Talk: One of Us

Juliet Flashback?[]

I read that this was a Juliet Flashback. Anyone have any ideas? Smudger61

Yes, we all know that pictures featuring Juliet, Ethan, Rachel, and Alpert have been leaked onto the Internet, and there's a very likely chance that it's this episode. However, we can't use that as a source for the flashbacks, until there are promo pictures released. Shadow Ultra 10:13, 25 March 2007 (PDT)

After watching the preview, I think this will be a Juliet-centred episode because Sayid asked her about the other's, there were flashbacks to Ethan and other Other related things like the sub, and she said that if she told him, they would kill her. User: barashizu 23:37, 4 April2007

I am thinking that the title "One Of Us" could be a reference to Isabel's translation of Jack's tattoo: He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us." Libbyjones715 20:53, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

It was confirmed in the official podcast yesterday by Darlton that this will be, in fact, a Juliet flashback episode--FIF780 09:06, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

Has anyone noticed...[]

That when ever one of the losties comes back after they were thought to be lost, sun notices it first. Almost every time you see sun look up and go "Jack! It's Jack!" (or someone else) --Tehfrog 21:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

One of us[]

Anyone else know this: 'One of Us' was the name of a series of adverts for Lost broadcast in the UK before the pilot episode. Link to video

It should also be noted that Jack's tattoo is translates as "he walks among us, but he is not one of us."

Guest List[]

From ABCMedianet's daily press bundle:

JACK’S REUNION WITH HIS FELLOW SURVIVORS IS LESS THAN JOYOUS WHEN HE IS ACCOMPANIED BY ONE OF “THE OTHERS,” AND CLAIRE IS STRICKEN BY A MYSTERIOUS, LIFE-THREATENING ILLNESS, ON ABC’S “LOST” “One of Us” – Jack’s joyous reunion with his fellow survivors is cut short when they realize that accompanying him is one of “The Others,” and Claire is stricken by a mysterious, life-threatening illness, on “Lost,” WEDNESDAY, APRIL 11 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.

“Lost” stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Michael Emerson as Ben, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet, Dominic Monaghan as Charlie and Terry O’Quinn as Locke.

Guest starring are Robin Weigert as Rachel, William Mapother as Ethan Rom, Brett Cullen as Goodwin, Andrew Divoff as Mikhail, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Joah Buley as other dude and Tyrone Howard as airport guard.

“One of Us” was written by Carlton Cuse & Drew Goddard and directed by Jack Bender. ”Lost” is broadcast in 720 Progressive (720P), ABC’s selected HDTV format, with 5.1-channel surround sound and Spanish audio via SAP.

A TV parental guideline will be assigned closer to airdate. ABC Media Relations: Jeff Fordis (818) 460-6676, jeffrey.a.fordis@abc.com Photography is available at www.abcmedianet.com or at (818) 460-6611

JoserKyind 14:53, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

One of Them / One of Us[]

In the ep One of Them Ben entered the show. In One of Us will an Other join the beach? Sounds plausible to me.

well if that was actually going to be the case, it would be more likely that one of the losties would enter the others. as the title is reverse. but i doubt it considering many people are already in the others area.. --Lewis -Talk-Contribs 03:40, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

Considering all the living and dead Others on the guest list I'm going to guess it's Juliet and it's her flashback. But wlll Mikhail truly be flashback or will he appear alive as the producers have been hinting? --Jackdavinci 18:24, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

I wonder if it could be a Claire-centred episode, because of the pictures of Ethan, but the pictures of the sub say Juliet more to me. User: barashizu 23:37, 4 April 2007

I don't think it is likely to be Claire - she had a flashback only 3-4 episodes ago. -- Chuq 21:50, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Actually, in One of Them a Lostie (Ethan) ended up being an Other. I think One of Us means an Other (likely Juliet) will end up being a Lostie.09:13, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

See the cultural reference I added, relating the line to the film "Freaks." By the end of that film, this is exactly what happens; the deceptive outsider is unvieled and ultimately becomes an unwilling part of the society she had once shunned.

Locke[]

Since Locke was acting strange in "Left Behind", maybe Locke will join the others for a period of time. He said he was leaving with him. ~Genus~

The Official Lost podcast said we won't be seeing Locke again until episode 19. HelloJohn 18:51, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

The Official Lost podcast claimed we would not see Locke until episode 19, and yet he's made an appearance in the past two episodes. Therefore we can dismiss this statement from the Official Lost podcast as bupkus. Yes. I heard it too, and I really wish this event would put to rest an endless argument I've had for years with spoilers and nonspoilers alike: just because it's 'official,' don't make it true. -- ZachsMind

Uh, the impression I took away from the podcast was that we won't discover the continuation of The Man from Tallahassee's the storyline--i.e. what happened between Lock and Cooper--until episode 19, not that somehow (literally) we wouldn't be seeing Locke at all. Norville 12:11, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

Juliet confirmed[]

Confirmed as Juliet flashback in Official Lost Podcast/April 5, 2007.--Jackdavinci 23:23, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

Promo Pics[]

WHy are there no promo pictures?--Phil 15:45, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

Because ABC hasn't released any.--Captain Insano 16:47, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

Some episodes have them at very short notice. "The Man from Tallahassee"'s were released only a day or two before it aired, and I think that "Two for the Road"'s weren't released until after the episode aired. >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 06:23, 8 April 2007 (PDT)

Contrast to One of Them?[]

Where did this come from?

Sorry I really badly worded that lol. I didn't mean we were gonna see the events from THAT episode, I meant the different POV in the statement one of them, one of us - being in the group --Nickb123 (Talk) 09:16, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

Good or Bad episode?[]

hey guys, personally I though this episode was really good compared to what we saw last week, since its written by Carlton Cuse,<<<don't read ahead if you haven't seen the episode>>> we got a lot of good answers about the truth about Juliet, but again we find out at the end that Juliet is really at the beach to do more than just camping with them... For me,, honestly, I liked the episode and I hope they continue next episode where they left off. --mo-- (^Talk | ) 19:56, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

- The first part (until Juliet comes back with the stuff) seemed very klutzy - perhaps it was the footage that had to be reshot after the Hawaii airport X-ray mishap? Joel Van Atta 20:05, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Excellent episode. For a second, I actually thought Juliet might be good. --NSHS07 (talk) 20:11, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
- Yeah I bet everybody felt the same way,, throughout the episode I was feeling sorry for Julie because I actually belived that she was good!! but it turns out its all a trick,, again,,, when will they stop with the lies... --mo-- (^Talk | ) 20:21, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
  - She's no better or worse than Michael. In fact she's in a similar boat. She made a deal with Ben in order to get back to her sister. Michael made a deal with Ben (through Ms. Clugh) to get Walt back. The question is how much will Juliet do in order to get her sister back? Does that make her a bad person? Was Michael bad for killing Ana Lucia & Libby, and giving up four fellow Fuselagers to the enemy, all to save one child? ...well, probably yeah but.. -- ZachsMind 10:11, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

