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Where is Michael?

Probably is not being held by The Others, as implied by Zeke's comment in The Hunting Party: "Don't worry about Michael. He's not gonna find us." Which leads us to the question, where is he and what's happened to him, is he dead, any ideas? Morrison

I know this is an old post, just clearing it up. Zeke lied they had already captured Michael.--CaptainInsano

Conversation with Walt on the computer : Problems

Can we be sure that it was in fact Walt on the other end, it seems strange that "Walt" asked him are you alone? when really it would make no difference to Walt if Michael were alone or not. Furthermore the last line we see from "Walt" is "you have to com......" We dont know for sure that the last word is "come" it could be anything as his arm obscured the rest of the monitor. My guess is it was one of the others setting a trap for Michael, or perhaps someone else on the intranet thingy. - Morrison

  • Don't forget that Walt did not know about the computer in the hatch. If it really is Walt, and he found his Michael online, he may have assumed that Michael was being held by the Others too. That may be why he asked if he was alone. --Uth 09:10, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

When Walt is telling Michael where to go - "when they take me out, there's huge rocks with a big HOLE in the middle by the beach" - why would 'HOLE' be in all caps? Anyone have any ideas? -Poole

Maybe he want to make sure Michael won't think he meant "whole" rock. Or maybe he was calling Michael an ass-hole for letting him be kiddnapped. I, personally, believe that Walt wasn't the one on the other end of the conversation.--CaptainInsano

The creators I think said that it was Walt on the other end.--AaronPaige

Michael the Wildcard

After disappearing much of the middle of season two, Michael became a wildcard. We as an audience are currently completely in the dark what he has experienced. It's very plausible that not only was Michael purposefully freeing the faux Henry Gale, but also purposefully killed two people he thought deserved dying. There is quite simply no way of knowing just how much he knows not only about the Others but also about our Fuselagers and Tailenders. He may have complete understanding now how all the characters tie in with one another, and know things about Ana & Lilly that we don't yet know. Ultimately, his only known motivation for doing anything is his boy. Whatever his actions, we'll discover it all returns to his motivation. HOWEVER, we also have to take into consideration that his son has been irrevocably taken from him, or that something even greater than his love for Walt is now driving him. ZachsMind 07:43, 4 May 2006 (PDT)

Michael's motives are of course to be questioned now. To my eyes he killed Ana because she was a threat to his plan. Libby was an accident, reflex but necessary. Freeing Gale was his mission all along, possibly completely setup with this conclusion in mind. His self inflicted wounding is to cover for his actions so he can remain in the group without suspicion.

It was pointedly shown where he shot the 2 girls for a reason i think. Ana has to be dead, I think, and Libby's survival will be an on going threat to him.. i am thinking Libby will be gravely ill and reveal who shot her to Jack or Hurley just before she expires. It would be nice if she put Hurley out of his misery too (or adds to it) by telling him where he knows her from and why she didn't tell him.. if indeed she does remember. --MRNasher

I think the Henry Gale/Ana-Lucia stranglation scene early on was there to establish that the Others want her dead for killing them. This may have been part of Michael's mission, in addition to freeing Gale. I don't think she was a personal threat to him. I think Libby was an accident, but now if she survives, it will be interesting to see what happens. Even if she does tell the truth, it's her word against Michael. What are they more likely to believe? That Gale did it, or Michael did it? --Uth 08:25, 4 May 2006 (PDT)

I think Ana's threat to Michael is in knowing he freed Gale.. if thats is his plan.. he could hardly let Gale out without Ana smelling/seeing a rat. Right now when the others return it will look like Gale escaped, killing Ana and Libby and wounding Michael.

I am becoming sure that in the last episode of this season Michael's going to sell them all out.. and possibly die doing so or just after changing his mind.

Also on a rewatching.. i noted that he seems to build himself up to killing Ana.. like hes making a choice at that moment... but on killing Libby he seems more horrified. its almost as if he had justified shooting Ana in his own mind, knowing what she is capable of. Possibly he was willing to kill someone like Ana for his son, but killing an innocent like Libby is stretching it for him.

