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Under the 'Trivia' section it states that Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun and Sayid are the only characters who've had a Flash-Back/Flash-Forward/Flash-Sideways and Season 5 centric - but doesn't Ben fall under that to? So shouldn't that section be edited?

JOSHtheJOKER

Murderer

Why is Jack in Category:Murderers? Who did he kill? --Blueeagleislander 00:55, 9 December 2008 (PST)

someone might have put him in there for the deaths that Jack was responsible for, such as when he decided to help his future wife instead of Shannon's dad, and there's a couple others but I that wouldn't make him a murderer, and I'm 98% sure he never told anyone and we saw anything about him killing a person.-- SawBucks  Talk  Contribs  03:54, 16 December 2008 (PST)
  • He killed Edward Mars. Ummagumma108 12:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Jack put the revolver to Locke's head and pulled the trigger, attempting to kill him. This classes him as a murderer perhaps - Integrated (16/12/08 23:00 GMT+11)
    • Not really. In all courts, that would be "attempted murder". In other news, did he shoot an Other in the season 2 finale? Is that it? --Blueeagleislander 05:14, 16 December 2008 (PST)
      • I could be wrong but doesn't attempted murder get you the same sentence as murder in a court of law, if it's proven? Anyway in other news, Sawyer shot the Other is the season 2 finale, Jack has never actually killed anyone. He has attempted to kill Locke, threatened to kill Tom, and Ben, but never done it. - User:Integrated (17/12/08 11:42 GMT+11)
        • I removed it. And I think the sentence depends on what country you're in. --Blueeagleislander 22:15, 16 December 2008 (PST)
          • I belive it is due to the fact that he euthanize the Marshal at the start of Season 1 when Sawyer shot him but didn't kill him.Oby1989 08:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
            • Jack did not euthanize the marshal. The marshal died very quickly from Sawyer's gunshot wound to the chest, although not instantly.Namastizzay 18:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Jack did euthanise him. That was the source of the conflict that followed. Sawyer didn't kill him; he made a bigger mess that Jack had to go take care of. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 19:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Also, Life and Death's sub-section about Main Cast Kill Count, lists Jack as killing Mars. --Orhan94 13:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't see any evidence that Jack euthanized the marshal. Sawyer shot him, Jack begain to try to staunch the flow of blood from the chest wound, he ordered Sawyer out, the marshal groaned and moaned for about 15 seconds, then he stopped, and Jack came out of the tent 10 seconds later. Just how is Jack supposed to have euthanized him? Asphyxiation seems to be the most popular belief, but it takes about a minute to render someone unconcious and another 2-3 minutes to cause death. The Marshal obviously wasn't being asphyxiated if he was making as much vocal noise as he was. He couldn't have died from asphyxiation in the 10 seconds of silence before Jack walked out. The conflict was because Sawyer had botched trying to kill the marshal and made things more painful for the man, and Jack was going to have to attend to the man who would now be in even more pain. Jack vehemently refused the idea of euthanizing the marshal when Kate suggested it earlier. Yes, Jack threw it in Sawyer's face that it could take hours for him to bleed out, but that it took far less doesn't mean Jack helped him along despite his moral objections to the idea. Namastizzay 15:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry, but this is just denying the obvious. Jack said the lung perforation meant Mars would bleed out painfully over several hours, then Jack entered the tent, after which we hear choking and coughing sounds, and then silence, and Jack walks back out. It's obvious that Mars did not bleed out over hours, and that Jack spared him that additional pain by ending his life. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 15:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Again, it's not possible to choke someone to death in 30 seconds. I'm going to suggest people consider how long they can hold their breath. Choking someone to death (or any death by asphyxiation) takes several minutes. Second, the marshal was gasping and wheezing for those 30 seconds, which means he was getting air. So if Jack were to have hastened his death, how do you propose he did it? I think believing Jack assisted his death is ignoring the facts and--more importantly--ignoring Jack's defining character trait: his need to fix people against all odds. No, the marshal did not bleed out over hours. His death came much more quickly, but not because Jack did anything to hasten it. Namastizzay 12:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree that Jack killed Mars, but I don't think that should count as "murder". He wanted to die. I think he "killed" him but did'nt "murder" him.--
  • Well, Jack is a murderer okay? He killed 4 dharma people and he killed the MiB, so put him back on that list.