I thought this episode was great. I'm feeling a bit smug because I knew from last weeks ep that Juliet was a snake. It was because Sayid didn't trust her and I really trust Sayid's judgement ie he knew Ben was 'One of Them' from the off and guessed that Michael had been compromised by the Others. Another indicator was that Juliet doesn't have any daddy issues, which all of the Losties do, but then I thought about Sayid and I couldn't remember that he had any.....--LostCat 02:27, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

The epiosode rocked...but i'm super pissed at juliet for not being the person i thought she was!! but at the same time, it makes the show less predictable and much more intersting. i wonder where this is going...

All the 'poor Juliet' scenes were a bit suspiscious; the build up of sympathy felt manipulative (to my cynical old mind). The background info was welcome. But when you realise they are still filling in details from Claire's kidnapping, doesn't it seem tedious? That happened in season 1!
I mean, most of the mystery and intrigue is turning out to be not in the least bit intriguing or mysterious; it's just the way things have been hidden by the storytelling. Like Juliet being an infiltrator; why hide that for 2 episodes - just to give us something to discuss for 2 episodes? Oh well, at least they didn't drag it out till the middle of season 9! Burt Gummer 01:52, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Great episode. One of the stronger episodes this season. Nice, creepy twist at the end, reminiscent of some of the better Ben twists of last season.--Paulski.mcb 06:39, 12 April 2007 (PDT)paulski.mcb

Great Episode, as it hinted at genuine plausable answers to questions people wanted to put down to the paranormal. --Hit and miss 06:50, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

It was a great episode in that it took everything that people thought they saw and understood about Juliet from the beginning of the season and changed it by showing more detail. The integration of the old flashbacks we had seen into the new flashbacks worked to very good effect. And the final conversation with Ben really had a big impact. Dharmatel4 08:46, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

You know.. it seems increasingly the writers have noted the fans impatience with the shows slow pace of movement.. so instead of layering us with reveals as to the islands secrets and the major plot points so we are instead fed fillers of short term flashbacks to see the otherside of things we didnt see.. and Juliet's ones this week they were so short term they were flashbacks from a day or 2 ago.

Okay its a cheap trick but it does give us something to work with.. I did like Paulo & Nikki's version of events.. that was neat.. gave their characters some meaning and by the end of it.. i liked them.. they were suddenly rounded characters who had points.. something they didnt have till then.

So to see Juliet revealled as the infiltrator any idiot could spot (except Jack) was the lamest bit of writing possible... a reveal would have been why she had to do it...

In summary.. the back stories are wearing aweful thin.. but thats good news for the islands story but simplistic writing as the 'gosh moment' at the end of an episode just killed this weeks drama for me.--Nasher 14:10, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Jacob = Him[]

Did anybody get that feeling,, when Ben was telling Juliet,, it really sounded as Him is Jacob don't you think ?--mo-- (^Talk | ) 20:21, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

I believe Damon and Carlton confirmed that Jacob and Him are indeed the same person. Pkal 20:23, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
- Did it seem that Ben is really afraid of Jacob? Thats what it seemed like to me.

The producers indeed told us they were the same person a while back. With this episode though, I'm starting to think we may have seen Jacob/Him before.--Sauron18 02:25, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Who was that guy,,[]

Who did Juliet sleep with? He looked familiar. Do we have a name for that guy?--mo-- (^Talk | ) 20:24, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Yes....That's Goodwin who infiltrated the Tailies.-Mr.Leaf 20:25, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

ohh the guy that ana-lucia killed,, thanks :) --mo-- (^Talk |

) 20:27, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Many were presuming that Juliet was romantic with Ben but it was Goodwin instead, and Ethan was a good friend. The dynamics here are very super-reflective between Kate & Jules. Imagine what Kate would be willing to do to the Others if both Jack & Sawyer were killed by them? Or maybe Sawyer & Hurley, cuz I don't think Juliet was romantically close to Ethan but she liked him. Juliet really has no reason to do anything positive for the Fuselagers. Not that I'm rooting for Juliet, but as she pointed out to Sayid & Sawyer, the Fuselagers are the last ones to be chosen as moral compass lodestones. -- ZachsMind 10:36, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

I think she was referring more to Sayid and Sawyer than the Losties as a whole. Mr Vain talk contribs email 15:23, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

I think its looking more and more likely that Juliet will kill Charlie to avenge Ethan's murder (Cause she can't kill Ana Lucia.. she's already dead!) and Charlie is the next best guilty. The producers have already confirmed that Charlie won't be back for Season 4, so he'll almost certainly die. Personally I hope she does, it'd be interesting and also I think that character of Charlie has ran it's course. Actually now I think about it, nothing even remotely interesting has involved Charlie. Do it Juliet!! --LostCat 02:35, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

I Ching symbol on submarine[]

When I saw Juliet emerge from the submarine, I noticed the I Ching trigram for 'Gorge', and looked it up in an english edition (credits below) I had handy. Here is the meaning...thought it would be interesting to share...

with the struggle of FORCE, Ch'ien comes heavy labor and isolation. GORGE brings toiling, difficult but worthy labor. It is represented by the whole or strong line venturing on between two open or supple lines.

Gorge, k'an: Dangerous place, hole, cavity, hollow; pit, snare, trap, grave, precipice, critical time, test;risky. The ideogram:Earth and pit.

symbol:Stream, shui:Flowing water, fluid, dissolving; river, tide flood. The ideogram:rippling water

action; Venture Falling, Hsien Hsien: risk falling until a botto mis reached, filling and overcoming the danger of the Gorge

Fall, Hsien: fall down or into, sink, drop, descend; falling water; be captured

Venture, Hsien:risk without reserve; key point, point of danger, difficulty, obstruction that must be confronted; watter falling and filling the holes on its way. The ideogram:mound and all or whole, everything engaged at one point.

