There's already an article for this, The Jughead, however, I like this title better so lets have a merge here? --Mistertrouble189 04:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Well I'm biased since I started "Jughead (bomb)" and contributed most of the test but I agree to merge. "The Jughead" is an awkward way of phrasing it.

I really don't think the bomb is on the place the future barracks will be, since there are no barracks after they travelled to the present.Jensma 12:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

It's a strange theory but where it is opened by the jughead is where the monster came from. The monster was in the jughead. We don't know where he came from. A jughead bomb is black just like the monster.

robert h

Why do people keep saying "the jughead" and "a jughead". "Jughead" isn't a type of bomb, so those articles are incorrect usage. "Jughead" is the name of this specific bomb. So it should be merely "Judhead".

Also, I was wondering why the Locations box was at the bottom of this article, since a bomb is not a location. Ao-bōzu 青坊主 * Talk * Contributions

Contents 1 Get video of the "detonation" 2 Type of bomb 3 == 3.1 Actually... 3.2 Did Jughead actually detonate? (post-finale)

Get video of the "detonation" Edit

We should totally embed a video clip of Juliette banging on the plutonium core and the "flash of white light" that may or may not signal detonation. This would help clarify the whole situation.

Type of bomb Edit

I think there might be some confusion with the bomb type. Originally, the bomb was a hydrogen bomb. However, when the core was removed, it was only a thermonuclear device, not a hydrogen bomb. A hydrogen bomb requires a big container full of such gas for a detonation, which is started by a thermonuclear bomb. The survivors left the gas in the body of the bomb, and they took the igniting mechanism only. Some parts of the article make it seem as though it still is a hydrogen bomb.

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Impact of blast

this is listed in unanswered questions. While i realise it may not be perfectly identical, the Castle Bravo test in 1954 by the US was estimated to produce a 4 - 6 megaton blast. Although it was actually much larger than this, it seems that the rating of the bomb on lost would have been estimated. Castle bravo creaed a fireball 7km across within a second, acording to red rousou's maps this would have been a third of the island.

Actually... Edit

The bomb core is strictly a fission device. A thermonuclear device is what the entirely assembly would be labelled. The core is known as the primary which, when detonated, releases high energy x-rays that trigger the thermonuclear reaction in the secondary stages' thermonuclear fuel (lithium hydride I think for solid fuel devices). Some devices have a third stage that really kicks up the yield. As another note...the primary device shown in lost...is a little small. It could be a uranium device but plutonium is more likely...but unlikely given the shape. If plutonium, you could have detonated it by hitting with a rock, it requires a precision implosion to go nuclear. Also, either uranium or plutonium...there would be very little exposure to radiation even is the bomb casing was cracked. A few flaws but can be overlooked given how much LOST has given. --Esckalibur 22:29, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. In fact, the core of the weapon should NOT have detonated, as the package relies on sophisticated explosives and electronics to correctly detonate the explosives that activate the core, as well as deactivate the safeties that are present in the weapon's inherit design. The bomb would also have been detonated by coded electrical impulse, rather than by impact. In addition, the core of a nuclear weapon is exceedingly heavy. Assuming that the bomb was a 20 megaton weapon, indicating a B41 nuclear device, the entire weapon weighs 10,670 lb, most of which is REQUIRED for detonation. (In fact, the B41 is quite efficient as nukes go, having a 5.2 megaton per ton yield. This is the most efficient ever.) This indicates that the "core" that Jack was carrying could have ONLY been the plutonium, and not the explosives that actually make a weapon work. The only nuclear device that could have actually worked at that size and weight is the W54 weapon, developed for the "Dave Crockett" system, which had a yield the equivalent of 10 or 20 tons of TNT. The W54 also had the advantage of actually being impact detonated (as it was an artillery shell). This is an EXTREMELY low number for a 20 ton (weight) device, less than 10,000 times LESS than the B41. Even the Hiroshima bomb was 1000 times larger! This all indicates that the big bomb was just a shell for a VERY little one, or the producers screwed up. The detonation from the W54 would not have been able to do very much damage at all. In addition, the W54 weighs 51 pounds, not something one could easily move around. Macfanpro 21:10, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think they "screwed up" as much as they "took artistic license". Not a single one of the bomb devices on the show was realistic in terms of the physics.  Robert K S   tell me  05:50, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree completely. Honestly, if the detonation sequence had been realistic, I would not have finished. I mean, there is only so much of people looking at a couple thousand wires that I can stand. Also, I made a mistake in assuming that the bomb was an implosion type device, but I think that it still would not work. But again, it is a lot less exiting if the entire show is made up of finding the dolly, putting the bomb on the dolly, putting the bomb on the dolly in the right place, disabling all the safeties, and detonating it in a painstaking sequence of pressing buttons a hundred miles away. Not interesting (if you are looking for entertainment). Oh, and yes, I am a nuclear geek. Macfanpro 18:06, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Did Jughead actually detonate? (post-finale) Edit

