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Exiled?

How are James, Juliet, and Kate exiled? They are on the sub, but the sub hasn't left. Jack Dutton 01:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The sub was not shown actually leaving the island's waters and, just a few minutes later, SPOILER REMOVED Kainaw 01:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Spoilers...

Agreed.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  02:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

  • how is exiled a spoiler the spoiler would be saying they are on the island cuz we all know they go back. By the way we did see the sub leaving the island, watch it again and you may notice the giant sub leaving the island. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  23:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

All listed as missing/unknown?

Even Juliet? Well, except Locke (who's definitely dead) and possibly Sun and Ben (who are probably still alive), but everyone near the Swan in 1977? Illyrias Acolyte 03:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm thinking maybe we should list everyone as unknown, even dead people, until we find out whether or not they returned to 2004 or didn't and are therefore still dead. Everybody who was near the bomb is unknown anyway ... Possible exclusion for Desmond and Walt (who would still be alive either way) --LeoChris 03:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Every character should be unknown that means AL, Boone, Locke, Eko, Jack, Sun, all of them. From everything weve been told this brings back everyone and the plane lands safely. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  03:45, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
    • I'd caution against that actually, because that's assuming their plan worked the way they thought it would. Perhaps they didn't prevent Flight 815 from crashing but still didn't die, therefore Ana, Boone, et al. would still be dead. Illyrias Acolyte 03:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
      • That's just it. Listing the dead as dead assumes it didn't work. Listing them as alive assumes it did. Listing them as unknown doesn't assume anything, so I really think it's the best case scenario. --LeoChris 04:05, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
        • I still think it's assuming too much. I guess I'm suggesting that the people who were alive when the bomb went off are unknown until proven otherwise, like Jin, and the people who were dead in the show before it would be dead until proven otherwise. Illyrias Acolyte 04:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
          • I agree that every character, living or dead, should be listed as unknown, except for Desmond and Walt who are alive either way. If the bomb really went off and the plan worked, then all passengers of Flight 815 would safely land in LA; the Kahana wouldn't be sent to find them, so Dan and Charlotte would be alive too. And if the bomb went off but the plan didn't work, then everyone near the Swan is dead. QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force... 08:19, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Here's another idea. List all characters with their known status, but leave a note about the Jughead detonation and its possible outcomes. QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force... 16:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
    • That sounds better. Listing everyone as unknown is very confusing and defeats the purpose of the color code. I vote for listing the 1977 characters as unknown, Locke as dead, Sun and Ben as alive and everyone else as they were. --kristbg 16:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Right now we have a bit of a mess in this page. If Oceanic 815 lands safely on LAX, how can we be sure that Daniel, for example, stays dead? Or maybe Desmond stays indefnitely on the island? The fact that Jughead exploded next to the energy pocket means that we don't know if the people on the Island at the time are alive, but applying that to EVERY CHARACTER ON THE SHOW is way too much speculation. Let's stick to the facts we have right now... I changed the dead characters' status back to what they were for now. --kristbg 19:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

A New Main Character?