Family:Middle or second son, central manhood, Chung NAN, courageous and venturesome

In the Universal Compass, Gorge, K'an, relates to the Streaming Moment and belongs to the North where direction and shape are dissolved, its color is black, suggestiong dark obscure toiling

from I CHING, the classic chinese oracle of change, an complete translation with concordance by Stephen Karcher --Manghangson 21:12, 11 April 2007 (PDT)manghangson

Next Week's Promo At End of Episode[]

Could anyone make out what Sawyer was shouting at the end of the Promo? I've watched it five times and can not make it out. --kcnovA23 01:22, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

"Finish it."--H 11:13, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Note that the promo shows scenes from upcoming episodes and not just next week's. --Makiwolf 11:22, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

What did Aaron's 'coo' sound like to you?[]

I swear I hear Aaron say "Claire!" when she woke up. Anyone else think they heard that? (around the 38:00 mark in the show) Lostfan612 22:37, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Totally sounded like "Claire!" --Divinetorture 17:42, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Hmm, I dunno that seems to be wishful thinking. I think he's much too young to be speaking yet. I'm sure when he says his first word it will be a big dramatic moment in the episode. Voodoo 19:13, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
It definetly sounded like "Claire", yet Aaron is too young (less than 2 month old), and also, you know, calling mother by name instead of yelling out "Mama" is kind of... strange? I really hope it was just a random cry, not "Claire" Asgan 12:57, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Well, there is that theory that Aaron is Boone reborn. --Denny 14:07, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Even if that's true, I think that producers would've written a nicer introduction to this happening. Just a word "Claire" out of sudden is just too dumb - guess Boone may have imagined a better way of telling everybody he's the Turnip Head :) Asgan 13:22, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

Herarat Aviation[]

Anyone found anagrams yet? Has this been mentioned before? --elpaw 22:48, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

- "A VARIATION EARTH" is the most interesting one I have found Mancer 11:21, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

See the Herarat Aviation page. --Marik7772003 22:50, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

You guys really tend to overthink things. The theory that Herarat is a reference to Mount Ararat is not likely to be intentional. I would put my money on the theory that the writers got the name from an anagram of Earhart, seeing as Amelia Earhart was related to both aviation and disappearance in the Pacific Ocean.--Oypingppei 11:09, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

And that there is an Amelia amongst the Others.--scribbleink 08:46, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

With all the other biblical references, the Herarat=Ararat theory is not so unlikely.--Victorcoutin 15:28, 25 April 2007 (PDT)

Absolutely brilliant.[]

Let's avoid another cliched plot device.....by using an even more cliched plot device! --User:Tiw 23:00, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

Oh.......care to elaborate...?Voodoo 19:14, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Would the Others know Sun is pregnant?[]

I'm guessing Kate was tortured for info after breakfast with Ben. Burt Gummer 01:34, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Ethan is said to have taken the blood samples, so it's kind of logical if he tested all the women of losties, and if the fact that Sun's child is of Lee is true, than they should've figured out that she's pregnant. Asgan 13:05, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Answer to one of the questions[]

"Did Ethan really improvise while trying to help or is that just part of Juliet's tale?" I believe that if they implanted a device in Claire that it was planned and not something that Ethan "improvised." Anyone agree with me? Mr Vain talk contribs email 02:30, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

I think she ment that no one told ethan to kidnap claire, he did it when he realise he was busted and didn't have time to ask ben what to do. once she was kidnapped they implanted the device, incase perhaps she did escape? --Hit and miss 06:43, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Or perhaps claire was always supposed to escape and alex is not quite as anti-other as we have been lead to believe. This would further develop the 'danielle is an other' theory--Marcusjh 06:52, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

In the episode Juliet talks about needing a new control subject to make progress in her research and talks to Ben about leaving the island to do that research. Claire fits their requirements for a control subject perfectly. It also explains why Ethan violated orders in taking her out. Unless she was taken quickly, her value as a test subject for Juliet's research would go away. The only problem with them intending for her to escape is explaining Ethan's actions in trying to get her back. Its still difficult to explain what kind of surgery they intended to do on claire or why they would have taken the baby out when she could deliver normally. Dharmatel4 09:16, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

At this point, for all we know, Claire has had an implant since the car accident. Her father may have had the implant put in her even before that, in order to keep tabs on her when her mother refused him visiting privleges. I'm still willing to entertain the notion that Jack & Claire's father is Jacob, or between Ben and Jacob in the Others' hierarchy. -- ZachsMind

Picture of Alex[]

Did anybody else see the picture on the wall behind Ben when Juliet came to tell him about his tumor? It looked very much like Alex, but it was a little dark and it was hard to tell exactly. Can anybody confirm/deny? Phillip M. 05:26, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

I thought it was Alex too. I don't know who else it would possibly be. Was a photograph of a girl with long dark hair. --Amberjet11 08:22, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
We already saw this picture (and others of Alex) in Ben's home in the ("The Man from Tallahassee"). ~~Saukkomies 11:40, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Image is on Buddytv.com, the girl looks too dark to be Alex, but it probably is.Voodoo

Ben's Cancer News[]

Juliet appears to be suspicious when Ben mentions cancer after she only tells him he has a tumor. To me, it's not that surprising and thus not especially suspect that a person would make the leap from "tumor" to "cancer." So does Ben really already know or is Juliet just predisposed to a lack of trust by this time? --Bastion 06:37, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

I think her suspiscion was mostly about whether Rachel had really been cured of her cancer. The ability to cure Rachel's cancer was based on the non-existence of cancer on the island; so if Ben has cancer, what does that say about their ability to cure Rachel? You probably already got that, though. The dialogue seemed quite clunky to me. I can only think that, with no cancer on the island (ever), perhaps Juliet thought Ben shouldn't know tumour=cancer? Either that, or this was one of the scenes that was destroyed by the airport x-ray machine, and they had to shoot something to cover it. Burt Gummer 07:09, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

The problem is that tumor and cancer are not synonyms. She said he had a tumor, but not that it was cancerous and then seemed to bristle at his 'knowledge' that it was malignant. His response could indicate that he already knew he had cancer, but it could as easily simply be that he made the leap/mistake of assuming "tumor" implied "cancer." I find it interesting that she assumed the former, when the belief that they're synonymous is fairly common. --Bastion 11:39, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Ben's reaction reminded me of the Mel Brooks comedy routine 2000 Year Old Man. In it he talked about the cave man days before the 'invention' of God. People used to worship a guy named Phil cuz he would beat up everybody. Then one day Phil stood out in the rain when the rest of them ran for the caves, and they witnessed Phil get struck by lightning. From that day forward they all knew there was someone bigger than Phil. Ben reminds me of Phil. -- ZachsMind

