Talk:Mikhail Bakunin
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Contents 1 Unclear if he died 2 Mikhail's Multpile Deaths 3 Mikhail Part 2 4 Why listed as dead? 5 Mikhail Part 3 6 wounded 7 underwater blast injuries 8 Confirmed Dead? 9 Either they both come or they both go 10 ??? 11 Why the grenade, Mikhail? 12 His Birthday 13 recruited by jacob? 14 WTH!!!?? 15 Language 16 Why go outside?

Unclear if he died Edit

Considering that Mikhail is a bit... immortal... I changed the article to reflect the uncertainty about his death. --Jambalaya 12:07, 25 May 2007 (PDT)

Mikhail's Multpile Deaths Edit

It looks as if the single eye that appears in the window of Jacob's cabin when Hurley looks in is the eye of Mikhail. (unsigned)

No. Its not. Its Jacob. Dharmatel4 18:36, 2 February 2008 (PST)

As we all know, Mikhail seems... imortal, but has anyone everthought why?

In the episode, "Par Avion," Locke pushes Mikhail through the sonic bernar, and it appears that he's dead. Personaly I think he was dead. If I remembed correctly, Ben says the island does strnge things, and the island choses who to heal...

Perhaps Mikhail truely did die, and then the island healed him. Another way to back up this theory is when Desmod shot Mikhail IN THE HEART WITH A SPEAR GUN, which would have killed him. However, like thirty minutes later he's no longer in "The Loookin Glass," and he's outside the station's window, holds a gernade to the window, and blows the window up... and probably himself. Perhaps the island will once again heal him and maybe we'll see him in season 4.

I hope that I solved the mystery to why he seems imortal. If anyone agrees or disagrees, feel free to comment back because I'd like to know other peoples ideas.

Posted by lostpedia member Marko14126

• I'm sorry, but I would consider it a little difficult for anything, no matter how special it's powers, to put together a man who just blew himself to bits. I, for one, would consider it a bit of a jip if he does come back from the dead again. I've been a fan of Mikhail, but he only worked for me in a guest role anyways. Divoff does a great job as him, but I doubt they'll be able to reduce the character and the series to "Hey, this dude can't die, so why the hell isn't he leading the others instead of Ben and be the main character of the show!" Plus, it'd nullify any benefits that came out of the whole Charlie dying thing, thus kinda taking away from the heroism of his death.--MightyRearranger 02:53, 29 May 2007 (PDT)

• • Maybe Mikhail isn't leading the Others because he is waiting for the opportune moment. As far as we know, even Ben is not aware of Mikhail's powers, because he presumed that he had died in the sonic fence. I feel that Mikhail will return in the fourth season because the producers wouldn't have him live that long just to die because of a grenade.(Myscrnnm 13:22, 30 May 2007 (PDT))

Mikhail Part 2 Edit

I thank you for your comment, MightyRearrange. The idea of Mikhail coming back to life after holding a gernade came up, however i do agree that the chances of him still being alive are very, very low.

If the producers have kept Mikhail around for this long, I don't think his demise will simply be a grenade. Even by the standards of fantasy, Mikhail is a very powerful man.(Myscrnnm 20:14, 29 May 2007 (PDT))

I just posted this comment giving my personal thought about Mikhail because it is as if he can't die. For example like i mentioned, he was pushed through a sonic barrier, which should of killed him. Then, he is shot IN THE HEART by a spear gun, and lives. He then blows himself up infront of the lookinh glass window where the communication device is. I am just amazed at Mihkails character because it is as if his character can't die because the first two ways of hoe "he died," should have killed him off. It amazes me that he wasn't wearing his swim gear when he was shot in the heart, and then when we see him again out side The Looking Glass station, there he is in his full scuba uniform

Mikhail character, I would have to say, is indeed a mystery to us and his fate will hopefuly be explained in season 4 if he died or not...

I would enjoy if some posted a comment for my post because I enjoy reading peoples personal ideas. Thanx!