Following the Incident Part1&2, things changed about John Locke. By now John Locke is officially dead, and Terry O'Quinn doesn't portray John Locke anymore. In my opinion, by now Jacob's unidentified enemy is a new main character who is portrayed by a main cast member: O'Quinn. His episode count is 6 so far. I know that two Terry O'Quinns on this portal sound crazy, but there's no John Locke anymore --Paintbox 15:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Let's just wait and see on that. For all we know, Locke's soul is in there too somewhere, which would make him part-Locke. That seems very confusing, and we probably shouldn't make this any more complicated without knowing the stakes. Illyrias Acolyte 15:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Paintbox, I agree 100%. Locke should be listed as DEAD here (but he's not -- can someone change that?) and the new character named "Jacob's Enemy" should be added to the portal. Marc604 02:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
  • He shouldnt be dead we have no clue what his status is thus until the premiere he should be unknown. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  03:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
  • we don't? did you watch the same episode as the rest of us? He's dead. If it turns out he's magically alive in the premier, so be it, but this page is based on what we know, and as far as we know, he's dead. --Jtmoore 03:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
  • No you know what I must have gotten confused and accidentally watched an episode of South Park and thought it was lost. As far as we know blowing up a nuclear bomb will kill you if your right next to it so juliet should be considered dead by your standards. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  15:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Last time we saw Locke, he was dead. He was a corpse. Last time we saw Juliet, she was alive, if only barely. Hence, Locke is dead. We shouldn't list him as otherwise because we watched Ben kill him and we saw his corpse. For reasons why he shouldn't be listed as unknown because Jughead might have changed the past/future/whatever, see the ones listed above this section. Illyrias Acolyte 15:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  • We just saw Lockes dead body, Locke is Dead! Someone needs to update his pic to red...
  • Agree. Jacob's enemy should be added here. QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force... 16:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
    • I agree as well, but with the added caution that we don't know very much about the nature of this character, and we can't presume that he'll be back for the majority of next season, as Locke or as anyone. I'd say add him when we have more information. Illyrias Acolyte 18:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Disagree until we have more information next season.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  19:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Im gonna have to call hipocracy here Jimbo I noticed you changed Lockes status to dead on his portal so if lockes dead and you dont consider this enemy a main character then who has O'Quinn been appearing as? There two sides of the fence #1 Locke is dead and O quinn appears as this enemy #2 Lockes alive and oquinss appearing as locke just like old times. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  20:30, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Then let me be more specific. John Locke is dead, but for the past few episodes we have been considering the impersonator as John Locke, which (to me) still makes John Locke a main character for purposes of character appearances, credits, etc. Now that we have discovered that this is not John Locke, we know that real Locke is dead (hence the portal change). However, we will not know, until next season, whether this new character will be considered a main character or even if he will be portrayed by Terry O'Quinn. Any such episodes after this point should count as appearances/credits/etc of Jacob's enemy, and not of Locke, but any previous episodes should count as Locke because that's the information you operate under while watching the episode (same reasons we don't go retroactively change episode articles to say "Jacob's enemy" instead of Locke). Thus, my disagreement is specifically in adding a new character to the portal until we know what's going on. It's not hypocrisy, it's common sense and it's in keeping with the way episode articles are being done.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  21:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Unsure I think Locke should be left as Unknown until we know more. It's interesting that no matter how many times LOST fools us, as soon as a new view is presented, we believe that this time everything is just as it seems all of a sudden. User:Jnlwriter 2:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Locke is dead. If this is proven to be different next season, then it will be changed to accomodate that. But as of right now, he's a goner. *Sniff* Marc604 08:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  • As of right now, there are two discussions happening here. First, is Locke dead or unknown. I would say that according to the best information we currently have, Locke is dead and an impostor is pretending to be him. Whether or not this turns out to be the case later on isn't really the issue, we go with what we have for now. Second, should Terry O'Quinn's impostor Locke be added to this page. Main characters are determined by if they are credited as starring roles. So far "Terry O'Quinn as Locke" has been credited as a starring role, but "Terry O'Quinn as Jacob's enemy" has not. Having the actor credited can't be the only consideration, we also have to consider if the character has been credited. Next season if the character is credited as a starring role, then we will have to add it, but until then, no.Triptolemus 14:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Although obviously we have quite as while to think about this, come season 6 should we be showing this new character as a 26th main character? Im presuming here but its safe to say this new character will be a series regular and still played by Terry O' Quinn, should we consider him another main character? Perhaps even right now as of the end of season 5? Btw Locke is most definitely dead, I feel theyve made that very clear, what with his body and all. No need to make him unknown InflatableBombshelter 02:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Are these alive/dead/unknown confirmed by the writers?

Just seems like someone's opinion in some cases, rather than canon. Not that I'm stressing about this, I just want to know what the process is--what is confirmed on Lostpedia, if anything, and what is theory.

