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This page needs some MAJOR work. I suggest this page should have links to

  • Island locations
  • DHARMA Stations
  • Filming locations

which would be linked to the correct category. Any suggestions or objections? -- Ramirez Selvarn

Contents

Something's Wrong...

It says that the barracks were first introduced in "?" but does not color in the box for season 2. That needs to be fixed. Are we going to decide that it was introduced in ? or A Tale Of Two Cities? (In ? the barracks are shown in the Pearl Station's orientation video)

Additional Heading

I suggest adding a link to locations off the Island which are shown in realtime and not flashbacks.

Suggestion

Someone make a cool template with the location photos, ... i'm so tired now to make it!! --.:: Image:Bra.gif zOn3™ ::.

OK.. i made this! .:: Image:Bra.gif zOn3™ ::.

Location of Listening Station

Missing Map?

Hi, really impressive site, but I notice one major - minor thing is missing. The Island itself, we have seen at least one map in series 1, it may not be very good but it might be a starting point. What might be nice (and a good idea) is a mapping project tying things together - Black Rock, the hatch, the Pearl, etc etc. Ok I know this is going to be difficult, but maybe someone from the series itself might just .. help? Just an idea.

Thanks - Robert Lucien

this is a good point, and raises a good question which i'm not well up enough on cats to answer; is it possible to have a heirarchical structure; ie;

category:locations -

contains the island, and other as subcats, ie:
((category:island locations - contains
(the swan, the pearl, etc.))

and

(category:other locations - contains
(sydney airport, heathrow airport, etc.)))

... cos that would be ideal, if doable. --kaini. 19:38, 2 August 2006 (PDT)

New

Some of these new locations have been around for months now, when do they stop being new? --elpaw 16:15, 27 August 2006 (PDT)

created

  • Instead of discovered/created, is discovered/introduced or simply introduced more accurate wording? -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk 12:23, 31 August 2006 (PDT)
"Introduced" sounds good. Cheers 10:50, 1 September 2006 (PDT)
  • Went ahead and made this change, since this makes a lot more sense (I said "First Introduced"). It was just causing conflicts and confusion the other way, when for example, the Tiger Pit was 'discovered' in Everybody Hates Hugo, but 'created' (explained in flashback) in an episode that followed it, The Other 48 Days. --PandoraX 17:34, 17 September 2006 (PDT)

A few questions

I have a few q's hoping to get answered:

1) What's the difference between a Portal: and a Category:? I notice a lot of overlap with these, but sometimes the two do not match well, and some are left off one list while included in another. Is there any reason to have both?

2) Should we include places like Nigeria and Iraq on this list, or are they too broad?

3) I'd like to include a location that we've seen more than once, but not sure what to call it. It's the place with the sandstone rock where Desmond killed Kelvin in the finale; we also saw it in "Collision" when the tail section (with the raft group) try to skirt the island (at that point they decide not to follow the beach because it would take too long and Sawyer might die). Would like to hear a good name for it, otherwise I may make one up. --PandoraX 09:35, 1 September 2006 (PDT)

Just MHO:
1) I've always thought of a portal as a sort of reader-friendly category. A portal article shares some characteristics with a list article in the sense that it can include a brief description and images whereas a category merely lists the existing articles on the subject. On the other hand, a portal does also share some characteristics with a category in the sense that it generally points only to existing articles, whereas the purpose of a list on the same subject is generally to list all items on the subject, regardless of the fact that a particular article exists on each of them or not. A portal doesn't necessarily include all the items that are in the category of the same name, for example the Locations portal doesn't include fan locations, countries, etc. (but it could also choose to include them). Thus, a portal may be narrower in scope than a category and also than a list, but the portal generally aims at a better graphic presentation of the items it does include. A portal could also be compared to a root article but often less elaborate in text and often more elaborate in graphic presentation.
2)No opinion.
3)You mean the Elizabeth Cove? (just kidding). Well, you'll include it in the portal if an article already exists about it. If the article does exist, it already has a name, problem solved. If it doesn't exist, you'll have to choose a name for it and write the article. Cheers 10:12, 1 September 2006 (PDT)
Thanks for the feedback on #1. As for #3, I know it doesn't exist yet, and I know I'll have to come up with a title. I'm just not sure what to call it yet. I'm thinking something along the lines of "Sandstone Cove" or something like that (yes, where the Elizabeth was found :)), but looking to see if someone has a better name for it. --PandoraX 10:59, 1 September 2006 (PDT)