- Posted by lostpedia member Marko14126

Don't get me wrong I LOVE Mikhail. Andrew Divoff was perfect to play him. I hope that he is around for season 4 and that the next fight he's in, he wins. But if something extreme (ex: thrown through a sonic fence, setting off a grenade near himself) happens again, he should die. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 19:13, 29 May 2007 (PDT)

Maybe he'll survive the grenade, only to be eatenby the DHARMA shark :D --MightyRearranger 03:18, 30 May 2007 (PDT)

Why listed as dead? Edit

As at the end of season 3 there is no evidence that he is dead, in fact the last we saw of him he was alive. He should either be moved back to the living Others category or we need a new "status unknown" category. --ukexpat 11:26, 30 May 2007 (PDT)

• There's already an unknown status for tailies taken by the others and I believe for Jacob himself, I don't see why this can't be done for Mikhail as well--MightyRearranger 11:56, 30 May 2007 (PDT)
  • Maybe we should replace the line in the infobox about status and replace it with the Weasley family clock. Mikhail's pointer could be constantly pointing towards "In mortal peril". --Jackdavinci 00:20, 31 May 2007 (PDT)
    • That's HILARIOUS!Sithboy 16:01, 5 June 2007 (PDT)
• I agree, as he was shown before the grenade blew, he could of got out of the way before it exploded, when it exploded, it actually showed nothing behind the window at the time of the explosion.--Nzoomed 04:16, 20 May 2008 (PDT)
  • TPTB have confirmed his death, that's why. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  05:05, 20 May 2008 (PDT)
    • Ok, thats good, that way we know for sure.--Nzoomed 01:10, 22 May 2008 (PDT)

Mikhail Part 3 Edit

Hello again. You guys are porbably all sick of me, but oh well. I had just though of something very interesting about our friend, Mikhail.

I won't need to go through what i typed for my previous comments, however it is still possible that Mikhail is indeed alive.

I stil think that the chances of Mikhail being alive after blowing himself up with the gernade are low. However, the island is a very strnage place. It is possible that Mikhail is one of those people that the island choses to heal. However, the DHARMA stuff is very strange.

It is possible that Mihkail survide because all the DHARMA stuff if very wierd, and they are designed, and work differently then what works in the outside world. Or, perhaps this has nothing to do with DHARMA stuff, and the island choses to heal him, i think personally for the third time.

I just think that Mikhail's character was pretty cool, and he was only used as a guest star other. I think that it would really suck if Mikhail's character's only perpose was to be a red shirt in the show.

I once agian would like if someone posted their own personal opion because as you guess know I enjoy reading other people's personal thoughts. Thanks again.

Markus the Carkess 17:31, 30 May 2007 (PDT)Marko14126

• Something else I just wondered. Remember when Mikhail came back from the sonic fence and theories abounded that he was a manifestation of the monster, as Yemi was? Perhaps this is still a possibility, and the monster was helping Charlie realize his fate, because it or the island is very likely responsible for putting the flashes in Desmond's head in the first place. Just a longshot of speculation, but it's there...--MightyRearranger 02:55, 31 May 2007 (PDT)

• Mikhail should be listed as deceased, simply because he is most certainly gone. Although the Island may have been able to heal him, it cannot reconstruct his body as after it has been disfigured. The fact that we saw what was under the eye-patch was a perfect representation of this. The Island most likely caused the skin to grow over where his eye was -- even if he lost it before coming to the Island -- but it didn't bring his eye back. So if he lost his arm, or more likely, half of his torso, the Island cannot give that back to him. So unless he is some kind of manifestation of the security system or Jacob, then he could not have survived. Other important points to make are that this is the fourth time he has "died" and that, if I remember correctly, he was the thirteenth of fifteen people to die in the episode. Why would the writers screw up such good number connections just to bring back a red-shirt? Mikhail was a very interesting character and I liked him a lot, but we have to face the fact that he is dead -- or that the writers are about to make their biggest mistake since, well since they made "Through the Looking Glass" a supposed flash-forward. Basically, if they bring back Mikhail, then they might as well have Desmond save Charlie with the scuba gear and convince Eko to join the cast again. While they're at it they can have the "monster" crap out Libby, Shannon, Nikki, Paulo, Ana-Lucia, Boone, and Ethan as well. Hell, maybe they'll show Joanna as Jacob, Juliet, or Aaron's real mother.--User:Sawyer540/sig 1:23 in the freakin' morning PDT.

wounded Edit

shouldnt his status be changed to wounded. one can assume that when a grenade explodes in ones hand you would be seriously wounded.--Connor401 05:50, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

