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TattooEdit

  • Can anyone get a full screenshot of his tattoo(s)? I'd like to put 'em out there for analyzing purposes.
    • Needs to have watermark removed.--LOSTinDC 05:51, 5 March 2008 (PST)
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It actually is a bird, the swallow --Rdavid01 14:32, 2 April 2008 (GMT +1)


From the article: "The tattoo on his right shoulder is similar to the company logo of Blackwater Worldwide, a PMC located in North Carolina."

  • I don't see any resemblance other than the insignifcant fact that both the logo and the tattoo look like a bear paw. I recommend removing the comment altogether since it doesn't seem to be relevant. --the JoshMeister 21:23, 1 May 2008 (PDT)
  • Notice also that the circle surrounding the both the Keamy claw and the Blackwater claw have compass-like markings at defined intervals. Considering he worked with a PMC, I think this is a pretty solid connection.--Overworkedirish 15:59, 2 May 2008 (PDT)

Keamy and HurleyEdit

when hurley was in the institution, talking to that guy that kept saying the numbers (4815162342), he asked the guy where he got the numbers and then he says "I got them from keamy. He earned them" THIS IS IMPORTANT

  • No, he said that he got them from Toomey. Keamy has nothing to do with the numbers as far as we know.--Lionofdharma 15:04, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

DrawingEdit

I couldn't get a screenshot of the entire left arm tattoo in one shot but I did get the entire tattoo in left and right sides of it. I couldn't join them digitally so I just drew it by hand with GIMP. It is not exact but probably close enough for now. I only use NTSC no HD, and the tattoo on the right arm is much more complex. I'm not going to attempt it by hand since it was too blurry on my system.


Tattoo TheConstant ByHand

alt a simple black ink tattoo on left shoulder

It looks to be some form of Minotaur and it also looks like it might hold some letters/numbers.

I hope this helps until something better turns up.--OolonColluphid 03:39, 4 March 2008 (PST)

This guy is a killer. I think he + Omar constituite some sort of death squad. And that is his function on the boat, and that he is very good at it.

This one looks like something that would be on the painted wall in the hatch. Also the other arm looks like a compass with the snake in the middle very faint and then looks like a polar bear claw. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ted4u8 (talkcontribs) 2008-04-24T22:41:40.

Don't read so much into it. The tattoo is actually the actor's. Supposedly it's a Native American symbol.--Faraday 01:38, 11 May 2008 (PDT)

It's interesting to point out that the same bird features prominently in the logo for the hardcore band the Warriors. Definitely not relevant, but interesting none the less. It can be seen in the image here: http://images.victoryrecords.com/products/VT347-TS.jpg Based upon the above, it sounds like the band drew it based on a similar symbol --TheTruffleShuffle 21:55, 29 May 2008 (PDT)

NameEdit

Are we sure this is how his name is spelled?? When I heard his name last night, I immediately thought of the mayan astrology sign CIMI, pronounced the same way. It means DEATH! And it's pretty apparent, this guy means death too.

This is how it's spelled in the press releases. Jimbo the tubby 12:03, 25 April 2008 (PDT)

His last name is odd enough that I thought I'd look for anagrams. The most interesting ones I found (for "Martin Keamy") were "aim my tanker" and "mean army kit". --Doc 12:45, 2 July 2008 (PDT)

Oh and "Karma Enmity" and "Mark Any Time" --Doc 12:47, 2 July 2008 (PDT)

Military backgroundEdit

Something doesn't add up in what Ben said about Keamy's military background. First Sergeant is an E8 rank in the US Marine Corps, typically not attained until around 18-20 years of service. There's no way he could have reached that rank in the time of 5 years; he'd barely be a Sergeant in most cases.

