Contents 1 Locke can speak Italian (character traits) 2 Locke's Age 2.1 Real Age 3 Locke as "Jesus" 4 Users 66.42.111.209 66.42.54.105 85.178.211.81 (or whoever made about 100 edits today) please read this 5 Man of Mystery 6 Marlon Brando 7 Locke and Gale 8 Mystery stranger? 9 Not Pressing the Button? 10 Locke timeline 11 Meant to be taken by Gale? And what army? 12 Timeline 13 locke/boone <-> eko/locke parallel 14 The Phone Call 15 Last Flashback 16 Page needs a cleanup 17 Locke 18 Jonathan Locke 19 When did the 3x3 flashback take place? 20 Johnathan vs. Jonathan 21 "John" 22 The ritual in the sweat lodge 23 Unanswered Questions 24 Picture? 25 Rename to "John Locke" 26 Unavailability Notice! 27 UNANS Q 28 New Promotional Picture 29 I hate Locke 30 I can't believe it!! 31 Application for Disability Insurance Elective Coverage form 32 The guy in Hurley's Flashback 33 Psychological paralysis? 34 Mikhail murdered? 35 Locke: the Gandalf of LOST 36 Birthdate 37 Hair vs Baldness 38 One of our unanswered questions was answered... IN THE FIRST SEASON 39 scar 40 Style

Locke can speak Italian (character traits) Edit

Locke quoted Michelangelo ("sto lavorando" = "I'm working"), this doesn't mean he speaks Italian (though maybe he does), it reinforces the idea that Locke is well educated, with a mind for history and culture. Perhaps this should be changed.

--Rayne 20:55, 29 April 2006 (PDT)

This is true, many people know what "Carpe Diem" means and do not speak latin.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bhold1 (talk • contribs) .

Locke's Age Edit

In the episode "The 23rd Psalm", Locke makes a cryptic remark to Michael about being old enough for silent, serial movies. He doesn't say anything more than that. It got me to thinking that perhaps Locke is, in reality, much older than we've been led to believe. He'd have to be in his 80's or so to remember silent movies, I suppose.

- PowderedGold722

I'm not so sure about that. Locke is certainly enigmatic, but I don't think he's hiding any secrets like that. If he was I would expect him to know more than he does concerning Dharma and various island secrets. Whilst he puts his faith in the island, he doesn't seem to know much.

Sorry, poorly articulated.

--Rayne 20:55, 29 April 2006 (PDT)

His mum was born in 1940 so he couldnt remember silent films obviously!

--Blue eagle islander 22:48, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Where does the info that his mum was born in 1940 come from? That seems highly unlikely to me, since in 3x03 the paperwork for the guns he has in the back of his truck it is stated that he was born on 15 November 1946...

--Salocin 09:59, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

It comes from episode 1x19. Please see the article about her, in particular the screencap of the form. See also the discussion here on this page for why it is the date on the gun transfer form that is questionable when compared with the date on John Locke's driver's license. -- Cheers 10:33, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

Thanks for the clarification. I'm a German and not familiar with American driver's licences, so I didn't know that his DOB was visible. --Salocin 11:41, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

Real AgeEdit

there needs to be a discussion as to what Locke's real age is the Fire Arms paperwork shows his DOB as 11/15/1946 but if you notice his licence its shows his DOB in red as 5/30/1956 so the age of 58 on his page would be incorrect and his real age should be 48. --- wilsbadkarma 00:08 EDT 19, OCT 2006

Agreed. His mother was born in October 15, 1940, so it's highly illogical that she had little Johnathan at age 6. --Aero*Zeppelin 21:36, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

Also keep in mind that the current timeline puts him in 2004, not 2006. 2004-1956 = 48, 2004-1946=58. Terry O'Quinn's age doesn't help us much since he was born in 1952. Since his mother was born in 1940, it's highly unlikely that he was born in 1946, so that puts his age at 48 --   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 21:40, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

John's application for disability insurance form from "The Man from Tallahassee" confirms his birthdate as 5-30-1956.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 20:38, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Locke as "Jesus"Edit

Is Locke the "Jesus" charactor?

I'd say he's more like Joan of Arc thus far. --Circeus 14:08, 18 January 2006 (PST)

Oh, more like Joan of Arkidia? I really miss that show. --Monica

Really feel sorry for him, he sees all these things on a glimpse and has to try to remember them enough to even figure out something. We get screencaps and over-analysations and theories. --skks 22:57, 30 March 2006 (PST)

How would he be at all like Christ?C.m. 10:44, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

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Man of Mystery Edit

He's very tough and active for a guy his age with only one kidney.

Once on the island John seems to become the man he dreamed he was.

After several days of contemplation (avoiding hikes and exploration) he comes self assured and at peace with the situation and starts taking a lead.

He is a hunter and skilled with knives and rope. Its almost as if he has become the military man he claimed to be in his working life. As if the island has allowed him to fulfill his dreams.

He can track, kill and prepare game and gives off an air of knowing what he is doing in almost any situation at all. If someone makes a reference he can usually expand on it. His knowledge of books and cultures is especially notable.