We could, and then someone would be like 'how wounded' 'hey, we should put he's lost at least a few fingers.' 'you know, I really can't see how anyone could survive that, period' Uncertain is good. Dead, alive, mortally wounded, missing an arm, made of terminator-metal, 'uncertain' takes care of all that.--Requiem 07:13, 9 June 2007 (PDT)

It should be noted that (very sadly, as he is one of my favourite characters), at the ComicCon 2007 it was stated that mikhail perished when he set off the grenade. *sob* Mia 22:59, 7 August 2007 (PDT)

underwater blast injuries Edit

The effect and injuries associated with an explosion underwater are not the same as those on the surface. See [1] for details. Dharmatel4 13:50, 19 June 2007 (PDT)

• The underwater effect is more harmful, because the shockwave can't dissapate as easily. I think it says something along those lines in your source, under the "physics" section. User:Sawyer540 15:28 June 2007 (PDT)

Its more harmful, but also harmful in a very different way. The shockwave can do significantly bad things to the systems of the body, but its not necessarly going to do as much visible damage. Dharmatel4 18:31, 19 June 2007 (PDT)

Confirmed Dead? Edit

Just been listening to the podcast of the Comic-Con Q&A session. Sounded to me that the guys confirmed that Mikhail was dead. --ukexpat 14:15, 3 August 2007 (PDT)

Yes, I think they did, they also mentioned something about Isabel being dead didn't they?--Baker1000 15:30, 3 August 2007 (PDT)

Is there some chance they meant Naomi, but slipped? Robert K S 01:18, 4 August 2007 (PDT)

Why would they be talking about Naomi when the topic was Others that were killed? I think people are just in denial because they were fans of the characters. He is confirmed dead. Paulus2 13:00, 7 August 2007 (GMT)

Well these things aren't written in stone y'know. Mia 23:00, 7 August 2007 (PDT)

Because we never saw Isabel die; it just doesn't make sense that she's dead, unless she went and had a heart attack while trudging to the Temple. Robert K S 23:19, 7 August 2007 (PDT)

What they are actually saying indirectly is that they have no intention to bring her back or have her play a part in future (present) storylines. The idea at the end of last season seems to have been to clear out any of the others who who were "dangerous". So anyone who can fight or fire a gun compentently can be assumed to be dead. Its a shame because at this point most of the Others in terms of characters and backstory were more interesting than the main cast. Dharmatel4 11:35, 8 August 2007 (PDT)

Isabel was one of the several unseen Others who were killed during the beach attack. She is, sadly, dead. -Silence 23:27, 7 August 2007 (PDT)

She never struck me as a member of the assault strike force elite. If she's dead as a member of the beach attack party, her character was probably part of some larger plan that will now no longer be fulfilled for one reason or another (actress unavailability, change in plot plan...). Robert K S 23:31, 8 August 2007 (PDT)

I think Silence was joking >.>--Baker1000 04:07, 9 August 2007 (PDT)

Actually I heard/read the same thing somewhere. It struck me as very strange, too. Either they invented her character just for the one episode she was in, or they had more planned for her but were unable to follow it through for one reason or another (but they're usually pretty open about issues like that, i.e. Nikki & Paulo). Either way: odd. Jacob's Lather 06:31, 20 May 2008 (PDT)

Either they both come or they both go Edit

I've began to hear rumors that they might brink Charlie back... to life. This would be kindda cool because I liked him as a character, however this might seem unfair. As we have seem Mikhail came back from the dead 3 times, therefor I would think that if they were to bring one of the two back it would be more likely to bring Mikhail back rather than Charlie. However this would be unfair to Dominic Monaghan's character becuse he's been on the show longer than Andrew Divoff. Therefor my argument points out that bothof their characters should either die together or live together.