  • You are correct; the basic requirements are 8 years time-in-service, 4 years time-in-grade (previous rank). As a former Sergeant, I can attest that if Ben's info is correct, and I tend to believe it usually is, then Keamy was either a very exceptional or very elite solider. There are two possible explanations that can work around this. One, there is the possibility he could have been promoted under a meritorious commendation, meaning he did something amazing that warranted promotion outside the normal methods. There are no hard and fast rules, but it would have to be something incredibly noteworthy and newsworthy. Second, and the more likely, is that he was part of a special forces/black ops team, and as such, was subject to higher-profile missions and possibly a different set of promotion rules. Due to the sensitive and extremely dangerous nature of the missions, this would also open the door for the previously mentioned meritorious, but altogether secret, promotions.Kevrock 00:19, 6 May 2008 (PDT)

Alternatively, Ben could have meant that he served AS a First sergeant from 1996-2001, but that would imply in the neighborhood of 25 years of active-duty military service, followed by his 4 (ish) years of mercenary work between 2001 and the "present" of the show. Even if he theoretically got a waiver, this means that there's no way Keamy could be under 46 years old (17 years minimum enlistment age + 25 years in the military + 4 years as a mercenary). He doesn't look nearly that old, especially not since the casting information in the article describes him as late 20's-30's.

Perhaps Ben's information isn't 100% accurate? Or do the writers just not mind making a few military-related slipups here and there? Fahris 23:15, 27 April 2008 (PDT)

  • I mean, are there really no exceptional marines who jump the ranks faster? Not being intensely familiar with military ranks I still assumed that First Sergeant was a big deal - meaning Keamy moved up the ranks fast.--Overworkedirish 05:39, 28 April 2008 (PDT)
  • It's just not mathematically possible. Even if he was contract PFC, then systematically made each rank after that meritoriously (as a reward, rather than a through-the-system promotion), he'd have topped out at Sergeant, possibly Staff Sergeant. Promotion TO Staff Sergeant on up is conducted by a yearly review board, so even if he got meritoriously submitted to the Staff board, was the FIRST Marine promoted out of each board and subsequently submitted meritoriously again for the next board (before he'd have had time to even distinguish himself in the rank he just got, or possibly even actually get it pinned on), it'd STILL have taken 3 years to go from Sergeant to Staff to Gunnery Sergeant to First Sergeant. In other words, either this guy has been cast dramatically too young, or the character would be a national hero the likes of which the world has never known. The sort of Marine who's in the headlines more than the President. Someone who'd be the subject of their own TV show, certainly not someone who unceremoniously left the Marine Corps mid-contract (enlistment contracts are in 4-year increments) to go pursue mercenary work in Uganda. If the idea was simply to say "Keamy was hot shit as a Marine," Sergeant or Staff Sergeant is the right neighborhood. First Sergeant just strains believability, or proves Ben's information network is unreliable.Fahris 12:35, 28 April 2008 (PDT)
  • Well, it's at least possible, as we can see from 29-year-old First Sergeant Page here. Taking into account Page's 11-year career, we should consider the possibility that when Ben said "served with distinction from 1996-2001," he was referring to Keamy's time as a commissioned officer? I mean, I feel like they wouldn't have been so careless to have not only listed a real Marine Corps rank, but also give a time period (1996-2001).--Overworkedirish 13:57, 28 April 2008 (PDT)
  • Commissioned officer has nothing to do with this, as "sergeant" type ranks denote experienced enlisted personnel. I didn't say it was impossible for Keamy to be a First Sergeant in less than 20 years, but you'll note that the Marine in that article is basically shit-hot to have reached that rank before 30. That's probably some kind of record. Meanwhile Keamy is about the same age, and not only is he supposed to have reached that rank, but then LEFT it to pursue several years of mercenary work. This again comes back to the issue of math. 1stSgt Page still had to DO things at the levels of Sergeant, Staff Sergeant, and Gunnery Sergeant to merit those rapid promotions. The level of merit that had to be demonstrated to reach the rank in 11 years couldn't be compressed to 5. Certainly not by the sort of scumbag Keamy is demonstrating himself to be. Even if we assume then that he reached the rank in 11 years, as 1stSgt Page, then the "1996-2001" window refers to his time AS a 1stSgt, then his ~3 years of mercenary work, we're still left with a man who should be nearing 40, not around 30.Fahris 16:45, 28 April 2008 (PDT)
  • What I was saying was NOT that he was a First Sergeant from 1996-2001, but that those were years that he "served with distinction" - say, maybe his first 6 years (1990-96) he was just regular Marine who moved up the ranks rather quickly (served "without" distinction). So then you have a 29-year old in 2001. He quits, does mercenary work for 3 years, and you've got a 32-year-old in 2004 shooting Alex in the head. Hooray! ;-) --Overworkedirish 18:00, 28 April 2008 (PDT)
  • Hey, I want there to be a plausible explanation for this too, but "served with distinction" would be pretty much the definition of what he would have done to get promoted through the lower ranks that fast. I do have another theory: it's possible he was a Sergeant/Staff Sergeant who did such an excellent job that he was tapped to fill a First Sergeant BILLET. A billet is military position, rather than rank; MOST Marine Corps billets are filled by Marines at least one rank lower than the rank of the billet. Still not at all common, but reasonably plausible. I just want to know more about this guy as quickly as possible.Fahris 19:18, 28 April 2008 (PDT)
  • I hear you. Good, informative discussion - thanks for initiating it!--Overworkedirish 19:59, 28 April 2008 (PDT)

