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Can I get some feedback please. We seem to all agreed that arranging the portals affiliation was the best way to do it. What do people think? -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  14:26, 12 August 2007 (PDT)

Edits

Arzt is dead, Locke defected to others, Namoi- her status on her page says unknown, so should she get a red background like mike and walt? --Gluphokquen Gunih 16:40, 12 August 2007 (PDT)

Thanks, will work on them now... Though we don't know if Locke has affiliated himself with the Others yet, he may branch out on his own... after all Ben betrayed him -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  18:52, 12 August 2007 (PDT)

Alex is Dead

New Revision

New revision based upon the French Lostpedia's portals. What do people think? Images have got to be created for every portal, and I'm half way through that, just wanted to demo with what we had. -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  22:18, 14 August 2007 (PDT)

  • Looks great, only change i would suggest is make the colors dead and alive farter appart --ZEKE?(> 19:54, 19 August 2007 (PDT)
  • I think there should only be the main charactors in there. You know, the 'supporting charactors' section is there for a reason. Quint
  • I think someone missed the discussion. We are re-organising the portals and this is the first part of this. The difficulty came from defining who was a "main character" and a "supporting character", with some suggesting Rose and Bernard are supporting characters, when others had decided that they are main characters because they'd had a flashback. So, a re-organisation is taking place which will account for all characters.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  00:44, 21 August 2007 (PDT)
I've only just noticed the change. I like it alot, but is there a better pic for Paulo? His head looks a little small.--Baker1000 11:26, 21 August 2007 (PDT)
I'm still working on fixing all the pictures to fit perfectly. We're still in beta, if you will  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  17:38, 21 August 2007 (PDT)
Is there really a need for a defected catagory considering that there's a specail box for defectors. Perhaps just make an others catagory, and give them the green box? -j52y

Known Characters Missing

Can anyone list characters that they believe should be on this portal below please, and possibly reasoning as to why. Please remember we are trying to make the lists complete for any character that has had an important role to play (redshirts like SBSSG that haven't spoken do not count) across all the Lost media, from books to games, to TV shows, to mobisodes... I need sleep, so I'll do these tomorrow morning, hopefully. Please sign your sig after the character too, just for reference sake.

  • What about Nathan? Since he turned out not to be the Others' mole, we can assume he was a survivor, right? --ruinlach|talk|contributions 20:59, 2 September 2007 (PDT)
I agree that Nathan and the Marshal should be listed here. I disagree about Gary Troup though, mainly because he never spoke and was played by a stuntman, not to mention his name has never been spoken aloud throughout the course of the series. I could also see adding Neil, the guy who made forzenb yogurt, but ONLY if he appears in an episode of the main series and not just a mobisode.--Jeff 12:42, 2 February 2008 (PST)
An 815 survivor who DID speak on the show was Sullivan... shouldn't he be included, too?--Bohrok Awakener 05:31, 2 March 2008 (PST)
I'd say yes since he was played by an actual guest actor with a speaking part and not a silent extra. --Jeff 07:58, 4 March 2008 (PST)

Request to change color key

It is kind of difficult to tell the colors of Alive and Dead characters. Anyone disagree with having a redish tint change to the Dead characters?now 17:06, 8 September 2007 (PDT)

-Agree, it is hard to tell the two apart. Mapleleaf50 16:54, 3 February 2008 (PST)

Yes, it was going to change, but I didn't get around implementing it. Done it now. Better? -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  15:17, 4 February 2008 (PST)
Awesome. Thanks. Mapleleaf50 16:26, 6 February 2008 (PST)

Love the new format

Ok, I'm definitely digging the new format for this page. Glad the old arguement is dead and buried. I'm hereby ending my Lostpedia sabbatical.

