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We need to remove this page. It is against fair use laws. It may illustrate who does the voices for which actor, but this function is served by the individual pages for each voice actor, which we could serve with a list called Voice actor by character We don't need a gallery to do it.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  02:13, 7 March 2007 (PST)

    • What the hell???? Why use usch complex vocabulary. You must be aware that not all users will understand it. Please translate the above.Princess Dharma (banned)
  • Thinking -- I'll look at issues of fair use a bit more, especially as headshots are intended explicitly as promotional images, and not primary content (as are episode screencaps). I disagree that this is an arbitrarily decorative gallery page. It has often been noted that the faces of voice actors correlate with their voices, a point which is illustrated here. It illustrates the similarity (or lack thereof) of the people who do dubbing in various languages, a task that simply is not possible without headshots. In fact we had been considering comparative articles listing "Voice actors for Jack" and "Voice actors for Kate" etc. article, but collected these here in one article. In Lostpedia we have many illustrative tables which collect images available elsewhere in individual articles (e.g. animals, Military), as well as questionable sequences such as Room 23, and nearly every episode article. (Adding a brief image caption, or interspersing screencaps within text does not circumvent fair use in the strict sense, similar to what you are trying to apply; these are indeed "galleries"). There are many other examples, especially comparison pages such as Thomas, Paintings (Widmore), the various comparisons of Marvin Candle in the various films-- and these match nicely with the claim of voice actor headshots' usage as comparisons... and these more defensible under fair use compared to the explicit gallery in Mural (of which the claim to be illustrative is tenuous at best) and the chronological slide sequence of Room 23, as well as the very similar portals that are in fact galleries as far as fair use is concerned (in the strict sense): Portal:Main Characters and Portal:Supporting Characters -- if necessary, the face comparison content could move to be a subsection of the primary voice actors article. This article is therefore not intended as a decorative gallery (and therefore theft of copyrighted content) but has a very different use, which is illustrative of a point (comparison), in the same way many other tables in Lostpedia are. Multiple images used in an article, or organized into a table (with some other logic) does not in itself violate fair use. A lack of logic, or a logic that exploits ownership of content (such as a chronological sequence of "many" screenshots from an episode, whether or not interspersed with text or captions), is what denotes unfair use of copyrighted content. In other words there are many examples of unfair use that lie outside the category of "galleries". Anyhow I mainly wanted to point out this article's intent of comparison: it's a subtle difference, but it may be enough to justify fair use of promotional headshots, especially in the context of the rest of Lostpedia. -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk  20:42, 9 March 2007 (PST)

Keep - Okay, Here is my opinion on this matter. This page does not break fair use laws in anyway. From § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights from Title 17 of the United States Code.

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Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright

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This page is used for the comparison of the images of the voice actors for each separate character. The page is indeed used for the criticism and comment and is therefore not an infringement of copyright laws or there fair use laws.

Besides that fact the images we are using are all promotion pictures, 99% of which have been released by Talent Agencies for the various actors. I am sure that the talent agencies would likely have no problem with the usage of their images, as on most voice actor articles we link to the talent agency site, or the profile and/or all websites which we got information from on that voice actor. We in most cases properly credit where we got the images from. We are also not in anyway using these images for profit or for entertainment, which are two major things that usually indicate copyright infringement or lack of following of fair use laws. The images we are using are also not works sold for money, and therefore we have no chance of getting in trouble for that. I could go on, however I will not. To conclude I think that while this page may not be the most legal and there is definitely some possibility that people may think that we are violating fair use laws the ways we are using these images, is in no way violating major copyright laws anymore that quite a few more of our articles as Santa listed. And after a bit of discussion me and Santa agreed that adding a small blurb into the opening paragraph that states that this page is for comparison only, and if we really need to(although i don't think we do), a small section noting similarities such as all the Hurley voice actors are fat, or all of the Bernard voice actors are old (although a little more politely) at the bottom would definitely make sure that we are complying with fair use and copyright laws. -Mr.Leaf 14:51, 10 March 2007 (PST)

Keep: Disregarding the ambiguity over the law itself, I agree with the simple argument that this isn't a gallery - its a comparison of actors in a visual fashion ;-) --Nickb123 (Talk) 12:24, 11 March 2007 (PDT)
Do I get my montage back then? Princess Dharma (banned)
No cause that IS a gallery for no valid educational, criticism or commentworthy purpose --Nickb123 (Talk) 12:29, 11 March 2007 (PDT)
It is there for all three: to educate you on Sun's beauty; to allow you to critise said beauty and for you to comment on said beauty. Princess Dharma (banned)
Unfortunately those are really weak arguments. Besides this is not the page for this discussion, this page is to discuss the voice actor faces page. If you wish to continue the discussion on your montage s(although I don't recommend it) please do so on my talk page or another Sysop's. Although I wold recommend that what is done is done and that bringing back the issue is not a smart thing to do.-Mr.Leaf 13:16, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

Consensus = Keep. I also took steps to move this into a portal.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 13:31, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

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