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Polar bear unanswered questions[]

  • How/Why did the bears leave the Hydra Station Island to the "main" island?
    • How: Polar Bears are REALLY good swimmers ("Polar bears are excellent swimmers and have been seen in open Arctic waters as far as 60 miles from land." in wikipedia
    • Why: Why did the chicken crossed the road? Tanketai 18:02, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

This is the second third fourth time I have removed the UQ about how the Polar Bears made it from Hydra Island to the main Island. It seems obvious to me, given that they can swim from the arctic ice to Alaska, but, given that it seems many people keep adding it, I thought it would be worth discussion. Does anyone concur or contest this? <hiero>O34:O4-G17-D58-A1</hiero> zholmboe 13:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Darlton have addressed this repeatedly, so there's no unanswered question regarding the polar bears getting to the main Island.  Robert K S   tell me  05:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Walt and the polar bear[]

In the first series it seemed most likley that Walt had seen the polar bear in the comic book then it had materialized on the island, although in season 1 episode 9 (i think) where Sayid first meets Rousseau after hearing a noise out side she says 'It might be one of the bears' which implies thats she has seen polar bears before Walt arrived on the island and with what we've learned from the other hatches and the information on the blast door, it seems more reasonable that the polar bear just escaped from somewhere.--LostCat 07:14, 18 April 2006 (PDT)

It's been theorized that Walt's power isn't to create but to summon. If there hadn't been mutant polar bears on the island to start with, none would have shown up. Also the first bear appearance really could have been coincidental since Walt wasn't with the party that encountered the first one.--Tricksterson 15:01, 19 April 2006 (PDT)

This whole thing (Walt, his powers, the polar bear) was a super obvious time that the writers completely changed directions midstream and abandoned a previous concept... Wantonsoup 18:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Question: Was there a Dharma logo on the polar bear?

STATED GOAL, REPATRIATION...[]

repatriation could mean in this sense, de-"polarising" the bear, as in returning it to a evolutionary previous habitat, i dont agree that it is a production error, lost just doesn't seem to have them (Mikey 16:50, 16 May 2006 (PDT))

Map notation[]

The map notation can be parsed into two major expressions:

REPATRIATION ACCELERATED DE-TERRITORIALIZATION

Wild polar bears are not territorial and therefore cannot be de-territorialized, which implies that we are dealing with bears whose behavior has previously been altered to make them territorial. For a de-territorial process to be accelerated through repatriation, the bears would need to be returned to the wild. Ergo, what we find on the island are altered bears that are going home.

THROUGH GENE THERAPY AND EXTREME CLIMATE CHANGE

This does not say the bears were genetically modified to become territorial but that gene therapy is being used to correct the condition. There are several forms of gene therapy, but the one that is probably being used is the repair of a mutation by substitution of normal gene sequences. Bringing the bears to the island prior to returning them to polar conditions would prepare them to undergo extreme climate change.

A scenario consistent with this analysis would have Dharma attempting to remove a genetically-based territorial impulse of the bears by bringing them to the island to undergo gene therapy before returning them to the wild. If that experiment is extended to humans, then the island may be a lab for correcting behavioral defects by genetic treatment, allowing the subjects to become accustomed to the bizarre environment of the island before returning them to their previous lives, shocked back to normalcy.

Territorial in this sense may mean the territorial range of the Polar Bear in terms of habitat. de-territorial would mean changing them so that the specicies could live anywhere on earth. The goal could have very well been to see if alteration of biology to adapt to climate change had any effect on the Valanzetti Equation.Dharmatel4 14:41, 8 March 2007 (PST)

I have a picture of a Polar Bear from oceanicflight815.com[]

look at this, maybe u can add it http://people.freenet.de/mixe-club/Lost/polar.jpg There are written things like how far it can swim or how long it can life ...

Sorted --andyroo316

Updating 07/10/06[]

Hey, Scorpius here, discuss the update here all...

Um, we should change the law thing to something more encyclopdiac ;) --Scorpiusdiamond 10:03, 7 October 2006 (PDT)

Meh. It was deleted ¬_¬, what do we do now? --Scorpiusdiamond 14:30, 7 October 2006 (PDT)

Polar Bear + Other City link[]

anyone made the link between other city (or whatever you wanna call it) and the cages in it (where sawyer and kate are being held) and the polar bears? fish biscuits... Am i just being stupid here or is it too logical too mention?

I think its a given... but you know.. unless they state that the occupants were Polar bears then its stiill slightly open.

Those cages were kinda small for more than 1 bear at a time.. and would be hard to see how one bear could opperate the fish biscuit machine by them selves. But no one said Dharma were your animal friendly research organisation.

--MRNasher

Just see Joop. --Marik7772003 10:24, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

Podcast[]

On the 30/10/06 podcast, executive producers Lindelof and Cuse confirmed that the polar bears were on the island as part of the DHARMA experiments (although we already knew this from the Orientation film in 203, not to mention the cages in 301 and the Experience, the number of people who still seem to think the bears are Walt's dreams made manifest is still surprisingly high!) and escaped during the events of the 'collapse of the DHARMA Initiative'. I've added a note on the page to that effect.--Werthead 11:42, 30 October 2006 (PST)

  • Any guesses as to how many bears there might be? If I remember correctly, in "Further Instructions", Boone tells Locke that "they've got him", referring to the bears. So there should be at least two bears alive, looking for food... --Noseman 2006 22:42, 8 November 2006

TERRIBLE POLAR BEAR THEORY[]

someone said polar bears couldnt survive in 50+ degree F temperature. If that is true, how did i visit the polar bears in the central park zoo over the summer, in 90+ degree F temperature.