Although, I must say it's been quite healthy to not think about "Lost" for a good 4 months (sorry, I had too, hehe). --Jeff 16:55, 22 October 2007 (PDT)

Please Add

Other survivors of the crash

(Note:Notable deaths + Frogurt)

 Donald
Portal-Donald
 Nathan
Nathanyes

Spies

(Note: Below Defectors)

Captives

(Note: They should be at camp for over a day)

 Ben
Portal-Ben

Revision Needed

OLD:
 Pilot
ThePilot
NEW:
 Seth
ThePilot

or Pilot Seth

The pilot should either be listed as just "Seth," "Capt. Norris" or as "The Pilot," the name he is more commonly known as, but not his first and last name, because all of the other characters are only listed as their most common name. Also, the marshal should be listed here as well because he survived the crash for more than 24 hours, has been in multiple flashback episodes, and was not played by by an extra but by a legitimate guest actor, IE Rose, Bernard and Arzt. --Jeff 19:26, 3 March 2008 (PST)
I can't see any reason that Marshall Edward Mars (whatever you want to call him) isn't listed among the survivors. He's a more substantial character than Scott (Steve?) or Matt Parkman was. Likewise, Nathan, and Donald and Sullivan are more established characters than half of the bad-screenshot-nickname background characters on Portal:The Others. I have no strong opinon about the inclusion of Frogurt or Gary Troup. I don't think it's meaningful to list Ben here, since he's only with them against his will. - Tvb 18:11, 14 March 2008 (PDT)
Agreed that The Marshal should be listed. An he should be listed as The Marshal because that's what he is most commonly known as, he was only ever referred to as Ed Mars once, in I Do. Likewise, the Pilot should probably be listed as just the Pilot or Capt. Norris since that's what he's most commonly known as. But they definitly shouldn't be lsited as both first and last name because the "main" survivors are just listed by what they are most commonly referred to as. Also, I'd call Nathan more established than Donald or Sullivan. While Nathan was a major presence in the episode he appeared in, Sullivan and Donald were just one- and two-line bit parts played by ending-credit character actors; essentially glorified extras.--Jeff 07:41, 21 March 2008 (PDT)
I definitely agree that Nathan is a more significant character than Donald or Sullivan, but all three of them beat The Twins or Molotov Woman, who are included in Portal:The Others. - Tvb 08:46, 21 March 2008 (PDT)

New Format

They should have the defectors, dead & unknown at the top of the list, then seperate the remaining 815 surviors into 2 catagories: Team Locke member or Team Jack member

Disagree. The current grouping is fine. --Jeff 19:28, 3 March 2008 (PST)
I can see some value in separating the living from the dead. I don't think it's a good idea to try segregating the Johnies from the Jackies, since the two groups seem fairly fluid. - Tvb 19:01, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

Faction indicator?

I think there should be some way to delineate to which faction the remaining survivors belong to, what say everyone else? --  SacValleyDweller    talk    contribs   20:28, 8 March 2008 (PST)

Move the dead people

To the end of the sections?--Rbfskywalker 14:03, 9 March 2008 (PDT)

Disagree. It's alphabetical; the colors differentiate the status. --Jeff 07:31, 21 March 2008 (PDT)

Who do I have to sleep with...

So, who do I have to sleep with to get characters added to the this page? : ) Seriously, the other character portals have more complete lists of less important characters than this one does. Tvb 19:19, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

Walt

Page administrator: Can you create a color for an "off the island/rescued" category to apply to Walt now that we know he's safe in New York? We know we'll need it now because we'll eventually have to apply it to the Oceanic 6 as well. --Jeff 07:43, 21 March 2008 (PDT)

  • I agree --Hostile108 09:26, 23 March 2008 (PDT)
  • I think it's a good idea. Walt is currently listed as Missing or Unknown, which simply isn't ture. We know he is alive and safe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Baker1000 (talkcontribs) .

