Contents 1 Isabel 2 Sayid 3 Sawyer 4 Ana-Lucia 5 Juliet 6 Jack 7 Locke 8 Kate? 9 Hurley? 10 Desmond 11 Criticisms 12 Richard Albert 13 Tom 14 Juliet 15 Very out of date 16 deceased?

IsabelEdit

Isabel should most definatley be in this article. She was easily proven a leader of the Others and we have only seen her once! Once more information is known about her, we should add her to this. I got a feeling now she is dead their is no point --Rbfskywalker 03:46, 22 June 2008 (PDT)

SayidEdit

About Sayid's levelheadedness, there are many moments when he loses this, such as when interrogating Henry Gale and when confronting Ana-Lucia in the jungle. There should be some qualifier mentioned in his section. --Puppyfury 01:39, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

"Sayid's military experiences, critical mind, and technological skills have caused him to emerge as a leading personality within the group. He is one of the few people on the Island who can calmly disagree with Jack by using reason, which seems an odd counterpoint to his skills with physical torture. Sayid seems content with a secondary leadership role, allowing Jack to make most of the decisions, and advising only when he strongly disagrees. " -- I disagree with the part that claims his ability to calmly and logically disagree with Jack is an odd counterpoint. If anything, a torturer would have the skills of rationality and calm. It takes a tremendous amount of both qualities to engage in torture. 74.12.1.47 13:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Joe

SawyerEdit

Has anybody else noticed that since season 1, Sawyer had been attempting to win even if a partial control over the losties, and hence his share of leadership among them, through his own way of maintaining power of possessions, which recently included guns before his kidnap. If I am a betting man, I would bet my money on the fact that one of the main things on Sawyer's checklist, as soon as he returns back to camp ("if he does successfully") would be to undermine Locke's authority, and breakup his newly formed elite group...For all these reasons, I think Sawyer should be indeed considered in our listing of the possible contributors in the Leadership struggle on the Island. your thoughts guys ? -- 18:23, 21 January 2007 (PST)

It's definitely worth taking a look at. Especially after the The Long Con. I hadn't put him on there originially because I don't think he actually wants the responsibility of leadership, he just doesn't like having authority over him. However, that's just my suspicions, as he hasn't actually said anything of the sort yet. He certainly has the leadership skills to convince a mark to follow him through a con, so either way it's worth writing about! -BearDog 09:28, 22 January 2007 (PST)

If we have Boone, who really didn't do much leadership-wise, I think we should defintly have Sawyer. Also Kate because she's like Jack's vice-president, Michael because he lead the building and sailing of the raft, and Ana-Lucia because she lead the Tail Section for some forty days. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:27, 12 February 2007 (PST)

• Great job with Sawyer!, Bear Dog -- 16:15, 13 February 2007 (PST)

• I strongly agree. Even before Sawyer's return his signs of leadership in the cage with Kate has shown great leadership as well as his contributions to missions. He is cerainly more of a leader than Juliet has shown to be. Ryan stowers 10:48, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Ana-Lucia Edit

Added in an Ana-Lucia section since she was one of the leaders on the island. Her section needs a lot of work though! ~ Unfortunate

JulietEdit

I don't think Julie should be here. She isn't a leader she even says she isn't --Princess Dharma (banned) 11:57, 18 February 2007 (PST)

• Yes she is. She's pretty clearly high up on the Others' hierarchy. The only reason she says that in that scene is to contrast what she was in the past with her present, and show how mcuh she changed and grew since being on the island... from a meek, self-doubting individual to one who wouldn't hesitate to shoot someone if she needed to. --PandoraX 12:01, 18 February 2007 (PST)

Still not convinced (seems pretty much like she goes under Ben, Tom and maybe even Danny's orders but it don't matter as she's wkd. --Princess Dharma (banned) 08:58, 19 February 2007 (PST)