I am just wondering, but Ben said "2 days after I found out I had a fatal tumor on my spine..." to Jack in the Hydra. Now on the day of the crash he says "yesterday you called me a liar." ... yesterday: when Juliet told him about his tumor. This is only one day before the crash, not two as he said in episode 5. Kohji 11:43, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Given that its Ben, there is every possibility that he knew before Juliet told him. In the one day before discussion there is no discussion of the tumor being fatal either. Dharmatel4 19:47, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Juliet is (a fertility doctor, I know) a physician, Jack is a physician. From watching enough medical shows, to determine cancer cells, a biopsy is taken. Any yahoo knows this. Unbelievable that Juilet thinks Ben has cancer without taking a biopsy. Unbelievable that Jack has never taken a biopsy. What's the deal? I agree with Dharmatel4. Ben jumps to conclusions about cancer like an uninformed neophyte. Is this a ploy? It must be. I can't believe Ben is that stupid. --Victorcoutin 15:25, 25 April 2007 (PDT)

Island Fertility[]

I'm not sure if the story Juliet told the Losties is reliable, but we can assume the stuff in her flashbacks is genuine.
So, women on the island can't survive pregnancy, because their immune system thinks the baby is an invasive organism (or some such gobbledegook). Juliet failed to help any of the women, and formulated a theory that the problem starts at conception - so could the problem be something to do with the fathers rather than the mothers?
Not sure if we can believe the version of events about Claire's kidnap. After all, the whole sickness/serum thing was designed to get Juliet accepted by the Losties. The story about Claire's blood samples showing she had the same symptoms as other pregnant women (despite conceiving off the island) could be part of the scam. However, if Juliet's story about Claire is true, shouldn't Sun be panicking about developing the same symptoms - and shouldn't Jack be warning her?
Burt Gummer 07:23, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

We actually know more than that.

We know that the women on the island are normally infertile because of degeneration of the reproductive organs.

Do we know that the women can't conceive? Burt Gummer

Actually, we know that they CAN conceive. It was right there in the flashbacks. Ben said "____ Chose to get pregnant." Juliet also said "It begins at conception."--Ex-Pope Cardinal Richard Corey 13:34, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

I meant concieve naturally, or do they need Juliette's help to get pregnant? Burt Gummer

As explained so far, Juliet's research was on getting infertile women pregnant. That was her sister's problem and that was the Others approached her about when they recruited her. They showed her materials on damaged reproductive systems. If the problem on the island was an immunological problem during pregnancy, it seems very unlikely that they would recruit a fertility researcher. They make it clear that her treatment was what they brought her to the ialand for and that her treatment ran into problems on the island. Dharmatel4 20:00, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

We know that while Juliet's treatment can make them pregnant, the pregnancies seem to end with the death of mother and child due to some sort of immune reaction.

We know Ben was born on the island, maybe conceived somewhere else? But, then again we dont know the reproductive situation at any other time on the island but the present--Snalpy 16:37, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Only because that's what Ben tells Locke (in The Man From Tallahassee). But since Ben is trying to persuade Locke not to blow up the sub, and it later turns out that Ben wanted Locke to blow up the sub, can we be confident about what Ben said? Burt Gummer

Whatever causes the immune reaction is theorized to occur at the time of conception.

Juliet talked about the need for a control subject. That control subject would have conceived off the island and given birth on the island. That subject almost certainly became Claire.

Panicking Sun would almost seem to be part of a larger plan. And given the results with Claire, Sun would seem to be next on the list of test subjects.Dharmatel4 08:36, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Jack showed an alarming lack of communication in this episode. Think of how much time and energy he could have saved if he'd announced to the camp, "Juliet is leaving to find medicine to help Claire," instead of keeping it a secret and making Sawyer and Sayid (rightfully) suspicious. Personally, I think Juliet's story about Claire is a scam, since Ben mentioned an activated implant in the flashback, but Jack should have said something...and hopefully he will, next week. I have little faith in that, though. Remember how long he went without telling anyone that Ben was being held in The Swan? --Amberjet11 08:25, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
- Jack (and Locke) seem to have mastered the concept that information is the real currency of the island. Money is useless and guns can give someone a temporary advantage, but information is the only real source of power. That's why Locke and Jack never tell anyone anything that they don't absolutely need to know. I'll have to check and see if there's already a page for this idea, otherwise I'll create on and elaborate. Oanjao 08:58, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Oh, excellent idea! That's probably the most concise description of what we've seen since the beginning of season 2. --Amberjet11 09:14, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
That ties in nicely with the type of Economics Jack represents as well. Good idea! --Trewqh 14:10, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
And in fact, information is the only currency of the show itself because that (or let's say, the lack of information) is what keeps people watching ;). --Soul Provider 16:02, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Even if Jack had explained what Juliet was going to do, someone ought to follow her just in case she was actually going to fetch a box of hand grenades! Burt Gummer

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Rosseau (can't spell) have Alex on the island? Didn't it say she was 7 months pregnant when they came onto the island? So would this mean that something happened that caused subsequent would-be mothers to die? Mr Vain talk contribs email 14:18, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Rousseau arrived on the island in 1988 and had her child. We have no idea what the fertility or health conditions of the Others on the Island on that date. We don't know anything about fertility before around 2000. Dharmatel4 14:32, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Luke and Aldo appear to be 20-something, with Karl somewhere in between those two and the teenage Alex. Amelia is the only apparent "elderly" other we've seen. And if Juliet's story to Jack and Kate about observing pregnant mothers die "over and over" is true, it would seem that the Others would have a shortage of women. The population cohort distribution of the Others doesn't seem to be trending well.--Eyeful Tower 06:27, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

A screen (probably) worth noting[]

It might be worth noting that shortly after Juliet wakes up in the submarine she glances at two Others, one of whom wears what appears to be a part of the I Ching symbol/DHARMA logo.--Stan 09:10, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

It's the symbol for water. The same trigram is on the outside of the submarine. Details are in the trivia section of that article. Jabberwock talk contribs email - 09:12, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

It also represents Career, Lifepath and Danger according to the Bagua Map. --chrisarrow, 13 April 2007

Easter egg[]

That's a ripe mango, not an egg.

