Talk: Sri Lanka Video/Archive01

This archive page covers approximately the dates between July 26, 2006 and August 31, 2006.

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I wanted to help get this page up and running now, before the video is completed. There is going to be a lot of information released about the video, and a lot of theories, and I think they should be directed here.--Two Coyotes 20:03, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

Transcript not needed anymore[]

Since the new segment list has been created the transcirpt can be deleted. Dee4leeds 7 Aug 2006 14:18 (GMT)

I disagree - the segment list is nice and all, but reading a quick transcript serves its own purpose. Keep the two both up-to-date. --Jajasoon 09:02, 7 August 2006 (PDT)

I agree with Jajasoon. I like to look at the transcript because of the flow between the gliphs. That is why I updated it with the latest gliph. --Edbennion 08:13, 9 August 2006 (PDT)

Sequencing[]

This is a good place to post sequence options. Until we get the majority of the clips, we should not try to number the sequence, as we don't know where each pair of clips fits within the larger whole. To start, I think we should focus on pairs of clips that either match directly or with possible gaps. --Jajasoon 08:23, 26 July 2006 (PDT)

Just added info about clip VIX7ZXT97. It directly follows clip 1EY8AZCZNA2. Unfortunately Mr. Beardy doesn't tell us what the 'simple' answer is. --Risky 18:23, 01 August 2006 (GMT)

Under "Sequence Information" it says that NZ59 leads to 4HO but under "Transcript" (where the sequence is supposed to be in the potential order) it reads that 4HO leads to NZ59. Which is correct? --Purinkle ™ 07:57, 3 August 2006 (PDT)

It was a typo - it should be NZ59 leads to 748I. Changed...--Jajasoon 10:17, 3 August 2006 (PDT)

I hafta say, I disagree with your guys' sequence. I have almost no doubts in my mind that 1EY8AZCZNA2 leads into VIX7ZXT97. There's more, but I don't feel like typing it all out. here's what I believe to be the mostly correct sequence, judging by tone of voice, and most importantly, Beardy's stance in relation to the Dharma Logo, the Fern, and the Plaque next to the Fern. Confirm, deny, do as you may.

ohge zy6c 4kvklaydm0 gmx18bcj 90vdhohu 7hkbh xigz2y10s2 m6xy398 88ch 750nzf8x 89rmcocdc6d rgmr 7ti 3zgt 1ey8azczna2 vix7zxt97 rxmhjh9y e82kni8l 3gtvi0m11 rrgyxs fvh7n ig3x After this is TM's speech, which is really kinda pegged down.Loki 21:16, 4 August 2006 (PDT)

Has anyone attempted to invert these two sequences? They make more sense in reversed order.

"Although the equation has been buried by those who commissioned it..." (RGMR) "His results are chilling, and attention must be paid..." (RXMHJH9Y)

-- belle42

I don't believe the clips between IG3X and VDADOS7YRE0 are missing segments. Grammatically and soundwise, what TM i saying is correct. --Zoe 00:58, 18 August 2006 (PDT)

VACCINE has to be later than you have it placed. The ending of it has Hanso standing with the DHARMA symbol plaque to his left. He does not move over to here until he actually talks about "why the secrecy" in clip VIX7ZXT97. It most likely is after 5BE. - Kiddoc

With the new clip OUJ2, which I believe goes after (with maybe one missing)25KOCJS6S6 and right into NZ59, I think there is only one Mittlewerk speech. The video starts with the DHARMA initiative and ends with Mittlewerk - Kiddoc

PFKAB5QXK goes after XWZW. The full sentence is: Mittelwerk- "We must make absolute certain we are hitting precise genetic targets we have engineered into the virus." - Kiddoc

Has anyone looked at PKDBAH7J and GMX18BCJ to find out where they go? I'm not quite sure... --Zoe 06:28, 2 September 2006 (PDT)

Nevermind, old codes, I'll find the order soon. --Zoe 06:49, 2 September 2006 (PDT)

Has anyone noticed that during some of the Mittelwerk clips, you can see a torch light shining on the wall behind him? --Zoe 15:35, 3 September 2006 (PDT)

I think thats just from the camera lense but yeah I noticed it --Nickb123 (Talk) 15:41, 3 September 2006 (PDT)

I don't think there is a clip between GLLV8B and Quarantine - I think TWM is stopped in midsentence by noticing the light reflection that has playing around him 4 6 clips - Kiddoc

I think the other newest clips (9/5) go in this order WITHOUT clips missing:

RXMHJH9Y "[static] Its results are chilling, and attention must be paid."

