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under duress?[]

Does the article really need to say that Sun gave birth to her "under duress?" Has a woman ever given birth to a baby and not been under duress? I'm gonna edit it out for nowCononach 19:46, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

translation[]

I've seen "Ji Yeon" translated as either "wisdom flowers" or "heavenly patience". Anyone have a better translation? --Jackdavinci 07:33, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

From what I gather, the Hangul for her name is "지연" which translate to "delay" at altavista and "delayed" at google, but these translators aren't that reliable so we should wait for someone who knows Korean to determine a potential meaning. Jackieboy 13:29, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

isn't an "answered question" the explenation the oceanic 6 gave for ji yeon's date of conception? since she was conceived 1 month after the crash (if juliet's right) she would be born 10 months after jin supposedly died (if pregnency lasted 9 and not 7 months).

First appearance[]

First appearance is down as D.O.C.. Does her appearance inside Sun really count as her first appearance? I would have thought Ji Yeon would be more suitable. Passingtramp 10:44, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

Korean language characters[]

Can someone render Ji-Yeon's name in Korean language characters like we have for Sun and Jin? Thank you! Clover 22:31, 17 March 2008 (PDT)

Done. I don't actually speak Korean, but I know the alphabet. Her name in Korean would be 권 지연. Incidentally, Koreans put their family name first, so her name is Kwon Ji Yeon (or Kwon Ji-yeon), not Ji Yeon Kwon. Given that she was born in Korea and is being raised there, there's really no reason for her name to be Westernised. The page should be moved to Kwon Ji Yeon. (Yes, I'm still annoyed at them for saying 'Sun-hwa Kwon" instead of "Paik Sun-hwa", which is what it should be...) Aridd 17:09, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

Age[]

I've changed her age from "born 2005" to "born July 2005". The child was according to D.O.C, concieved on day 32 (23. october 2004), which would make Sun's due date in late July.--Lilduff90 13:49, 1 May 2008 (PDT)

I would change it back maybe. Only because it never said July for sure. Maybe by the time it does we can chang it back.--Shaman 00:39, 14 June 2008 (PDT)

Hanja[]

I only know Hangul not Hanja. So if anyone does can they write the name in Hanja please do. --Shaman 00:40, 14 June 2008 (PDT)

It must be 智蓮. 智 means intelligence and wisdom in Korean and pronounced as 'ji'. And 蓮 means lotus and pronounced as 'yeon'. Koreans usually use 蓮 for names standing for flowers.--Solen 06:18, 5 July 2008 (PDT)

Suggested move[]

I suggest moving the article to Kwon Ji Yeon. Koreans put their family name first. Ji Yeon was born and raised in Korea ; there seems to be no reason to put her name the wrong way round. Aridd 21:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Disagree as per the precedent set by Sun-Hwa Kwon and Jin-Soo Kwon --LeoChris 17:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Disagree, per above. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 18:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
    • If Lostpedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, why would it want to provide incorrect information? Ji Yeon has never been called "Ji Yeon Kwon" on screen. To call her such is simply incorrect. It would be the same as calling the President of South Korea "Myung-bak Lee", the leader of North Korea "Jong-il Kim" or the Secretary-General of the UN "Ki-moon Ban". It would be wrong, and would just sound silly. Incidentally, when Danielle asks Jin to identify himself (5x04), he gives his name (correctly) as "Kwon Jin-soo", not as "Jin-soo Kwon". As far as I can recall, it's the only time one of the Korean characters cite their full name on screen. I'm not sure what the original justification was for calling the articles "Sun-hwa Kwon" and "Jin-soo Kwon" rather than putting them the right way round, but I'd have thought that the correct way of doing things, combined with a character's self-identification on screen, would have some bearing. Aridd 10:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
    • Edit: I've just seen in the history page that she's called "Ji Yeon Kwon" in press releases. All right, then... I assume press releases take priority, even if they provide incorrect information? (grumbles) Lost is notorious for getting even simple things wrong when it comes to foreign languages and societies. Aridd 10:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Removed question[]

"Anyone born on the Island had a special gift, does Ji Yeon have a gift too?" Firstly, do they really? I only recall Miles being (possibly) born on the Island and having a 'gift'. But anyway, Ji Yeon wasn't born on the Island, she was just conceived on it. --Golden Monkey 18:13, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

This is a theory re-posed as a UQ and is not appropriate. UQs are mysteries of the show and should begin with a question word, not a argumentative premise.  Robert K S   tell me  19:30, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

4 or 5 appearances[]

She appeared in "Ji Yeon" in Sun's flash-forwards, in "There's No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3" when she talks to Sun on the phone, in "The Lie" when Sun shows pictures of her to Kate, in "This Place Is Death" again when she talks to Sun on the phone and in "The Package" on the pictures on Sun's camera. Should we count "The Lie" as her third appearance? If so she now qualifies for a recur status. Also if Ji Yeon counted for "The Lie" and "The Package", we should count Nadia for "LA X, Part 1", "Walkabout" and "Numbers" and Eloise for "Catch-22". --Orhan94 20:34, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Pictures never have counted on the site so no. -- B1G CZYGS  Talk  Contribs  20:39, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
"Never"? I remember counting Nadia as appearing in the listed episodes and Eloise as appearing in Catch-22 very well, but looking through their articles' edit history it was probably removed after a discussion about it. Never the less, unlike "The Lie" an actress was certainly required to do the photo shoot for Sun's camera so I think we should still list "The Package" as her appearance. --Orhan94 15:28, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmation on Jaymie Kim[]

Has there been any confirmation on whether or not Jaymie Kim was the child in the photographs seen in "The Package"?

Sonograms[]

Thoughts on counting her "appearance" in "D.O.C."? --- Balk Of Fametalk 22:11, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ooooh, this all comes down to when you think the human life begins. Is it at conception or birth, or at some point along the pregnancy? The only other instance we have for comparison is Aaron. Do we count his appearance in "What Kate Does" when Claire sees him on the ultrasound? Perhaps it's a different case since that was the flash-sideways and all, but there's another argument for another page. I think we should make it consistent with Aaron if we count his appearance in that episode. Here's another thought though - as far as I know we count appearances of people who appear on TV monitors, such as Mikhail in "The Cost of Living" or Widmore in "The Other Woman". This is really the same thing, albeit only through a scan and not actual footage. It really does come down to when you believe life starts. I think we should since she is actually a living thing, if you get what I mean...--Baker1000 23:25, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
Or if that's too controversial, maybe a compromise with "D.O.C." (Sonogram) and "Ji Yeon" (Birth) in the first appearance field.--Baker1000 23:37, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

If an unborn's sonogram counts, what about when Aaron kicks inside Claire? Yeah, I don't even know if I'm joking. But complicating matters further, we currently count corpses as appearances. So the question might not actually be "when does life start" (because we don't care when it ends) but "whether or not that fetus is alive, and whether or not it has a soul (souls exist on Lost, and corpses DON'T have them), do we consider it Ji-Yeon?" --- Balk Of Fametalk 23:49, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, it will get complicated when you think of it. I also thought the same about corpses, they're not living yet we still count them. For the sake of keeping everyone from having a headache, I say we should just count actual human bodies as an appearance, meaning video footage but not sonograms. Or is that contradictory?--Baker1000 12:12, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

No, I could get behind that. A sonogram seems almost analogous to, on the other side of the spectrum, Miles reading a character's last thoughts. We wouldn't count "Dr. Linus" as one of Jacob's appearances, would we? --- Balk Of Fametalk 13:49, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly.--Baker1000 20:16, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
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