Housekeeping

Several things that I think ought to be updated (many of them as noted above):

  • Kate needs a blue border, as she was rescued as well. Currently, she is listed with a green border.
  • Walt needs a new border color, or at least changed to green to indicate that he has "defected" to civilization.
  • Karl and Danielle are both apparently dead. :(
  • Donald, the Marshall, Nathan, and Sullivan are all characters who have been left out for no apparent reason. (Neil "Frogurt" and Gary Troup are debatable.)
  • Naomi isn't a "survivor of another incident". She's a freightie who spent a little time among the Losties, just like Miles, Daniel, Frank, and Charlotte (none of whom are listed here). - Tvb 17:31, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
Although Naomi did survive her choper crash, I do agree that they should take her out of the "Survivors of other Incedents" section. As for Karl & Daneille, their border colors should be changed to "unknown." -Marko14126
  • Karl and Daniel should be missing/unknown
  • Sayid ,Desmond and Walt should be defected. - Hostile108
Sayid and Desmond haven't defected from the rest of the survivors; they're just off-island for a bit and clearly intend to return (if only to pick up the rest of them). - Tvb 17:31, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
  • Jin is dead and Kate is rescued. --4 8 15 16 23 42-Execute 07:27, 8 June 2008 (PDT)
  • I've added Donald, Edward Mars, Nathan, and Frogurt (the producers have stated the mobisodes are canon). I didn't add Gary Troup, since he didn't have any lines. For now, I changed Walt to the defected border, saying "rescued". Karl and Danielle are for now unknown. I agree Sayid and Desmond shouldn't be listed as defected; they are on a mission. Not sure what to do about Naomi, perhaps we need an "infiltrators" category. -- Graft   talk   contributions  17:23, 27 March 2008 (PDT)
    • (Thanks for the update.) Why not just leave all the Freighties on their own portal page? Daniel, Miles, and C.S.Lewis are all on the Island with Survivors (of one group or another), but we don't list them, because we assume they aren't staying; they're "on a mission"... as was Naomi. - Tvb 19:18, 29 March 2008 (PDT)
      • I also thank you for the update. Perhaps you guys could form a new catigory for those who are rescued. We know that Walt is rescued and that there are the Oceanic 6 who will get rescued, so there should be a new border line labeled "Rescued." Also, can someone get rid of Naomi because she does not belong here on this page, she is not a survivor of any incedent. But if we do make an "infiltrators" category then we should also add Ethan and Goodwin. Marko 11:24, 30 March 2008 (PDT)
Why not add Gary Troup? Molotov woman and the twins have no lines, and neither does Sabine. And yet all three are on the Others portal. Either add Gary or take them off, but I think consistency is necessary.-- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  19:41, 11 April 2008 (PDT)
I don't think "Gary Troup" should be added, for the reasons above, but I'm also one who thinks the molotov woman and "the twins" shouldn't be listed either. --Jeff 14:31, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

Not to nitpick but I think the head box for Neil should either say Neil or "Frogurt" should be in quotes. Only Hurly called him that, Bernard called him "the guy that sells frozen yogurt." I don't think "Frogurt" is an accepted nickname like Hurley or Sawyer.--Jeff 14:33, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

  • kate defianately needs a blue border.

Possible suggestion

I think we should consider breaking this up into Team Locke and Team Jack, or at least indicating an affiliation somehow, since the stated purpose of this portal is to organize characters by affiliation, and "Survivors Camp" doesn't really cover that anymore, in my opinion. Also, a slight grammar nitpick: shouldn't the article be named "Survivors' Camp" (with an apostrophe after "Survivors" to indicate possessive)? Jimbo the tubby 10:44, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

Nobody is sure how long the team thing is going to last. Its also complicated because many of the people listed don't fall into one team or the other (minor characters who have not been seen in a while, dead characters). The grammar thing may be an issue with wiki titles (I dont know). Dharmatel4 14:01, 15 April 2008 (PDT)

Karl, Danielle, Alex dead

Someone needs to change the borders for Karl, Danielle and Alex to indicate that they are deceased. Karl and Danielle were confirmed by Alex's dialogue saying that Keamy and his men killed them, and Alex was obviously killed by Keamy. Jimbo the tubby 21:20, 24 April 2008 (PDT)

