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Can We believe the MIB?

There's no way to know if his mother actually exists, or if MIB is just convincing Kate to take care of Aaron. This should be put on the page. Felix.beaudry 02:35, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Moved from other page

The MiB tells Kate that before he looked like this he had a crazy mother. He's not referring to Locke's mother, because Locke looked just as he does now when he met his own crazy mother. So which persona with mother issues is he considering? Alex's crazy mother? Black smoke doesn't have a mother. The original MiB who declined fish from Jacob's crazy mother? -PolarBearSkull 05:02, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

  • In my humble opinion, the Man in Black and anything that he says really should never be trusted. I believe that he was just saying those things to Kate to get her worked up about Claire. The Man in Black always seems to have a way of smoothly manipulating the character with whom he is speaking. He finds a way to relate to them, and exploits their soft spots (Sawyer is always trapped and alone, Sayid lost the one he loves, Ben loves and craves power, Claire wants Aaron back). Kate's soft spot at the time is Claire and Aaron, especially since Claire just physically attacked her. I am not completely sure of what the Man in Black's intentions are in manipulating Kate, but I am automatically assuming it was just a manipulative device on the Man in Black's part. --Diabolical Genius 05:07, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
  • He means his own mother. Like he said, he used to be a man once.--Integrated (User / Talk) 12:51, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
  • It's unlikely that they are going to introduce a new crazy woman at this stage of the game, and it would be odd to have the MiB bring up a crazy mother when it wasn't going to be resolved, suggesting that one we have already met the MiB's mother. Our inventory of crazy women so far: Locke's real mother, Danielle Rousseau, Claire, Libby (didn't seem crazy, but she was in the institution). The best result of this line of reasoning is that Aaron is the MiB and Jacob: one raised by Claire and one not, and now I thought about that too much and I have become the crazy woman. -PolarBearSkull 16:54, March 19, 2010 (UTC) (P.S. Good page rewrite).
    • Shows what I know. They introduced two new women, one of whom was crazy, in the second-to-last episode. -PolarBearSkull 03:27, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Rename

I know, "Woman" is very non-specific. It is, however, the way the part was credited. It also fits in with Eve as woman.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 02:12, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pictogram conditionally voting support for now. What are we going to do with his real mother Claudia (portrayed by Lela Loren)? cgmv123TalkContribsE-mail 02:20, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Pictogram voting oppose There are already two articles for Woman. Surely we can come up with something more specific. Maybe "Eve", or "Rebecca" (Biblical Jacob's mother), or just plain Mother. --Butseriouslyfolks 02:40, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Pictogram voting oppose I second 'Mother' as the title of this article. MattC867 02:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Mother seems like the right choice. It's the name Jacob and MIB use for her, and she's certainly a more important character than "Woman." --Cul-de-zack 02:46, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment Talk is good. "Mother" is a better choice. I'm changing my flag on the page.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 02:56, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Pictogram voting support Eve: The clip from season one with Locke naming the skeletons seems to indicate that the woman's name is Eve, and the Man in Black's name is Adam. Mondeca 03:26, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think Mother is a good change also. She is no longer just The Man in Black's mother, but Jacob's mother too.