Nintendo_Warrior 11:09 4/8/09 (UTC) It wouldn't take 3 minutes to choke someone who has been shot in the lung and internally bleeding.and even if it did, just becuase it took 15 seconds on screen, it didn't neccessarily 'really' take 15 seconds —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Harrypotterandthedeathlyhallows (talkcontribs) .

Unanswered Question

Why would it ask, "why does he want to get off the island, his dad is dead and his wife left him?". I think it's self explanatory, he's on a deserted island with a monster and wanted to get off the island since the very first episode.-- SawBucks  Talk  Contribs  03:54, 16 December 2008 (PST)

Naomi? Who is Naomi?

How is it that Jack was so completely surprised by Naomi's sneaking off into the jungle after having been knifed by Locke? Jack is known for employing downright heroic measures to keep the injured from dying. He pounded on Charlie's chest long after Kate had presumed him dead after he was hung by Ethan in season 1. He poured his own blood into Boone when Boone was dying from a crushed leg later in the same season. Naomi gets a knife in the back and pitches face-first into the ground, and Jack does nothing to discern her condition? He simply assumes she's dead? Even with a Locke-confrontation and an open line to the freighter on his hands, this is a very un-Jack-like omission. (And, yes, maybe this could be posted in the "Unanswered Questions" section of the main Jack article; but I'm thinking that section is better left for questions about "puzzle-pieces" that need eventually to be supplied. This Naomi matter seems more to be simply a slip in the story.) WeeBeestee 01:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Eh, well, typically speaking people who get machetes thrown in their back and plop face first into the ground, becoming pale and whatnot usually die. And Jack was busy with a bunch of other stuff concerning the freighter. He didn't realy have the time to go and check if the Rambo chick could still be alive. --Nick40292 23:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Jack = Jacob?

JACK + weirdass time travel = JACOB!? "Jack" is usually a nickname. Stonehenge 19:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Stonehenge

Also the continued prominance of Christian Shephard suggests that the Shephards have an important role to play on this island Aranworld 19:36, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, doesn't Jack feel responsible for Christian's death? As we learned with Lock ... one of the pre-requesites for being the leader of the island is killing your father. Aranworld 19:36, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so.. But Jack was supposed to be the "new Jacob". I like Hurley more as him anyways. And yeah, Christian Shephard is somehow important to the island. Jack keeps seeing him when he returns to L.A. That kind of made him want to go back to the island. So yeah, Christian plays an important role in the "leader/candidate" thing. Returning to Jacob, who was his biological mother? We only know that she gave birth to Jacob and to MIB. Then she was murdered. I don't think that's related to the Shephards but still.. User:HumanWreckageThatYouLove

'Was' a spinal surgeon?

He's still working for a hospital when Hurley's father brings Sayid to him... -- Xbenlinusx 07:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

But has been suspended from work due to substance abuse.--Nevermore 22:04, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Was he suspended from work BEFORE or AFTER the events of Through the Looking Glass. Because in The Little Prince, he is reprimanded for being on the premises due to being suspended and that only occurred a few days (if I'm not mistaken) after the events of Through the Looking Glass. --SethFlight815 23:02, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Jack's Birth Name

Has there ever been any confirmation of Jack's birth name? Is it John? Or is it possibly Jacob? Aranworld 19:36, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Why wouldn't it be Jack....? Hugo815 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Jack is traditionally a nickname -- mostly for John. Aranworld 23:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Unanswered question

I'm removing this question: "What very bad things happened after he left the island?"

Time flashes, flaming arrow attack, claymore mines, unknown group with guns somehow related to Ajira, nose bleeds...