EDIT: Also, we should add Doug, as he was credited for 4x09 in the press release. Jimbo the tubby 22:30, 24 April 2008 (PDT)

Agreed. BTW, anyone wanna update the main page anytime soon cuz we know for a fact that Alex, Karl, and Danielle are dead. Marko 16:09, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

Why is this page locked anyway? It's not like it can't be reverted, and it seems like nobody gives a damn enough to ever update it. --Pyramidhead 19:27, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

I agree, Pyramidhead.-- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  19:28, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

Because sometimes, the admins who have it locked need to be alerted to things directly, instead of just having people complaining and moaning on the talk page. If you're that passionate about getting it changed, you just need to alert one of the SysOps instead of whinging.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  00:50, 2 May 2008 (PDT)
You didn't answer the question: Why is this page locked anyway? - Tvb 13:30, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

Agreed. Also needs to be changed "The Others" page. --LOSTinDC 15:55, 30 April 2008 (PDT)

Add

I think we should add Craig, Doug, Jerome and Richard to list. ryan76el

STRONG DISAGREE: Those have never been confirmed. In that episode Bernard said three names and three people looked up, but there's never been any canonical evidence to which was which, etc. Pretty sure this has been argued to death elsewhere as well. --Jeff 14:29, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

  • Doug yes, rest no. Should we add Blonde Casualty , Lance and Tracy? They have been confirmed. Also Steve is uncertain. --Decboy
 Doug
Doug

Updates

See my Sandbox

Possible new category color key color key

Anyone think about adding a new color for . . . . the Oceanic6? now 11:36, 14 May 2008 (PDT)

That sounds like a good idea. Also, something needs to be done for Walt, because he's not defected. Maybe rather than an Oceanic 6 border line there should be a rescued border line. Marko 13:41, 14 May 2008 (PDT)

Also, why is there a "defectors" section . . . and color key?

The "Defectors" section is for people who defected to the Survivors Camp; the color is for those who defected from it. - Tvb 13:30, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

Add

Maybe add theses people to this page

 Craig
Bg-chriscandella-3x21promo


 Jerome
Jeromeportal



 Doug
Dougportal



  • Ugh. These portals should really be for named characters played by speaking actors, not random no-name extras. The fact that some of those guys have names applied to them because they were standing in a general area one episode when someone shouted a bunch of names is ridiculous as well. --Jeff 17:02, 3 June 2008 (PDT)
  • Doug and ND survivor had speaking roles and were credited in the episode they were in. They should at least be added because Scott and Steve are on there. --Ryan76el 23:51, 3 June 2008 (PDT)
  • They should now be added since there's a portal for main characters. --Ryan76el 10:20, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
    • NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO! BAD!!!!!!!!! The extras should 100% be removed frpm this page IMMEDIATELY. First of all, anyone with an unconfirmed page shouldn't even have an article (that's you, ND survivor. Second of all the people referred to as "Richard" and "Craig" ...those names are completely arbitrary. The only time those names were said out loud, they were directed (by Bernard) to a gaggle of random extras. There may be characters with those names ...there may not be ... hell, Sam Anderson may have even been ad libbing ... but they certainly do NOT even remotely to be listed on the same pages with the Jacks and Kates and Lockes. That's an insult. Plus, those articles have been nominated for deltion a zillion times; they should be merged with the "redshirt" article or the general "survivor" article. Plus, ghaving them listed here confuses the casual viewer that comes here for information. Plus, SEVERAL extras have portrayed survivors, Others and people in flashbacks. So it's not accurate. And I vote that all innacurate information be removed at once! --Jeff 19:04, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
      • And that's why the portals should be locked. Because we didn't have this stuff happening before. --Jeff 19:05, 17 June 2008 (PDT)

I think ND survivor,Man on beach and SBSSG must be removed from this page.They are only extras with one line or none. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thunderwolf (talkcontribs) .