Here's a screencap: http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/finale/19/normal_livediecap0946.jpg


Flame

Considering its not even a visited location, should we not remove this until its time? --Nickb123 (Talk) 06:57, 4 September 2006 (PDT)

Yep.--CaptainInsano 06:58, 4 September 2006 (PDT)

subhead edits

  • please discuss subhead edits here. I recently made two edits:
  1. remove wiki links from subhead text (in other words ==text here==). Subhead text should not be wikified because direct wikilinks to the subheads via # anchors will not function.
  2. I replaced all subheads with single equal signs =example= with double ==example==. These correspond to "on the island" and "off the island". Previously, the sections for "see also" and "external links" were erroneously falling under "off the island" in the TOC. Also single equal sign subheads are not standard use.
  • please discuss edit or reversion rationale before reverting again
-- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk 03:42, 7 September 2006 (PDT)


I agree with Santa. It is advisable to:
  1. discuss large controversial reverts before making them.
  2. mention to which version the revert is made - this helps users know what has been reverted without having to go through every version in the history.
  3. not label a revert, especially a large one, as a minor edit.
I had also made two types of edits that were reverted and then restored:
  1. fixed the size of images that spilled outside of their assigned field and were messing the page graphism. - Ideally all images inserted on this page would have identical dimensions, but since unfortunately some of the current images do have different dimensions, they need be adjusted as to their height to fit into their field, which means that their width will vary.
  2. made text consistent with edition guidelines regarding capitalization. - On this point, SilvaStorm asked a question on my user talk page that I tried to answer in some detail. It was actually a good question and some other users may be interested in the topic, so instead of duplicating it here, I'll just refer to the corresponding section on my talk page for detail.
Cheers 10:14, 7 September 2006 (PDT)

This page looks very unprofessional now

Although User:Cheers has given reasons, this page looks very unprofessional without capital letters on the titles of each location. Even the descriptions of the DHARMA stations (eg. "Electromagnetic Research Station") looks completely ridiculous without proper capitalization. --SilvaStorm

I will be reverting it back. Although I understand what Cheers is trying to say, the user is incorrect in his use of English. These things are titles for the locations, not actually names, therefore they should be capitalised. --plkrtn 02:52, 8 September 2006 (PDT)
Exactly! Thank you, plkrtn. --SilvaStorm 14:55, 9 September 2006 (PDT)
No. In some cases you are right, in some cases Cheers is right. Pieces of text are proper nouns if they are, for example, names of movie titles or other singular entities. Pieces of text do not become Titles by virtual of being a Lostpedia article name, nor by being an article's subhead text name. In other words, "Electromagnetic Research Station" may be a proper noun, but "Losties' Places is definitely not, and should be: "Losties' places". If in doubt, please see the precedence of the entire rest of Lostpedia (although there are some errors) and Wikipedia. What individual users judge as "professional" should not be the criterion. If there are other justifications for what are otherwise inconsistencies in capitalizations, then those should be discussed and argued for. -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk 12:40, 21 September 2006 (PDT)
  • Couple of issues here:
  1. Silvastorm's first revision had the subheads in the wrong order; he is concerned about visual "look" but was apparently mis-using == and === only for boldface purposes, ignoring completely their consequences in the TOC, see his revision here. As you can see, he skips from single = to triple === just for the look, and further ignores that "see also" and "external links" were categorized under "off the island" in the TOC.
  2. Second, both WP and Lostpedia have a capitalization convention of subheads and articles based on proper nouns; subheads are not themselves titles (as in the title of a movie), and are not capitalized as such. In particular see the entirety of Lostpedia: The subheads are "See also" and "External Link"; not "See Also" and "External Links". Article titles are: "Desmond's letter" not "Desmond's Letter". etc.
    • For now, I've reverted capitalization of the "See also" and "External links" subheads for consistency/precedence with the rest of Lostpedia, but not the other subhead titles, because the case could be made that for some reason, Portals are different in Lostpedia; I assume that is plkrtn's intent. -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk 12:28, 21 September 2006 (PDT)

What to Name?

