Talk: Naomi Dorrit

Main Character

Completely think she should've stayed on the show as a main character through Series 4. R.G. was set up as quite a mystery, and the actress herself is engaging and fantastic.

Rename

ABCMedianet revised the press release, changing the name of the parachutist to Naomi. ShadowUltra 18:26, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

Revised Press Release JoserKyind 20:13, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

Why was it changed to Naomi Dorrit? How do we know her surname, was it in a press release?--Baker1000 06:06, 30 April 2007 (PDT)

Never mind, just found out--Baker1000 06:07, 30 April 2007 (PDT)

character status

does anyone know how long Naomi is slated to appear in lost? Guest, recurring or new main character? --Marcusjh 08:54, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

She is listed as a guest star for "Catch-22","D.O.C." and "The Brig"--Phil (talk)08:58, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

At the moment she looks like a recurring guest star. She may one day become main cast (who knows...) but at the moment she is set to appear for three straight episodes as a guest star. -Mr.Leaf 13:52, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

Welcome to the main characters page Naomi! --Spheritic 05:33, 16 May 2007 (PDT)

Though admittedly I'm of the opinion she'll be a recurring character in season four and is not in fact dead, I may for objectivity's sake be in error. Is it not a bit premature to put her on the main characters page? Considering how she's all horizontal and leaking for the next eight months? ZachsMind 13:58, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

--Dharmas Dad 05:55, 19 December 2007 (PST)

Connection to Rose?

I understand a possible connection to Henry Gale, but why is there a possible connection to Rose Nadler listed in the Unanswered Questions? --Bobznc 23:11, 21 April 2007 (PDT)

I think it's something to do with the possibility of her being Rose's daughter. She's about the right age, and she's the right ethnicity. Maybe she isn't dead after all.. Gothicfrog 05:46, 22 April 2007 (PDT)

We don't know her ethnicity. She speaks with a semi-British accent, speaks several languages, and has a book printed in Portuguese. Rose is American, from the Bronx. You might as well say that Charlie and Sawyer are twin brothers, for how far-out this theory is. --Amberjet11 10:29, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

Naomi & the parachutist in Lord of the Flies

It's been many years since I read LotF, but I remember that his arrival (although a corpse) had a clear effect on the book's narrative. Can someone add that information to the appropriate article? -- Llywrch 12:02, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

Naomi's company

I know there hasn't been hardly any information given about this in the show yet, but once more has been revealed, I think it would be a good idea to create a new page for this.

So far, all we know is that they were hired by Penny, have access to very high-tec equipment, and are probably the best chance for rescue as of yet.

• We don't know that at all. Charlie's discussion with Penny would, if anything, indicate the exact opposite.TheBookPolice 10:08, 7 January 2008 (PST)

She mentioned that she came from a freighter ship. It's possible that the ship could be the medical/hospital ship Helgus Antonius mentioned in "The Lost Experience." Also, since it was built in 2001, it certainly tracks with the theory that Naomi is indeed in the present (Dec. 2004). Unfortunately, that could also mean a lot of trouble.

After looking at the schematic of the ship, as configured, there doesn't appear to be a helipad. However, ships can be reconfigured for different jobs.

Actually, a container freighter wouldn't need much modification, if any at all. According to the file photos, the Helgus is a container ship, so converting some deckspace to receive aircraft would be easy, provided the cargo cranes in the blueprints were tucked away close to the deck. --ConspiracyofDetails 10:27, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

Check out Find 815 if you want a decent guess as to the company for which Naomi works.TheBookPolice 10:07, 7 January 2008 (PST)

Unanswered Question: Oxygen mask

"Why was she wearing an oxygen mask if she was flying in a helicopter?"

Surely this is just a stylistic point - she's wearing a mask so that we can't see her face so that there can be a dramatic reveal when it's removed and we find out that it's not who Desmond expected it to be. I don't think this has any bearing whatsoever on the plot, so surely this question should be removed?