--MRNasher

  • I don't think he was simply deciding whether or not to kill Ana, I think he was sitting in judgement of her. Remember when "Henry" mentioned that Godwin thought Ana could be redeemed? Michael didn't kill Ana once he had the gun, he killed her once she had given him the combination, which was all he needed in addition to the gun (which he already had at that point) in order to kill "Henry" for her. Of course, if he was simply trying to release "Henry", he couldn't very well have done so without the combination. Either way, I definitely got the impression that he was allowing her actions to determine whether or he was going to kill her. -- C13 07:58, 7 May 2006 (PDT)

I've had a few thoughts... 1) What if Michael was just trying to get everybody all riled up about the others? If Henry Gale shot three people (and killed at least one), the survivors would be a lot more determined to attack. Also 2) Has anyone noticed the similarities between the three survivors who have been shot? They are Shannon, Libby and Ana Lucia. Shannon had just begun her shiny new relationship with Sayid, Libby has been getting cozy with Hurley, and Ana Lucia just had a bit of fun with Sawyer. Perhaps love is irreconcilable with life on the island (at least for the women)? Rose and Sun are exempt because their love already existed. Kate hasn't committed to Jack or Sawyer, but what happens when she does? Also, one more theory, 3) What if the writers are emulating Alvar Hanso (or Him?) Henry Gale said that He doesn't forgive easily. A couple of months ago, the actresses that played Libby and Ana Lucia were both caught with DUIs. Perhaps the writers were being unforgiving... --Charugan 16:59, 4 May 2006 (PDT)

  • Regarding your 3): It's already been covered a in a couple of reports that the DUI arrests were unrelated to having Ana and Libby shot. Michelle Rodriguez said on Good Morning America the day after the show aired that Ana had been fated to be killed from the beginning. She also mentioned that she felt bad because she couldn't even tell her fellow cast members. -- C13 08:04, 7 May 2006 (PDT)

Regarding the end of the season 2 Finale...Michael looks at Jack, as he pulls away from the dock in the boat. Then, Jack gives a look to Kate just before they are "bagged." Could it be that once Michael was 'outed' in the woods they came up with an alternate plan. It seems that Sayid even saw this possibility, hence the smoke (it was not to just signal that the beach was clear but it also served to show the party of five where they were in relation to the beach). So, the questions are definately raised, "Why would Michael leave the island with only his son?" and "Will Michael return to camp with the boat to meet up with Sayid?"Jumptronic 09:40, 25 May 2006 (PDT)\\

Isn't It Ironic?

When Michael went to give water to a captive Sayid in "Collision" and Ana-Lucia threatens him, he asks her if she's going to shoot and kill him for it. In "Two for the Road" it's Michael who shoots and kills Ana-Lucia. Both episodes were Ana-Lucia centric.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jclinard (talk • contribs) .

Don't you think? A little too ironic, I really do think (damn you, Alanis!) Sceptre 07:16, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

rofl Four4elements 19:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Michael and Desmond

Did Michael really meet Desmond? The page on Michael says "Met Desmond Cook when he was looking for Walt; Desmond was on his way to The Flame after fleeing The Swan" But this didn't happen in any of the episodes... Help? Mr.c 09:31, 9 May 2006 (PDT)mr.c

Who's Desmond Cook? Des's last name is Hume. WCFrancis 12:52, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
this is an unconfirmed spoiler, and shouldn't be here yet, if at all. i'm deleting it. ---kaini 09:47, 9 May 2006 (PDT)

thanks from the bottom of my heart, there are people discussing stopping visiting altogether because of spoilers. i feel like creating a spoiler/speculation police. but now I see it's not yet necesary. †††GodEmperorOfHell††† --09:55, 9 May 2006 (PDT)