XQGRMH "Only by manipulating the environment by finding scientific solutions to all of our problems..."

7C8R "...we will be able to change those core factors and give humanity a chance to survive."

RGMR "Although the equation has been buried by those who comissioned it..

spliced missing words - "in a" (not a clip to be found)

56LHZJDCL7A4 "..panic, It's always been my belief that we ignore warnings at our own peril. And thus, the DHARMA Initiative was born."

Kiddoc

ZR2JI has anyone else noticed that this fits perfectly in front of NARVIK? Sorry, I'm a new user and I don't have the confidence to move the clips around myself without making a mess :P Debaser 05:51, 7 September 2006 (PDT)

Decided to jump in and do it myself. Haven't changed the link to the Hansoexposed player though. Debaser 06:10, 7 September 2006 (PDT)

It seems to me that ZR2JI fits lines up very well with NANITE if placed after it, the frames match. This would require the last clip to go between 44KU2VKQ and NANITE in order for it to make sense, though.

Transcript[]

After inspection of GMX18BCJ (Mr. Beardy, saying "If you are watching this film, you will already know and have worked with Gerald and Karen deGroot"), I've noticed the leading audio contains a fade-out of the introduction music. It can be assumed that it would come after Mr. Beardy reveals his name, which would also come after the 4KVKLAYDM0 fragment. --fomalhaut 12:28, 27 July 2006 (PDT)"

The GMX18BCJ fragment does indeed say "If you are watching this film, you will already and have worked with Gerald and Karen deGroot..." This comes after audio inspection at the studio at my work, the audio was slowed down and amplified to get a real idea of what Mr. Beardy was saying. --fomalhaut 13:00, 27 July 2006 (PDT)

1EY8AZCZNA2 actually transcribes to "...The DeGroots, the few high ranking members of my organization." same process used to clean audio up. If audio extracts are required for people to concur with this, please request them on my user talk page. --fomalhaut 13:00, 27 July 2006 (PDT)

"Why all the security..." started with frames showing the island, identical to the "The DeGroots, the few..." ones, so I'm putting it after it. Check here to see for yourself: http://www.hansoexposed.com/player/bbb35d284140d99b6aeb6875de6e0ffa Also, in my opinion "As with all you've already been told" should be at the beginning, not the end. --TPIMaster 12:13, 1 August 2006 (PDT)

RRGYXS -- What is the start of the sentence ? Many places got it differently... "[We/you] [will/all] know that the one true way has been found.". Was "You will", but change to "[We / You] will... it really sounds to me like he says "We will", although "you will" would fit the teacher/student relationship better... E.T. 21:41, 7 August 2006 (PDT)

CHOCOLATES then RXMHJH9Y then <missing> then RGMR -> you can see on your own page of beginning and end of segments that Chocolates end matches RXMHJH9Y beginning...

Theories[]

Through segment 7TI I think it could be an Orientation-Film for the Others. They were trained for life in the jungle and shipped to a secret facility which appears to be an island. --Barclay 12:58, 31 July 2006 (PDT)

Segment List[]

Add any notes you have about clip continuity and ordering directly in the list. Please also post about it here if you make order changes so we can all know and try to agree on one order. To add a new segment, just upload "hansoexposed.com/fragments/thumbs/[code].jpg" to lostpedia as "[code]_segment_320x240.jpg", where "[code]" is the segment's code in lower case. Add a new template section where you think it should go in the list and fill the information up, making sure to update the appropriate continuity info in the surrounding clips. Case is important and you need to use the right one: upper for segment= and next / previous links; lower for code=... E.T. 11:37, 8 August 2006 (PDT)

I moved the sequence list to article and removed what was there. If you all agree, I think it should be scraped now but you may move it back if you want. Maintaining multiple versions of these list may be troublesome and as I said "clear continuity" doesn't mean much here this list may not be so useful either. I left the transcript section for now since it may be nice to have a quick plaintext one around, but there are a couple mistakes and I haven't update it...