Agreed, completely. I've done some checking with several military pilots I know and none of us are able to come up with a single helicopter that a civilian would have access to that uses an oxygen system like that. If you're asking for a personal opinion, I'd say it's on the order of 99.993% likely that the mask was purely for dramatic effect and has no significance otherwise. (Naturally, with this show, there's always that tiny uncertainty factor, but the information can be revived later if it is, indeed, significant.) --ConspiracyofDetails 10:24, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

Question removed accordingly (it was me that posted the query, sorry I didn't sign it). I'd say that many, if not most films sacrifice realism for dramatic effect in this way (a classic example being bullets always appearing still in their shells once they've been fired, e.g. in The Matrix - it's actually less confusing for the audience to eschew realism in that case). As stated, if it does become relevant the information will inevitably be added as a matter of course.Liquidcow 13:16, 14 May 2007 (PDT)

Naomi's Ship

The introduction of the article claims the ship was anchored eighty miles offshore. Has this been established, or is it conjecture? Ships can launch and recover helicopters while unanchored, so the distinction seems to be important. --ConspiracyofDetails 10:21, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

• This could be important for the wiki page, "Naomi says her ship is approximately 130 clicks to the West of us", and there is no reference to the direction the ship is on the island in relation to where she landed on the island. Also 130km should maybe be referenced since that is how Mikhail explains it to Ben.--mac_ad 23:07, 18 May 2007 (PDT)

"Are you having a laugh?"

If Naomi's remark is her own reference to the 2005 sitcom "Extras," this could be a hint to just how far time has moved on off-Island.

I doubt that it is. I'm in the UK, never watched Extras, don't know anyone that has - and "are you having a laugh?" comes up all the time in conversations. >: 4 8 15 16 23 42 10:41, 22 May 2007 (PDT)

"Are you having a laugh?" is a very common figure of speech, only if she said it in a high-pitch voice like Andy Milman in Extras would it be a reference (and a completely inapropriatte and confusing one at that). Also, the series of Extras that features that reference wasn't aired until late 2006 in the UK, and early 2007 in the US.

Oh god. As soon as she said that my Dad shouted it out just like on Extras. It's a common phrase especially in England. Where I live people would say it as "Are you 'avin' a laugh?" :P--Baker1000 08:54, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

Change her picture.

Exactly what it says in the title. That full body low-def blurry one of her is awful!

Atleast get a high def one.--Magnet 19:48, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

Any pics of Marsha Thomason are stunning. What are you guys worried about? Her pic's fine. =) ZachsMind 13:36, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

• Okay I take it back. This most recently chosen pic makes Marsha look like Mona Lisa with a hangover. The previous photo was better. ZachsMind 12:32, 28 May 2007 (PDT)

Lack of interest

Does anyone else think its really odd that nobody thinks to ask Naomi about Michael or Walt? I would have thought that some of the Losties would want to know if they survived. Its like they've all assumed that because Naomi doesn't bring it up, they must be dead. In fact nobody seems to show any interest in the outside world at all. She's the first contact they've had in 90 days, and nobody asks her for news.

I believe that to be on purpose. It's blatant misdirection by the writers. Since we now know for certain from Penny's own mouth that Naomi is not her employee, there is only one other way that Naomi could have possibly known about Desmond & Penelope and that's through either Walt or Michael. So the writers have purposefully not gone there, hoping we the audience have forgotten about it. This doesn't explain the photograph, but there's ways to write themselves out of that particular corner. Won't be too difficult. ZachsMind 13:34, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

• • We don't know for certain that Naomi is not Penny's employee. Penny said "Who's Naomi?", so that probably means that she hadn't met her personally, but when we first met Naomi she stated herself that she had never met the woman that had hired her company. It could still be true that Penny hired Naomi's company to find Desmond.

• • Also, since Michael betrayed his friends in order to purchase his freedom, assuming he made it he'll probably keep a low profile back in civilization. The world (and Naomi) probably have no idea that he's out there. And if we consider the fact that Michael and Walt left the island on Day 67, and Naomi landed on the island on Day 86, less than three weeks, that's not much time for Michael to get back to civilization, make contact with Naomi, and Naomi return to the island.

• • And even if Charlie was right about Naomi not working for Penny, there are plenty of ways for Naomi to know about Desmond and Penelope other than through Walt and/or Michael. In fact, Walt and Michael would be pretty low on the list of possible sources for that information. Walt had never even met Desmond, and it's not clear if Michael and Desmond ever met either. I don't think they were ever on camera together, and they were only in the same camp for a few hours at the most after Desmond returned and before Michael left to hand Jack, et al over to the Others (remember Desmond had run off before Michael had returned to camp with the Tailies). Desmond and Penny had a relationship before Desmond wound up on the island, so the Flight 815 survivors aren't the only people in the world who know about them. Charles Widmore, for example, could have told Naomi about them, or Ruth, or Donovan, or any number of people back in Britain who happened to know them both.