He is often cryptic and seen as aloof from the others. He can be a disturbing character too. Seen in visions (with the black & white reference too) and the orange peel in the mouth smile in the pilot was an odd introduction.

His knives are an oddity. Why was he carrying them (if indeed he was) and if not... where did they come from and he is very capable with them.

He also shows everyone his knives up front as well and lets others (Kate has one) use them too.

His treatment of Boone is reckless to say the least.

MONSTER

When he, possibly, encountered the monster for the first time he seemed almost pleased to see it and certainly not afraid of it.

When he encounters, what we assume to be the (same) monster, for the second time in Exodus 2 he is frightened by what he saw. Which might indicate that there is more than one "monster" or that it has moods or states.

When he's being pulled into the ground he seems to think that the same monster wont now hurt him and that it is testing him or part of a test.

LEGS

As of this time we don't know how John lost the use of his legs and to what degree.

His legs are a strange point. Its possible it was a mental condition rather than physical... which make his transformation less mystical. I think there is a lot more to come with this guys past.

He seems to feel no pain in them, as demonstraighted by the wound he recieved when the trebucht failed.

They also fail him at the beechcraft, forcing Boone to make the climb. We are unsure of his motivation and the failure of his legs, it would be more suspicious if it hadn't continued after Boone was hurt. It appears that either the island or his own mind (possibly both together) give him the relapse.

Seems he can feel pain in his legs again.. well having a blast door impale one should do the trick... it is the top of his leg though this time. Once again its Locke's leg that cops the damage. He even seems to think he can't stand after hes released, possibly a throwback to his paralasis.

...If in fact Lock's parapelegia was/is psychosomatic, it means the other 'miracles' on the island could be false as well. Jin may simply be able to 'perform' better without the stress of his previous employer. Rose may still be dying of cancer. Etc. If/when this revelation is in fact revealed, that's gonna be an interesting day. ZachsMind 17:29, 18 April 2006 (PDT)

I like my theory that his parapalegia came from a malpractice operation from Jack's father. Or am I just going way out on a limb here? Anyone seriously disagree?bhold1

TRACKING

Found the hatch while tracking Ethan, or was lead to the hatch by Ethan's conveniently visible trail.

--MRNasher

I guess psychosomatic paralyzation is possible, if he was depressed enough, it's even likely. --skks 18:28, 9 March 2006 (PST)

Marlon BrandoEdit

It would seem that the shows producers have so far referenced Marlon Brando twice in the show, very early on when Locke is sitting on the beach he performs the Orange Peel trick Don Corleone does to entertain a child in the Godfather, and more interestingly at times when talking to Jack in episode 5, he not only looks but also sounds like Brando's Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now (Heart of Darkness). - Morrison 00.04 29 March (GMT).

The horror! IMO Locke's a bit too sane for being Kurtzy. Then again, he is The Colonel if I recall correctly that phonecall at the box-cutting office. --skks 02:13, 29 March 2006 (PST)

Locke and Gale Edit

I think Locke is being skillfully manipulated by the imprisoned Gale, since Gale has focused on him since he met the emotional wall that Jack puts up against his probing.

Its handy that Gale extracts a promise of 'protection' 'no matter what' from Locke while awaiting the return of the balloon search party. Also by helping Locke as he does he reinforces that trust they create in the whole Lockdown sequence.

--MRNasher

• It's interesting that Locke asked Gale "Who are you?" before agreeing to the "protect him no matter what". I took this to mean that Locke agreed to protect "Henry Gale" no matter what. Now that his cover's been blown, Locke may consider the promise void without going back on his word. --Uth 14:36, 30 March 2006 (PST)

It was one of those odd moments on Lost.. Locke tells Gale that as long as he is who he says he is then there will be no problem. Getting him to repeat it to his face is enough for Locke. I am sure that Locke will defend Gale now, partly to piss off Jack, especially since Gale was very helpful and potentially life saving for Locke.

Locke's promise was to 'protect' Gale 'no matter what' from his 'people' if Gale helps John with the blastdoors, not if he was who he says he is.

Even though he did act suspiciously by not talking to Locke after entering the vent and even his fall could be seen as a delay tactic; to heighten his worth to Locke by saving the day. If he knew that the button press was not that important he could use the situation to further gain Locke admiration. --MRNasher

If the Others had a file on Jack, they probably had one on Locke. Locke's entire history has shown that he's an easy mark for a con man. His dad conned him out of a kidney and into getting the money from the safety deposit box; Eddie told Locke he was selected because he was easy to coerce, and Sawyer played him perfectly when he stole the guns and medicine from the hatch. Ben knew Locke was the easist of the Lost leadership to con.

Mystery stranger? Edit

In the scene where Locke and his dad(?)go shooting, there appears to be a blurred figure in the distance on the horizon. Any ideas as to who this is?