To have the links be made by the template, I need the lowercase code, and I haven't been able to make the lowercase function work... which is why you need to put both versions of the code in definition. doesn't seem to do the trick, any help ?

E.T. 11:42, 6 August 2006 (PDT)

I like the new segment list, but I do think both that transcript need to remain for ease of reading through, and that proposed continuity sequences of 2+ clips need to be linked with the hansoexposed.com player clips - the full 28+ sequence of clips is not as useful for building continuity (& takes forever to load!). --Jajasoon 09:02, 7 August 2006 (PDT)

Yeah I agree, with the added empty clips it acts as a quick transcript and order list, should be kept. Adding video links for the film sections would be nice. For building continuity, I actually use the individual clips, a playlist and a normal media player... the website is too clumsy. E.T. 12:54, 7 August 2006 (PDT)

The segment list and transcript both serve different purposes, so we need both. The first is our temporary order, based on logic, and the latter helps in trying to find that order.Arjayoh

Still agreeing and the transcript is all updated now, definatly keep. E.T. 11:34, 8 August 2006 (PDT)

Checked the two image template in... In 800x600 it's gonna have to be top/bottom, but I reduced the whole a bit and test to fit in 1024x768 with the images on a line. E.T. 19:51, 8 August 2006 (PDT)

Nice idea - I'd say shrink the image by quite alot though. Perhaps put the images left/right instead of top/bottom? --Jajasoon 14:43, 8 August 2006 (PDT)

Now all my edits have be reverted but i am right in my segment order: "GLLV8B" comes directly after "Nanite"...please change kdm83

He clearly starts to say something at the end in NANITE, an H or I sound at least even though I'm not sure it's an "It". The image seems to fit nicely with gllv8b, but if you look carefully the box's reflexions are not the same, it's not continuous. It may, or may not, be in a sequence, but it's not complete and at this point it isn't meaningful, so it doesn't matter till we get more segments. I reverted you mostly because you broke several links and put some stuff in the wrong place and it didn't look like you where to going to fix this. We don't want to change the order too often and confuse people best wait until we are sure. E.T. 11:44, 12 August 2006 (PDT)
Then you may want to email Matt the Pale on the lost experience clues page because on his transcript he doesn't note that Mittlewerk starts a new phrase at the end of Nanite. I agree that it's not that big of a deal right now but people come to this site to get the most accurate information and I still stand that I'm correct with this sequencing. --Kdm83 12:13, 12 August 2006 (PDT)
- I'll disagree with both of you! I think that Mittelwerk says nothing at the end of the NANITE clip (it's just the sound of the clip ending), but I don't think the images match completely from NANITE to GLLV8B - it could be a match, but not definitive enough to list it as such. Also, the lines don't make any sense together, so the evidence is not sufficient to list it for now. --Jajasoon 12:19, 12 August 2006 (PDT)

Erm...The clip just after Alvar Hanso says'I'mAlvar Hanso', it doesn't show up on the HE.com player, that seems to indicate a gap... --Zoe 09:02, 1 September 2006 (PDT)

Date order[]

It'd be good if there was also a date order the glyphs were added. Can someone organise that? --Blue eagle islander 01:53, 9 August 2006 (PDT)

Hansoexposed.com lists the glyphs in chronological order. No need to recreate it here. --Jajasoon 04:19, 9 August 2006 (PDT)

I feft, like Jajasoon, that it wasn't needed when I made the templates... but it could be useful to know which clips have been recently added... I added links back here to the glyph codes template so you can use that list more easily to check new videos. If that's not enough, maybe just keep a list of last 5 (or so) clips added at the top of the page? E.T. 12:11, 10 August 2006 (PDT)

So This Is It[]

This Orientation film is talking about the LOST island, so all the hatches etc were part of experiments for solving the Valenzetti Equation. They better explain it on the show for non-players --Nickb123 (Talk) 08:18, 14 August 2006 (PDT)