Pictogram voting support "Mother" is a great name for her. --Frakkin Toaster 03:42, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should call her "Mother Island" -- Slimg 04:12, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pictogram voting support Mother Jeff3210 04:34, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pictogram voting support Mother is the only thing she was called in the show. I also suggest renaming Man in Black "Brother," also the only thing anyone has called him in the show.--Joe Hubris 04:52, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Why not Eve? Ekevoo 05:30, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment I won't object to "Mother" if consensus otherwise goes that way, but I would suggest that "Woman ("Across the Sea")" would be both unambiguous and accurate in regard to the show's official credits. It's noncontroversial, and everyone will know who it refers to. I will strongly object to any fan-based naming like Eve or Rebecca. There is absolutely no basis in lore for the latter, and if you were to draw out the Biblical analogy her name would be more properly "Isaac" based on her role in passing on the birthright to Jacob. While "Eve" has some lore credibility, that has been rendered by information in "Across the Sea" to be inaccurate speculation on the part of a character who could not have been an reliable source due to having no basis of knowledge. Remember, Locke was just Locke in 2004. As far as "Mother Island" no one ever called her that and it implies she IS the island and not just its caretaker. Erielhonan 05:33, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment I think mid-wife would be appropriate. She delivered the new guardians and was indirectly the mid-wife to the Smoke Monster. We could just call her Guardian Eve or Mid-wife Guardian. Alatari 06:17, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Reasonable enough, I'd be okay with an unqualifed Midwife (which shouldn't take a hyphen). I still favor Woman qualified by episode, at least till we learn more about her (which I think we will - bound to be more Jacob/MiB flashbacks in the last 3.5 hrs, tho likely no more Alison Janney). Erielhonan 06:51, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pictogram voting oppose "The Witch". "Mother" is just plain inaccurate, "woman" is just plain nondescriptive, and everything else is too hard to remember. "Guardian" would be okay, I suppose, but she doesn't seem deserving of the term in the way Jacob is. That, and she just seems like a witch to me - all the trappings of the "witch of the woods" archetype. She's got magic powers. She's old. She looks frail but isn't. She kills a woman and steals her babies. She just sounds witch-ey to me. Lemikam 08:06, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Also, holy cow, check out this shot of her; it's the witch giving Snow White the poison apple! Come on! Lemikam 08:13, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
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Personally, I came up with a couple of good nicknames: [1], or [2]. But I have a feeling that these won't catch on.Clamshell 14:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
  • Mother, she the figurative, mother of the island, I even heard Evangeline Lilly refer to her as playing mother earth. Shes also the Mother of the islands two most important inhabitants. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  15:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment This is supposed to be a wiki about Lost, not a wiki about making stuff up. Picking a name that isn't relevant to the show's credits or on-scene dialog should simply not be an option. No Rebecca, no Witch, no Circe, no Mother Island (though Island Mother would work based on her what she's called and what her role is) - they don't have any basis in the show's production. I suggest we steer clear of discussing names that aren't drawn from the show itself. Erielhonan 18:59, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment I propose not calling her their "step-mother" as technically that's not what she was. Foster mother, maybe, Kidnapper, maybe, but not step-mother. Withac 20:23, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

  • 'Mater' - this has shared usage as a descriptive term (like 'mother' to indicate her adoptive role) and also converts to a specific person's title, which would be useful in articles. Duncan905 20:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

To Traditional Christians, Mary is the new Eve. Just Eve doomed the human race: until Milton ( Paradise Lost) the male clergy put the blame on Eve (ignoring the scripture Genesis chapter 3) God refers to adam and Eve as man and woman. This may one of the reasons Jesus calls Himself THE SON OF MAN (the new Adam) As for Mary, Jesus never calls her by name (Gospel of John 2:4 Woman, of what concern is this..., 19:26 Woman, this is your son (He refers to John the Apostle, not to Himself). Woman is Eve (old or new).

I think we should put a 'The' in front of the name. It makes it more definitive. "Mother" could be anyone. The Mother is this character. Josh holloways wooden acting 00:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Self Appointed?

Can we assume she is self appointed? she easily could have been the successor to someone else...--Xocgx 13:09, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Category for unnamed characters

Should there be one for characters like this one? FaythOfFenrir 16:34, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

  • Interesting idea, but there are dozens and dozens of unnamed characters. The list might reach the point of diminishing value.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 18:36, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
    • I was more thinking characters that we don't know their names and are plot significant. FaythOfFenrir 18:46, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
      • I'd be in favour if it was for all unnamed characters. Who is and isn't "plot significant" is debatable. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:59, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
        • All would be best, actually. Should I make the category page? FaythOfFenrir 18:25, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
          • Category name would be "Unnamed Characters". Does that work? FaythOfFenrir 18:29, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

3 appearances?

I guess this includes her skeleton in House of the Rising Sun and Lighthouse, but...should we really count these? (Roger Linus' page also seems to include Tricia Tanaka is Dead because of his skeleton, but that's also weird.) Is there any official policy on that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andris22 (talkcontribs) 2010-05-12T13:53:50.

Yes it should be three, the policy regarding appearances is corpses do count and it is her corpse. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  19:01, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pictogram voting support Now that the skeleton has an active character tied to it, I say yes based on principles of narrative theory. The skeleton was her in those two other instances, and it had a role in the plot that has been further illuminated. I say that this character has made 3 episode appearances, two of them as a corpse. As a supporting example, would you not think of Yorick as a character when Hamlet is talking to his skull? The character may have been portrayed by a prop, but he was still a personality who had an important role in the narrative. Erielhonan 19:09, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Excellent point. By the by, Yorick has occasionally been played by a real skull, not just a prop. —Josiah Rowe 06:58, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Translation

Does anyone have a translation of what she was saying while she poured the wine into the cup that she gave to Jacob? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Onelostfanpaul (talkcontribs) 2010-05-16T11:52:33.

See Talk:Across the Sea. And please sign your messages.  Robert K S   tell me  20:50, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Casting call

What was this characters' name in the casting call? Just "mother"? --

--   Blackout    talk    contribs    email   23:50, June 4, 2010 (UTC) 23:45, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think there was one. The part was written for Allison Janney. --LeoChris 00:05, June 5, 2010 (UTC)