I guess those are bad enough. QuiGonJinnBe mindful of the Living Force... 13:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Major rewrite discussion

I am proposing to rewrite this article by making subs for each season (Jack Shephard in Season 1, or similar) with a See: article name and a brief, descriptive paragraph or two as a synopsis of the season. I broached the topic more broadly here, because we have a big problem on very long article and cross references. If you will note, after a certain point, the cross references are broken, and go to wikipedia's article 404. This would also make this article more readable, where someone wanting more specifics can go to the sub-article. Another option might be Jack Shephard/Season 1, Jack Shephard/Season 2, etc. and have the tabs at the top like the article, discussion, theory ones. Thoughts? ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 19:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

So, if someone searches "Jack Shephard," what would they get? A disambiguation page? Jrsightes 03:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
  • No, they'd still get this page, only a shortened version of the page with subpages and summaries for the seasonal parts, rather than long winded sections for each season, which is the primary reason for the problem. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 10:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
In that case, it seems like the smart thing to do. Jrsightes 19:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
See below for my suggestion, using Season 1, an example of how it would work. The subarticle link would have all the text and pictures from how the article presently reads. This is a rough draft of my suggestion, only to get an idea how it looks. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 20:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
How about this idea? -  Rasmus Ni  Talk  Contributions  11:59, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
  • That doesn't look bad at all, but does it resolve the problem with the cross references? ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 12:10, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I like this idea a lot, especially as it doesn't involve rewriting summaries. But we need more than the opinion of a few people to do this, I think. Can you cross post this here, so maybe we can get more interest? ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 15:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I would prefer if the article for Jack stayed as just one article, not subpages for Season 1, Season 2, etc. If the main problem is the crossrefs that link to wikipedia, here's the best way to fix it: instead of writing {{crossref|3x20}} for a crossref link, you would write <small>("[[The Man Behind the Curtain]]")</small> which would look identical to a crossref link. I think that the page is much easier to view, read, and navigate if it just stays as one all-inclusive article. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 15:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't really like this idea to be honest. They've implemented the idea over at 24 wiki (with all of the major characters) and I just don't really like it. It's too many pages for one character, especially when it works fine as just one page (we could still do a rewrite, but I'd really just prefer it to be all on one page to avoid jumping around randomly whenever I want to see a different page). I think when used properly, the crossref thing works just fine, especially the way that CTS mentioned. --Nick40292 23:09, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
  • This is why Rasmus Ni's idea is much better than mine. You never leave the page doing it that way, and it's clean and fixes the problem with the crossrefs. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 17:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Ah, I didn't see that before. That whole idea isn't so bad. I like it. If we do this to Jack, however, I think we would have to do it for all characters, wouldn't we? For consistency's sake? But now that I look at it, this also screws up all of the images within the text (the ones on the left and right) because of the sidebar. --Nick40292 18:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't really think any change is needed. I like this format that we've been useing for the site. I think that if someone wants to know about Jack Shepard, no matter what it is, they should be able to find it on the Jack Shepard page.--Nintendo_Warrior 19:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Did you look at the link? It would still be on the same page. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 18:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