No spoilers? I'd discuss stopping visiting altogether if I find there's no chance of finding spoilers here. I'm tired of people who pose as spoiler/spec police. If you don't want spoilage, get off the 'net. =P ZachsMind 11:47, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
I agree 100%... The first thing you see on the Main Page is the spoiler warning, on any page that has potential spoilers, there's a bright freaking red box that warns of potential spoilers. If I didnt want to be spoiled, I'd get my series info at abc.com, not here... Nickvd 14:03, 23 May 2006 (PDT)
sadly, this piece of the talk page is a spoiler in itself :( --kaini 10:14, 9 May 2006 (PDT)
it is confusing sometimes when a spoiler is written and I think that I missed an episode or missed something in a episode. People should at least cite the episode/future episode or source. --Techiedavid 10:22, 9 May 2006 (PDT)
imo, NOTHING that occurs past the current us air date should be posted here. it's ruining the show for some people. i've found out a whole bunch of stuff that i didn't want to. --kaini 10:30, 9 May 2006 (PDT)
Interestingly enough... the "spoiler" was complete BS...--Isotope23 07:29, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
It could still show up in the finale. --Ernest 08:38, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
It could; I'd be willing to bet it won't though... only because this is the only place I've seen that mentioned.--Isotope23 11:51, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

Is Michael Sick?

In the closing scenes of Live Together, Die Alone, Michael appears to have spots on his right arm and forehead. This doesn't seem to be from an injury, so it could be a result of The Sickness. If The Sickness discriminates between "good" and "bad" people, Michael's recent killing of Lizzy and Ana Lucia, particularly Lizzy, may have triggered symptoms.

--Matt Austin 21:44, 1 August 2006 (PDT)

It's probably just dirt or mud. --Phmall 21:52, 1 August 2006 (PDT)
He hasn't taken a shower (that we know of) for 66 days or something like that what do you except.--CaptainInsano
Well I expect fanatics of Lost to pick up on the fact he said Lizzy instead of Libby =P -- Exxy 21:58. 14 August 3007 (UTC)

Appearences

Shouldn't the Season 3 line be crossed out? and Season 4 open? (in the character infobox at the bottom)--Lewis-Talk-Contribs 16:14, 5 September 2007 (PDT)

  • Yeah, I just noticed that too. The infobox in the edit window shows: S1=Yes, S2=Yes, S3=No, S4=Yes, but in the actual article it's reversed for S3 and S4. Btw, this chart shows that Michael was in an on-island flashback in Exposé. Is that true? I don't remember seeing him in those post-crash flashback scenes. And even if he was, does that count for an "appearance" in the season? What are the rules for what determines an "appearance"? I would argue that if it's archive footage that we've already seen, it doesn't count. -- Graft   talk   contributions  17:02, 16 September 2007 (PDT)
  • Yes, the thing is correct. Since he has not appeared in Season 4 yet it is crossed and since he DID appear in Season 3 is not crossed. Clicking the links brings you directly to the row for that character in that season. Michael was seen in an on-island FB and that is what he is credited for on the chart. It is correct. -Mr.Leaf 17:18, 16 September 2007 (PDT)
  • Ok, I needed to convince myself, so I went through Exposé last night and Michael definitely does not appear. In the "live together, die alone" speech flashback they edited around him, cut out bits from the scene, and put in new shots of Nikki, Paulo, Arzt, etc. I'll go to the Character appearances page and edit the season 3 chart. Meanwhile, the appearances part of the infobox for this article is still messed up somehow, in that information in the edit window doesn't correlate with what is seen in the article. -- Graft   talk   contributions  16:17, 17 September 2007 (PDT)

As of today (March 25, 2008) all of his appearances are crossed out, not just S3 ... does anyone know how to fix? --Jeff 18:51, 25 March 2008 (PDT)

Promotional Picture

Should we be using the S4 Michael picture for this thread? It pretty much says that he's going to be in the new season. I suggest we use a season 2 picture until this information is no longer spoiler material. --Malion 23:51, 27 December 2--7 (EST)