• Juliet is defintly a leader --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:05, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Give me one instance in which she has lead a group. Princess Dharma (banned) 12:09, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Lead the book club, claimed she ranked the same as Ben, told Ivan to catch Kate and Sawyer, told Alex to stay on the Hydra Island, and she appears to lead the mutiny against Ben. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:12, 20 February 2007 (PST)

1) It was simply her turn to lead the book club that week, 2) she ordered Ivan when she was under Ben's orders and she told Alex to do so because if Ben (Alex is a child as well) 4) we don't know if anybody else is involved the mutiny she could be on her own trying to stir up trouble individually Princess Dharma (banned) 12:15, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Take a vote if you want, but Juliet defintly belongs here. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:16, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Nah. I said above that it doesn't really matter, I just like argueing ^_^. Princess Dharma (banned) 12:17, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Jack Edit

I disagree with the statement that Jack got his leadership from being good in a medical crisis. He is a doctor and that made him the most useful character to the group, therefore, from the start they turned to him. Since then the group have always called in him for help because he is the only one with an immediate ability, with himbeing a doctor, useful to the group. Indeed Sayid's army training is useful, but not to the extent that Jack is. Also, the article should note that Jack actually doesnt want to be leader and feels he cannot take it on.

I phrased it that way, because I think it goes beyond just being a doctor. Bernard is technically a doctor too, but hasn't shown the leadership skills that Jack did. Initially, I agree that Jack was hesitant to accept a formal leadership position, but I think by the time he decided to move the camp to the caves (in the first season) he had accepted his role. -BearDog 11:20, 20 February 2007 (PST)

I disagree with Jack being a man of science. Firstly while he may refuse to believe in things of which he has know prior knowledge this merely leads him to ignore many of the island-related issues desptie considerable evidence (Jack was much slower then some people coming to terms with the others and the monster). Secondly even though he has considerable scientific knowledge he rarely relies on this to make decisions, he makes most decisions on an emotional basis and even as a doctor he did this, as can be seen when he operates on patients where a rational surgeon wouldn't have. Jack is simply slow to accept change an very inflexible, making leaders like Locke seem apt to over-emotional decisions, where in reality they both base their decisions on emotional/irrational sentiments, but while Locke embraces each course of action with his full enthusiasum, Jack's personality leads the same type of decision making to almost always favour the more stable and less imaginative course of actions. The only exceptions to this occur once he becomes emotionally involved and distressed, resulting in inconsistent decision making. For example, he is willing to let Gin, Sayid and Bernard die, but will chase after Mike, he favours torturing Sawyer becomes he is unable to watch Shannon suffer, yet won't torture his enemies (for the most part) even when the present a threat to the entire group. On the whole Jack is an erratic and inconsistent leader at best. Timeon B. McDowell 19:00, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Locke Edit

Also, Locke has lost his power as a leader in the group since his rash actions with his faith, this should be mentioned with regards to his lose of power. Boone was actually one of the most prominent reasons that Locke came to a position of power. Boone looked to him and therefore he acted accordingly and now nobody looks to him, he has no need for leadership. Ryan stowers 10:46, 20 February 2007 (PST)

I wouldn't say that Locke has a need for leadership, but he definitely stepped in to share the burden when they took over the hatch. He even assigned the other losties to a rotation, to make sure the button was covered at all times. He did lose some of that when Sawyer tricked him out of all the guns, but once Jack and Sawyer were captured he seems to have taken over. He led an expedition to find Eko, and promised the group he'd find a way to get Jack back. -BearDog 11:20, 20 February 2007 (PST)

He only ever became leader by default and even then not for very long. For every good thing he has done, he has done something terribly bad that would make normal people shun him and never trust him again. Sayid should have never trusted him again after he clubbed him when they were looking for the radio signal. What he pulled at the Swan should have alienated several more people. Its clear now that he never cared about getting Jack back. He is more concerned with sabotaging any chance of anyone getting off the island than anything else. After what he pulled with the Flame and the submarine, there should be nobody left who would either trust him or listen to a word he has to say. The only positive thing he has done in a very long time was save Mr. Eko and he apparantly only did that so that the island could properly beat him to death one day later. Locke doesn't have a need for leadership because the lives of other people have ceased to mean anything to him. Dharmatel4 16:11, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