Michael

I think it's obvious Michael's box should now be red judging by what the apparition of Christian Shepard said to him. "You can go now, Michael."

I think Jin's box should be changed as well. He certainly isn't missing. Face facts, he is dead.Mrfridays 08:05, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
I think michael should be unknown, We all know that we thought Naomi was dead

It is lost after all michael could still be alive

    • Naomi had one wound made with a knife, which was fatal few hours after. Michael was in a closed room full with C4 on a boat which was destroyed in within seconds.--Orhan94 13:46, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
who says christian wasent saying that you can go as in you can escape the explosion
There is nothing that suggests that Michael is still alive. He was invulnerable for a while, but that was only because he still had work to do. According to Christian, that's finished. Jin could more reasonably be listed as "missing", since it's theoretically possible that he could have survived the explosion, but he's "missing, presumed dead". - Tvb 16:23, 1 June 2008 (PDT)

Sullivan

I think Sullivan should be categorized "Missing or Unknown."

There's no particular reason to think anything's happened to him. - Tvb 13:30, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
The explosion of the freighter makes all Flight 815 survivors "Missing or Unknown" unless they are known to be alive, unless you create a "Presumed Alive" category. - Dave92127 10:59, 2 June 2008 (PDT)
Only a few Oceanic survivors were on the freighter. - Tvb 19:39, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

Etc.

  • Locke has "defected" to The Others.
  • Aaron, Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sun, and Sayid have "defected" to civilization.
  • Desmond is no longer with the Survivors; he could be left on this page and said to have "defected" to civilization as well.
  • We should now add Miles and C.S. Lewis to the "Survivors of other incidents" section.

- Tvb 13:34, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

    • The Oceanic 6 & Desmond should be green and "rescued," just like Walt. Locke should be green and "defected to the Others," just like Cindy. And Miles, Charlotte and Daniel should be survivors of other incidents now, because without the frieghter and now with the island moved, they are stuck on the island now (to be fair, Daniel could be survivor of other incidents AND also colored missing or unknown, because we don't know yet if he was in range of the island's telportation; although it seems he was, it's best not to assume until the S5 premiere). --Jeff 09:17, 2 June 2008 (PDT)


Locke is now dead. Needs to be changed on the survivor camp portal page. - User:Lostbrotha

No, Locke is now in charge of the Others. The coffin scene is a flashforward. - Tvb 16:19, 1 June 2008 (PDT)

Claire's not missing or unknown

We know she's in the cabin with Christian last we saw her. I don't think she should be listed like that. If she's listed as missing or unknown, why not list everyone on the island as missing or unknown since it moved? I wish I could edit that back to her being alive. AaronPaige 10:07, 2 June 2008 (EST)

  • DISAGREE. We don't know whether she's alive or dead, or even WHERE the cabin itself is sometimes. She's not with the Others, like Locke, and she's not with the only other remaining main survivor, Sawyer. Plus the fact that Emilie de Ravin is taking a season off (that's NOT a spoiler, that was reported in the news media) it's probably safer to keep her as "missing" for now. --Jeff 09:10, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

New Colour Key

Please see this page for a discussion about a possible new colour key for these portals.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  16:33, 4 June 2008 (PDT)

Unprotect

Can we please get this (and the other character portals) unlocked in order to make the changes on them that have been discussed here? I put a request in on requests for unprotection but it doesn't look like there's anyone keeping up to date on those. Thanks.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  10:03, 7 June 2008 (PDT)

I think this is a good idea. The page is updated too slowly, and when it does there's still error. Kate isn't listed as rescued. Also, as I was skimming, I realized that Naomi should be added to the "from the freighter" section. Right? User:Taargüs Taargüs

Kate

Kate is off the island and shouldn't be green --Anfield Fox 01:34, 9 June 2008 (PDT)

Frieghties?