It was officially announced several months ago, and he's in the mobisodes. I don't think that's a spoiler anymore. It just says he a regular castmember again. --Hunter61 22:19, 27 December 2007 (PST)
As far as I'm concerned, it's still a spoiler until we literally se him on TV when the episode airs. Otherwise, why would the Orchid be considered a spoiler? --Malion 14:58, 28 December 2007 (EST)
I don't think it counts as a spoiler any more, hence why I added the picture and changed the page. --J-- 06:24, 30 December 2007 (PST)
Well Ben does have a man on the 'boat'.. which can only be reached by travelling on a certain bearing.. just saying is all --Nasher 08:27, 16 February 2008 (PST)
INDEED. Michael is almost certainly Ben's 'man on the boat.' Who else could it be?? Ben told Locke he ought to be sitting down; therefore, the 'man on the boat' is someone Locke knew. And who else could it be? I can't think of any former cast members besides Michael (and of course Walt) who didn't DIE. IT COULD ONLY BE MICHAEL. And truth be told, I don't think he's with Walt anymore. I think those evil bastards are continuing to use Walt to play Michael like a pawn. Just MHO.C.m. 08:53, 7 March 2008 (PST)

Michael on the Freighter?

Ben has an inside man so amazing he asks Locke to sit down. Probably because he knows the person. This could easily make it Michael. I can see that his deal let's him and Walt off the island as long as he does this for Ben. --Nischwartz 16:04, 7 March 2008 (PST)

Michael and Desmond Part Deux

Should Demsond actually recognize Michael? Did the two ever meet?--Nevermore 11:54, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

I don't believe so. He took off from the Hatch before meeting Michael, and returned after Michael was already gone with Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley. The-room 21:45, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
Thats not true, he was on his yaught when sawyer, jack and sayid swam on it and found him, after this i assume he lived in the camp, so how did he never meet Michael. I also didn't think that they had met, but now I'm confused. --Hexhunter 04:58, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
Ok, I have checked at this page and it turns out that they may have been in the same place at the same time. It shows that on Day 65, Desmond was found and most likely brought to the beach. Michael didn't leave on his mission until Day 66. I now know that Michael was at the funeral. So I can't be sure, but it seems as though they should have met. I'll have to do a little more research. --Hexhunter 05:30, 16 March 2008 (PDT)
The two never met on camera, however, in Live Together, Die Alone, the two were both at the beach camp for a while, and it is likely they would have at least seen each other. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 03:43, 17 March 2008 (PDT)
Remember this is 1996 Desmond now so he doesn't know anybody except for Sayid.--Citizen 13:41, 17 March 2008 (PDT)
He is better now. He remembers everything.--Baker1000 13:54, 17 March 2008 (PDT)
As far as I recall, Sayid never introduced himself to "1996 Desmond" by name, so when Desmond calls him "Sayid" at the end of "The Constant", this is supposed to indicate that he regained his memory.--Nevermore 10:07, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

Michael's timeline in "Meet Kevin Johnson"

Michael leaves the Island on day 67. Somehow he makes it to New York City in record time, gets himself a new identity, leaves Walt (also with a new identity) with his mother, tries to kill himself, gets hospitalized, recovers, leaves the hospital (apparently he's not suspected of having committed a suicide attempt), buys a gun, encounters Tom, tries to shoot himself, learns of the discovery of Oceanic Flight 815, pays Tom a visit, takes a trip to Fiji, gets a job on the freighter... and makes it to somewhere near the island in time for Naomi to crash there on day 87. Now that's one terribly convoluted timeline for sure.--Nevermore 10:15, 22 March 2008 (PDT)

Time is different on the island. Did you see the Christmas tree behind Libby?Decboy
And somehow it's still December 24 on the freighter in "The Constant"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Christmas trees aren't usually just put up on Christmas Eve.--Nevermore 16:46, 22 March 2008 (PDT)
I mean in the hospital, idiot!--Decboy
Are we taking a disagreement a little personal here?--Nevermore 16:00, 24 March 2008 (PDT)

I don't really see any timeline problem here, it's 20 days, nearly 3 weeks, that's plenty of time for all those things to have happened (well, maybe not PLENTY, it is a little tight). The only one that might take up a lot of time is his car crash recovery, and that can easily be explained as taking less time than expected because A) people can walk away from even serious crashes with only minor injuries, and B) if the Island has enough influence to keep Michael from killing himself, then it can certainly still be imparting its healing powers on him. Sithboy 14:13, 26 March 2008 (PDT)