Example of rewritten section with subpage link

See Jack Shephard in Season 1

After the 815 plane crash, Jack ran out of the jungle and began doctoring the injured passengers. After helping passengers, Jack asked Kate for her help in stitching his injuries. The next day he hiked into the jungle with Kate and Charlie to find the cockpit, where he found the pilot and received the transceiver. Returning to camp, Jack operated on Edward Mars, who awoke after surgery and revealed the mugshot of Kate. Kate later asked Jack to put Mars out of his misery, but Jack refused, only to have to later euthanize Mars when Sawyer's failed attempt made matters worse, Jack decided the best way to dispose of the bodies from the crash was to burn them, but he missed the funeral service that night after seeing his dead father standing at the edge of the jungle. On day 6, Jack rescued Boone, who nearly died trying to save a woman from drowning, feeling guilty he couldn't save Joanna as well. Berated by Boone for his efforts, Jack walked away mid-rant, only to see and then chase his father into the jungle, before nearly falling off a cliff and being helped up by Locke. Locke told Jack to lead the other survivors, but Jack feared failure, thinking he was going crazy with visions of his dead father. On Locke's advice, Jack continued the journey after his father, finding some caves near a supply of fresh water and his father's empty coffin. Venting his frustrations on the coffin, he then returned to the beach and began to lead the survivors, moving those who wanted to go to the caves. Jack was saved from a cave-in by Charlie, leading him to discover, and later cover-up, Charlie's heroin withdrawals. While Jack was treating Sayid for injuries, a wounded Boone arrived to tell Jack that he thought Sawyer had stolen Shanon's inhaler. Jack assisted Sayid in torturing Sawyer for the information, only to later discover it was a con for Sawyer to get Kate to kiss him. Jack later enjoyed some stress-relieving relaxation on Hurley's golf course. Claire's nightmares about someone trying to hurt her baby were dismissed by Jack as pregnancy worries, but he discovered later from Hurley that Ethan wasn't on the plane and the threat was real. Jack and Kate searched for Ethan, and found the missing Charlie hanging by his neck from a tree. Jack later found reason to distrust Kate when she lied to him about the key to the Marshal's Halliburton case. Taking the key from her, Jack opened the case to discover the gun cache and Kate's personal effect from her arrest in Australia. The guns were later used to set a trap for Ethan, using the returned Claire as bait, but the plan backfired when Charlie shot and killed Ethan before they could get any information from him. Jack's next challenge came on day 40, when Locke brought an injured Boone to him, and lied about how the injuries happened. This resulted in more severe injuries than he anticipated, and when Boone woke he told Jack about the Hatch and asked Jack to let him die. This caused a rift between Jack and Locke as he held Locke responsible for Boone's death. Four days later, Jack travelled with the group who went to get dynamite from the Black Rock to blow open the Hatch. Jack and Locke stared down into the pit created by blowing up the dynamite with no idea of what might be at the bottom.

When did Jack meet Sarah? 2001 or 2002?

I know that in Jack's main page it sais that Sarah had the car accident sometime in 2002, but I don't agree. Soon after Jack operated Sarah, he met Desmond Hume at the stadium training for the race. After this, Desmond had been in the hatch for 3 years before Jack met him again in the Swan station. If this was 2004, Desmond should have arrived at the island in 2001, which means that Jack met Sarah also in 2001.

"Good terms"

In the introduction paragraph it is written "He was commonly looked upon as the leader of the survivors and was on good terms with everyone, especially Kate and Juliet." First of all, what does it mean to be on "good terms" with "everyone" and why are Kate and Juliet singled out? If the person who wrote this is referring to the sexual tension between Jack and Kate / Jack and Juliet then that totally confused my understanding of the term "good terms". I'm was laughing at this because when I finished the sentence and re read it using that definition it reads quite differently. I could see the unstated "Wink, wink, if you know what I mean" after that sentence. :)Mister vijay 20:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Season 5 Finale

Can we remove this statement from the Wiki, as it has yet to be confirmed? I.E., Jack Shepherd - "After the detonation of Jughead by Juliet, his fate is currently unknown."

Goldenlyra 17:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Jack has visited 3 stations on another island: The Swan - The Island, the Hydra - The Hydra Island, The Lamp Post- Los Angeles under church. Ben to but he visited The Pearl, The Flame and The Orchid on The Island. --Station7 13:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

It would be very funny if in the end Locke and Jack became friends. They realize that they both are men of faiths. That would be from: Jack and Locke best friends forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOST UNTANGLED warning. That would be very very funny if you that idea.--Station7 20:39, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Jack and John both are men of Faith--Jack has faith in Science and John has faith in the Island--but more importantly, they are/were determinists. John believes that Fate (which was worshiped before the Orphic Mysteries were established) controls the outcome, and Jack believes that natural laws control the outcome. --Lana hibner 13:23, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

I can't even begin to explain how incorrect the idea that you need "faith" in science is. Science requires evidence and reasoning, and measurement. Religious faith does not require that. He has belief in science, not faith. -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  14:06, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

John talking to Jack about the horrible things

In the article, it is stated that John talked with Jack about the horrible things that happened after they left, in the episode "The Incident (Parts 1 & 2)". Actually, it happened in "The life and death of Jeremy Bentham". Am I correct, or am I missing something? --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 03:46, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