I'd more consider them "survivors of other incidents" than "defectors" .. espeicall now that the frieghter has been destroyed. --Jeff 17:37, 16 June 2008 (PDT)

Steve

Steve was seen alive in the S4 finale on the beach, and is stated so on his page, so I'm changinc him to alive.--Orhan94 13:47, 17 June 2008 (PDT)

Remove ND survivor,Man on beach and SBSSG

I think ND survivor,Man on beach and SBSSG must be removed from this page. They are only extras with one line or none. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thunderwolf (talkcontribs) .

  • Scott & Steve, Craig, Jerome, Richard and Nancy have names.ND survivor,Man on beach and SBSSG will never reappeare on the show--ThunderWolf 08:43, 4 July 2008 (PDT)Thunderwolf--ThunderWolf 08:43, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
  • Actually N.D. survivor appears in every episode of Season 1 and Season 2 and even has a speaking role in "Man of Science, Man of Faith" which she was credited for. --Ryan76el 08:46, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
    • Disagree woth removing Having more lines on the show does not make a character a candidate for this list. Surviving the crash of flight 815 makes him --Orhan94 08:48, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
  • On the Others Portal Adam and Amelia are listed on their and only say one or two lines. Also Widmore's victim is listed and hes only a extra. --Ryan76el 08:54, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
  • Yeah,but this guys don't have names.They can be unseen characters like Tracy.If we are listing all kind of survivors let's add the victims from the Freighter and Blonde Casualty and useen characters like Lance & Tracy on the list too.--ThunderWolf 13:33, 4 July 2008 (PDT)ThunderWolf--ThunderWolf 13:33, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
SBSSG is notable because she has an external fan base. ND survivor is notable because she has lines, as is gas man. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  13:38, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
  • Let's add Tracy & Lance too then they are survivors.--ThunderWolf 04:41, 10 July 2008 (PDT)
  • Add them then --Ryan76el 09:56, 10 July 2008 (PDT)
We should remove Lance and Tracy as they could be sone of the unnamed vharacters or characters whoses' names could be their last names. Such as Blonde Casualty, SBSSG, Sullivan which are also listed. --Orhan94 15:48, 27 August 2008 (PDT)
  • Agree. Remove them. It's ridiculous. "Blonde casulty," are we serious here? Let's keep this to main characters and main guest stars, there is alread a body count list and a survivors list if you really want to assign random names to random extras. I thought we had voted to merge althose random survivors into the surviors article anyway. *Le sigh*--Jeff 21:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Big Guy from Long Con

I just watch The Long Con and Ana Lucia mentions a big guy living behind Steve's tent.We can add him too as unseen character. :D--ThunderWolf 15:29, 6 August 2008 (PDT)

Nah.. He's unseen and unnamed...it'd be different if she had said "That big guy, Franz, who lives behind steve's tent." -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  15:45, 6 August 2008 (PDT)
I think Jerome is the big guy as he's the biggest survivor. --Ryan76el 02:07, 7 August 2008 (PDT)

Redshirts

It certainly appears that now all of the surviving redshirts have died. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  05:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily. If you count all of the middle section survivors (Excluding Locke, Bernard, Juliet, Claire, the Science team, The O. 6, and Walt) alive on the Island at the beach when the island moved they number 23. You subtract Frogurt and at least three other guys that died from arrows, and the two that died from the claymores you come up with a total of 17. Subtract Sawyer, and Rose you get a final tally of 15 redshirts left. --LOST-The Cartographer 05:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I think we should make all redshirts + Rose and Bernard missing,cause we don't know where they are.--ThunderWolf 08:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  21:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Frank

Should be listed with the rescued border in the freighters group correct?