• I agree, Locke's a bad man. But the fact that he's pulled all this crap, and people still believe him says that he's an effective leader. Maybe not "good" in the sense of right and wrong, but Hitler was an effective leader too. Nobody should ever trust Locke again. "I'll stay here and watch the prisoner", "I'll watch the back door while you go in from the side...", "Me and Boone are going hunting..." -BearDog 17:17, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Guys, regardless of whether Locke is "good" or "bad", we need to keep his section in the article neutral. I went and removed tons of unverified and half-true statements today. If anyone disagrees with what I deleted, please let me know. -PsychoYoshi 10:56, 25 April 2007 (PDT)

The problem I have with some of your edits is that in terms of being a leader, Locke's recent actions regardless of what his motives are have destroyed his standing as a leader. That includes the destruction of the flame, lying about the C4, throwing Mikhail into the fence, blowing up the sub and going off with the Others with no explanation. The wording could have been been better, but we need to be careful about exusing everything he does with "well, he must have a good reason. He just has not told us yet". But that said, I can live with your edits. Dharmatel4 11:05, 25 April 2007 (PDT)

Kate? Edit

should kate be added?. it is arguable that she is a very high ranking member of the a-team and is trusted by the survivers.she has also taken leadership in jacks sted on a veriety of occasions

She sure is but she appears to be more of a follower merely accompanying the A-Team on their missions. I don't think there has yet been an instance in which she has attempted to lead the group. --Princess Dharma (banned) 12:08, 20 February 2007 (PST)

I'm still trying to figure out how to describe her leadership style. She definitely carries a lot of power within the structure of the group, but seems to be a behind-the-scenes gal. She's content to let Jack lead, as long as he's going where she wants. She's also the only person who put a leash on Sawyer. She got Sun to poison Jin, kept Charlie away from Claire, kept Danielle away from Claire, and was the only person Jack trusted to deliver Aaron. She isn't THE leader, but she definitely is a leader. -BearDog 12:18, 20 February 2007 (PST)

O.K I see your point. She's a very back-handed and subtle one though. Start the article and we can all work on it together. Do it in a sandbox if you like. Princess Dharma (banned) 12:22, 20 February 2007 (PST)

Well favorable qualities would be charisma and no fear.

Unfavorable qualities would be her attraction to Sawyer. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:20, 20 February 2007 (PST)

After "Tricia Tanaka is Dead" and "Enter 77", we can safely acknowledge Kate as a major leader on the island, if we couldn't already. Anyone who reads this, please consider seriously her favorable and unfavorable qualities.

Favorable: Toughness/Fearlessness - ability to exert violence when necessary, climbing trees to acquire food; Responsibility - rescuing Jack; Charisma; Familiarity with the wilderness

Unfavorable: Personal history; Solitude;

--Puppyfury 00:24, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

Hey guys, Added in a Kate section, feel free to chop and change as you see fit! ~ Unfortunate

Hurley? Edit

Hurley is very much well liked and the castaways certainly trust him. He also influences people very much. I even read an article in a book about LOST that said that Hurley could be the true leader of the island. I just think he should be added.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tylerr395 (talk • contribs) .

• Okay, put him in and lets see! He's another one that's been hard to classify, just because he seems to prefer following. On the other hand, he did show leadership in handling the food distribution, and he certainly took initiative building the golf course as stress relief. Hurley's like the Events Coordinator of the island... -BearDog 14:52, 21 February 2007 (PST)

After "Tricia Tanaka is Dead", Hurley has shown considerable leadership ability. Let's start putting together favorable and unfavorable qualities!