That is just the thought I had recently. I think it's very possible that Jack, Sawyer, and Kate will be taken to the "Barracks" or something similar, and when one of them questions just who the hell the Others are, they'll be shown the DHARMA orientation film, except this version will be complete, with no inaudible sections. This way you don't have to be a member of TLE to know some fairly critical information about the Island. Loki 08:42, 14 August 2006 (PDT)
That's my theory as well. It's interesting, as the preview of TLE seemed to make it clear that nothing of huge significance would be revealed for TV viewers. I wonder if the plan changed to make the stakes for the game higher, or they just meant that nothing will be "exclusively" revealed for TLE players. Will A Tale of Two Cities just be a recap for TLEers? --Jajasoon 08:58, 14 August 2006 (PDT)
This is a little too crazy for me... a mathematical equation predicting human extinction ? What is this, psychohistory ? Well maybe, could be interesting. But this really looks more like another Swan video to me: your going to have to (insert push-button function we haven't heard yet) in order to save the world. I'm almost tempted to say "move along, nothing to see here..." The equation is clearly related to the numbers, but is it real or another part of the story they are making their subjects play out ? I think this is a video for the others, that the others are also subjects in the experiment, a la Stanford Prison Experiment maybe. A primer for next season for which the big questions are of course "what are the others going to do with our (anti)heroes" and "who are these others anyway". We saw that "Henri" seemed like a very intelligent guy and probably had psychological and perhaps other scientific training. He seemed to have power of the rest of the others when he came back. Yet he really risked his life and torture by getting himself captured. Same with the two infiltrators... they take way more risk than necessary and end up dead. These are clearly not the people in charge of the Initiative. That they are refereed to as "hostiles" also makes it sounds like some sort of game. Lost could make a real fun computer rpg btw. E.T. 13:33, 15 August 2006 (PDT)
It is crazy, but no game. I once had a weird theory that the island was some kind of Survivor/Big Brother crossover, but it all went wrong when the security system meant to stop the Losties from finding out they were watched went haywire and started killing people,and the Other are actually the crew of the show, staying behind to make sure nobody else dies. But an equation predicting when it's all gonna go kaput? Well...feasible...but you'd be factoring in a million-and-one different variables. I feel sorry for Valenzetti...he must have had the worst headache after that.

It's been done in sc. fi... very nicely too, by Isaac Asimov. Foundation is the story of Hari Seldom, inventor of psychohistory, a mathematical model allowing the prediction of human behavior at a social level (on average and for issues affecting large amounts of people only.) What's his main prediction? The fall of the empire and civilisation, of course! So he goes on to found 3 foundations that will be given the goal of rebuilding after the fall. Very good stuff which I highly recommend. But it seemed somewhat plausible because it was a statistical method giving an idea of general directions the society was taking, the fall being mostly due to social decay due to the corrupt and unstable social institutions (the capital planet being one big urban area filled with nothing but bureaucrats and public administrators... imagine that.)
If you want to be pedantic, equations predicting the end of the world do exist, such as those modeling the life of a class g star and the futur expansion of the sun all the way past the orbit of the earth in it's end life (around 5g years from now.) But predicting the exact time of human extinction mathematically without even knowing the exact cause? Now that's just plain silly. Definitely in the realm of fantasy, not sc. fiction in my book. Now I don't have anything against fantasy, but I kinda hope Lost can really be explained in terms that at least makes sense. And I really think it's unlikely that such stuff is supposed to be taken at face value.
Maybe Hanso believes it and this is what originally turned him into a mad scientist. Maybe it's just another mind game. Which can mean a lot of things... my first theory was also that this is some kind of "real" reality show, where the players are not aware they are part of it or what the goal of the game is (the island being a big puzzle they have to solve, while of course staying alive...) You're right that it doesn't hold on it's own anymore, but it may be a part of the truth.
They called it an alternate reality game, not a virtual reality game. When miss Blake says "it's all real", the Hanso Foundation, etc. it's all part of the show. In this "alternate reality" (the fictional world of Lost which is very similar to our own, yet probably very different in some particular way), the Lost show is a "real" reality show, a front for social experiments and some people are beginning to find out. Back in our world, it's a "fake" reality show and the Lost experiment game mimics this.
Anyhow this is one of many theories which I could elaborate on for pages, but I find explanations involving some serious brain fsk more palatable than ones involving such an unlikely collection of "good" people "just saving the world". Now I understand some people (not to say Americans) like "big" stories and will feel disappointed if the destruction of the world is not averted by .0003 seconds every season ending, but it doesn't mean it has to be "real" in the end. E.T. 07:23, 19 August 2006 (PDT)

When it ends[]

Hey when we have all finished the Sri Lanka Video whats do you think would happen could we download it etc. or will it show it later on Lost but how can you continue the lost experience after this?