Luke[]

was Luke actually in the episode?--Phil 12:13, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

He's credited as "other dude" but he's listed. Doesn't that usually mean they have a spoken part? --Jackdavinci 16:25, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Yes, I believe he was the guy in Otherville who said "Hey Juliet" when she was walking to Ben's house to show him his x-rays. Although I would have to rewatch the episode to confirm that. -Mr.Leaf 16:28, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Yes, it definitely was, i just rewatched the scene. He is cleaning a barbecue as he says "Morning Juliet" as she walks to Ben's house. It can be seen at about 26:53 in. -Mr.Leaf 16:32, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Ben Didn't Lie.. Yes He Did[]

There's a blurb by one of the photographs of Ben saying "Ben Didn't Lie." This needs to be re-worded. He DID lie. However, he lied when he told Juliet that Rachel's remission ended and she was dying again. We know Rachel was in remission and was pregnant with child - by both her own admission and that of Juliet's, before Juliet left for the island (TRUE). When Ben told Jules that Rachel's cancer came back and she'd die in three months and there was nothing Jules could do about it, we only had Ben's word on that (LIE). Then Ben showed Juliet the video feed of Rachel a year or two later with the newspaper confirming the date (TRUE). We can presume based on what we know that Rachel is currently alive and well with a healthy baby. What we can't confirm from a source outside Ben himself is that she ever regressed and got sick again, then was cured. That's when Ben lied. -- ZachsMind 13:14, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

"When Ben told Jules that Rachel's cancer came back and she'd die in three months and there was nothing Jules could do about it, we only had Ben's word on that (LIE)" You have no basis to conclude that the statement is a lie. We cannot start to assume that every character statement without a second source is false or a lie. What the characters say has to be taken at face value until there is proof to the contrary. Dharmatel4 14:29, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Personally, I laughed when Ben insisted he wasn't a liar. And I've only 'known' him for 3 weeks! (In Rousseau's net on day 58, gassing Kate & Jack on day 81). Juliet had known him for 3 years when she called him a liar. The thing about Ben is, he lies so much that even if he's telling the truth you have to wonder if it's some kind of deception. EG. he said he'd let Kate & Sayid go as soon as Jack & Juliet had left the island, knowing full well that Locke was going to blow up the submarine. He didn't lie, but it wasn't the truth either.

Same with Rachel, who clearly seems to be alive and well. But you'd be a fool to take Ben's word for how that happened. Ben tells you whatever it suits his purposes to tell you, and knows that you can't risk calling his bluff. What he says might actually be true, but that doesn't mean he's told you the truth.

Burt Gummer

i just find it utterly wierd that a guy who was persumably born on an island and lived all his life with very few people can be such a master of manipulation

Dutch

Island cultures often develop extremely complex social and political systems - possibly because of their isolation and limited number of participants. With this in mind, Ben's manipulation skills are not all that surprising. --Doc 08:33, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

Rewriting the Summary[]

I felt that this episodes summary was not written to the standardd i have come to accept on lostpedia. It would be my wish that it was rewritten or edited.

one of my suggestions is to divide the Realtime Events into two sections; On the Beach and enroute to the Beach (or something of the sort.

I also noticed that the order of events is slighty differnt or misplaced in the summary than in the episode.

Thanks KevGGrif

Hi KevGGrif. Of course it has only been 24 hours (less) since the episode aired. This page will continually be edited by users for days. Thats how the pages build up and get to the standard we hold. It is not one user and does not take one day. It takes a lot of users input and it will day at least a day or two. I appreciate your concern and your idea, however it really isn't anything near done. Give it some time, if you still in a few days feel there are

some things wrong with it, please let us know. -Mr.Leaf 13:55, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Okie dokie Mr. Leaf i shal be a patient boy and wait, but i also had another idea

more internal referances.

Dioche (Welsh for Thanks) KevGGrif (by the way im not Welsh, im Northern Ireish!tehe.)

I don't really think enough happened enroute to the beach for it to go under it's own heading, personally. Voodoo 19:22, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Where is the Ending explained in the Summary?[]

I just watched this episode, but the crucial ending scene where Juliet is coached by Ben on infiltrating the survivors' camp isn't included. Is there a reason for this omission?

We see Juliet and wheelchair-bound Ben sitting at his kitchen table at night. He tells her to go over the plan again. She says that she is to take Kate into the jungle, and handcuff herself to Kate. That she is to act as if she were left behind as well, and if Kate finds out she should try to gain sympathy about them being stuck in the same situation. She is to return with them to the camp at the beach and she expresses concern about everyone distrusting her. Ben replies that they set-off the implant inside Claire and that within 48 hours she will need medical attention. He states that he will arrange for supplies to be placed at Ethan's old drop-off point. He then asks if everything is okay. They share cold, blank stares. Ben gives her a gas mask and leaves, stating, "I'll see you in a week." < There filed at the end of flashback. Dr Giggles 16:11, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Apologies - I am an idiot because I didn't see it in the Real-Time section, but of course that isn't where it belongs. Thanks. Carry on!

Again Jack's Tatoos...[]

I saw tatoos on Jack's left arm when he gives the blanket and stuff to Juliet at the end. Is it just me, or those tatoos aren't there in any other scene? Was it a double?

No, they have been there all along. --Divinetorture 18:54, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Michael on the Sub?[]

Was that Michael sitting at the table when Juliet walked by? --Divinetorture 18:54, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

I'm 99% sure it wasn't --Blueeagle islander 18:56, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Check out #13 on the list of Others' background cast. That's most likely who you saw. This guy has popped up a few times and he always gets confused with Michael, but he's not.--Compossible 19:20, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

"I'll see you in a week."[]

If we go on the theory that each episode is a day, then Ben & Juliet will meet again in time for the season finale. Will we then discover whos side Juliet is really on? Will a week with the 'losties' change Juliets mission? Is Juliet the "The Snake in the Mailbox"? --RoOkin 02:13, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Its not actually a week. It was a week from the point where She and Ben had the conversation. That conversation was around 48 hours before Claire got sick. My estimate is that there are four days left now before the week is up. Ironically, its around the same amount of time (3 days) that Ben originally gave Ethan and Goodwin to come up with lists. My guess would be that she is supposed to complete Ethan's list, create a situation where the losties drive Jack out themselves and convince Sun to come with her (because Sun is going to die otherwise). There is also a good chance that the truth of what happened between Ethan and Charlie in the jungle will finally be told. Dharmatel4 21:27, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Given that Juliet and Kate woke up in the Jungle on day 81/82, this means it will be roughly day 89 when Juliet is reunited with the Others. This will probably happen during "The Brig". --Bobi (talk) (contribs) 04:46, 22 April 2007 (PDT)

Appearance of Rx-1 GND[]

