes, not juliet.
robert h
- How can it be from the same scene if Juliet is wearing different clothes?--Baker1000 14:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes it's from One of us. This mean that the arrow station not far is from the flame. If you look the crash.
robert h.
- There's nothing to prove that is even the Arrow. You can't see the door, only a dark patch in the trees.--Baker1000 14:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
If you that's is not the arrow, what station?
robert h
- No station. just trees.--Baker1000 14:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you have to look by the arrow on this site.
robert h.
Ben and Juliet know a lot about dhrama, why not about the arrow?
robert h
Maybe it's this the real outside door of the arrow.
robert h
Wait i have an idea. This is the real door of the arrow station, that's why there is a logo. what the tail-section survivors found was the outside door of the arrow.
robert h
That's why we saw no logo was found on the door of the arrow in the other 48 days.
robert h.
I heard nothing from you. Have I right?
robert h.
- No I gave up trying to argue because I know I won't get through to you. Look, Ben and Juliet didn't walk past the Arrow in The Other Woman. They didn't walk past the Arrow in One of Us. They didn't walk past any other sation in those two episodes. Just leave it.--Baker1000 16:08, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
You have not right.
robert h
Is this not a good theorie? Look on the blast door map.
robert h
Naomi was awre of to visit the looking glass. She was also aware of to visit the flame. I think!
robert h
Juliet, charlotte and miles were aware of to visited the orchid.
robert h
Daniel?
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When did Daniel visit the Orchid? Also when did Goodwin and Ethan visit the Hydra? Orhan94 20:38, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Daniel visited the Orchid (or will visit the Orchid) in the opening scene of this season. I don't think there is anything to suggest Goodwin and Ethan visited the Hydra though.--Baker1000 20:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, forgot about "Because You Left", and I'll remove Goodwin and Ethan from the Others' list. --Orhan94 20:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
The Temple also has to be by the station explorers. Jin has seen this station, but has never entered it. danielle Rousseau also saw this station, but has never entered it.
robert h
- We don't know for sure that it is a DHARMA station, the logo could have been just a marker to show where it is on the map.--Baker1000 14:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Out all of the tailies, Eko has visited the most stations. Ana lucia has visited The swan and The Arrow. Libby has visited The Swan and The Arrow. Bernard has only visited The Arrow. Eko has visited the Arrow, The Swan and The Pearl. I think that Eko not far was from The tempest. The flowers are after the tempest I think. That's also for Desmond, Nikki, Paulo, Sayid and locke.
robert h
The lighthouse will be visited in '316' by Ben, Sun, Eloise hawking(she worked there), Desmond and Jack. Ben has visited than the swan, pearl, flame, hydra, orchid and lighthouse,6 stations. Desmond has visited than the swan, pearl, looking glass and lighthouse, 4 stations. Sun has visited than the swan, staff and lighthouse, 3 stations. Jack has visited than the swan, hydra and the lighthouse,3 stations. Eloise Hawking has visited only the Lighthouse, 1 station.I've you have seen the trailer from'316'.
robert h
I know it's from the game of lost but Elliot maslow has also being by station explorers. He has visited the Swan, Pearl, Staff, Flame and Hydra.
robert h
Since we know that Daniel's mother is Eloise Hawking could it be that Daniel vsited the Lamp Post in the utero of Eloise hawking. It's just a theory.
robert h
Discussion - Aware of?
Charlotte:Hydra Hurley: Arrow and Looking Glass (Charlie said he is to fat) Cindy: Swan ( kidnapped) Daniel: Lamp Post (Aware of Utero) Libby: Staff(seen drems/ visions) Michael:Hydra ( aware of founding Walt) Nikki: Flame( aware of but not visited) Boone and Shannon:Staff and Hydra(polar bear and claire) Charlie: Hydra( polar bear) Jin: Flame and Tempest( Charlies story and Kates story) Tom: Flame( Mikhails coming) Alex: Swan( aware of discharge) Bea:Swan( aware of discharge) Danny: Swan( aware of discharge)
robert h
The Temple has to be by station explorers. Jin and Danielle together saw this station but not entered it.
robert h
Que?
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Most stations visited Ben has visited the most DHARMA stations, having been in 6 as of the Lamp Post. He may have at some point also visited the other stations, but it has not yet been shown.
Juliet is the runner-up, having visted 5 stations. Like Ben, she may have visited other stations at some point, but it has not yet been shown. Following are Tom and Goodwin each has been in three stations.
Robert h(talk)
- I'm sorry, I fail to see why you just posted that. You copied it from the page yes? What are you trying to point out? Also, please, please, please make new subheadings when you want to start a new discussion on a talk page. ==(title)==--Baker1000 22:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
I keep it with me who what station visited or not. It's all in my mind. I wanna be every hour on the computer. I don't wanna make a point. I print it out, that is for me interesting. This give me time to do something. This are your answers.
robert h
I was doing that because there was 1 fault that is it.
robert h.
Penny
Has Penny also being by station explorers? She was reunite with the Oceanic Six. That means than for now aware of camera by the Looking Glass. Penny= Eloise Hawking who both were looking for the island. That make her stations visitied 1 only the Lamp Post. If you giving me not the right is her station visited 0.
robert h
Caesar and Ilana
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So in "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" we see Caesar and Ilana in the Hydra. Should they be added onto this page under the survivors section?--Baker1000 10:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
That is a nice idea Baker1000. It would be really cool, but where put you them on the list. By the survivors or the Others? --Station7 16:51, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
- This was posted quite early in the season. Of course Caesar turns out to be a red herring and of small importance to the show. I think a much more relevant addition to the table would be Ilana and Bram.--Baker1000 19:10, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
Jin, Sawyer, and Desmond are joint-runners up. Desmond has visited the Swan, pearl, Looking Glass and lamp post. while Jin has visited the swan, arrow, Staff and Flame. Sawyer has visited the Swan, Arrow, hydra and Flame.