Not Pressing the Button? Edit

To early to jump to that conclusion, especially with him resuming his button pushing post at the end of the episode. I think his frustration is a crisis of faith. In his talk with Rose - who clues him in that she also believes in the island's power - renews his faith and drives away the doubts planted by Henry. When he says "It's not my button," he could mean he's minding someone else's button. --absalom

It would seem from Gale's smile at Locke's frustration that hes happy to have added doubt back into the the button pushing exercise and possibly because he now thinks that they will not not push the button. Only problem is with that is.. why whould it have to be one of the survivors to not push the button.. after all he could have just not-pushed the button himself (if indeed he did). On the other hand it might be that not pushing the button multiple times increases some effect.. something he could only guarentee if the survivors become blasé about the situation. --MRNasher

Is it just me or did it seem that the timer didn't tick until the 'execute' button was released? --skks 07:03, 13 April 2006 (PDT)

I noticed that too.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 07:09, 13 April 2006 (PDT)

Locke timeline Edit

Please see Talk:Pre-crash timeline#Locke to help fill in the dates of Locke's pre-crash life. --Pedxing 13:37, 26 April 2006 (PDT)

Meant to be taken by Gale? And what army? Edit

I altered the bit where it said that Locke was meant to be taken by Gale. I think HG is lying about that and is attempting to manipulate Locke yet again. We've seen the others act in groups before when attempting to take people. I don't see how HG could hope to do it alone, especially since he seemed unarmed. It seems that if they really wanted Locke, they could have easily gotten him in "The Hunting Party". --Uth 19:45, 3 May 2006 (PDT)

I agree. I think Gale is enjoying toying with Locke, probably for a specific reason. I am sure that Gale is a plant. He's there to gather information or sow decent.. i am sure he has a mission. Myabe hes even a test for Michael. To prove his loyalty as a spy. He can run home now and let everyone know that Michael is theirs and killed for them. After all the best spy is one you can trust. --MRNasher

Maybe he wasn't sent to kidnap Locke but to recruit him. After all Ethan was hanging around with Locke too. Maybe he would have wound up putting out feelers to Locke if his mission hadn't been interrupted.--Tricksterson 09:46, 4 May 2006 (PDT)

Timeline Edit

We don't really know that his life happened in the 90s and 2000s, as there is no official year on the show. Anyone with me on this? Perhaps it could be changed to something more ambivalent. YouPunchIBite

The official crash date was in 2004; therefore, a timeline can be established with little ambivalence. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 03:49, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

locke/boone <-> eko/locke parallel Edit

just rewatching ? and there's an interesting little parallel there - the locke knocking out boone and discovering the plane... and then eko knocking out locke and rediscovering the same place in a totally different way... --kaini 19:34, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

The Phone Call Edit

Received a cryptic phonecall to the box company office: "Colonel Locke, is this line secure?" Locke looks around and says, "Line secure." "The target area is secure and maneuvers are a go for 1300 hours. I always persumed that it was one of his workmates talking about RISK, as 1300 is a general lunchtime (Mikey 02:24, 17 May 2006 (PDT))

Exactly. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 03:52, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

Of course it is! He calls the person on the phone GL12. Then when playing he again refers to his buddy as GL12.

Last Flashback Edit

Sure, there weren't any Locke flashbacks in the season finale, but were there on "Three Minutes"? What i'm saying is that he *did* appear in Desmond's flashback. So i say, his last flashback appearance is in "Live together, Die alone", just like Jack. So, if everybody agrees, I'm going to change that back --Esragiv

Locke is visible talking to Michael in flashback in Three Minutes. If you can point me to a scene in Live Together, Die Alone where Desmond converses with Locke in flashback (it being a Desmond-centric episode), I'll happily concede the point. (obviously the 'previously on LOST' intro being an exception). kaini. 21:23, 5 June 2006 (PDT)

I think they are actually both poor examples of last fb. I thought the purpose of that was to tell when there were flashbacks that revealed information about the character before they crashed. Pointing to fb events on the island doesn't seem right somehow. I think it should be reverted to the last fb that shows events before the crash. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 03:52, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

Desmond does not speak to Locke, but we can see and hear him in the scene where he's punching the hatch door. Now, I don't think Desmond actually saw him, but he did appear in the flashback. About neither being good examples... well, it's last flashback appearance, not last centric episode. --Esragiv

Page needs a cleanup Edit

the about locke section is not consistent with the format of other pages devoted to main characters. two options here; i think they're equally good...

1. add the section to the other pages; an 'about kate' (ie kate's places would fit nicely here), 'about jack' etc section could be a pretty nice addition to the articles in question.
2. merge the about locke stuff into the rest of the article in some way.

either way the locke page needs a major cleanup... kaini. 19:15, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

The theories section on this page is huge compared to other main characters such as Jack and Kate. I'm going to try make it more 'to the point' and shorten it down a bit. Thunderous503 9:59, 23 August 2006

I also re-wrote the about locke section in an essay style that goes with the majority of the article. Thunderous503 10:13, 23 August 2006

Locke Edit

He mentions he was a webelo(sp?) (between a boyscout and a cubscout) to Sayid. Said he wasn't the most popular kid. He also said to his mother that he was in 'a lot' of foster homes, but what about the episode with Sawyer chasing the boar? He mentions there about when his sister died a dog came to the house for '5 years' and his mother thought it was her telling her it wasn't her fault. Then the dog left when she passed away. Also very creepy when his mom says 'You were a design, this is the begining of things to come', despite knowing she was helping con him, the design thing is kinda creepy.