  • As far as the season 5 cast is concerned, we saw Locke's body (so he's definitely dead) and Ben and Sun are alive and well around the Statue. Neither was in any immediate peril. As for the 1977 cast, they were all around a hydrogen bomb when it presumably exploded. They could be alive or dead or blown back in time or a hundred other things, hence the unknown status rather than alive. That's why Claire has been listed as unknown all this time: it's what the category is for. Illyrias Acolyte 14:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  • For the most part, statuses are readily apparent to everyone. Obviously some cases are more controversial than others, and in those cases we try to come up with a consensus on this talk page. The writers rarely confirm anything. If they did that would be a definitive answer, but especially with regard to finales, they try to keep quiet. Just because something isn't confirmed doesn't mean it's a theory. We should be able to reach conclusions about things from the show itself without direct confirmation from the writers, and if the information we have now later turns out to be wrong, we'll change it. It's impossible to predict what information we will have in the future, which is why we make decisions based on the information we have now. Nobody's trying to claim that we should take on faith that what appears to be true is actually true, but if we don't have a specific reason to doubt it yet, then we should go with it. Triptolemus 14:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  • I disagree the stauses are not really apparent as half the cast is unknown its all about perception on this site. --THE REAL DEAL998 03:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Follow The Leader

Should Richard not be listed here now after "Follow the Leader"? --Nathan kirkwood 19:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

  • This is a list of series regulars. As of Season Five, Nestor Carbonell is still a guest star, as much as he should be promoted. Marc604 20:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
  • This list includes only characters who appear in the main credits. Richard is still a guest star. If he should end up being promoted to regular status next season, then we will add him, but until then, he stays out. Just because he got an episode to himself (supposedly) doesn't make him a main character. Six other guest characters have had flashbacks, and only one of them is in here (Desmond). Illyrias Acolyte 23:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Yeah just look at the names under the "Starring" part those are the MCs im sure though well be able to add him next year when he hopefully gets promoted. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  23:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Episode Counts

I think the current template has some problems about the episode counts of some main characters. It looks like -for example- Boone had 25 , Walt had 31, and Desmond had 38 appearances as main characters. But this is not true. These characters didn't make all of their appearances as regulars. I think we have to seperate their main cast and guest star appearances in the characters' pages. Otherwise it would be misleading. -- Paintbox 12:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

  • No I don't see how it's misleading. Besides, the episode counts are only visible in the coding, and we had to order them *somehow*. --LeoChris 14:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't say we have to remove the "episode count" information. I just say that we have to provide the details of the episode count information on each character's page. Let's assume that Richard becomes a series regular in Season 6. I think this character's page should include this information: "Episode Count:26(for example), As a Guest Star:18, As A Regular:8". Doesn't this provide a more accurate information? -- Paintbox 15:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
  • No The episode counts aren't there to provide the information to the reader (we have several other pages for that). It's simply the way we order the portals. There's no need to make it more complicated.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  20:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Spoiler removed now confirmed as series regular

According to TVGuide[1] and various other sources, it was confirmed at Lost's panel at Comic Con 09 that Spoiler removed has been promoted to being a series regular for the final season, and will be in 16 of the final 18 episodes. Does this qualify Spoiler removed for this page or do we have to wait until next year when he's named in the opening credits of an episode as per the stupid rule that's set in place which allows Nikki and Paulo to be included on this list? Juhsayngul 15:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

And how is it a spoiler that someone is now a series regular? Please explain this to me. Nothing new is known about the character nor are any plot details revealed in any way! It is irrational to say that knowing someone's billing status will affect one's enjoyment of the show. It makes no difference whatsoever if someone finds out now than if they find out the very second his name shows up within the first ten minutes of the season anyway. Juhsayngul 15:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

  • While I agree with you about all your points and have started a discussion this about it, until that gets resolved, rules is rules. Please come contribute to the discussion about "de-spoilering" this so that hopefully we can get the SysOps to agree, which is the procedure under the current spoiler policy (which, it's no big secret that I think sucks).  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  21:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I have read on wikipedia that in 2010 Spoiler removed will be a main chracter. --Station7 17:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

And that is irrelevant and violates the spoiler policy. Do not add any new main cast for next season. At all. Unless you want to get banned. --Golden Monkey 17:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Lock