The Hanso Foundation trying to cover there tracks - Dee4leeds

Since Sri Lanka Video is stage 3 of 5 of The Lost Experience, it might be that stages 4 or 5 will have something to do with the Glyphs (maybe they are some sort of puzzle that must be pieced together, and the codes with no glyph will match the areas if the puzzle where there are no connection between the pieces)... See Glyphs Discussion Page. -- Batmagoo 06:26, 25 August 2006 (PDT)

Breaking out Orientation Film page?[]

So I was thinking that it would be useful to create a separate page for the DHARMA Orientation film shown in this video - we have enough information about it that it deserves equal treatment to the other films. But the question is what to call it - it seems to be an Overview Orientation Film, or it could be called 1975 Orientation Film. Any thoughts? --Jajasoon 11:32, 17 August 2006 (PDT)

You mean making a description page like for other videos, not moving oritation segments to another page right ? It seems to be the main orientation film for the whole DHARMA Initiative, so simply DHARMA Initiative Orientation film could do, although it might be confused with the cathegory that the other films also fit. Maybe Valenzetti Equation orientation film since everything seems to turn around this and on the blast door map it's implied that related research is going on outside the stations, so it could be a more hidden part of the project... Orientation film 0 / 6 ? Hanso's Orientation film ? I thought about it a bit but I haven't found a good name. E.T. 12:53, 17 August 2006 (PDT)

The name should be (Dharma Initiave) History Orientation Film, or Background Orientation Film. Batmagoo 06:03, 25 August 2006 (PDT)

Although including the year (1975) in the name should also give the idea, since no other film has been from 1975 (Hanso on the name is not good, since the target viewer is not him)... So, 1975 (Dharma Initiave) History Orientation Film will be better? Batmagoo 06:14, 25 August 2006 (PDT)

Ch Ch Ch Changes[]

I don't really think it's a good idea to add the name of the person speaking in the list's transcript and remove the links in the context line. The context line always says who is speaking and basic video context so the rest wouldn't need these and be cleaner. It's nice to have each list item pretty much stand alone since the list is long and items can change place, having a link in "first" is not necessarily useful, and since it's just a mostly redundant context line, links don't disturb reading much. If anything, it's the standalone transcript which could use the author prefix, not the big list. Not to mention the author shouldn't be in italic which means the quotes should be moved in definition, not template. Also I was trying to keep the whole orientation film "continuous" in that each item has a previous and next since we don't know if the missing parts are in the Sri Lanka video or the orientation film itself, and it provides extra info still and a nice navigation mechanism too.

Now I don't have the time or inclination to go and edit/revert all this, but I think people should propose it before making systematic changes to all items... especially when they involve removing more information then they add. I was hoping people would help more with the updates, descriptions (writing better descriptions so they are not redundant with the context info) and continuity info, but it seems some people prefer removing than adding... E.T. 08:13, 19 August 2006 (PDT)

ESJ4X6EBNC[]

If you look closely, there's a brief flash of the transmission tower at the end, which seems to roughly match the start of VACCINE. (From the sound, I'm guessing there's a clip in-between we're missing). (If you want to see it for yourself, I suggest my alternative player - it has a pause button and a seek bar.) - Makomk 08:11, 21 August 2006 (PDT)