Locke was meaning one of his foster mothers.--CaptainInsano

Jonathan Locke Edit

His papers showed his name not to be John, but Jon or Jonathan Locke in tonights episode. --Aleahey 19:19, 18 October 2006 (PDT)

• Actually, it's "Johnathan", which is a lesser used spelling. Noted in the Trivia section. Joelvanatta 19:51, 18 October 2006 (PDT)
• 'Jonathan' is correctly spelled J-O-N-A-T-H-A-N. Misspellings are common on gov't forms. My 1040 comes every year addressed to 'Johathan'

Both are valid names, so surely we should go by what the screen cap says. -Chris^[dt7] 12:33, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Googling "Johnathan" turns up three and a half million results. It's possible that the form has a mistake, but since that's the only time we've seen his full name spelled out on the show, it makes more sense to assume (until evidence otherwise appears) that he just uses the less common spelling. --Minderbinder 13:43, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Google also offers the correction 'Did you mean: Jonathan' The spelling here should be corrected.

who uses google? and does it matter what google says? they could get it wrong too you know.--Countdown 14:35, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

Cabin Fever flashbacks stated his mother chose the name John —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robertson.danny (talk • contribs) 2008-05-13T13:35:38.

When did the 3x3 flashback take place? Edit

It seems to me like it took place before the dad/Helen ones, it'd be the earliest chronologically of Locke's. I didn't notice anything that would indicate it took place between the "Lockdown" and "Walkabout" flashbacks... unless I'm missing something obvious like his bald spot, I don't know.--Piscez 07:24, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

I was wondering that myself, I don't think if we know for sure. He does make a comment that his dad's not worth talking about, but that may be a reference to his adopted family. My wife commented that he seems like he has less hair than in the episodes with Helen, which would make it seem later. Probably after Helen but before box company, but can't be certain. --Minderbinder 07:56, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

• Comparing:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=273 http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1024&pos=14 They seem about the same. --Piscez 09:07, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

I'm trying to remember... had Locke said he hunted ever (or even used a gun) before his father took him out hunting in Deus Ex Machina? I had assumed during the episode that the flashbacks in Further Instructions came after Helen left him but, of course, before working at the box company. His knowledge and use of guns could have come from his father initially. -- Dreamy Perfection 19:25, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

he didn't, but at the same time his interest in all things military (phone conversation, RISK at lunchtime, etc) might suggest that he had an interest in hunting prior to that. it would fit. --kaini. 19:31, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

It's difficult to tell when, exactly, this flashback takes place. Seems to me that this flashback definitely took place after his Dad stole his kidney, and possibly after his life with Helen. He mentions, while saying grace at the picnic table, that his "family" in the hippie-commune has helped him with his anger. He didn't seem to get much use out of the anger management sessions, where he first met Helen. One thing's for sure though, it took place before his time at the box company, since his legs still work. Perhaps he learned all of his hunting and tracking skills at the commune; it was always a mystery before, and he seemed to have no interest in such things while he and Helen were still involved. (EDIT: And was it just me, or was John never without a hat throughout the entire flashback? Makes it awfully hard to place it on the timeline by his hair alone; I bet the writers did that on purpose. :) ) --Shodan1138 20:17, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

I place the time of this flashback as somewhere between 1995/1996, after the oklahoma city bombing in late 1994. It was after that police and federal agencies started to really investigate domestic cults and communes and worry about fertilizer bombs. --Guitarzan8 24:45, 19 October 2006 (EST)

The flashback takes place sometime in late 1994 based on the date on Eddie's paperwork and the fact that Jan says "they got him fresh out of the academy." you can see a close up of this on the tailsection.com-- Guitarzan8 2:15, 20 October 2006

Bastards made it this ambiguous just to screw with our minds! We're playing right into it! --Piscez 06:35, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

I thought that when John said "I am a hunter, I was a hunter...", that it placed the flashback sometime after he hunted with his dad.--Moss Ryder 18:06, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

• But he already knew how to hunt then... IIRC his dad asked him if he liked to hunt, and Locke seemed unsure, but it seemed to already knew how to... --Piscez 06:04, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

When questioned about his dad, he states "nothing worth talking about," which to me indicates it is after the trouble he had with his father. When asked if he'd robbed a bank, he jokes "afraid so" which could be a reference to the money he got for his father. I'd assume this flashback took place after all of the early ones and before the "Walkabout" flashback.

