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Live Together, Die Alone

I just added this episode to Libby's flashback scenes, because if "Dave" deserves Libby-centric status then LT,DA definitely does.

  • No Live Together Die Alone's flashback FEATURES Libby. It is, however, shown from Desmond's point of view. (As opposed to Dave's final flashback featuring Hurley, shown from Libby's point of view) --LeoChris 01:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The Other 48 Days

You know what I noticed, in the crash scene of TO48D, we don't see her coming out of the water right? Hmm.--Mistertrouble189 17:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Libby was aware of to visit the staff(station explorers).--robert h

Nevermind, she was in the water, see [1]. --Mistertrouble189 20:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

1967 ?

Hello everyone. I'm writing this page on FR LOSTpédia but I saw something here I didn't know : Libby was born in 1967. Are you sure about this ? If so, in what episode, podcast or other do we know that ? Thanks a lot ! Fan de Lost 17:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I checked over the Season 2 transcripts. Libby never mentions her age. Of course, it's possible there was shown on screen some document that revealed her age or date of birth, and it wasn't properly mentioned in the transcript.  Robert K S   tell me  19:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

So, maybe you have to find a proof, before writing an information on the page. Because I don't think this date is right... Fan de Lost 17:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I was confused about this, too, I'm going to remove it --Integrated (User / Talk) 05:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Centric

In the infobox, it says not to add The Other 48 Days as a centric episode for Libby, because it is a non-centric episode. Well, it is listed as a centric episode in the infoboxes for Ana Lucia, Eko, Bernard, and Goodwin, so why not here too? --Managerpants 10:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm more confused as to why Dave is no longer listed as a centric in her template and on her page. I mean...why? Flashback=Centric, even if it's brief.--Golden Monkey 22:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
    • I don't believe that a 10-second flashback makes Dave a Libby-centric episode, when the entire episode clearly centered around Hurley. --Managerpants 10:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
      • In any case, she had a flashback in it, and it's the episode in which she has the most screentime and the largest role. So it is Libby "centric" by any of the standards we typically use. --Pyramidhead 08:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
        • I meant, of the episodes she was in, this one had her most important role. --Pyramidhead 10:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
        • But she didn't have the most screentime and the largest role... Hurley did. She maybe had more screentime than she's had before (though it's doubtful, what with The Other 48 Days), but that doesn't make the episode Libby-centric. Nor does, once again, a 10-second flashback of her drooling. --Managerpants 10:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
          • Though I agree that Dave should be listed on her infobox, I also think that we should add "Greatest Hits" to Karl and possibly Alex's navbar as they had a flashback in that episode.-- Orhan94  Talk  Contribs  11:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
            • I think we're getting a little carried away with what constitutes a centric episode. Yes, Greatest Hits had a brief Karl flashback, and yes, Dave had an even briefer Libby flashback, but those episodes can't be called Karl- or Libby-centric because they weren't the focus of the episode. That's what "centric" means. --Managerpants 11:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
              • Whether or not they are centrics, I believe these episodes should be listed in the infoboxes somewhere, (Flashback : (Episode) ?) possibly along Juliet's A Tale of Two Cities. --LeoChris 18:07, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
  • This is getting ridiculous. Here's what defines a "centric" (I hate that term, by the way) episode as I've understood it: A "centric" episode for a character, for the first four seasons, is one in which the viewer is directly shown events, either before or after the ongoing story, that give an insight into that character's background and motivations. The length of a character's flashback should not be an issue at all - Walt's flashback in Exodus was probably only twice as long as this one, yet it's still a "centric" for him. And just because there was only one Libby flashback per se in this episode, there's no denying we learned more about her from those thirty seconds than we had from any of her previous screentime. There is no reason at all why "Dave" should be considered not a "Libby" episode. --Pyramidhead 10:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
    • No reason? How about the rest of the episode being about Hurley? If there can be a group centric episode, why can't there be a couple centric episode?

Damon & Carlton Comments

Does this belong in the article? I think it does, given the unanswered questions will always be so: BE: Will we ever find out why Libby was in the mental institution and if she knew Hurley pre-island?