  • You're not missing anything. Jack and John are in two different time periods. It's fixed.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 14:30, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
    • Good. Thanks. Something else. John only said to Jack that they had to go back, and that he saw Christian alive in the jungle. Jack didn't want to hear anything else and left. However, he said to Ben that John had told him that "very bad things happened" when they left the island. Also, Jack told Kate that John told him that returning to the island "was the only thing to keep them safe". Can anybody tell me... when did this happen? And hey, I watched all the episodes. Looks like a plot hole for me. And a big, important one... --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 01:51, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
    • I think that one was beat to death somewhere in the almost 6000 pages. You would have had to see it go by! As I recall, the argument was that they talked again, but we just haven't (yet?) seen the conversation. I don't know how TPTB are going to fit it all in.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 02:29, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
      • Yeah, that's my theory too. One question, what's TPTB? And thank you for your answers. I hope they (the producers) explain those things that haven't been explained. Just like when John never told Hurley nor Walt his fake name (Bentham), and they still knew it later (in "There's no place like home"). --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 17:38, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
      • Sorry, it's a secret code. <grin> The Powers That Be: Damon and Carlton.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:34, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

LA X

Readding it to centrics, as all the other characters listed on the LA X page get it noted on their page. --Golden Monkey 15:39, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Image Use

Can everyone please be aware of the use of images. Images are supposed to be used only to illustrate the content of the article. Whilst many of the images on this article do achieve that, I have removed several images that were nothing more than face shots of Jack. Of course, they were accurately placed against the content of the article, but they did not illustrate anything about that particular story other than Jack was in them. Please be aware that images should only be placed when relevant and can accurately depict the storyline. I have had to go through and remove several brclear tags that had also been placed by a user that were there in order to ensure the images sat in the right place, regardless of the content. If you need to move the text contents of an article around to fit the images, then that is a great indicator of too many images and not enough writing. Thank you. -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  10:29, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

There is now a banner across the top of the page identifying it as the original timeline Jack yet then below in the character overview is the information on Jack in X universe. One or the other should be removed (probably the information on Jack in universe X and not the banner. {{SUBST:User:jdray/autosig}} 22:04, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Jack's Birthdate

The LOST auction has Jack's customs declaration and passport. They list his birthday as 3 December 1969 and 14 July 1966 respectively. The later being the actor's actual birthday. http://profilesinhistory.com/items/lost-auction-preview/jacks-us-passport-and-us-customs-declaration.html Mindsuckr 17:58, February 17, 2010 (UTC)mindsuckr

  • I have changed the format of the above dates. The US Custom's form uses the international date format and 3/12/69 is actually December 3rd. If you look closely at the screen shot, you can clearly see the field is headed "Birth Date: day/mo/yr". --Marlboro man 12:37, February 25, 2010 (UTC)


Agh I hate the continuity issue. If we were gonna post one birthdate on the page i'd go with 7/14/66, as since it's on his passport it would also presumably be on his birth certificate, hence being the more legit date. I might add this in a couple days if nobody objects. InflatableBombshelter 01:07, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

  • I think he was born in 69, thus fitting in with him being 8 in 1977, and thus being in the alternate reality where he got his appendix out at 8, as opposed to Something Nice Back Home.--Gibbeynator 01:31, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
  • If he has a birthdate of '66, this would push the date of his FS Timeline alt's appendix back to '73 or '74. This means that the timelines fractured well prior to '77, and possibly even prior to Sawyer et al. coming to Dharma times. The only date which works is 3rd Dec 1969. The passport date just has to be wrong--Sean Sheep 20:13, February 26, 2010 (UTC).Insert non-formatted text here
    • I have reverted the edit of Jacks birthday and age. There seems to be general consensus that '66 is the actor's birthday and not Jacks. However, it is still not clear, and we should not post this information until it is definitive.