- Marko14126

Unfortunatley, rumours do not nessecitate fact. I am glad that Mikhail is FINALLY dead once and for all. As for Charlie, why would you want him back? You know that he would only die once again in a later episode. And even though some people dispute his COD (cause of death) I for one am happy his death was a heroic one (saving Desmonds life and restoring communications to the island).--Countdown 15:49, 1 December 2007 (PST)

He hasn't died and been resurrected 3 times, he's only died three times including his final death. 16:07, 28 February 2008 (PST)

 ??? Edit

Am I the only person that cannot see the brilliance n this character?  Bringlibbyandcharlieback  Talk   Contribs 13:05, 6 July 2008 (PDT)

I think so. He is an awesome character. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 13:07, 6 July 2008 (PDT)

There's just something about him that made him so great... guess you cannae beat a Russian bad guy from time to time. --Stug 01:59, 8 July 2008 (PDT)

He was great. I hope we see him again somehow. --     [Talk] 02:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Why the grenade, Mikhail? Edit

Anyone wondering WHY Mikhail would sacrifice his life in order to detonate a hand-grenade outside a small porthole in the Looking Glass? The only "damage" this did was to kill Charlie -- and this was as much Charlie's doing as anyone's. Think about it. If Charlie were not convinced that his death was essential to Claire's and Aaron's rescue, what's to stop him and Desmond from simply making a beeline for the moonpool and swimming to the surface? In fact, given the largeness of the Looking Glass and the smallness of the busted porthole -- and the slowness with which the radio-room filled after Charlie locked himself in it -- wouldn't Charlie and Desmond together have a pretty fair chance of sealing up the radio-room with both of them safely outside it? After all, Jack and Juliet together managed to close the door in the Hydra station that Jack had opened up to the sea. In fact, if Charlie had not been bent on dying, what's to stop him from exiting the radio-room before closing the door when Mikhail first reveals the hand-grenade? So, again, from Mikhail's perspective, where is the "up side" in this act of self-sacrifice? (And, in case you're wondering ... I am not offering this as reason for supposing Mikhail did not die as a result. Lindelof says he's dead; so he's dead. Canon. I'm merely pointing out an oddity in the story.) WeeBeestee 17:50, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

His BirthdayEdit

• I was looking for evidence in the storyline, talksections and transcripts, that tells us the birthday is 1969. I found nothing. So his and Nadias Birthday must be 12, November 1961. Correct me if I am wrong. Namaste --    18:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I was waiting, because I thought maybe I oversaw something. But it seems not the case, so I'm gonna change it from 1969 to 1961, the real date of Nadias Birthday. Namaste! --    19:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• The real Mikhail Bakunin (Russian anarchist 1814-1876) who he is named after, was born May 30th, the same day John Locke was born. Could this be significant or just coincidence? - rockingrobot feb.6.09

recruited by jacob? Edit

This article mentions that he was recruited by a "magnificent man" and it is linked to Jacob - what evidence is there that Jacob recruited him? the "would you like to save the world" bit sounds very dharma-like, but I don't see how we can assume that Jacob recruited him - maybe I missed something from later, but a source here would be nice.  superwesman   talk   blog   contributions  01:18, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

WTH!!!?? Edit

Mamma mia! Mikhail does NOT look 35!!!! Julietfan2626 Talk Blogs

Language Edit

When did Mikhail speak Italian?--Makarov29 11:18, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

PARACHUTIST: [Speaks Italian - "Help me, I'm dying."]

DESMOND: You understand her.

MIKHAIL: She's speaking Italian. She said she's dying, she needs help. I was a Soviet Army field medic, I can offer you my services. ("D.O.C.")

He never speaks it, but he understands Naomi when she speaks Italian.--Baker1000 17:42, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Why go outside? Edit

Why did Mikhail, with a harpoon in his chest, when Desmond was on the other side of the room, put on a set of scuba gear, swim outside only to blow a grenade up in his hand? Would it not have been much simpler, less time consuming and safer just to throw the grenade into the room Charlie was in? That would make the attack not only more effective but also safer for himself? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oni Dark Link (talk • contribs) .

You're asking the wrong question, not why, how? Anyway, I guess he wanted to go out with a ka-boom? Really there are so many things which happened that wouldn't have happened in real life in Charlie's death scene I guess this is just another one. Mikhail knew he was a goner, so instead of bleeding to death he blew his face off. At the end of the day, you could say things were just supposed to happen the way they did, Charlie was supposed to drown, and he needed to sacrifice himself instead of someone just killing him. It wouldn't have been such a good scene otherwise, of course. Plus, if Mikhail hadn't done what he did, that whole slow motion bit when he turns to shut the door (and the music!) would never have happened. And that, that would have been a terrible shame.--Baker1000 23:58, August 5, 2011 (UTC)