In fact, it looks like may be impossible to see this with the official player, for some reason. (Perhaps it misses out the last frame?) - Makomk 09:08, 21 August 2006 (PDT)
- I don't know....I really think it's impossible for VACCINE to be in the mission summary sequence. When the video cuts back to Alvar, he's standing inbetween the fern and the DHARMA logo, but the clip at the END of the Mission Summary sequence (VIX7ZXT97) has Alvar walking over to this position. I think it's doubtful that he would be pacing while narrating....or am I missing something?
  - Indeed this is strange, but I saw the flash of the radio tower too. -- SGC.Alex 10:05, 21 August 2006 (PDT)
  - I haven't seen any flash. I've watched the video maybe 10 times, and it always ends with a shot of the supply helicopter, with no shot of the radio tower anywhere. It is my belief that VACCINE comes after VIX7ZXT97, when talking about secrecy and security.
  - When viewing it into a sequence of fragments, the flash player has a little lag between fragments; that's how I've been able to see it. -- SGC.Alex 12:59, 21 August 2006 (PDT)
  - Even if it does have a shot of the radio tower, how would you explain Alvar's position at the end of VACCINE?
  - I don't know... May be missing fragments in between... -- SGC.Alex 01:26, 22 August 2006 (PDT)
  - Okay - I'm slightly confused as to why someone moved VACCINE to earlier in the sequence than ESJ4X6EBNC (and without updating the transcript or continuity information) - it doesn't seem to make any sense. I could understand if they thought it should be later in the sequence than I put it, but I can't see anything that suggests it should be placed earlier. -- Makomk 02:34, 22 August 2006 (PDT)
  - Oh, and I'm pretty sure we're missing the actual clip before VACCINE, but I'm also fairly sure it will join VACCINE and ESJ4X6EBNC. (Hanso's position is odd, though of course there's no absolute guarantee the sequence was filmed in the same order as it was eventually assembled in.) -- Makomk 02:34, 22 August 2006 (PDT)
    - I think it is filmed in the same order (though the TWM bits separate). When pieced it'll all be one flowing video, but there will be slight jerks and mis-shots on the Alvar video cause its an old tape right? --Nickb123 (Talk) 03:03, 22 August 2006 (PDT)
    - And it all makes sense now. Thanks, ING93A11RO86. - Makomk 12:25, 24 August 2006 (PDT)

Video Thumbnails[]

I would like to know how to get the thumbnails of the videos for the segments. I hit play on my player and try a screen scrape, but that doesn't seem to work. Would somebody like to tell me how they do it? --108 07:16, 22 August 2006 (PDT)

Put your screen on Full Screen Mode (F11) and then to get thumbnails of what the clips look like on the sequencing screen, either hit CTRL+Print Screen or for large pics go to Inspect and hit CTRL+Print Screen. Crop the image in a photo editor (I just use Microsoft Photo Editor, you could use pretty much anything) and save as a JPG. Clear your clipboard, rinse and repeat as many times as you need to. --Zoe 22:44, 2 September 2006 (PDT)

Sequencing & Cooperation[]

Everyone invested in the process of sequencing the video, please do not start a revert war on the main page. We all must realize that the sequence is necessarily tentative until we have the majority of the fragments. If you disagree with the sequence as posted on the main page, please propose an alternative sequence on this talk page, and wait for debate & consensus before rearranging on the main page. Otherwise people will waste a lot of time on something that may be proven wrong tomorrow. I just want to tell all of you, that I trust you to do what is best. Thank you, and namaste.--Jajasoon 08:46, 22 August 2006 (PDT)

Sorry folks, I got excited and started editing on the main page before reading all the discussion. I apologize, that was inconsiderate given all the hard work everyone has put in. So what do people think about the new order in the orientation film segment? Do you guys think it works? I think it makes sense for Hanso to describe the location then the camera comes back to him speaking and moving to the right (explaining "why all the secrecy") then back to how the volunteers will be outfitted supplied and communicated with, then presumably a lead-in to the history speech. On another note, I'm more and more convinced as the TWM clips come out that this is all one continuous segment after the orientation video. Obviously there are far too many gaps to say anything definitively, but I think it merits discussion. Thank you, and namaste.--Mjm3 07:37, 23 August 2006 (PDT)
- Especially now that 0UJ2 is out, it does look more and more like that section (0UJ2, NZ59, 748L) follows on from 25KOCJS6S6... - Makomk 08:01, 23 August 2006 (PDT)
  - New clip out, looks like the section with the radio tower and the helicopter comes in later afterall. seems to fit in after 5be--Mjm3 10:56, 24 August 2006 (PDT)

links to flv files[]

When you add a fragment on this article, please write in lower-case letters the fragment's name under "code" in the template. If using upper-case letters for files, you got a 404 error when trying to download the flv file from hansoexposed.com . Consequently, the thumbnails' names should also be in lower-case. Thanks. -- SGC.Alex 09:34, 22 August 2006 (PDT)

XWZW[]