As he also claims they cured his anger, it seems illogical that it was placed before he had anger issues, which puts it at least after "Orientation". Helen is nowhere in sight so it must be after they break-up. I'd say it's pretty safe to say it's the most recent excluding "Walkabout". --Paulus2 00:44, 23 October 2006 (GMT)

Johnathan vs. JonathanEdit

• I believe the name should be "Jonathan". In the absence of specific direction on spelling from official sources, the standard spelling is usually "Jonathan". Hence: Jonathan "John" Locke should be the title. However I'm not certain, so I'll hold off with a rename template. -- ^Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  ^Talk 18:36, 19 October 2006 (PDT)
• i agree with this --kaini. 19:11, 19 October 2006 (PDT)
  • although - how is it spelt in the ID visible in Further Instructions? i guess that's the crux of the matter here --kaini. 19:14, 19 October 2006 (PDT)
    • We HAVE "specific direction on spelling from official sources". It was shown onscreen on a document on the show. It's going a bit far to suggest that the creators of the show would provide a spelling and intend that it's a typo. This has already been discussed above on this page. --Minderbinder 07:41, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

also, related point...

"John"Edit

• do we really need this? in my opinion the article should be named [[Jo(h)nathan Locke]], and appropriate redirects put in place. the "john" is implied in the jo(h)nathan, in fairness. see also Edward F. "Eddie" Colburn, where i think the same principle should apply. --kaini. 19:11, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

I renamed both articles and I was following precedent set by Katherine "Kate" Austen. Redirects are in place for both John and Eddie. I suppose the "John" isn't completely necessary, as we don't also do this for Benjamin Linus. What does everyone else think. There is no official policy on this matter. --   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 08:15, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

Everyone calls him John, just as everyone calls Benjamin Ben, so I think the Ben article for a start should be renamed to Benjamin "Ben" Linus. -Chris^[dt7] 09:02, 20 October 2006 (PDT)

Could really do with some opinions here, folks... personally i'd like to remove the "Kate", "John", "Eddie" etc. bits from page titles. redirects will remain, and send people looking for the page in the right direction. it's just extraneous information. --kaini. 18:25, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

Would we also do the same for James "Sawyer" Ford? I don't really care as long as its consistent. We could add a section to the infobox for AKA's. --   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 18:29, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

damn, that's a tricky one... we all (apart from the others, it seems) know and love him as sawyer. i guess it would have to be for consistency's sake. actually with the added bit in the infobox, i guess so. why not? --kaini. 18:43, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

I'm fine with how it is now. It has both their full name and nickname, which seems like a good solution. --Minderbinder 06:14, 22 October 2006 (PDT)

The ritual in the sweat lodge Edit

• Where Locke learned this kind of ritual? He eat something, maybe heroin?
• In others episodes someone (the horse, Dave,etc.) appears spontaneously, now John can ask the island to talk to him.
• The island is in disagreement with the "others" if it let John save his friends.

It wasn't heroin, where would he have gotten it, the statues are in the ocean, nor was he shown with one. It's presumably the same glop he used on Boone--Tricksterson 11:48, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

Unanswered Questions Edit

Perhaps he escape from the Swan (and Des, Eko and Charlie) simply running away a few seconds before the station imploted. --Digicon 09:53, 24 October 2006 (PDT)

"Why was he carrying a lots of big knives in a metal suitcase? How could he get them into the plane?" - Hasn’t this already been answered? He was going on a bush survival/ walkabout course and he checked them into hold luggage. Backdooruk 07:49, 11 January 2007 (PST)

Picture? Edit

I'm not too fond of the current main image for this article, which is Locke's Season 3 promo pic. I mean seriously, you can hardly even see his face! Just because this is the newest pic doesn't mean it's neccessarily the best, and I, for one, would rather revert it to his old Season 2 promo image. Anyone agree?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wstonefi (talk • contribs) 23:46, 24 October 2006.

Perhaps it just needs to be cropped a bit. After all it is a high res picture, only issue is the 5 inch border of trees around him. I would offer to do it but my computer, with a decent photo editor, crashed. --KeriCanFly 11:46, 28 October 2006 (PDT)

Rename to "John Locke" Edit

I really see no valid reason for this article to be titled 'Johnathan "John" Locke', it really isn't unnecessary to use his birth name for the name of the article. If you've ever been to Wikipedia before, you would know that articles about people are titled by the names that they are best known by, for example: Malcom X (born as Malcolm Little), Eminem (born Marshall Bruce Mathers III), Chuck Norris (born Carlos Ray Norris), Mr. T (born Laurence Tureaud), Don Knotts (born Jesse Donald Knotts), and J. R. R. Tolkien (full name John Ronald Reuel Tolkien). The purpose of the title of an article is not to disclose the full name of the person that it is about, that information is something that belongs in the infobox next to "Name". Therefore, I propose that the name of this article be changed from 'Johnathan "John" Locke', back to 'John Locke' --Nahald 15:19, 31 October 2006 (PST)

Or even just "Locke". No other fan ever really seems to call him 'John' (or even characters, come to think of it, unless they are being a little patronising). --Andyroo316 06:30, 1 November 2006 (PST)

I agree if only on the reason that some articles go overboard with this naming formula. Just look at Eddie, not a lot of background is given about him and his name grossly overshadows the article itself. To me, I really don't care what a character's middle or last name is unless it has a bearing on the story. --Mr Vain 06:42, 1 November 2006 (PST)