The actor is 34 years old, would it be such a stretch that his character is intended to be late 30s? --Minderbinder 14:47, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

(spoiler removed)Edit

  • Isn't it a bit weird that *************************(spoiler removed)? This isn't a spoiler, since it the promos can be considered part of last week's episode that has already aired. -- Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
  • It IS a spoiler, and the promos CANNOT be considered part of last week's episode. As said previously, see LP:SP.--Overworkedirish 17:18, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

There are a number of people who intentionally avoid the promos in order to remain surprised during the next episode. Though I'm not one of them, I can understand where they come from, and it's best that we don't alienate anyone by posting information from episodes that haven't aired. Jimbo the tubby 21:37, 29 April 2008 (PDT)

Spoiler removed. Please don't post spoilers, there are people who don't watch the promos and don't want to know what is in them. --Minderbinder 09:00, 30 April 2008 (PDT)


I normally watch these online, not on TV, and the promo doesn't always show up online. If something from the promo appears on this site I am always disappointed.--DeepForestGreen 09:47, 6 May 2008 (PDT)

Stargate and Mayan MythologyEdit

  • I have removed the following piece of trivia:
This piece of trivia was stated adjunct to:
  • In Mayan Astrology, the sign CIMI, pronounced the same way as Martin's last name, means DEATH.
Personally I find even this original piece of trivia to be iffy. But for now I'll stick with the Stargate one: For this piece of trivia to be even remotely relevant, we are drawing the following conclusions: the writers knew Kevin Duran's character in Stargate, saw he was a Mayan Demon (Zipacna - a DIFFERENT mythological figure than Cimi), decided that from there they would name this character after one of the Mayan mythological figures known as "skybearers" (see wikipedia:Maya mythology - conincidentally the Mayan word for "death," - "cimi," but decided it should be more Americanized to "Keamy." I believe this set of conclusions and these leaps in logic are beyond ridiculous and sets a new precedent for apophenia. Until the issues are hashed out on this Talk page, it is reasonable for the trivia to be (at the very least, temporarily) removed.--Overworkedirish 16:25, 2 May 2008 (PDT)
  • It does seem a stretch - but maybe it should be moved to theories rather than outright deleted? --Jackdavinci 00:25, 3 May 2008 (PDT)
  • OK:
Michael Emerson - Trivia Section - X-Files comment, Character in Saw]
Henry Ian Cusick - Played Jesus in the Gospel of John (2003) - Desmond, sacrificing himself, turned the fail-safe key to save everyone, an act he must have been certain would have killed him.
Terry O'Quinn - Trivia Section point 3 StarTrek TNG Episode The Pegasus
Jeremy Davies - In Solaris played a Scientist investigating localised strange events in an isolated place (aboard a space station)
Emilie de Ravin - Trivia Section - Two previous roles involving pregnancy, Roswell ( Tess Harding), and [Brick (2005) as Emily
Matthew Fox - Trivia Section Point 5 & 6 (We are Marshall, Haunted) in Trivia
Ken Leung - 'Then, in 2007, he guest starred in a single episode of The Sopranos. This is when the producers of Lost first saw him, and consequently, according to Carlton Cuse, the producers created the character of Miles Straume for him.' (emphasis added)
Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje - played a 'violent criminal gang leader Simon Adebisi on the HBO series Oz'
Elizabeth Mitchell - Trivia Section - Points 3 & 4, Role in Frequency, which incidentally has themes of time travel, and a major character called Jack Shephard
Harold Perrineau - Trivia Section - 'Harold played a yoga teacher on the season finale of Dead Like Me where he saluted a starring character with a namaste.' - And I get grief for apophenia?
...etc...
As you can see, my edit is not without precedent. My major drive here is that events, character and situations in Lost either appear to derive significant factors from the portraying actor's previous roles, or actors in lost are strongly stereotyped. Either way, I do not believe the insertion of a single line of happily-admitted Trivia engenders being consigned to oblivion with the venom loaded response above. I haven't reassigned my edit as yet, I won't be drawn into a tit-for-tat edit/reedit, but instead would invite comments from the wider community.
Tom C 06:43, 3 May 2008 (PDT)
  • To respond, it seems that every single article you referenced is an actor's page, not a character's page. This is Keamy: character's page, so I would uphold that having this in trivia would be without precedent. If you want to, go ahead and post/discuss this on Kevin Durand's actor page (I don't really involve myself in actors' pages). I'm sorry if you found my previous comments "venom-filled;" it was not my intention - however I'll concede that I should have brought this section to the Talk page upon my initial removal (vs. second removal), and apologize if it appeared I was trying a "tit-for-tat" in re-edits. I, also, would very much like to hear from other users than us. ;-) All the best.--Overworkedirish 01:22, 5 May 2008 (PDT)

Casting information Edit

Shouldn't this be considered spoiler information insofar as it relates to a character's possible future on the show (e.g., "possible recur") especially before his/her initial arc is played out? DublinDilettante 18:29, 4 May 2008 (PDT)

3:10 to Yuma Edit

Spoiler alert

I am not sure where to post this; but in the movie 3:10 to Yuma, Kevin Durand is one of the guys taking Russel Crowe to jail, and during their journey Russel Crowe -who stole a fork from the house of the main protaganist's house- gets so annoyed with Durand's character that he suddenly jumps on him and stabs him many times in the neck till he's dead. Sorry for the spoilers, but I thought it was worth mentioning considering that he died virtually the same way in the season finale. --The Cartographer 16:43, 5 August 2008 (PDT)

Good catch. Perhaps a trivia segment on either this or the Kevin Durand article would suffice. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  16:46, 5 August 2008 (PDT)

I think "gets so annoyed with Durand's character that he suddenly jumps on him and stabs him many times in the neck till he's dead" is a bit off - Russel Crowe's character methodically planned to kill all of them one by one, and does so to some whenever he gets the opportunity. It wasn't because he was annoyed. Integrated (User / Talk) 14:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Episode appearances Edit

Why is Keamy's episode count on his page different then the count on the overall character appearance page? --Joshtopher27 02:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

