Talk:Locke's test
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No other possession article has the character's first and last name. Suggest renaming to Richard's objects (or Alpert's objects) to be easier to type and more in line with other article titles. ShadowUltra 14:29, 9 May 2008 (PDT)
- Don't rename: The article "Richard" is a disambiguation page. By the logic of there being enough Richards in the show to justify that, this page's title should be clear which Richard it refers to.--TechNic|talk|conts 18:02, 9 May 2008 (PDT)
- Don't rename, as per above Malachi 04:11, 10 May 2008 (PDT)
- As I was organizing/building the theories page for this page, I noticed that everyone is referring to "Richard's objects" as "the items". I'm thinking that people will not find this page easily under this title; I propose that we change the name to "Richard Alpert's items" and create a listing for "the items" that redirects to this page. Hazel 06:07, 17 May 2008 (PDT)
vial color Edit
The article says gray ash but the particular screencap is kind of unsaturated. Watching the show I get more of a sense of a beige or tan color, and granular, like sand or seeds. --Jackdavinci 14:55, 9 May 2008 (PDT).
- yeah, in HD it looks like pretty good sized beigey granules. COULD it be the same stuff that circled Jacob's cabin that John picked up and sifted through? hmmm....--Frenkmelk 23:50, 9 May 2008 (PDT)
After watching Ab Aeterno in Season 6, I believe that the vial is the vial of medicine Richard was attempting to buy for Isabella. A comparison between the two would help. Bwmathis 19:12, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
Ben's recruitement Edit
As Ben met Richard as a small boy, he could have been possibly recruited using the same test? And (if true) did it happen before or after johns test? --Stigi 06:34, 10 May 2008 (PDT)
Objects? Rename Edit
"Items" would be a much better word. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anfield Fox (talk • contribs) 2008-05-11T02:02:15.
1961? Edit
Where did we get that year from? If it's just based on Locke's age, anyone who isn't born on New Year's Day will be the same age during parts of two different calendar years. --Jackdavinci 06:11, 11 May 2008 (PDT)
multiple items selected Edit
It seems to me that Locke selected the vial, the compass AND the knife. He brought them away from the careful layout that Richard presented and put them close to him. Richard's response to each item movement indicates approval of each UNTIL he selects the knife as well. Besides, didn't Richard's phrasing seem to indicate he could select more than one item? Muninn99
I'm also of the understanding that Locke selected all 3 items. If he were rejecting the first 2 items, he would have put them back down in their places in Richard's configuration, rather than putting them down in front of himself. I'd like to see the wording in the article changed to (at least) reflect this ambiguity.--EmmaAmethyst 00:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
CompassEdit
- Considering it's prominence in these Season 5 episodes, I think the compass deserves its own page.--Overworkedirish 02:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Is there any doubt that the compass is one of the items Locke should have chosen?--Baker1000 20:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Compass has had it's own page since season one. It's likely the compass was one of the correct items but not confirmed. --Jackdavinci 02:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Is there any doubt that the compass is one of the items Locke should have chosen?--Baker1000 20:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Discussion Edit
To change article to state that Locke "chose" all 3 items, not just "examined" them.
This article states that Locke only "examined" the vial of sand and the compass, but ultimately only picked the knife. I believe this is incorrect. Richard asks him, in reference to the items, which one's are his? (one's = plural) He picks all 3 of the items, but the problem for Richard came when picked the knife. The reason he got upset is irrelevant to this topic. Either way he picked all 3. Please discuss, so we can get this changed if there is an agreement. - NEVERGIVEUP Contribs Talk 14:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. I always looked at it as Locke choosing all 3 of those items. -- Managerpants Contribs Talk 10:47, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
- I agree as well. He clearly pulls the sand and the compass over to him, without Richard saying to choose between them, or even reacting until he chooses the knife. Roobydo talk contribs 18:23, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
- I am going to go ahead & change this. If anyone has a problem at this point, please leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks for the comments- NEVERGIVEUP Contribs Talk 18:38, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
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- I don't agree with this actually. I think it is clear that Locke was supposed to chose the compass, following the events of Jughead where he gives it to Richard and tells him to visit him in two years. Locke also clearly only chose the knife, as Richard said "are you sure the knife is yours John?" he didn't ask him about the other two. I think this needs a little more discussion and opinions before we change it. But it looks like you've already gone ahead and done it...I notice the article also says Richard asks him if "anything else is his" after he "choses" the vial and compass. That is most certainly incorrect, Richard doesn't speak until after he picks up the knife.--Baker1000 19:11, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
- This has been up for discussion for 1.5 months & you haven't commented. Feel free to solicit other's opinion's but there is enough consensus for now to leave it as he "chose" the items, and not examined them. As for the other change you made, that is fine with me. I won't argue with you as to when Richard spoke, as I haven't watched the episode since orginally submitting this discussion and I was only rewording what was already in the article. Either way, that has no bearing on which items he actually chose. Also, in response to your comment, I believe he didn't ask him if he was sure the other items were his, because they were his and he wasn't done choosing the items until after the knife. - NEVERGIVEUP Contribs Talk 20:28, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
Article Discrepancy? Edit
Upon reading this article, I noticed a discrepancy. Within the article there are six items listed. Below the article there are five items listed. The differences are a baseball glove and the vial are listed within the article and not below the article. Also, below the article Isabella's necklace is listed, but not the vial or the baseball glove. Is there a reason for these differences, or should there be changes to the article? --Just Sayin' 12:51, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Richard's template at the bottom refers to items throughout the series associated with Richard. Every character has such a section. The article just refers to the items he offered to Locke during the test. We should consider renaming this article. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 13:10, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification. Very perceptive of you. That's exactly why I was confused, with the use of "items" in both sections. I agree with the idea of renaming the article and the list to something that has less potential for the same confusion. --Just Sayin' 13:27, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
Rename to "Locke's test"Edit
See above. Every character has a list of items in their infobox. This article covers a test that uses one such collection of items - one distinct from a separate list of "Richard's items" in the lower infobox.
We can't name this "Leader test" or something similar unfortunately because we don't know what tests other leaders took. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 14:03, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
Agree with renaming the article to "Locke's test" or perhaps even, "Young Locke's test". But I also think the list of "items" should be renamed to perhaps "test (choose one - items, pieces, objects)." --Just Sayin' 14:15, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