Favorable: Likeability (better word?)/Charisma; Optimism; Communalism (better word?)Honesty

Unfavorable:

--Puppyfury 00:29, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

• I agree. Hurley should definately be in there. In ("Exposé") he really seemed to lead the survivors in trying to find out what happened to Nikki and Paulo. Also, one unfavorable quality could be Sensitivity. Just puttin' it out there.Berethor222 20:10, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

• I agree! Hurley is an unconventional leader, but he knows himself and his shortcomings. He takes the lead in grooming Sawyer to lead the group, and also takes charge at difficult times (like the many burials he has been a part of). Libbyjones715 14:19, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Desmond Edit

• Desmond should be here too. He has been in army, he can predict future. That would make him good leader.

Favorable: Clairvoyant, Military bearing

Unfavorable:

--Jameson 19:40, 10 April 2007

I dont know that he should be listed until he is seen acting as leader, but anyway:

Favorable:

Dependable

He proved that with his three years at the Swan

Responsible

Volunteers to help the group and others in the group

He seems to be doing the hunting these days.

He has gone out of his way to try and help Charlie

Good at dealing with other people

He is good at dealing with people one on one.

Unfavoriable:

May be psychologically unsound

His three years in the hatch may lead to him cracking under pressure or in a crisis. See for example his behavior in running away from the Swan after the computer was broken. This could be a one-time situation, but it will be difficult to tell unless he is put under pressure again.

Puts trust in the wrong people

He was convinced by Locke to go to the Swan, lcok everyone out and run the timer down to zero all based on very little information from Locke. He also probably trusted Kelvin far more than he should have for too long.

No experience in being a leader

There is no sign that he has ever been in a leadership position anywhere. Sayid, for example, was an army officer implying leadership skills. But Desmond was an ordinary soldier. Dharmatel4 22:28, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

• No i don't think he has ever done eny leadering, he has never taken charge of the group --Rbfskywalker 03:46, 22 June 2008 (PDT)

