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Merge

I disagree with the merge, it is Fanon and it's things to support the purgatory theory--CaptainInsano


I think that this should be merged now, especially bearing in mind that the theory has been debunked (snippet taken from The_Listening_Station#Theories

Furthermore, the day after the episode first aired, head writer Damon Lindelof had this to say in the New York Times: "People who believe that they're in purgatory or that they're subjects of an experiment are going to start reassessing those theories based on the fact that we are literally showing you the outside world." (emphasis added) That statement would have no meaning unless this was the outside world in the present, because we've been seeing the outside world in flashbacks all along.

This is a pure extension of the Theries section of original purgatory article. The contents of this page should be moved to the original article and this page set up to redirect to it. --ActiveValue 02:42, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

FOR - Mikey - "so emo, it hurts 06:20, 31 May 2006 (PDT)

Shouldn't this page be the main one to clarify that it's a theory? -- Ramirez Selvarn 20:25, 9 June 2006 (PDT)
If everyone came to a revelation before they died, what terms did Libby come to? Marik7772003 19:28, 8 August 2006 (PDT)
Libby is a special case in that she had no flash back so we dont know what sort of problems she had. We speculate that she is a compulsive liar but it's not set in stone. We still have more to learn about libby, was she stalking hurley? Why was she on the plane? etc... Kman        talk contribs                   19:32, 8 August 2006 (PDT)

Merge (2010)

The merge is a bad idea. There is nothing in the CANON dismissing the Purgatory theory as stated on this page. This was "dismissed" several years ago, but I ask you to look at potential motives of the writers. Don't you think that it is possible that they realized that the fan community had realized the outcome too early, so they threw out a red herring denial of the theory to throw everyone off. The theory does contradict itself - Widmore was on the island in the 1950s, meaning that it he was in purgatory then penny was born in purgatory and desmond met her there as well, meaning that when he met jack in the soccer stadium they both were dead - yet it explains why claire's mom was alive to take aaron back from jack, how desmond could see the future, why people from the ajira flight were "flashed" into different time periods, why richard was immortal (because he wouldn't deal with his own sins, and jacob (a man in purgatory as well, though weilding power, couldnt absolve him), and WHY THERE WAS TIME TRAVEL. Hey everyone - TIME TRAVEL ISNT REAL. For a show as intricately constructed as Lost, do you really think that it would ask you to suspend disbelief and assume that time travel and a shape shifting smoke monster were possible on the normal dimension of reality? I like to think that the six years i spent watching the show werent wasted on absurdities like that. This, to me, is the only theory that makes sense, and the fact that at least some people think (or thought) it to be true is grounds for not only not merging it but also changing the autodirect from the query "purgatory" to the flash sideways, a connection that is an assumption and one that i believe violates the canon policy. - TFS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ppka103 (talkcontribs) .

Uh... what? Are you saying the Island is Purgatory, completely discredited by the second half of the series? Or are you saying that the entire world of Lost is Purgatory? --- Balk Of Fametalk 07:15, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Remnant from the old purgatory entry, archived.

Problems

  • The show's producers have denied that the characters are in a "purgatory" as a whole.
In particular, the day after the episode Live Together, Die Alone first aired in the US, the head writer Damon Lindelof wrote the following in the New York Times:
"People who believe that they're in purgatory or that they're subjects of an experiment are going to start reassessing those theories based on the fact that we are literally showing you the outside world."
That statement would have no meaning unless this was the outside world in the present, because we've been seeing the outside world in flashbacks all along. Note that Damon Lindelof appears to be dismissing more than just the purgatory theory with this comment.


--†††GodEmperorOfHell††† 09:35, 21 July 2006 (PDT)

Delete

  • needs to be deleted. Debunked by the creators. --Marik7772003 17:14, 22 November 2006 (PST)
  • Even though accepted as not true the info can still be used to show why people might believe this or come up with this theory again from scratch, and to retain the information for them as to why it wouldn't be true. --the circus 23:36, 22 November 2006 (PST)the circus
  • Keep for historical reasons. This was the first theory about Lost I heard, and it was probably the biggest and most well-known theory in the first few episodes. --Blueeagleislander 00:44, 23 November 2006 (PST)
  • Delete: would understand if it stays.--CaptainInsano 06:13, 24 November 2006 (PST)
  • Keep and Rename. The writer's deliberately kept this in the air until the very very end of season 2. It's an important theory and it brings insight to a lot of religious themes that are present even if purgatory is not the answer. Renaming to (Debunked Theory) should be enough. --EvilSmoke 06:32, 24 November 2006 (PST)
  • Keep and rename After thinking about it, I think this might be the right idea. We should do this for all debunked theories. -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  07:20, 24 November 2006 (PST)
  • Keep and Rename for the above reasons-- 12:28, 24 November 2006 (PST)

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