Wow its been a long summer. Page looks great. I tentatively titled the new Others' Camp to be the Others' Suburb. Since I presume this was a big reveal, I will keep an eye out for any ABC-led guidance as far as what they call it.--Bernini 20:57, 4 October 2006 (PDT)

Distinguishing between DHARMA & Others' places

I think I may have mentioned this before, but I'd like to revisit this. It is becoming harder and harder to make this distinction, with mounting evidence that the Others are what are left over of DHARMA; also, the Others use most of the DHARMA facilities as their own, so is it worthwhile to try to separate them? For example, the Pala Ferry, I'd say is pretty much crossover. It is mentioned in the DHARMA Pearl film, but is obviously in active use by the Others. I think we should combine the cats. --PandoraX 14:45, 22 October 2006 (PDT)

Add a geography part to every island location?

In most of the articles, there is a Trivia or Unanswered questions Heading.. Could we add a Geography section, where we would list all the geographic reference for a specific location? Exemple, in the Pearl article, we could add that it is Northwest of the Barracks, according to Ben's map. I think it would add great value, because the geographic informations are actually not displayed in a regular way, if not untreated.--Jflemonde 19:12, 30 May 2007 (PDT)

Season 4

No one has started updating this for Season 4. I'm going to give someone who might know what they're doing to create the new templates (14, 124, 134, 1234, 4) and if I still find it undone I'm going to take a crack at it. --Ohmyn0 (talk) 11:40, 13 February 2008 (PST)

UK in 4x03?

I noticed United Kingdom is listed as being in "The Economist". Is this right? I don't know if being mentioned or something counts as an appearance.--Baker1000 13:27, 20 February 2008 (PST)

Ah, someone removed it.--Baker1000 18:29, 24 February 2008 (PST)

What to keep, what to remove

Alright, I suggest we remove the locations that have only been seen in one episode in flashbacks (such as St. Francis hospital, Southway Garrison), BUT at the same keep the on-island locations that are mysterious (statue) and will probably be important. I will list some one the locations I'm not certain about keeping. I guess we should be democratic and vote for which ones to get rid of (so sign if you want to remove them from this portal... for now) * --Ohmyn0 (talk) 21:43, 28 February 2008 (PST)


The Orchid station It hasn't been revealed/talked about on the show yet


The Temple Has been mentioned, but not seen.


Southway Garrison Has been seen in only one flashback episode


St. Francis Hospital Has only been seen in one flashback episode

Season-based color coding

  • I've updated all the templates for this page to make the color-coding less intrusive. --MacCutcheon – Talk? 06:01, 9 March 2008 (PDT)
    • That is unfortunate. I really liked the old ones. It's more boring now, in my opinion. --Ohmyn0 (talk) 08:36, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
      • I'm sure you know how the old one looked, just repeating it for potential lurkers: It had lots of dark bars over every location item, spanning over the whole screen width. It was very irritating and hard to read and (my opinion) it did not look very professional. I'm sure the current approach isn't perfect either, though. If there are more (reasonable) objections regarding how it does look right now, I might change it back to how it was of course. --MacCutcheon – Talk? 09:36, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
    • Agreed, the squares look a lot cleaner and sharper than the colour-coded stripes. Froglars 09:40, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
    • I have no problem keeping the squares... I just think it looked good with a top line as a visual seperator of the different locations. --Ohmyn0 (talk) 13:27, 10 March 2008 (PDT)


Deletion?

I think that locations that have only been seen once, and have been visited ver few times should be deleted. Liike the Rope Bridge and the Tiger Pit for instance. User:Benlinus 15:24, 3 May 2008 (PDT)

Templates

Is it possible to create one template for all the sesaons? It's quite problematic having all these templates :1, 2, 13, 123, 34... And now there should be more of them: 1235, 345, 5... --Kemot from Poland 17:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Done. I used a #switch function for Template:Locations and added a season 5 color (or blank). That template in itself it quite unruly to manage, as there are currently 31 possibilities of season combinations (as of S5). All I need now is someone to delete all of the old templates. --Ohmyn0 (talk) 16:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Can anyone tell me what's up with the countries at the bottom? After Fiji all of the episode templates are blank...--Baker1000 16:51, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The colors template on the top of the page is locked. Why? It seems that it will stay like this for the rest of the season. Need to be changed. --Kemot from Poland 19:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Vote: North or South

A large number of articles make determinations as to their location based on two conflicting theories (Barracks is South of Beach Camp vs. Barracks is North of Beach Camp). I propose we either vote and chose one, and change all pages to match, or we vote to remove all directions that aren't specifically mentioned or seen in the show. I personally vote for:

  • Barracks is North: As mentioned by many survivors and shown on Kate's map. --Hugo815 18:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Barracks is North --Blueeagleislander 09:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
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