Anyone notice the re-appearance of this vaccine. Same drug seen in the Medical Station and Desmond injected himself with it in The Swan. Claire already had some of this as Charlie gave it to her. Is this vaccine some sort of super drug that stops anything or does it have a specific purpose? --chrisarrow, 13 April 2007

Juliet in 3x15[]

Can we now confirm the Juliet was indeed in the packing scene in 315 before the Others threw the gas grenades? We saw Ben give her a mask so she was probably there... --Avudim 05:14, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

"Probably" does not equal "confirmed". If I recall correctly, screenshots showed the actress in the scene as having different clothing than Juliet. I say leave it out unless you can find a definitive screenshot or producer comment. --Jackdavinci 10:25, 13 April 2007 (PDT)
I still think that it's Background Other #5. If Juliet was in that scene I don't think that we have seen her yet. I would say at the moment it's more that Juliet probably wasn't there as we don't know whether the other Others know about Ben's plan for Juliet; if they don't know then Juliet wouldn't be in that scene. Although, the question of why the others in this scene needed gas masks isn't clearly answered. It seems that it was a staged scene for the benefit of Kate etc, so if that's the case then why would Juliet need a mask. If she was with Jack when he was gassed the Jack would have seen her wearing the gas mask (perhaps). If she wasn't with him then it doesn't matter. She wouldn't be gassed anyway. The only time Kate sees her is after she has come around and is handcuffed. If Kate or Jack saw her wearing the gas mask, it would blow her story. Perhaps the other Others thought that she was being gassed and left behind. The possibilities are a little complicated whilst we know so little. --Bestrob 04:06, 15 April 2007 (PDT)
- I believe they all needed the masks for genuine protection - what would have happened is someone accidently triggered a grenade - all of them would be gassed :) --Avudim 05:22, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

How did Juliet (the Others) know Sawyer killed Frank Duckett?[]

Mikhail watches the news on multiple channels, could have seen a news report from Sydney related to Sawyer and Duckett while digging for information per Ben's request. --Brother 08:00, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

So the Oz or US police worked out that Sawyer killed Duckett?Burt Gummer

Other possibilities
Mikhail (or other Other) connected Sawyer to Hibbs, and Hibbs to Duckett. Hibbs gave Sawyer the contact to buy the gun in Australia, which matched the gun in the police report on Duckett's murder.

Cooper is the real Sawyer, and was somehow involved in getting Sawyer to kill Duckett.

When Sawyer was looking for the boar in Outlaws, the Whispers repeated Duckett's last words ("It'll come back around"). Has the island got the info from Sawyer's mind? Even if the Whispers are merely repeating what someone has found out, there's no other way to know Duckett's last words unless Sawyer told someone.

Burt Gummer

There are many ways it could happen. Either Hibbs or the man in australia could have informed on Sawyer to the police. The police may suspect that Sawyer did it and that may be reflected in internal reports but that doesn't imply that the police necessarily know that Sawyer did it and would charge him. I would connect Duckett's words with all the other weirdness concerning dead people on the island. Dharmatel4 21:17, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Juliets sister[]

When Ben is showing the cancer charts to Juliet regarding her sister cancer. There is a small second when you can see "sex: male" on the top of the paper. Is Juliets sister originally a man?--Jocham 16:21, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

No, it's a blooper. --Blueeagle islander 21:19, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Cite or psychic? lol --Jackdavinci 21:42, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Tv article[]

Can we get an article for the flame TV and stuff like that?

Submarine[]

I think the episode deliberately makes it uncertain if the submarine is the actual way the Others travel back and forth to the Island from the outside. It seems very strange that Juliet would be kept knocked out for the entire journey until they are docked at the wharf with the hatch open. Dharmatel4 21:38, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Given the long distance of the trip and the (likely) low speed of the sub, it just doesn't seem a practical way to travel. Given that the sub is also likely diesel-electric, it can't stay submerged for long anyway, so the secrecy is lost as well. It's more likely that sub is used only for the final leg of the trip through the locks, if at all.--Eyeful Tower 10:48, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

Actually given that they seem to be in a large pond, Juliet was knocked out, Ethan saying the trip is rough/unusual... I'm thinking probably the only reason they do have a sub is because only a sub could go through an underwater tunnel or whatever magic carpet ride method is needed to get to the island. Probably the sub departs from the nearest regular island and the Others fly there and take the sub from there. --Jackdavinci 22:29, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

That's pretty much what I'm thinking. The primary thing I'm not sure on at this point is whether or not Ben was lying to Locke when he told him that "his people" thought the sub was the only way off the Island. Given that Locke was beaten and confined between the time he blew up the sub and was shown Cooper, I'm inclined to believe Ben was being truthful. But if the Others thought the sub was the only way out, then they would also believe Ben was not honoring the promise to Michael to leave.--Eyeful Tower 05:38, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

The small size and relatively short range of sub suggests that there is a larger landmass not too far from the island. They fly to the staging location and then take the sub the rest of the way. --Doc 08:39, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

It doesn't have to be a larger landmass. It just has to be flat and large enough for a small airstrip. I would think they would fly to Tahiti and then stage to a smaller island. Dharmatel4 20:08, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

Pregnancy and cancer[]

One thing to keep in mind: both boil down to "massive cell growth at particular time".

Ok, of course cancer is a wrong, uncontrolled spreading of disfunctional cells; and fetal development is oriented and the cells grow the way they are supposed to (in ideal cases, of course).

But both can be seen only as "massive growing of cells at one time". Maybe the Island deals with that? - -. Grillage .- 18:04, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

One of Us Recap[]

I made this recap of One of Us shortly after the episode aired and uploaded it to Youtube. I'd like to know what you guys think, and if it's worth continuing this. Pkal 07:20, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

Basra Reference[]

The "Basra" reference could be a reference to the 1991 Shiite uprising following the First Persian Gulf War. Reportedly hundreds of thousands were killed when the Coalition forces did not support them and the remnants of Saddam Hussein's army. [Wikipedia entry on the uprising] --KennyJohnson 04:21, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

Asked question[]

Considering that Mikhail anticipated Ben's request, why would the Others be automatically interested in getting personal information on all the passengers, instead of, say, trying to know about survivors or trying to help them?