I was able to find an article at Wikipedia on properly titling articles about people: Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). I think that this is evidence enough that this article, as well as other articles here at Lostpedia, are inappropriately named and should be named for the first and last name that they are commonly known by in the show. --Nahald 13:20, 1 November 2006 (PST)

Agree. Lostpedia article naming conventions should be conformed to Wikipedia conventions, which are reasonable, clear, and have already been through the consensus process (saving us the hassle over here). In particular, for people, pages should be named with the most familiar, shortest unambiguous version of the person's name, and any longer (or alternate) versions of the person's name should be included in bold in the introductory paragraph of the article. Under this convention the best name for this article would be John Locke. Robert K S 11:17, 8 November 2006 (PST)

I agree with the renaming, however you should keep in mind that Lostpedia is not Wikipedia and all of the rules, policies, and guidelines do not apply here. Lostpedia uses the Mediawiki software, however it is in no way related to the Wikimedia Foundation or its projects. Citing a Wikipedia policy may help your argument in some cases, however it is not the final word in the matter. --   Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 14:02, 14 November 2006 (PST)

Agree for exactly the reasons given. TortureMeSayid 11:48, 8 November 2006 (PST)

I agree with the agreements. Revert it to John Locke! --Amberjet11 12:22, 8 November 2006 (PST)

super-strong agree: i've expressed this sentiment before. see also Katherine "Kate" Austen, and that undercover guy from Further Instructions - my take is that articles should be named by the names in common usage amongst fans as opposed to that on their passport or whatever.. --kaini. 22:01, 12 November 2006 (PST)

Well, I'm glad that I have some people that agree with me, but my proposal seems to have gone relatively unnoticed. Perhaps I should post something about it on the Lostpedia forums, seeing seeing as how this is an issue for other Lostpedia articles as well. --Nahald 10:45, 12 November 2006 (PST)

Unavailability Notice!Edit

Starting tom, I'll be away from Lostpedia for my exams week, to be back right on Dec 15th to proceed with my halted rewrite for this article. C u all soon :)--

Good luck with the exams.  ODK Talk   Sandbox 16:17, 5 December 2006 (PST)

Thanks :)-- 16:18, 5 December 2006 (PST)

UNANS Q Edit

While Locke is dragging himself up the escalator using his arms ("Further Instructions"), the same noise provoked by the monster (when he is being dragged through the jungle by the monster) can be heard ("Exodus: Part 2"): is this sound somehow connected to his past and to his paralysis?

Erm,.. why exactly? Could somebody clear this up for me? --lewisg 07:39, 9 January 2007 (PST)

New Promotional Picture Edit

Most of the characters got new promotional pictures. Which picture should be displayed on Locke's page - the old one or the new one? Personally, I prefer the new one.  ODK Talk   Sandbox 18:16, 16 January 2007 (PST)

New one hands down.--CaptainInsano 19:01, 16 January 2007 (PST)

Ya, so much more Locke than the happy smiley one. --Mr.Leaf 19:11, 16 January 2007 (PST)

I hate Locke Edit

Dear Mr. Locke:

That's the second hatch you wreck man!! ...the books... the equipment... EVERYTHING!!..You are the cause that none of us know nothing about the mysteries of the dharma ini. Just sit still and ... DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING!!!!

• Had a few too many did ya mate? Personally, I like Locke. Lest we forget what he did for the survivers back in Season 1. -- Iron Man  Send a message  View contributions  12:37, 2 May 2007 (PDT)

I can't believe it!! Edit

Anthony pushed Locke out a window! It's unbelievable!! JoelVanAtta 19:56, 21 March 2007 (PDT)

Application for Disability Insurance Elective Coverage form Edit

I've been looking at the form that the govt worker was looking at - comparing pics at Lost-Media with the real form at http://www.edd.ca.gov/taxrep/de1378di.pdf. Two things struck me: 1.The prop title has been altered with the 'Elective Coverage' whited out, and 2.The word 'Telephone' appears in the space where Locke describes the type of service, type of contracting, or product sold by his business. Unless this is just a prop error, Locke must have been involved in some kind of telephone-related business at this stage in his life. Interesting huh? --Kivipat

Update: its 'Telephone Sales' according to this cap --Kivipat

The guy in Hurley's Flashback Edit

Could have been Locke the guy that "jump" from Hurley's accountant building?? or do i have the timeline all wrong???