CC: No, we feel like we resolved Libby’s fate, and for the fans that are still obsessing about Libby, maybe at some point someone will write sort of a “Star Wars”-like novel about the story of Libby, but we don’t consider that to be a major story thread for us. [2] --Xbenlinusx 19:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Added :) Alexisfan07 5 May 2009

Source?

"The producers have stated that they would like to reveal more of Libby's back story, but the actress who plays her is unable or unwilling to comply." listed in trivia. I'd love to know the source for this?--Integrated (User / Talk) 05:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Here you go, haven't watched the video myself, so be careful, it could contain spoilers (but I doubt it) --LeoChris 15:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Yeah i watched it and does say what LC said it does and it talks about what Ekos story was supposed to be. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  23:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Desmond/Institution

Which came first? In the newest interview revealing why Libby was in the institution, they say she was there BEFORE she got out and gave her boat to Desmond. Here is a link to something they said awhile back about going from point A to point B, Desmond to the mental institution: http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php. Thoughts? Alexisfan07 4 July 2009

The new interview timeline makes sense. This gives her character arc a cohesion more in line with how other character arcs have been resolved on the show. Eko finds his faith, then dies. Michael redeems himself, then dies. Shannon discovers someone trusts her, then dies. Boone declares independence from Shannon, then dies. In this case, Libby's struggle was with love. David died and she was in "a dark place" according to Darlton. As soon as she learned how to love again (with Hurley), her struggle with that particular personal demon was over. And then she died promptly after that. It fits. Sure it would be nice to know how she was in Australia. We can imagine it was another character connection, like she was working for Widmore or something like that, but it was still probably on that character arc - that she was learning how to love again. She resolved that with Hurley and THAT is why Darlton considers the matter closed - the arc was resolved.Johnnyd1980 21:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Rename

  • This rename to Libby Smith is very hastely done, without discussion on the appropiate (this) page. What's the source, is it valid, is it canon and shouldn't it be Elizabeth "Libby" Smith to be consequent? --LOST-Hunter61 07:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

maybe her last name was revealed in the memorial video at comic-con, like karl's last name was revealed. just a guess, however. --Joshtopher27 07:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

  • And where is that video to be found? --LOST-Hunter61 08:04, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
See here. I think this should be taken as the true name, but I concur it should really be "Elizabeth "Libby" Smith" - which as a matter of fact is how she is credited at the Lost panel!! --Nickb123 (Talk) 13:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Agree with adding the last name, but as for saying "Elizabeth "Libby" Smith", I don't know that that's necessary. It's not like we have articles named "Katherine "Kate" Austen" or "Johnathan "John" Locke".  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  02:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Revealed at Comic Con, all other Comic Con material has been considered canon. The video was quite upsetting really...--Integrated (User / Talk) 15:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Funny, I thought we resolved this past year that Comic Con material was not canon, especially in light of last year's video bit that didn't pan out, and the subsequent Darlton admission that (paraphrasing here) "Comic Con material is for the fans, don't hold us to it".  Robert K S   tell me  05:09, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be renamed to "Libby Smith"? Libby is a nickname for Elizabeth, just as Kate is a nickname for Katherine or John is a nickname for Jonathan. -- LostCloverfield42  Talk  02:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
We've gone both ways on this (see Hugo "Hurley" Reyes and James "Sawyer" Ford). In this case, since she was really never known as Elizabeth on the show, Libby Smith might be more appropriate. (But even the "Smith" seems dubious as being non-canon. Being such a common/generic name, it seems more like something they made up just for a hastily-produced spoof video. And Darlton have explicitly said that Comic Con material can't be held as canon.  Robert K S   tell me  22:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Last year's video with Chang was originally going to a canon, but it just didn't work out so they just called it non-canon.--Joshtopher27 02:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Libby and jacob has something what's the same by them. They appeared both in other peoples flashbacks. Libby appeared in Eko, Desmond and Hurley. Jacob appeared in Hurley, Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Locke, Sayid & Ilana.--Station7 13:36, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

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