Your asking why did mikhail automaticaly lookup information on the losties? Seeing as this Island is obviously a secreat its natural for anyone to be interested in the people who have come there, Obviously ben (being the manipulator he is,) will want any information about them. Seeing as Mikhail was in the army he will know the value of inteligence on any enemy, So its not hard to imagine a manipulator and an army man automaticaly gathering info on suspect people who have invaded on there island. The Question area is really for major plot line questions, like "Who were the cave people?", its not for speculative questions and thats why people have been removing it, as the question of "why does 'anyone' do 'anything'?" will keep being asked.--Hit and miss 05:55, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

Sorry, this is not convincing in any possible way. You say "obviously" twice, while there's absolutely nothing obvious about Ben asking for immediate info on those people. The question here is not a perennial one, it's one of the situation. It happens from time to time, yes, but I can only remember it being brought up as such in 3x01, when they see the plane breaking up in the sky and choose to infiltrate the survivors, instead of doing something else - something more predictable or logical. If it's unpredictable and illogical, the question remains for us, but I won't post it again. You probably know better than I do. - -. Grillage .- 18:47, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

Archaeology?[]

with all the wild theorization and intense dissection that goes on at this site, i was pretty surprised to see that nobody offered this up, but that might just mean i'm smoking crack. did anybody else think that the huge rock(s) in the middle of the screen when juliet looks up at the island might be some of the archaeological theme that the producers mentioned would be an important concept in this season? (see may 26th 2006 podcast) so far the only archaeological item that stands out in my mind is the giant foot, and like many other things, it hasn't been mentioned since. the rock i'm talking about is at about 12:45, if you go to abc.com's episode viewer. here's a pic:

i admit, i'm probably seeing something that isn't there, they're probably mountains, but the rock formations at the front seem a little too evenly spaced for natural rock. it could possibly be an ancient temple or pyramid type structure that's since seen some kind of damage, and lots of overgrowth. it seems to have levels. and the way they shot it seems to make it important - we first see juliet's reaction, then the camera slowly keeps revealing more and more vertical space until it's all in the shot. we see mountains in the background before this shot, so it seems strange that it would just be a "whoah, look at the big island" kind of shot. maybe i just need to go to hawaii - for all i know all the mountains there look like that. just figured i'd throw it out there. feel free to chime in.

--Rambuncto 05:42, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

Its certianly a lot more realistic then the "time warp, tunnel, vortex" stuff some people are chiming, However I believe juliets reaction was based on the fact that she was just in the middle of an airport in the civilized world, now after 5 seconds of OJ shes on a remote island with little civilisation, and shes probly thinkin "OMG why have I signed up for!" --Hit and miss 05:55, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

Those features could be man-made, or they could be natural. Volcanic mountains can often look like that after substantial erosion. For other examples, look at the badlands in South Dakota and Devil's Tower in Wyoming. --Doc 08:42, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

I absolutely agree that there is the possibility that these features are man-made, covered with hundreds of years of invasive jungle flora. That's certainly the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw them. Something akin to the four-toed statue, and perhaps even what Kate and Sawyer were busting up rocks trying to uncover? There's nothing conclusive yet, however. So we'll just have to wait and see... --Madhank 10:22, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

Well, while it's possible, that's just how the set is. This is the same set they used for the previous appearance for the dock within the Barracks, and the mountains are naturally like that. So while it could be, I don't think this particular things is a case of archeological findings. --Sauron18 21:06, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

That's the actual landscape in Hawaii and not CGI. It's also the ridge seen in the scene with Eko and monster-Yemi. --Jackdavinci 01:08, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

I lived in Oahu and Kaui. There is a place called Waimanalo in Oahu where you see something that looks very much like those mountain ridges. Also in Kauai there is a valley region that is reminiscent of the view in the background. My point? It's not just some backdrop, it's probably just a part of their filming location. --Victorcoutin 13:14, 25 April 2007 (PDT)

Tying the knot[]

I think the bit about Juliet tying the knot symbolising her 'double crossing' Jack and co. and 'tying' the fake relationship should be removed. 1) I think it's reading too far into it. 2) We don't know if she is really double crossing them. She could be looking in evil because she has some hidden agenda against Ben. We really don't know what she's going to do and who she is going to betray.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Electrology (talk • contribs) .

Timeline question[]

A few days ago, I changed this page to say that the episode took place on days 82-84, but I see someone has changed it back to 83-85. The timeline page shows the episode as covering 82-84, and I think the sequence of events presented there makes sense. At the beginning of the episode, Jack, Sayid, Kate & Juliet are about to make camp for the night, suggesting that it's late afternoon/early evening, which makes it reasonable to think that it's the same day that the previous episode ended on. Am I missing something that shows it's a new day? I don't want to change it to 82-84 again only to have someone change it back, so I figured I'd ask here first. --Compossible 18:21, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

There were/are a bunch of complicated issues that have come up with the timeline starting right after Locke blew up the submarine. Sawyer gave an amount of time left on his nickname punishment that didn't line up quite right. There is also some ambiguity about how long various people were gassed and when the gassing occured. If you want to see all the details, go to the discussion on the timeline article for December. I dont think anything will be resolved until there is a new date presented by the show. Dharmatel4 20:00, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

Thanks for pointing me in the direction of that conversation. It seems like the information should at least be consistent between the timeline page and the episode page, but I'll leave it alone until we get some better info. --Compossible 21:59, 15 April 2007 (PDT)

Other's Purpose relating to Island Mythology[]

This isnt related to the science of the cancer/procreation thing but I found it interesting that these two extremes have been revealed as playing a seemingly important role in the Others society and the mythology of the island. Possibly the most significant manifestation of the light/dark, good/evil theme. Cancer for many is immediately associated with death (I know that it doesnt have to be) and pregnancy is obviously life manifested. The island seems to defy both rendering cancer non-existant (except for Ben's) and making new-life impossible at least for humans. Do we think that the others society is located on the island purely because of apparent benefits (utopia theory) or to gain scientific knowledge to bring back to the outisde world for the 'good of humantity.' The stuggle to bring fertility to the island to me suggests that the Others are concerned solely with the good of 'Other' society otherwise bringing fertility to the island would seem a pointless endeavour. My mind is fairly made up on their building a perfect isolated society now rather than working for the good of all humanity (both theories were once rattling around my head). --Laika 02:44, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

Perhaps this is the whole point of the DHARMA initiative as well: Maybe the island can eliminate natural death, but a side effect is eliminating birth as well. Since supposedly it is the mothers that die, not their babies, maybe the island is enforcing replacement fertility. In fact, this could be the clue to the whole thing, including the Valenzetti equation. The island has solved the equation and allowed humans to live forever, but it has taken away certain things as well, like fertility. So maybe the others are really keen on "cheating" the island - allowing fertility while keeping its healing/longevity powers. This is why Juliet is so important.