After the events of the finale, it seems to me that Jughead did not detonate. The timeline on the island continued without detonation and what was thought to be a flash-sideways timeline caused by the bomb turned out not to be so. If it did not detonate, the contents of this article and several others may need to changed. Sorry if this shouldn't be posted on a talk page, but I felt that it was more to do with the article than theory. Thanks, --EightyOne (talk) 22:27, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

• Totally agree. By the way you did put this in the proper place mate. :) --LOST-The Cartographer 23:09, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

The show was never clear on how exactly the characters created the Flash-sideways timeline. It's certainly possible that it was Jughead. It would mean that Daniel was basically correct, just not about the nature of the "other world." --DetectiveFork 20:43, June 9, 2010 (UTC)DetectiveFork

• It seems to me that Jughead somehow sealed the electromagnetic pocket temporarily in 1977 so DHARMA had time to build the Swan to carefully manage the release of electromagnetism. When Desmond turned the failsafe key, he managed to negate the energy just as Daniel had described 30 years earlier. I agree that that Jughead had nothing to do with the flash-sideways, but I believe that by the time the Swan was destroyed, then the bomb was detonated. --Dharmafolk 20:54, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
• It's never made fully clear that the Afterlife/Flash-Sideways timeline was or was not created by Jughead’s detonation. If Jughead sank the island, the light would go out, thus the resulting timeline would be one where nobody is actually alive, but if it didn’t detonate (or detonated and caused the incident) the survivors creating the Flash-Sideways in their minds after their deaths works too. I think any page referencing the effects of Jughead should note that it may be the cause of the Flash-Sideways existence or it may not, and pages describing the Reset needn’t be deleted. Christian’s words, “You all created this place together.” (or something along those lines) could be referring to their combined efforts to detonate Jughead, or to their post-death consciousnesses shaping the world. Stating that Jughead absolutely did or absolutely did not create the FST wouldn’t be proper as it would essentially be presenting theory and interpretation as fact. --Oyashenron 10:28, June 13, 2010 (UTC)Oyashenron
• It seems to me that the Afterlife timeline is VERY clear. It is not caused by anything, other than the eventual death of the characters, and their need to 'cross over' together. Given that we know that in the real world timeline (the only timeline) the Dharma initiative continued for many years after the incident. it seems very clear that Jughead could not have detonated, or if it did, the electromagnetism meant it was not a true thermonuclear blast, but rather that it served only to once more thrust our characters to a different place on the timeline. (Lukebunger 09:29, July 20, 2010 (UTC))
  • Christian says "this is the place you all made together, so that you could find each other." The purpose of the Jughead reset was not to create a timeline where they find each other. It was actually quite the opposite, so they would never meet. Sure, the Island being underwater in that timeline might be explained by the Jughead detonation in a world they created. They created this world, so they need a reason for the Island to be underwater...so they could explain it by saying they detonated the bomb. But that's a theory I have, it's not fact. And in my interpretation when Christian says "you call created together" he means the likes of Shannon, Boone, Desmond, Rose, Bernard. Everyone in the church, people who had nothing to do with the Jughead being detonated. The only effect of the bomb that the show ever confirms is "whatever happens, happens".--Baker1000 12:27, June 13, 2010 (UTC)