Michael's birthday

This page was edited on May 12, 2007 adding Michael's age and date of birth however there has been no mention of it on the show. Does anyone know where this information came from? For now I'm going to remove that info as I'm 99% sure it's never mentioned in the show. The edits in question can be found here and here Congested 20:31, 24 March 2008 (PDT)

Don't know, but it's not the same birthdate as the one found on Michael's passport. Robert K S (talk) 20:33, 24 March 2008 (PDT)
Right, I've removed it as the passport was not "Michael's" and can't really be considered his official birthday. Thanks for getting back to me on this though Robert :) For those just reading this I'm not talking about Michael's passport, I'm talking about an edit someone made in May 2007 ;) Congested 21:01, 24 March 2008 (PDT)

I added Michael's birthday to his page on May 12, 2007 when I read it in a hi-def screen cap of his custody papers. Don't remember what episode it was in but it was either season 1 or 2. You should double check it and then put it back on the page if it was correct. --Mrmagic522 22:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Michael's father

Removed this from UA as it's not likely to be answered in the show, and it's a trival matter anyway as there's been no storyline concerning a father. It's just another one of those questions that could follow on forever (does he have any sisters, brothers, third cousins twice removed, who was his gym teacher, etc., etc.); unless it later figures into the canon somehow, it shouldn't be in there. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 04:19, 25 March 2008 (PDT)


Michael's Return

Pretty short lived wasn't it?? Couldn't they have introduced him earlier on in the season, maybe accompanying Keamy or something? He appeared in hardly any episodes... Definitely not enough to warrant him being a main character in this season! His death wasn't as dramatic as it would've been if we'd reinvested some more time in him too.User:01lander/sig

He came back to repent for his sins, and I think in general he did a pretty good job.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  07:42, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
He probably got short changed like the freighters because of the writers strike... I thought his centric episode was good, but he didn't really do much, only interacting with a couple of characters, only 1 he knew prior to this season for the majority of his screen time! User:01lander/sig
Definitely a waste of the character and actor. The reveal was one of LOST's most undewhelming surprises ever, then he doesn't really get to do anything. The actor is pretty pissed about it too, there's a new interview with him where he says he didn't know he was going to get killed off so fast and it seemed like a waste: [1]. --Minderbinder 12:24, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
I totally agree it was a waste, and the worst character story I have seen on Lost. They seem to have brought Michael back with the intention of getting rid of him as quickly as possible, without giving a satisfying ending to his story. We never get to see him talking to Walt after they are reunited. We never get to see him meet again with the people he betrayed (Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley). We never even get to see him back on the island. After all the time we invested in to Michaels tragic story in the first two seasons, there is no pay off. In fact, many people were pleased to see him die because they think of him as evil, when really he was just a desperate character. I for one wanted to see him forgiven by Walt before he died and was much more interested in this than plots such as Desmond and Penny, two characters who weren't even in it from the start. Even if the writer's strike had to mean some things were cut, it shouldn't have been Michael's story. I'm not suprised Harold Perrineau is pissed, after 4 seasons I am too!

Answering to the two questions

1.No, it's immposible, and don't start telling me that the island could've saved him, Christian said he could "go now". Whether or not the island will bring him back in the future, he's dead for right now.
2.What do you mean "if" he is dead? Hurley obviously thinks he's dead, but he's not going to say that to Walt, probaly because if they're not returning to the island, he wants to give Walt the little bit of hope Michael's alive and well, would'nt you think?--Lostfan94 19:54, 4 June 2008 (PDT)

Without getting too far into theorizing, I think it's possible Michael is "alive" in the same sense that Christian Shephard is, and Hurley knows this because he can see dead people, and even the ghosts need protecting from Charles Widmore. Robert K S (talk) 20:23, 4 June 2008 (PDT)
He's dead, he's just dead now, alright? I believe it's possible for the island to bring him back, but for now, we should all be able to assume that he's dead.--Lostfan94 14:58, 9 June 2008 (PDT)

he could be alive.