  • In "Meet Kevin Johnson," after Karl and Rousseua were shot dead and Alex surrendered herself, he along with the other mercenaries were supposed to walk out of the overgrowth and capture her. However, due to the writter strike, and since 6 other episodes were in store along with a month wait, these last few seconds were cut from the episode to make it a cliff-hanger. Marko14126 02:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
But Keamy already appeared in "Meet Kevin Johnson", in Michael's flashback.  ODK  Talk  Sandbox  02:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Hm. You're right. In that case I have no clue. Marko14126 02:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

SplitEdit

I'm all for integrating, say, Jack and Kate's sideways pages into their main pages. But the sideways flashes were a world the survivors created to remember their time together. Some other characters might be real, but Keamy? Keamy died in the flash sideways. How can you die in heaven's waiting room? What purpose did this world exist for him? If we believed the two Keamys were separate characters before the finale, I say we have just as much reason to think they're separate now. And more. I say Keamy is no more a person than David was, but whatever we conclude we needn't err on the side of merging. --- Balk Of Fametalk 12:37, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that Keamy likely did not really exist and was manifested as an obstacle to get Sayid, Sun, and Jin where they needed to be, but the problem is: how do we tell which characters were faked and which weren't? ShadowUltra 04:04, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
I think we should list all characters who woke up as real, including Eloise, and including Daniel, who only slightly woke up. We could Ana as real because Hurley and Des suggested she was. We should assume everyone else was fake. --- Balk Of Fametalk 02:30, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
i agree with a list of people woken up, but i don't think we should assume everyone else was fake. there's no way to prove or disprove it. miles and charlotte didn't awake are they fake? or did desmond just not know who they are? Semidelicious 10:59, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
also, i don't think this is the place to propose a list. maybe the flash sideways page? Semidelicious 11:00, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
I think it was the actual Keamy. To me, it kind of makes sense that he was killed in the Sideways world. Keamy is kind of a mass murderer who was never redeemed (like Sayid, Kate, Ben). If we assume "moving on" means the Survivors are going to heaven, Keamy wouldn't be invited. It's kind of like how Anthony Cooper's punishment is in a vegetative state. Since he died, he went to hell. Anthony Cooper was a bad man, but as far as i know never actually killed anyone. (Sawyer's parents was indirect and murder attempt on Locke failed). So, Keamy goes to hell, and Cooper is stuck in purgatory forever. Semidelicious 15:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
But why was he even let into the afterlife? Michael wasn't. Moving on from the afterlife wasn't apparently a matter of how good you are but how ready you are to let go. --- Balk Of Fametalk 02:30, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
I thought Michael didn't move on due to unfinished business. Keamy, even though he was a twisted psychopath, had no unfinished business or issues to work through; he was fully comfortable with being a monster. --Golden Monkey 03:13, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
it's just a theory. Golden Monkey's thought on Michael just happens to fit. Semidelicious 10:59, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
Pictogram voting oppose Christian never says that some people there aren't real, just that these reality was created so they could reunite.--Gonzalo84 17:44, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
Comment Besides, to say some characters are real and some aren't would be subjective. What about Alex, Arzt, Nadia, Omer, Pierre Chang, Neil Frogurt, Ilana, Mr. Paik, Helen?--Gonzalo84 18:17, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think any of them are real. But if we considered each's fs and ot personas separate before the finale, we have even more reason to do so now.--- Balk Of Fametalk 18:22, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
Only the main Losties are "real". I think its more likely than they are simply "not ready" (like Desmond said about Ana Lucia, unless you choose to ignore that and believe she's false too). This seems a waay more canonical explanation, specially considering Eloise, who is clearly aware but not ready, and Daniel (who has experienced some flashes but is not yet awake).--Gonzalo84 23:33, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
"Keamy died in the flash sideways. How can you die in heaven's waiting room?"

Ever play Grim Fandago? It answers that question ;). Seriously who knows if this was the real keamy or not... If it is Keamy his afterlife/hell is to repeatedly die over and over in violent ways for eternity. Baggins 18:02, June 21, 2010 (UTC)