Rename

Suggest renaming to "Portal:Flight 815 survivors" to avoid ambiguity with the flight 316 survivors, which we should create a new portal for.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  20:17, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

  • "Portal:Flight 815 survivors" wouldn't, IMO, work. The portal is not about the Survivors per se, but about the population of their camp. I guess "Portal:Flight 815 Survivors' Camp" could work --LeoChris 23:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that "Portal:Flight 815 survivors" works fine, because the description says that it lists "all those who are affiliated with the majority of these survivors". And it adds consistency with Portal:Flight 316 survivors.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  08:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I agree per the fact that the Tailies listed here as well as the pilot were never part of the Survivors camp. --Orhan94 10:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Disagree. There are only five major people in the 316 survivor camp. Not worthy of its own portal. Perhaps expand this page to inlcude both camps? -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  12:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
    • Comment, more survivors from 316 should have their names revealed during Season 5 the same way we got the names of the background DHARMA members this season, background Kahana crew in S4, background Others in S3 and background Tailies in S2. Also we know a fine number of people that were/survived the crash of 316 (Frank, Sun, Ben, Locke (?), Ilanna, Caesar, Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Bram, Roxanne) --Orhan94 22:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
  • 'Keep the title but add the Ajira people in a new section.--Edible8 10:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Rename The 316 have their own portal now so we should name this one appropriately. Mhtmghnd 02:36, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting support Yes, we should rename this. Limitlessness 03:31, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting oppose Survivors camp could be confused with Ajira survivors, and certain tailies, like Cindy, are 815 survivors but not in the Survivor's Camp.--Crohall 00:53, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Jim,Eli and other taillies

So Tracy and Lance are in we can add Jim,Eli and maybe the german,blond and the curley haired guy in the section.The question is what is there status?Are they with the others оr missing?I think they are with the Others.Thoughts?--ThunderWolf 11:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC)--ThunderWolf 11:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC

Merge Ajira 316

The Ajira people should be here since they are just one faction, otherwise the Tailies should have their own Portal. --Edible8 20:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Disagree. The tailies were on the same flight. There's a discussion above about changing this page to "Oceanig 815 passengers" or something similar. The pages should stay split, especially since they had two different camps.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  22:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Comment'. First of all, Lapidus should be included since he was on the Kahana. Desmond, meanwhile, was recruited by the sole remaining representative of DHARMA as a "replacement" so he joins the faction by default and since he continues their work like a de facto employee, he's in. The Ajira people is a little tricky but one must first examine the other survivor-affiliated factions on the show. First, the Tailies. Little did they know that they are other survivors on the island and acted like an independent group living in a separate camp. So should they have their own portal? No. Why? Well, for starters, they were all affiliated a significant number of people from the main camp and the faction was eventually absorbed by the Survivors Camp. Then there's, the Locke-Jack split, they lived in two camps and they opposed each other, but they were more of sub-factions in a much larger faction so their out. There are other examples out there, like the Oceanic 6, and allowing Ajira to stay would open a Pandora's box of sub-faction portals. So since they are the only survivor-affiliated faction on the Island's vicinity, they are part of the Camp. --Edible8 12:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
      • Comment. Your argument is that Lapidus should be on this portal because he was on the Kahana? Well, sure he was, but he never joined the 815 Survivors' camp. He went to the Island and met some of the 815er's but joining their camp? Didn't happen. As for the rest of your argument, if we change the name of this page to "Survivors of 815" like I suggested then those issues no longer exist because the Tailies, Team-Locke and Team-Jack are all survivors of 815.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  17:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose, the Ajira folks and the Losties are NOT the same group. We are getting to know more and more Ajira survivors every episode and they are enough to justify their own portal. The Tailies were on Oceanic Flight 815, the Ajirees on the other hand were not, and they never were a part of the main Island's camp like Juliet, Karl, Alex, Rousseau, Faraday, Miles, Charlotte and Desmond were. Ajira Flight 316 does deserve its own portal. --Orhan94 12:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment- I think it is too early to tell whether or not the Ajirees are gonna get their own faction or not. The problem lies on whether or not the previous inhabitants on that flight should be included there when we all know that their loyalty pretty much stays on this faction. I find the 'just because they were in the flight' argument problematic because it forces some characters to appear to have overlapping loyalties when there is none. Also, before Ajira crashed, the proto-Survivor's Camp got decimated and the only remaining members in the present known to be alive are Sun and Locke joined by Ben and Lapidus. There was a time that this faction was "dead" so Ajira merely acts as a "replacement" through the four above. P.S. Although, Frank may not have settled in the camp, he was pretty much aligned with the survivors like Rousseau was in the first season, so he has retrospective membership.--Edible8 23:00, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Comment. Alignment doesn't equal being part of the camp. Otherwise, someone like Penny could be considered "aligned with Desmond" and thus in the Survivors camp. As for Rousseau, she was only added to the portal in season 4 when she started staying with the Survivors in Team-Locke.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  07:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
      • Comment. Simply living in the beach camp does not necessary mean they are part of the faction as this would exclude the Tailies and Locke's group. Affiliation does play a part since several members have settled elsewhere like the Oceanic 6, yet they remain affiliated with this group. This group is less about the flight or camp but more about a social construct which groups people with similar goals and origins, therefore anyone who chooses ti become a member can do so. And about Penny, I think anyone who knows about the island who sympathizes with this group should be included. I am also thinking of other people who were "part" of the faction at some point or time like the ones below.--Edible8 11:29, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
        • Comment. Umm... what? The Tailies and Locke's group all lived in the survivors camp. The portals are to group people who were allied together in a particular faction. Ajira and Oceanic are clearly two different groups of people. As for creating portals for the Tailies or Team-Jack or Team-Locke, I don't really have a problem with that. The problem I have is introducing ambiguity by having people who were never in the same group, on the same portal. As for the two portal images you posted, that wouldn't work because the words "Infiltrated" and "Captured" wouldn't appear once you put in the characters' names. It doesn't really matter how a character came to be in a particular faction (for purposes of the portals), they're just meant to organize characters by group. Frank may have been allied with the 815 Survivors, but he was never part of that group. Likewise with Penny.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  19:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Off-island sympathizers