Anyway.... that would be a weird connection.... - --JS4815 23:42, 26 March 2007

that is very plausible - platypusrex 17:26 (PT) 7 April 2007

Doesn't work, Cooper was in more of an apartment complex, while Hurley was in an office. Plus, Locke was paralyzed for 4 years, so the timeline doesn't match up. Finally, the writers said in a podcast that Locke was not seen falling from Hurley's window. - Doom85

Psychological paralysis? Edit

Several people have mentioned how Locke wasn't in a back brace when he was in the hospital after the fall in The Man From Tallahassee. Is it possible his paralysis was psychological -- out of depression/fear/trauma, etc.? Maybe the crash was a jump-start, that is, he had nothing to fear anymore, and thus he was healed. Just my three cents. --Amberjet11 12:35, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

No, Locke's paralysis was definitely physical. He told Ben "I felt my back break." And I don't think his recovery was psychological (because the paralysis was not); it was the island's mojo that healed him.C.m. 10:46, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

Mikhail murdered? Edit

Hi, I refer to a discussion I started on the Mikhail Bakunin article where it stated he was "murdered" by Locke. The same statement appears here. Whilst there are some differences of opinion on whether or not it was Locke's intention to kill Bakunin when he pushed him through the Sonic Barrier (I personally do not believe it was), we should remain factual and refrain from libellous accusations of homicide until we get any evidence to the contrary. "Innocent until proven guilty", n'est-ce pas? I have edited this page accordingly. If anyone feels this is wrong, please discuss. Thanks. --Roger workman 01:03, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Just want to say I agree. In addition to "innocent until proven guilty", there is the more important matter of NPOV (neutral point of view). "Murder" is a moral and/or legal judgement that depends on motive and intention and is out of the boundaries of NPOV. Let's just describe the action itself and let the viewer judge the meaning of the action for themselves. Motives, intentions, and moreal and legal judgements should be left to discussion and theories pages unless explicitly stated in the show.--Jackdavinci 06:21, 22 April 2007 (PDT)

I think it's clear that Locke's intent was to use Mikhail to determine if the fence was harmless, dangerous, or lethal. He threw Mikhail through the fence to see if he would die. It's no different than shooting someone to determine if the gun is loaded with blanks or bullets, or force-feeding someone to determine if the food was posionous. It's gross indifference to human life.C.m. 10:44, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

Mikhail claimed the sonic fence to be lethal, a claim that could be easily enough tested in other ways, most obviously by throwing a small animal into the covered area. Therefore it was a clear situation of attempted murder. It would be criminal disregard for human life if he had no other way of testing the fence, however. That Mikhail later turned up unexplainably enough does not really factor into the equation until and unless we find out that Locke was somehow aware that Mikhail could survive that situation (which, frankly, he couldn't). On other matter, is Lostpedia supposed to be NPOV? This is not Wikipedia, after all. Luis Dantas 03:19, 9 August 2007 (PDT)

Locke: the Gandalf of LOSTEdit

Mark my words, Locke will die and be reborn. And the new Locke will be glorious.C.m. 10:44, 11 May 2007 (PDT)

• well the dead part may have come true. *sob* Mia 20:48, 14 May 2007 (PDT)

Birthdate Edit

Added John's Birthdate November 15th 1946, was watching further instructions when the cop pulled him over there was a frame of his registration papers for the guns. Nothing else of interest in it though =/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spheritic (talk • contribs), 08:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

You should read this discussion page. =/ -- Cheers (talk) 08:02, 13 May 2007 (PDT)

Hair vs BaldnessEdit

Why did Locke lose his hair? Should hair grow back on the island? If so, why does Locke fail to grow back hair? When did Locke's hair fall out? --Victorcoutin 05:08, 15 May 2007 (PDT)

• Age does that to a person. As for hair growing back on the island. Hell, Jack's doesn't even grow :) BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 06:45, 15 May 2007 (PDT)

• • haveing you back spinal cord severed tend you are then to make you a PARAPLEGIC, that tends to happen, but this island we now know has properties to change locke's phyciscal condition, and you already know that, why be a brick?? --Victorcoutin 19:07, 10 June 2007 (PDT)

• • • It's a joke. But maybe the island only works on BIG things (like having your back spinal cord severed). I'm sure Locke would choose having his legs work than his hair back. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 19:24, 10 June 2007 (PDT)

• If you don't have a better answer than that, i'm afraid that is pretty much the same as no answer. 'maybe' this 'maybe' that, so what. i ask a legitimate question, it doesn't deserve joke answers or 'maybes'.--Victorcoutin 19:30, 10 June 2007 (PDT)

• I would strongly suggest you read Apophenia. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 07:39, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

• i read the link, there are no reference in that web page to hair or healing, or anything to do with the island's ability to restore damaged organs and diseased or injured physical tissue, i don't see any point in what you say. mr crabby i am beginning to think you are full of nonsense and illogical! --Victorcoutin 10:19, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