CriticismsEdit

1. Why is "usefulness" a leadership trait, and if it is, why does Locke have it but not the infinitely more useful Jack? Leaders are the ones who use, not the ones who are used; it's followers who need to be "useful", i.e., have valuable skills. Even our paragraph on usefulness bears this out: it says that Locke is merely an "indispensable member of the group", not its leader, and that "He alone" (not "He leading/directing a group") has been able to deliver food to the survivors. Indeed, he demonstrated his enormous ineptitude every time he tried to "lead" a group; in his very first hunting trip, he went off on a pointless suicide mission to get the boar rather than helping bring an injured Michael back to the camp.
2. Locke didn't disregard Boone's life. He urged Boone to come down when the airplane started tilting, and it was Boone's own choice to use the radio that doomed him; he felt tortured by risking Boone's life, indeed so much so that he spent the whole night banging on the Hatch; and he's been haunted by Boone's phantom ever since he caused his death, showing that it deeply influenced him. I think there is indeed some evidence that he has a disregard for human life, but we should either remove the entry or provide better examples than just Boone (whose death Locke agonized over) and Naomi (who Locke seems to have realized was an enemy). You could make a stronger case for Locke disregarding the wishes of others, of course, since he cares more about his own desire to stay on the Island than about the entire rest of the survivors' desire to escape; that's a horrifically bad characteristic for a leader, putting your personal desires before everyone else's.
3. Eko didn't die as a result of following Locke's dream. He died as a result of following his own dream; we can blame Locke for many things, but not for the Monster killing Eko.
4. Better evidence that Sayid has "people skills" is his ability to consistently tell when others are lying. He's a fantastic people-reader, which is a good quality for a leader.
5. Why do Sayid's technological skills make him a better leader, when Jack's medical skills apparently don't? Being able to fix a transceiver doesn't make you a leader, it makes you a mechanic. The time he saved the computer is an excellent demonstration of this: he blindly followed orders and fixed the computer without asking any questions at all about what the computer was for, or why he needed to fix it.
6. Shouldn't we use the same word for different characters whenever possible, to highlight overlaps and similarities? For example, why use "Self-assuredness" for Jack but "Confidence" for Locke and Ana-Lucia? Why "Coldness" for Sayid but "Emotional Coldness" for Ana-Lucia? Why "Level-headedness" for Sayid but "Cool-headedness" for Juliet?
7. Sawyer shouldn't have "Strength" when he's not any stronger than numerous other characters. A better word for what you're talking about is "Courage" or "Confidence", but this is really so close to "Arrogance" and "Stand-offishness" that, realistically, it's more of a negative than a positive.
8. Sawyer is much, much worse at reading people than Sayid is, so why does he get "Insight" while Sayid gets nada?
9. Why does Locke get "Disregard for the lives of others" when he's largely just been a bit careless about people's lives, when Sawyer, who's actually murdered numerous people in cold blood, doesn't get this as a disadvantage?
10. Why does Sayid get "Solitary nature", while Sawyer doesn't? Locke is clearly more solitary than either of them, but Sawyer doesn't really seem any less solitary than Sayid; if anything, Sayid is much more integrated into the community than the perennial lone-wolf Sawyer.
11. Why does Boone get "prior experience" as a leader just for running a company for a couple years, while Sayid's lifetime of military service gets him nothing more than "bearing"?
12. Is Boone's positive trait "Able to make decisions" supposed to be a joke? Everyone on the island is able to make decisions. Even Vincent can make decisions.
13. Why does Boone get "Courage" while Jack, Locke, Ana-Lucia, Ben, Juliet, and Michael don't?
14. Boone doesn't have an "inability to ask other people for help". He has an unwillingness to ask other people for help. Also, this is a lie in either case; there is no evidence that this is true, and the two cases provided as evidence are really evidence of other faults: his headstrongness, his failure to think things through, and his willingness to rush into things on his own.
15. Do you think our readers are gullible enough to think that "guilability" is a word? :)
16. What is "Procedural Knowledge"? All the things provided as evidence for this supposed trait in Ana-Lucia are really evidence of her suspicious, untrusting nature.
17. Why does Ana-Lucia get "authoritarianism", but not Ben?
18. Ben doesn't have the leadership quality of "fear". His followers do. You probably mean "intimidation" or similar. Also, "Fear" can't be both a positive and negative quality; certain aspects of it might be, but you can't just list the same thing for both positive and negative.
19. "Jacob" isn't a leadership quality. It's a person's name. If we're going to note specific in-plot events that make characters more "leaderlike" in the eyes of other characters, then we need to add dozens of other entries here, not just "Jacob". For example, Mr. Eko's loyalty to Ana-Lucia is at least as important to her as Jacob's supposed link to Ben is to him.
20. Again, "Strength" is incredibly poor word choice here, because physical strength is arguably indeed an important quality in many leaders, yet here it's referring only to psychological fortitude, determination, etc.
21. Why is Ben any more "intelligent" than Sayid or Jack? If anything, the reverse seems to be true.
22. And why is he "manipulative", while the professional manipulator Sawyer is just "charming"? And again, "manipulation" can't be both good and bad simultaneously.
23. "Mystery" is pure speculation. We have no reason to believe that Ben knows much more than the rest of the Others.
24. "Too clever" isn't a weakness. "Overplans" is.
25. Don't all real-world leaders "depend on appearances"? If you don't appear to be leader-like, you won't be a very good leader! This doesn't seem like a weakness, just a natural state of affairs in the world.
26. It's not true at all that Juliet is the only one of the Others known to intentionally counter Ben. Countering Ben is such a common hobby among the Others that they might as well make a competition out of it. Key competitors would be Alex, Karl, Richard Alpert, Bonnie, and Tom.
27. Choosing a book Ben wouldn't like for book club isn't an example of Juliet "subtly undercutting Ben's authority". Don't be ridiculous. She said it was her "favorite book", so that was clearly her motivation. And she was if anything acting out of frustration rather than subtle diabolical plotting.
28. Why do you claim that Juliet is "amoral" when she's actually arguably quite moral? And why are Ben, Ana-Lucia, etc. not given this quality?
29. You claim that Juliet is subversive because she's "power-hungry". What's the basis for this? All canon indicates that she's subversive because she loves her sister and wants to escape the Island. Is love for one's family a bad trait for a leader?
30. Why does Juliet get "History of Betrayal" while Locke, Sawyer, Ben, and Michael don't?
31. Experience with construction does not make one a better leader; see the reasoning regarding Sayid's technical skills. There's a difference between the ability to perform tasks and the ability to lead.
32. "Walt" is not an unfavorable quality. Walt is a human being. What you mean to say is "Poor parenting skills".
33. Michael's not amoral; he just values his son's safety high above anyone else's. His morals may be skewed, but he certainly has them, or else he'd have abandoned his son and just done whatever suited himself, rather than selflessly risking his life over and over again. Michael's just a moral person who does bad stuff at times, when pushed to.
34. Why does Sawyer have so few negatives as a leader? What about his distrust of others, his selfishness, his arrogance and stubbornness, his surprising (for a con man) lack of diplomacy, his argumentativeness and willingness to pick pointless fights, and his complete lack of experience in actually leading anyone in anything other than a con job? I wouldn't be surprised if many of the other characters on the page would have done even worse things than Michael did for the sake of their children—Ana-Lucia, for example, is much more "amoral", by that standard, than Michael. She killed someone in cold blood out of revenge; Michael only ever did it to save his son's life.
35. "He is a compulsive liar: Now his biggest weakness, all of the Others are now seeing him as a person who has told them nothing but lies. This will probably lead to his demise. " - I wasn't aware that Damon Lindelof was an editor at Lostpedia. Or is some other creator of Lost editing our pages, that we would know what will "lead to Ben's demise"? Hell, no fan would even be able to know that Ben's a "compulsive liar", since we've never once seen Ben lie unnecessary. It's not "compulsive" if you do it selectively, to further an agenda; it's "compulsive" if you do it because of an irrational need to. Besides, even if he did lie a lot, we have no reason to believe that he lies constantly to the Others: we only know of a handful of times he's ever lied to the Others, and even in those cases it seems likely that he confided in a few Others, like Richard Alpert. -Silence 23:52, 3 August 2007 (PDT)