Perhaps the island is now also killing people (like Eko, the Tailies, the Others, etc) in order to bring the population back into balance! There's a grand unified theory of the show: The island is a restrictive paradise that allows long life and prosperity but only for a few people at a time. --Pedxing 14:32, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

'The Others' disguise plan.[]

Did anyone else take note of the fact that after the crash when Ben and Juliet travelled to the Flame they were wearing regular clothes and not the 'tribal hobo' disguises? Seems clear that the disguises were a purely '815 survivor' centric plan perhaps devised at a later point. They're clearly not concerned about hiding themselves are there identity from an other island residents. This seems to prove that they either dont know about any other island residents or they arent concerned about the ones they know of (ie. Danielle). Does this add to the 'Rousseau is an Other' theory or not significantly enough? Maybe she isnt and they just dont see her as a threat. Personally if I'd stolen someones baby though.. I'd see them as a threat. --Laika 03:01, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

Another thing that interested me was the fact that not only were they dressed exactly as they were at the barracks but Juliet was still holding her book. This is really odd considering Ben said something along the lines of them having plenty of time. It seems if you were going on reasonably long trek (as I assumed was the case between flame and barrack) you'd at least put down your book. Maybe theres a bullet-train we dont know about.... probably not though.--Laika 03:12, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

How a Fertility Expert Intimidates a Hardened Conman + a Military Interogator[]

Juliet makes Sayid and Sawyer back down in front of the tree while retrieving the suitcase as they attempt to corner her for an interrogation. She continues back to the castaways' camp to treat Claire.

First of all this is under the assumption that Sayid and Sawyer are the characters they are originally presented as. They are the type of people that are unfazed by any surprise situation. Nothing Juliet could throw at them would cause the dumbfounded reaction we saw in the episode. Yes they might have felt shocked, surprised, baffled flabbergasted, but these two come from backgrounds where the talent for ignoring their feelings in this type of a situation allows them to complete their goals.

1) Juliet has been established as an unstable, hysterically emotional character as has been shown in the scene where she falls apart in front of the TV monitors of the Flame. She isn't a solid enough personality to face down a con artist or a military interrogator.

2) Sayid while feeling remorse and guilt over his past, retains the interrogator's ability to ignore his emotions in order to complete his goals. In this case, interrogating Juliet.

3) Sawyer by the very nature of being a con artist, has the ability to continue to follow through with his original plan no matter what is being thrown at him and to change strategies quickly as a result of an unexpected reaction on the part of his "mark." That the fertility doctor can throw out anything that can divert the con artist's plan is unbelievable. The plan was to interrogate her.

4) They accepted the ploy that Claire was ill. But Sayid is an expert at telling when people are lying (as an interrogator). Sawyer is a con artist who (we can assume) can tell when he is being conned.

5) Even if they decided to let Juliet treat Claire, they could have continued the interrogation in two ways:

A) Made it a short enough session to let Juliet continue within a few minutes.

B) Taken up the interrogation after Claire's treatment.

6) Juliet's incredible knowledge of both their pasts wouldn't have dispelled them from asking her questions. On the contrary that would have made them even MORE curious, giving grounds for them to ask even MORE questions.

7) There is no reason to think either of them would be afraid of Juliet's revelations being exposed to the rest of the Castaways.

A) They wouldn't assume that Juliet not only a stranger, but an Other would carry more weight with the group than they would. The Castaways would naturally take Sayid and Sawyer's word over Juliet's.

B) They wouldn't care what the Castaways thought at this point anyway. They are an integral part of the group.

C) Juliet could probably offer similar knowledge on the entire roster of Castaways. However this would bring the entire group of Castaways down on her head, probably eliciting an even more vigorous interrogation from the entire group.

I have a theory that Juliet and the Others have an unknown way or device to remove the willpower of any person they choose, perhaps Juliet carries a pocket device that emits a willpower destroying field. Perhaps the island has a way of destroying people's resolve or willpower.

This to me is an unanswered question. Please respond with reactions or objections. I'd like to post this as a question on the bottom of the main page. --Victorcoutin 14:36, 25 April 2007 (PDT)

Wow, talk about over-analyzing. It's called "guilt trip". They backed down because they don't have any room to talk or confront her on anything. Dharma-23 11:10, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

IPA[]

Your browser must be capable of Unicode characters to display the IPA sign [ʒ]. --Prolinesurfer 10:50, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

Vaccine "blooper"[]

The blooper comment claims that Claire had some of the vaccine beforehand, so it didn't make sense that Juliet would need to get more. The vaccine was part of Dharma's ploy of an island-wide infection and quarantine. Juliet refers to her substance as a "serum," not a vaccine, and says that she developed it herself, independent from Dharma. To me, the two substances are obviously unrelated, and I think the "blooper" doesn't exist and should be removed.--Christopher J 04:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

with everything except that saying the vaccine was part of a DHARMA ploy, but that's not relevant anyways. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 06:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

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Juliet Dragging Kate Into The Jungle...[]

When the group was going back to the original camp, Juliet admitted to Jack that she dragged Kate into the jungle and handcuffed herself with Kate. It surprised me that Jack had no reaction to this at all. Had they argued about this or had Jack told this to Kate and Sayid (I believe this was worthy of telling them), the group would be suspicious about Juliet. Given the fact that she's going there as a spy to infiltrate the survivors, this O-Mission would be destroyed before even beginning. Am I making sense or did I miss something about this topic?

I've just watched both episodes relevant to this question. I think it was pretty much assumed Juliet dragged Kate out into the jungle when she revealed she had a key to the handcuffs all along. Juliet's admission to Jack wasn't really news. At least to my memory when watching the episode for the first time, that line didn't come as a surprise to me. All throughout this Juliet still maintains she was gassed and left behind, just like the rest of them. She admits to Kate in "Left Behind" that she wanted her to think they were in it together, so she wouldn't be left behind again. I think it's safe to assume Jack and Sayid had been told what happened between the point in which they left the Barracks, and Juliet making that joke. As outlined by Juliet at the end of this episode, it was always her plan to admit to the lie if caught out, and say it was her only way to earn trust.--Baker1000 (talk) 18:02, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

September 2004[]

In Synopsis, date of Ben learning about tumour is given Sep. 20, despite the fact that in the dialogue it is stressed later in the epsiode and i the page's "Bloppers" that it was 1 day before the crash (Ben did say more days at the start of S3, but bloppers page and in-episode dialogue say otherwise). Should the date in synopsis be changed? And does it add up to Juliette's claim on the day of telling about tumour that the next day is exactly 3 years since she came to the Island? Gevorg89 (talk) 20:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)