• The article is about over analyzing and seeing patterns and such when there are none there. Also, saying I'm "full of nonsense" and that Bettyfizzw is a "brick" could qualify as a personal attack. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 10:24, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

if you think that the a response to someone ridiculing my question as betty did by asking her why was she being a brick, which she copped to ewhen she called her own answer a joke, or that a suggestion that my opinion of you is possibly of your answers to my legitimate questions being nonsensicle is a personal attack, then you are the one who is attacking. either your answer makes sense or not. it cant manke sense and not sense at the same time. that is fac not attack. if you are being silly on purpose like bettyfiz why not just admit it like she did. stop attacking me. you are the one who keeps deleting stuff i post without either any explanation or a one or two word remark that supposeldy served as an explaination without ever even discussing anything. you are the one who is attacking by focusing on me unfairly. you are really really being unfair and nonconcommital. i don't think my querie that the island is healing the nerve cells of a spinal cord but not the much less complex cells of hair follicles is "over analysing" and you don't have any fact or loghic to support thatt it is perfectly reasonable to assume that these strange healing properties are holistic, and much less reasonable to assume (as you seem to be doin) that the healing properties are selective. you are the one who is being too analytical, as it is more of a complex stretch of the imaginations to try then to figuyre that the healing property picks and chooses when and how and what to heal, rather than it is a simple healing property. you are the over analyser and you are really spending lots of time covering up your failure to recognize the obvious by attacking others, like me. just give up and leave my questions alone , YOU PERSONAL ATTACER!!!! mr. Crabby it is a personal attack to falsley accuse me of personal attack. --Victorcoutin 13:21, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

Look, I'm not accusing you of a personal attack, I'm just warning you not to say things like "I'm beginning to think you're full of nonsense". I tryed to leave edit summaries and apologize if I haven't for all my edits. I'm not trying to target you. I was monitoring recent changes as I had nothing else to do. I don't see how I was "over analysing" things. Also, I'm not trying to be silly or making light of your question. I have and will try to be friendly toward you and other editers. Although I'm tempted to act on things you've said about me such as I'm "spending lots of time covering up your failure" I will end this conversation here. --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 14:01, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

Good, I will take that as your way of saying I can repost the question with no further interference. Thank you. Email me or post on my talk page the next time you want to delete something of mine Crabby. --Victorcoutin 19:07, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

I'm sorry to get involved with this, but I don't understand this whole discussion. It seems to be blown out of all proportion. You ask (in your question) why hair follicles haven't healed; this implies there is something wrong with them - something to fix. People lose hair as they get older. It's a fact. I think that, really, it's not a mystery about his hair, and was never intended to be one. --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  23:36, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

• Everyone needs to take a step back here and stop the "edit war". I can see both sides to this argument and I do think it warrants CIVIL discussion, but I don't think this topic belongs exclusively on the John Locke page, but rather on the page for the the island's healing properties. There are several other cases already stated their already for things that haven't been healed by the island. Also, this shouldn't focus entirely on hair loss. Other questions come to mind such as "Why do some characters still have scars?" and "Why do Sawyer and Ben still need reading glasses?" You could even go so far as to ask why Hurley and other characters are still a bit overweight. My opinion is to keep this question off the John Locke page and move it to a more appropriate section on the healing properties article, but not limit it to just hair loss. Expand the question, without making it silly.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 11:01, 12 June 2007 (PDT)

• Thank you. Sounds like plan. --Vic 11:53, 12 June 2007 (PDT)

One of our unanswered questions was answered... IN THE FIRST SEASON Edit

Where did John Locke get his tracking and knife-throwing abilities?

During "Hearts and Minds" in the middle of season 1, John Locke states to Sayid that he was a Weebalo when he was Walt's age, meaning that he was moving up the boyscout ranks. On his way up the ranks as a boyscout, he would have had to learn tracking, hunting, and knife skills that include knife throwing. Just thought I'd point that out. Does this mean it can be removed from the questions page?

--DUbblecoMB 16:12, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

Having recently been a Webelos myself, I must say that throwing knives are not included in the Webelos curriculum, and so I say that it is still an open question. However, he may have learned some from his hunting trips with Cooper. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  17:25, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

I think most of the 'unanswered questions' that people post are just points of their own curiosity, and not really profound, plot-relevant questions. This is one of those (IMO), so I wouldn't miss it if it were deleted. He could have picked up those skills anywhere. He could learn how to track from a book, and he could learn how to throw a knife in his own backyard. If he was planning a walkabout tour he would have researched and practiced all those things, but is the question really relevant to anything? We don't know how he lost his hair either (technically an "unanswered question"), but do we need to care? All that being said, I have to agree with Sam; Webelos and Boy Scouts might teach tracking, but they do not teach knife-throwing, so if it qualified as "unanswered" back then, it still qualifies.--Bonefishj0e 18:20, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

scar Edit

Do we know when he got the scar(s) by his eye? —Tamfang 01:21, 3 April 2008 (PDT)

• Most likely from the crash. BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 14:42, 3 April 2008 (PDT)
• In the first episode, the scar is a freshly bleeding cut. --Jackdavinci 21:41, 3 April 2008 (PDT)

Style Edit

The article is terribly messed up. While Season 1-2 info is all written in past tense, in Season 3 it suddenly switches to present and remains that way through all Season 4 till the Cabin Fever, which is strangely enough not described at all, except for the flashback. If no one objects, I suggest a major rewrite Malachi 11:41, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

Character articles should be written in past tense. LP:MOS Robert K S (talk) 11:42, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

Alright, I made a rewrite. Looks like whoever was making previos edits simply copypasted info from episode synopsises, which are written in present Malachi 13:42, 10 May 2008 (PDT)