  • Well, I think the theory made it a little too extreme, but they will overheat... the ones at the CP zoo cool off by swimming in cold water.--PandoraX 20:48, 14 February 2007 (PST)
I think the overheating is mostly due to diet. In their natural habitat, they eat a diet that has a very high fat proportion. They also build up lots of body fat. If they could be switched to a different diet, the body fat would probably drop and their problems with temperature would decrease. Dharmatel4 23:08, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

"DHARMA logo" on bear[]

  • I took this out, this is speculation based on the pic, and the pic only shows a black shadowy thing on the CGI bear. The writers have said the DHARMA logo was not fully envisioned until Season 2, so that can't be a logo, since the cap is from "Solitary". --PandoraX 20:48, 14 February 2007 (PST)

polar bear cloud[]

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:PillarOfSmoke.jpg

i know this doesnt mean anything other than a nice little easter egg...but look at the cloud....doesnt it look like a polar bear??? well??

awww yea i see it i think. is it to the left?--Project X 19:38, 6 March 2007 (PST)

To the right, in the actual cloud itself... interesting --Spanky 16:50, 5 July 2007 (PDT)

DHARMA Collapse[]

Out of general curiosity does anyone have an explanation for how Tom remembers the polar bears figuring out the 'skinner' cage mechanism when we now know the bears left with the dharma initiative? That seems strange considering hes on the Others side of 'Others VS Dharma'. Maybe he wasnt always and this is a major clue.--Laika 01:06, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

  • Another possible link between DHARMA and Tom is when he quoted Alvar Hanso in "The Hunting Party"--Theslate 14:24, 6 May 2007 (PDT)

Polar bear TALKING??[]

In "Special" when Walt is hiding in the trees, and the polar bear is trying to get to him (33:12), the bear makes a very strange noise, containing the sound /ʃ/, so: Does the bear actually say "Special" in the same episode?? --   Steff    talk    contribs    email   12:40, 13 July 2007 (PDT)

there not polar bears[]

ive figured it out! there not really polar bears, there evil mutant clone rabbits! and my evidence: "ok, in the season 4 clip the rabbit is number 15, and another number 15 appears. they try to stop them from seeing each other (possible because if two people, or rabbits, are exactly the same they would fight untill one was dead)." isnt it obvious Daniel625 12:47, 9 September 2007 (PDT)

    • This is a theory please put it on the theory page instead of the talk page.--Connor401 16:59, 9 September 2007 (PDT)
  • I'm pretty sure he's joking. Someone should correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm oretty sure on Lostpedia the talk pages can be used to talk about the subject of the article and not the article itself, although its prefer you use the message boards to do so. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 19:01, 9 September 2007 (PDT)

Plural Rename?[]

Shouldn't the title read "polar bears", plural? --     c      blacxthornE      t     07:50, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

  • NO. See all other animals.--Overworkedirish 17:45, 29 April 2008 (PDT)
  • YES. Lostpedia:Manual of Style says, "When an object or theme occurs once, leave the article in the singular form". So, "Frog" should be singular because there has only been one frog, but "Polar Bear" should be "Polar Bears", because there have been more than one of them. The same question was brought up on the Talk:Shark page, and an administrator agreed that it should be plural. As such I'm making the change.
<hiero>O34:O4-G17-D58-A1</hiero> zholmboe 01:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Rename[]

  • Rename to "Polar Bear". Species names must have 1st letters in caps as they are proper nouns. Following this protocol, I'm also pushing for Wild Boar and Medusa Spider. See Hurley Bird. Sea urchin, for example, is NOT a species, but a class of animals.--Overworkedirish 17:45, 29 April 2008 (PDT)
  • Rename. To Polar Bear.--Overworkedirish 17:45, 29 April 2008 (PDT)
  • Don't. (Cross-post) This is the convention Wikipedia has come up with when referring to a whole variety of animals. (I say "variety" because, the way Wikipedia uses it, it's not limited to species; all dogs are of the same species and subspecies Canis lupus domesticus, but Wikipedia capitalizes dog breeds, as when referring to "the German Shepherd" or "the Mastiff".) It's not standard practice (you'll never find "polar bear" or "boar" or "mastiff" capitalized in a dictionary) and it can lead to all sorts of contradictions and confusion about when proper to capitalize or when not to. I say this is one crazy conformity convention we let be limited to Wikipedia. There's just no sense in it. Robert K S (talk) 18:40, 29 April 2008 (PDT)
  • Do not Rename. If the polar bear was called "Maureen" for some reason, that would be a proper noun. Species is exactly what *should not* be considered proper nouns. However, renaming to "polar bears" (plural) seems more accurate per naming conventions.--     c      blacxthornE      t     05:23, 3 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Do not rename: I see it as Polar bear, as does Wikipedia, not that we follow their policy but they're usually quite good for caps police guidelines. --Nickb123 (Talk) 09:09, 6 May 2008 (PDT)

Getting on the Island[]

A previous location of the Island was farther North (and this is why Penny's tracking station was in a certain place of colder climate: the Island's previously known location). When the Island was there, polar bears wandered onto it. When the Island moved, the polar bears came with. DHARMA only used the polar bears in its experiments because they were already on the Island as a resource to study.--Sudipal 11:49, 4 December 2008 (PST)

Unanswered Questions[]

One of the unanswered questions is how the polar bear skeleton got in Tunisia. Can this be taken off now as from the final episode of season 4, we know it is related to the frozen donkey wheel.Wild ste 20:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Actually "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" pretty much answered everything about Tunisia, it's the Orchid's exit. So clearly the polar bears were used in the Orchid experiments, but since we saw that the Ajirees landed on Hydra island, we will probably see Tunisia's and Hydra's importance in the polar bear experiments. --Orhan94 15:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
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