Should XWZW (hitting precise genetic targets) probably be moved to somewhere around where T.M. is talking about minimizing suffering and testing the vaccine in certain villages? --BrightStars1212 14:12, 22 August 2006 (PDT)

Mittelwerk Speeches[]

On what are we basing our assumptions that Mittelwerk has two sections? All the TWM clips seem a bit random and un-sortable at the minute to me.
--Chris 07:42, 24 August 2006 (PDT)

Presumably, Mittelwerk is showing the orientation video to his audience, with his talk sandwiching the video (we have seen the segue from video to him). But I agree that there's little rationale as to what belongs before or after the video, aside from the clear shift from video to Mittelwerk & the references to DHARMA. Keep eating Apollo Bars and all will be made clear! --Jajasoon 08:52, 24 August 2006 (PDT)

well someone went ahead and threw all of mittelwerk's speeches at the end, don't mind this idea, just two parts to the video no sandwich, however, they must have been smoking the wacky as the order of his speech seems almost wholly arbitrary-Two Coyotes 15:39, 24 August 2006 (PDT)
- Whoever feels like re-arranging TWM's clips, they should know that 25kocjs6s6 seems to be a transition from the side of the box to through the handle in the boxes, and nanite seems to the opposite.

--Chris 15:46, 24 August 2006 (PDT)

The new fragment NARVIK is also a transition from between the boxes to through the handle. Figuring out the order could prove interesting... -- Makomk 03:41, 30 August 2006 (PDT)
Fortunately, it looks like VOU8VPNPS5X could be part of a second transition in the opposite direction (look carefully at the start of the video). If so, that'd help a lot. -- Makomk 04:33, 30 August 2006 (PDT)

I just put nanite at the end of the section looking through the box hole. I've felt that it must be in this order (video then speach) for a while.-nischwartz

I appears that we may have to wait for the remaining pieces to the video before really being able to make sense of it all. Its kinda like trying to force a puzzle piece where it does not belong and then when you get to the end... its even harder to piece together then when you started. jeffreymull

Are we really sure that NANITE is continuous into IRZ7? I don't see that the image matches, and I think the context would make more sense with another segment in the middle; "Our operatives at the Vik Institute have verified this figure- ...more or less people succumb then we have failed." -- TonyPeanuts

I think you're missing out the very end of NANITE (Mittelwerk says something which sounds like either "it" or "if", though it sounds like the end got cut off). Visual continuity is tricky to establish - the camera is moving around pretty wildly at the time - but if you look closely, both it and Mittelwerk are in roughly the same place at the end of NANITE and the start of IRZ7. Unless another clip turns up that fits better, it seems reasonable to assume that they are continuous IMO... -- Makomk 06:51, 30 August 2006 (PDT)

DHARMA Initiative Failed?[]

In segment 44KU2VKQ, Mittelwerk says "We all know what happened - the DHARMA Initiative failed." This leads me to wonder if the initiative "failed" before the events in the TV series or after, and just what was this "failure" anyways?

According to the timeline, the Hanso Foundation stopped finding DHARMA in 1987. Flight 815 crashed in 2004, and products were still being shipped to the island with DHARMA logos (if the HF is not paying for them, then who is). This video was supposedly shot in 2006. Any other date related clues that I've missed? Maybe the date of Hanso's disappearance?

Maybe I just need to sit back, relax, and watch it all unfold. --Doc 12:02, 30 August 2006 (PDT)

Does the site have a subtle hint?[]

It could just be my computer, but when I finish watching my updated sequence and watch it again, certain clips have to reload. Annoyed at this, I set my browser to work offline, and then hit the skip button. The video actually makes more sense without these clips. Does this happen to you? --Xparasite9 19:56, 31 August 2006 (PDT) Do you mean when you reload the video it takes some random ones out?

Something to try...[]

...seeing as there is so little agreement as to whether it all sounds correct. Try reading the transcript and then saying it. If it's weird in saying, it's probably not right. I tried this method with a few clips, and I'm finding that this order for these clips (in TM's speech) seems to sound more correct: FRXRUK9TQ VE5SMC THEFLASHLIGHT NANITE IRZ7 BAX5OUX8T GLLV8B

Try it. You may yet prove me wrong. Really though, I don't tihnk we'll be able to accurately order this video until we've got all our fragments. -Zoe