Can we please lock this page for a bit? Basically, the only edits there can be for a while are people adding spoilers and people removing spoilers. There's not much else that can be done. --Golden Monkey 18:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Before the page is considered for a lock, I beg that the "spoiler" itself should be taken into consideration. There exists a discussion about this exact topic that includes reasoning for this to be exempted as spoiler material. Juhsayngul 05:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Page locked until January 15, 2010.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 16:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
If ABC releases the main cast info before then, can we unlock the page early. What if the season premieres earlier then that. But, good call on locking the page. cgmv123TalkContribsNew Spoiler Policy! 17:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
No. Please read Lostpedia:Spoiler_policy#Spoilers_on_Lostpedia. This page will be unlocked when season 6 episode 1 airs. The unlock date can be updated once the airdate is announced.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 18:22, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Season Six main character

POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT When do you guys typically add new confirmed main characters to the list? After the season premiere only? Or after the person has been confirmed? The reason I ask is that ABC has announced that Nestor Carbonell has been promoted to series regular for the final season, so he should move from the supporting characters page to this page. Marc604 22:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

There was a discussion here that resulted in the SysOps de-spoilering the information regarding Nestor Carbonell so that it can be discussedin the wiki. However, I don't think it's worth it to add him to this page until the season premeiere. Just my two cents.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  23:04, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I just made my voice heard over there. We'll see. Marc604 21:28, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Nikki & Paulo

I really don't care how tired people are of hearing about this. I would discuss it forever because Nikki & Paulo don't belong on the Main Characters page. For that matter I question whether Charlotte and Libby belong here as well. Why is this not a valid topic for discussion?

Why don't you just let people update this page and then we would organize this appropriately ourselves. I'm sorry but is this not a Wiki?--Tpbaxter 19:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

ReplyConsencus has been reached times and times again that if an actor is listed in the credits starring, their character is a main character. Cynthia, Rebecca, Kiele and Rodrigo were all credited as such. This makes their characters main characters. It's really as simple as that, it's been discussed over and over again. The impact they had (or didn't have) on the story is irrelevant to how they were credited. See, the thing is, if we use any other system, it becomes a subjective thing, which is, in my opinion anyway, unencyclopedic. The page has been locked to prevent casting spoilers. But I think this info has been officially unspoiled since then by Sysops so perhaps it'll be unlocked, I don't know, that's another matter ... --LeoChris 21:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
  • No: Nikki and Paulo are main characters, and there is no debating that. They were credited as such, appeared on season promos, and were main chaarcters in Season 3. They will always be main characters. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 23:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
  • No It's been settled a number of times before. If you want to keep discussing it, please bring up a new point. And you're right, this is a wiki. Meaning that user consensus rules. It's not about what you want, it's about what the consensus is.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  07:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Reply Ok. I accept the consensus personally but when I was originally reading the debates I wasn't convinced the consensus was having its way. I'll just say if Lost were a book you had to read in high school and you wrote that Nikki and/or Paulo were main characters on a test then you'd probably get that question wrong. Strangely enough, didn't Terry O'Quinn win an emmy for best supporting actor? It's an ensemble cast so maybe the problem is the categorization method being used? Maybe all the characters should just go on one page?--Tpbaxter 00:27, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
It's best to not bring up the Emmy categories here, as they're completely different. If we go with that idea, then ONLY Jack and Kate will be main characters, as they're the only two to submit themselves in the Lead Actor/Actress categories at the Emmys, Golden Globes, etc. And likely, that same teacher would flunk you for saying that in the whole of Lost, there are ONLY two main characters, and people like Sawyer, Locke, and Sayid are all supporting. Nope. Instead, you need to redefine your definition of "main character." Here at Lostpedia, that term is used to describe anyone who was credited as a regular. That's it. It doesn't matter how important, or how unimportant, they were. THAT is our definition. If you're suggesting a rename from "Main Characters" to "Series Regular Characters," you might have some basis, but no one shall be added or deleted from the main character list, because those listed all adhere to that definition. Marc604 20:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Let's include Marc's latest post in the main characters portal, since it's the most satisfying reply to this never-ending Nikki&Paulo discussion. --Paintbox 08:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Haha! Marc604 20:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Death

SPOILER REMOVED, Damon says. Should be moved. --Golden Monkey 23:24, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

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