Robert h
Sawyer also has visited 4 stations.
Robert H
Charlie passed 2 times the pearl Hatch. The first time with Sayid and the secound time with Mr. Eko.
Robert H 20:14 March 27
Tom and Goodwin
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Tom and Goodwin has visited each 3 stations. Goodwin has visited the Arrow, the Staff and the Tempest. Tom has visited the Staff, the Pearl and the Hydra.--Station7 10:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- The article states that, it is accurate. Was there another reason you brought that to our attention? Are you Robert H reborn?--Baker1000 19:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
If you look by Jin, he also visited 4 stations: Swan, Arrow, Staff and Flame. Sawyer, Desmond and Jin are the runner-up. --Station7 13:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Has Eliose Hawking by station explorers? She visited the Lamp Post and was an other.--Station7 16:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Eloise was an Other when the DHARMA Initiative was still occupying all the stations. Presumably, she left the Island to give birth to Faraday (which was years before the Purge), so she wouldn't have visited any of those stations. As for the Lamp Post, it's not so much that she has visited it as it is that she just plain works there. -- Managerpants Contribs Talk 17:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Eloise hawking has visited 1 station just like Jason, Luke, Karl, Isabel, Bonnie, Greta, Matthew, Ethan, Colleen, Danny, Bea, Aldo and Ivan and they are on the list. Pryce is on the list and he visited any station. But Eloise has visited 1 station and she is not on the list. It would be cool if she on that list, but it's the fans meaning.--Station7 18:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
The last thing I wanna said about Eliose is that she much importaner is than Ivan, Aldo, Jason, Luke and Matthew. She is much importance as the other people from The others on the list. --Station7 18:14, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Maybe it's a stupid idea, but could we make under the others faction for DHARMA. Because Radzinsky has visited the Swan, The Arrow and The Flame. He's aware of the Looking glass and the Pearl. Roger visited the Staff and he's aware of The Pearl and The Swan. Horace visited The Arrow. He's aware of The Orchid, The Swan and the Pearl. some of those workers has visited The Orchid. Pierre Chang has visited the Swan, The Pearl, The Flame and The Orchid. He's aware of the Arrow.--Station7 19:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Including DHARMA workers would kind of be silly, as they are not station "explorers" at all; they work in the stations. -- Managerpants Contribs Talk 10:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Maybe is the mercancy team(Keamy etc.) a good idea. Keamy has visited the orchid, while the other mercancy people not yet visited the Orchid. Maybe not? --Station7 07:17, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- I don't know... I guess it seems like a waste because Keamy only visited one station, and is the only one of the mercenary team who visited a station. -- Managerpants Contribs Talk 12:59, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that was what i was to. --Station7 13:01, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
I've been thinking. Hurley know about the Pearl. In The Cost Of Living ask Locke to Charlie and Hurley, if they are going to The Pearl to find Jack, Kate and Sawyer. They said no, but they both know about The Pearl. Locke said in front of charlie and hurley. Am I right?--Station7 13:55, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
I was forgot something. Horace Goodspeed said about The Arrow in the episode LaFleur in front of Juliet, Sawyer(who visited the station), Jin(who visited the station), Daniel and Miles. Do they know about The Arrow? And Miles know about The Flame, because he said to Sawyer(LaFleur)that Jin called him from the radio who was in The Flame.--Station7 14:33, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
Maybe an idea. Could we put a list from a person like Sun who visited The Swan in 'Collision' and 'Whate Kate Did' for example. Then we know also how much that station by that person has been visited. Like Sun has 2 times visited The Swan. She has 1 time visited The Lamp Post in '316' and 2 times The Staff in 'Something Nice Back Home' and 'D.O.C'.--Station7 19:37, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
- That is a nice idea, but it would be too hard to keep track of the characters who spent almost all their time in the Swan. For example Jack and Locke. And then there are characters like Ben and Juliet, who have visited a lot of stations without us even knowing it. How many times has Ben visited the Hydra? More than we know.--Baker1000 11:24, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
Charlotte wanna go to The Orchid, but she can't reach it and dies. That's why I put that there.--Station7 14:02, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
I think Alex know about The Looking Glass. Ben said to Mikhail about going to the Looking Glass in front of Alex and Mikhail was going in top The Looking Glass. It's that evindence?--Station7 18:23, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
- I believe she may know of the Looking Glass. Ben did tell them all that it was flooded.--Baker1000 19:54, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
Is Libby aware of the Staff? Nobody ever says the name of the station and they call it the medical station. But good, here is my theory. I think that Libby saw the dream of Claire from the staff. But here is my other one. Claire said in front of Libby to kate. Let's we go to that place, I think Libby knows that there is another station. Not the best theories but I wanna hear you're reaction.--Station7 20:03, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
Has the Musician put in the list? He is one of the Others, also he visited the Looking Glass.--Station7 13:47, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
Trivia
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Do we need a section named: Trivia for this page.
Like Locke: Jacob's nemesis] has visited The Hydra as John Locke, however Locke didn't vistied this station.--Station7 20:21, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
Remove from character articles
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Seeing that we track each characters' visits exhaustively here, let's not put them on the character pages too. Lines like "Kate has visited five of the ten known DHARMA Initiative stations: the Swan, the Staff, the Hydra, the Flame and the Tempest" seem absurdly trivial - yes, even too trivial for the trivia section. I mean this might have seen important back when DHARMA stations seemed the show's absolute focus point, but they aren't. We still record the info, but we do it on this page, where it seems much more meaningful with other characters' visits as context. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 02:32, January 30, 2011 (UTC)