I'm thinking that Cassidy, Carmen and Carole should be added to the list. They know the Oceanic 6 cover story is fake and haven't, as far as we know, spilled the beans about it. If Penny's henchmen belong on the portal, then I think those I named do too. Frank could be added also, but he's not *off*-island. What do you guys think ? --LeoChris 19:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Add again

Shouldn't Elliot and Lisa should be on here? they are considered "SOC"s (Metroid101 18:04, January 17, 2010 (UTC))

Non-canonical. --Golden Monkey 18:31, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Cindy, Zach, Emma, Steve...

Cindy, Zach, and Emma should be changed from "unknown" (orange) to "alive, on island" (green), since that was confirmed by the Lost Encyclopedia. However, Steve should be changed from "dead" (red) to "unknown" (orange) since it's never confirmed that he actually died in the flaming arrow attack. Get A Klugh 21:20, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Rename/reorganize

GrinningTurtle suggests renaming to "Survivor camp" because of this portal includes people like Desmond and Juliet. But why does it contain their names at all? And why does it contain David Reyes, Eloise and Henrik? I see somewhere above that that people turned this into a portal for all who know about the Oceanic 6 cover up, but that seems totally independent of the people in the survivor camp. --- Balk Of Fametalk 01:34, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

What?

This page's name is "Portal:Flight 815 passengers", but why it included so many non-815 passengers? Defectors? Sympathizers? Infiltrators? They shouldn't be there, right?Sroczynski 09:17, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yes I brought this up as well, I suggested we rename it but only BalkOfFame responded, nobody who can actually do anything about it seems to care about it.....

--GrinningTurtle 01:23, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting oppose we should't rename it to Survivors camp because many of the 815 survivors (tailies and front section) never made it to the main camp, and because there have been many survivors of other incidents who suddenly would qualify under this vague name. That said I have no problem with removing anyone who doesn't qualify under the current title. Mhtm ghnd....talk 16:09, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

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