yes before he died christian said he could leave but that doesnt mean hes not alive. I think michael will wake up laying on a piece of debries in season5.--kalebv 18:15, 2 June 2008 (PDT)

Without saying anything that could be construed as a spoiler, you might want to read this and this. Robert K S (talk) 20:35, 2 June 2008 (PDT)
Okay. You can leave means that he can finally die like he's been trying to. And he was standing right next to the C-4. There is no WAY he can be alive. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  20:41, 2 June 2008 (PDT)
Tom asked if the bullet bounced off his head. If the island doesn't want him to die, he could be alive. The TV Guide interviews are nice and all, but the actors frequently don't know what's going to happen to the characters. Michael returning is still possible.--FlyingArrow 11:51, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
I think they would have let Harold know if his character was dead or not. Dominic Monaghan has confirmed his character's death after Charlie drowned last season, and he really was dead. So the same should apply to Harold Perrineau. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  11:53, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
I think it's stupid how people think hes alive. He was standing right by a very big bomb which blew up a whole ship. He was standing right next to it. Nothing is left of him. --Ryan76el 12:29, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
No need for the name-calling, but the idea is unlikely. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  12:32, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
Actually, I think there is more reason to wonder about Michael's fate than there is to wonder about Jin's -- and so many folks seem to be wondering about Jin's. Christian Shephard's final direction to Michael, "You can go now," IS ambiguous. It could mean "You can die now," or it could mean "You can get out of harm's way now." Of course, getting out of harm's way would have to be accomplished by some mysterious means, since the freighter went kablooey only seconds after the direction was given; and a "supernatural" escape is surely possible if ol' Christian Shephard is around to help, right? But I say Michael is dead because if he's not, then the art of the show is too thoroughly diminished. For one thing, the first interpretation of Christian Shephard's direction is by far the more powerful. We've seen how Michael has been prevented from dying. Taking out the freighter was what he was needed for. Mission accomplished. Exit Michael. For another thing, brilliant and bold writers like Cuse and Lindelof would never employ a move so cheap as the season-ending FAKE-death of a character in whom the viewer is thoroughly emotionally invested. They might fake-death a character like Naomi to end a season, but not a character like Michael ... or Charlie ... or Jin. So long, Michael. I'll see you in another life, brother. WeeBeestee 10:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the island does'nt need him anymore. Why did Charlie miracuosly survive being hanged? So he could sacrifise himself for something important. The island keeps certain people alive who would normaly die in a situation they were in, so they could die for something important. Boone and Eko were sacrifises, and they were specifically kept alive by the island so they could die for something important. Other people like Shannon, were useless, so the island did'nt keep them alive, but it was'nt the island's fault that she died. Don't you get that?--Lostfan94 19:54, 4 June 2008 (PDT)

Is he alive? Is he NOT alive? Whatever is the reality, you should choose a version. At this moment, this page says that Michael's "Status" is "Unknown" but his "Date of death" is "30 december"... Choose! Simone85 12:54, 7 June 2008 (PDT)

  • But Michael is only physically dead. Which means he wont be a regular anymore, but that doesn't mean the show's quite done with him yet. Christian Shephard is dead but we still see him in every other episode. Maybe Micheal will become like him, pointing out, he was the last person Michael saw or spoke to, or perhaps he'll appear in a vision or dream of some sorts, like Boone and Charlie. Dead people on the show always find some way of comming back somehow. --James W. 20:41, 9 June 2008 (PDT)

If he got a new promotional picture for season 5, then there's a fairly good chance he is alive or will appear in visions. There was a short amount of time shown between him in the room with the bomb and the actual explosion. he could have ran far enough to live if he was a good swimmer. Mia 20:36, 4 September 2008 (PDT)

Mobisodes

Doesnt Juliet have most? Four4elements 19:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Unanswered question

I think "Why did Hurley tell Walt the Oceanic Six were lying to protect Michael if he is dead?" should be removed as an unanswered question as Hurley obviously just didn't want to upset Walt. -- Bringlibbyandcharlieback  Talk   Contribs 12:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

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