Dead or Alive: UNKNOWN

I think she is dead. If you watch Lost On Location on the DVD Extra Disc - the actress who plays her talks about death acting and how annoyed she is with Locke for killing her character. --User:Jonny84/sig

Im sorry but i dont see how we can say its unknown if she is deceased! She had a knife deep in her back, and starting spewing blood from the mouth. I think it's safe to say shes a goner. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 07:24, 25 May 2007 (PDT)

...if only there were a doctor (or two) nearby--maybe a surgeon whose specialty is the human back--she might stand a chance...after all, how could she possibly have a punctured lung and survive (again)?... It's not like the island has some kind of healing properties, that could halt cancer or make a crippled man walk.

Do you actually watch this show? Locke should be dead. Patchy should be dead. Half the cast should be dead. Heck they should all be dead. It was a plane crash for crying out loud. I'm tentatively willing to accept that when we see a prominent character given a proper burial, the producers won't bring them back, although writers do have ways to counteract even that, and I wouldn't put it past them. So Naomi's condition is currently UNKNOWN. IN DISPUTE. UNCERTAIN. NOT DEFINITIVE. OPEN TO CONJECTURE & DEBATE. And we have a loooong time to debate this. ZachsMind 18:56, 29 May 2007 (PDT)

I would question it just based on the fact that the island has already saved her at least once (possibly it kept her alive and showed Desmond where to find her), so it may have intervened yet again. Also Mikhail, doesn't seem to know how to die, why can't this happen to other people (it did with John).  ge0  Talk  contribs  08:30, 25 May 2007 (PDT)

We also gotta take into account the amusing tendency towards irony and coincidence the writers are taking. Perhaps Naomi will survive, but as a parapelegic. Since Locke will be responsible for her inability to walk, having severed her spinal cord with his knife, the dramatic ramifications of that are rich in possibilities. ZachsMind 13:38, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

Oh come on.. they keep Mikhail alive for shock value.. and Locke they wouldnt kill so that shooting was just for shock value. Naomi has been used for her purpose and theres no more need for her by the producers. Shes gone, I know other people survive but Pur-Leez.. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 01:29, 11 October 2007 (PDT)

I can't think of a reason to keep Naomi around, but that doesn't mean the producers don't have one. You could have easily said that Mikhail had served his purpose when he went through the sonic fence (or when he had a spear sticking out of his chest), but that didn't stop him from coming back. I'm not saying she's alive, but wanting her to be gone (whatever your reasons) doesn't make it so.

• In the bonus features disc of Lost: The Complete Third Season (DVD), there is an interview with Marsha Thomason in which she mentions, "I'm not thrilled with Locke... Today he kills my character," meaning that Naomi is in fact dead.
  • Or Thomason said that to mislead the audience, or just as a lead in to her comments about 'acting' dead.

• She doesn't necessarily know whether the character has been killed or not at that point (likely filmed the day the episode was shot), the writers wouldn't likely even know. It should not be considered canon.-Mr.Leaf 18:48, 23 December 2007 (PST)

• It's strange that they keep showing her face. Desmond closes her eyes and covers her up. Later they put her on the helicopter and, oops, face uncovered again!? Never mind carrying her through the jungle on a stretcher with her eyes open and face uncovered... However, I believe the spider theory is a dead duck at this point as the poison in only supposed to work for 8 hours and Naomi was killed in daylight on the 23rd; when they put her on the helicopter it is the afternoon of the 24th and she is still a stiff.Oodles 01:40, 21 February 2008 (PST)

Working with Penny?

• What does everyone think? Does Naomi really work for Penny? Or was she lying about everything, inluding the whole you-were-all-found-dead-thing? I think that although the natural reaction is to presume that she's a liar who works for someone else, I think she could still work for Penny. After all, the head honcho of a company doesn't always know all their employees... maybe Penny owns the company, and Naomi works for her. They've never met each other, so why would Penny know her? Opinions? Thoughts? --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  05:07, 28 May 2007 (PDT)
  • The possibilities are myriad. Naomi could be an underling working for someone who works for Penny and Penny didn't know her personally. However, the fact Naomi had the picture of Desmond & Penny in hand indicates she works for someone intimate to Penny. My guess is it's Penny's father that Naomi actually works for. I belive Ben's been trying to keep The Island out of the hands of Charles Widmore. Desmond trying to get to Penny is actually luring the entire Island into Charles' grubby little paws. Ultimately Penny has to side with either Daddy or her love, and considering how this show goes, I'm betting she sides with Daddy. It's also entirely plausible that somehow Michael or Walt got their hands on Desmond's picture and gave it to Naomi, but how they made a copy of it before getting on the boat is difficult to figure out. Not entirely impossible, but just highly improbable. ZachsMind 12:27, 28 May 2007 (PDT)

It's possible that Naomi works for Penny, just like she said she did. The only indication we have that Naomi is lying about that is the fact that Penny said "Who's Naomi?", but we already know from Naomi that the two had never met personally. If Penny had hired Naomi's company there's no reason to believe that Penny would recognize Naomi's name. As for the picture, if Penny hired a firm to look for Desmond, it makes sense that Penny would make sure everyone had a copy of the picture so they'd recognize Desmond on sight.