Dude you should really work on being more succinct (+9,000 characters). Also if you think there are a few grammar issues, amend the clearly incorrect ones, and then discuss the ambiguous could-arguably-include terms. --Nickb123 (Talk) 02:35, 4 August 2007 (PDT)

Richard AlbertEdit

I think he should be added as he has acted as leader of the others before.--Rbfskywalker 03:46, 22 June 2008 (PDT)

• I don't think we actually know enough about him for that. Bibendum 00:04, 17 November 2007 (PDT)

TomEdit

I think he should be added as he has acted as leader of the others before.--Rbfskywalker 03:46, 22 June 2008 (PDT)

Juliet Edit

Should Juliet not be changed to the survivors faction? She is clearly one of the major leaders of the camp (Something Nice Back Home, There's No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3, Because You Left, etc.)

She also seems to have replaced Kate as Number 1 girl as of LaFleur. -- Bringlibbyandcharlieback  Talk   Contribs 20:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Very out of date Edit

This page in general is pretty out of date. It sounds like Michael is still alive and our Losties are still living on the beach in 2004. Also, it makes it seem Tom is still alive. I think there were other things I noticed too, but I think this page needs somewhat of an overhaul. Lindsaynickel 23:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree that the article is in need of a serious rewrite and update. The definitions of good and bad leadership qualities needs to be reexamined as well. Its quite a hodgepodge. Great Cthulhu 15:10, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

deceased? Edit

So are Horace, Faraday and Radzinsky, and adding them to the deceased section would be kindda stupid as it would list two thirds of the characters on that section. I think we should list them all based on their factions like we did previously. --Orhan94 23:57, April 1, 2010 (UTC)