Anagram theory moved

Moved this to the Theory discussion page as it belongs in the Theory section rather than the main article:

"Raid Monitor [anagram of Naomi Dorrit] could be a tip that she is one of the Dharma people who was sent to the Island after the purge, the Dharma crews outside the Island lost contact with the crews on the Island, so by sending in Naomi, they hope to find out what happened after the purge. This is why Ben was so alarmed when Mikhail brought news of her presence on the Island. Also she told Mikhail, who at the time was wearing a DHARMA jumpsuit, that she was not alone, which may also imply that she is from the DHARMA Initiative."

Put it on the discussion page for now, if whoever wrote it wants to move it to the theory page it's up to them.Liquidcow 02:42, 5 June 2007 (PDT)

Naomi's Death

I don't get why people think that she might still be alive if the producers said that 15 people died in the season 3 finale. She is one of those people!!!!! So don't say "Unknown what happened to her," because she's dead!!!

• You're obviously 100% certain that she's dead, but if you don't get why other people might think she's still alive you should probably watch a few episodes again and pay attention to how many people have appeared to die, only not. Nobody is insisting that she's still alive. Most people seem to agree that she's probably dead, but since we haven't seen her buried yet (in fact, even if she does die from the knife wound - which she probably will, it's safe to say she wasn't dead by the time the camera cut away from that scene) they're acknowledging the possibility that she might have survived the attack. As for the 15 people dying, knowing that the producers like to intentionally mislead the viewers I'm sure I could count 15 without including Naomi.

This is not the right place to be talking about season 4 spoilers. Dharmatel4 08:57, 19 December 2007 (PST)

You're right, sorry! Removed spoiler! ~ Unfortunate

Any chances to give her "Unknown, presumably deceased" status? See, she is in press-releases for both 4x02 and 4x03. The second episode is rumored to be the freighters' flashback, so she might appear there, but the only way she could apper in "the Economist" is either alive (healed by the Island) or as a corpse. So, it's the same situation as with Mikhail before D.O.C. - I suggest not to declare her dead until then Malachi 06:16, 2 February 2008 (PST)

Even without the press releases, I would agree with this. Mikhail came back after appearing to be dead a couple of times, and Naomi already came back once. Plus our only evidence of her death is Kate's word, and while I can't think of a reason for Kate to lie about that, it ought to be considered. If she's definitely dead, then the writers will find some way to make it clearer (either by showing us a corpse or by confirming her death in a podcast or interview).--Timmythegreek 20:46, 3 February 2008 (PST)

Well, we saw her corpse. However, I say there's always a chance that she's still not dead. Never say never.Vico 20:36, 8 February 2008 (PST)

Naomi's Bracelet

There needs to be some mention of this on the page. I couldnt tell what the second letter in the initials was though. I watched it on ABC.com.

Not Alone

I didn't know if it would be okay to remove it, but it seems that the Unanswered Question asking why she told Mikhail she wasn't alone, could be taken out. I would think the reason she said that is that, well, she isn't alone. Sithboy 14:56, 12 February 2008 (PST)

Returning

Has anyone else heard the rumours that Naomi is returning to Lost?? 01lander 19:07, 15 June 2008 (PDT)

Regular

"*Marsha Thomason was originally going to be upgraded to a regular cast member however, her character Naomi, was let go." Removed due to a lack of source/citation for this. --Golden Monkey 13:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

12? I counted 11...

Naomi first appeared in "Catch-22", followed by appearances in "D.O.C.", "The Brig", "The Man Behind The Curtain", "Greatest Hits" and both parts of "Through The Looking Glass". So far we're at seven. She died in her eighth appearance, "The Beginning of the End". She later appeared in flashbacks in "Confirmed Dead", "Meet Kevin Johnson" and "Some Like It Hoth". Combined, that's only eleven.

"The Economist"-Marsha Thomason appeared as Naomi's body on the Island. -Golden Monkey 03:50, June 21, 2010 (UTC)