--Sean Sheep 00:05, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

    • I updated this to December 3. July 14 is Matthew Fox's birthday. Also someone had him listed as 44. If he was born in '66, he'd be 41, and if he was born in '69 he'd be 37 (as of November '07)...I don't know where "44" came from.--Jmoore0905 03:21, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Jack is the only main character that is aware of all the DHARMA Initiative stations.

Is this accurate? As far as we know, he may not know about the Arrow. Also, it seems likely that Ben also knows about all of the stations that Jack knows about. (other than possibly the Arrow) Ben also knows about "The Door" (if that counts as a station) while Jack may not know about it. Nick2010 23:57, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Am I the only to notice this...?

In the first four seasons, Jack was a serious man. He knew what he wanted. He was sure of himself. Beginning in season 5, he's totally different: he know believes in fate, he asks no questions, and he's just following others. That's not Jack! What happened? Oh, don't you dare tell me that Bentham's conversation left him like that! I know, that conversation might be the reason he was so depressed later, but come on! He's totally different now! What happened? Is this how JACK is supposed to be, or is this a change of acting from MATTHEW FOX? --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 05:54, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure if you're being serious, but that transition from man of science to man of faith has been Jack's character arc for the entire series. It was set up as early as his conversation with Locke in the Season 1 finale. Wstonefi 18:09, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
  • Um, actors play their characters and scenes according to written instructions (script or screenplay) and the director's on-set direction. Matthew Fox could not just arbitrarily start playing his character differently even if he wanted to. The actor's job is to bring to life onscreen what's on the written page and what the director wants.

Still An Alternate Universe?

Should we merge the "Flash Sideways" article of Jack Shephard with this Article? I mean, if the events of The End are correct, then they aren't two seperate persons, they are the same person at different points in time (Sideways Jack = Jack post death). Or mabe the other theory on what the alt is is correct - that they died on the plane instead of crashing on the Island. In either case, I think the implications that The End had on the concept of Flash Sideways is worth discussion, in terms of the articles relating to them. Thoughts? Opinions?

AGREE. Now we know that the flash sideways are sort of flash forwards they should all be moved to their person's respective article - maybe under a section called 'Afterlife'. It becomes more tricky with some of the unimportant background characters. I doubt that this is really THEIR afterlife but rather they are just memories being used for the afterlives of the more important characters (e.g. Keamy. In fact he died during the flash-sideways - which does not make sense if this was HIS afterlife!) Meacfbc 16:27, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Pictogram voting oppose The Flash-Sideways are still a different timeline, with different decisions made by characters even prior to Oceanic 815. Also, events prior to 1977 in the FST appear to be the same in both FST and OT. So it's quite a lot to handle here, I would say split the articles again as before. --Dr. James (4 8 15 16 23 42) 02:18, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

  • Dr. James, might I suggest that you didn't understand the ending of the series? None of the stuff in the flash sideways actually happened, it was just a world they had all created that in some ways reflected desires they never got to live out in their real lives. So the flash sideways isn't a different time line at all, because flash sideways never really existed; it was just all the characters basically wandering around in the afterlife before they could move on. The articles should be (and have been) merged because these aren't the alternate versions of the characters as we had been lead to believe all season, these were the exact same characters just in the afterlife. MattC867 18:57, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Jack is not dead!

Jack is not dead. Jack is the new Smoke Monster! It happened to him what happened to the Man in Black. Not being resistant to electromagnetism like Desmond, when the light at the heart of the Island was turned on again he suffered the same fate. He even woke up near the same rocks where Jacob found his brother dead. So when Jack closes his eyes, he is only “dying” in that body just like the Man in Black “died” in his. Jack’s status should be “alive on island”. Artreids 13:12, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

The show never shows Jack as the smoke monster. Unlike the Man in Black, he wakes up after the source teleports him elsewhere. We can invent any number of explanations for this (e.g. MIB rode the water into the light. Jack was already in the chamber when the light turned back on). The show also portrays him dying in the grove. On a different note, "Alive on the island" no longer makes sense as any main character's status, because they all died in the end --- Balk Of Fametalk 13:36, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
Jorge Garcia read out the last lines of the finale script on his podcast. They were something like "Jack's eye closes. He is gone. The end."...so looks like he did die.--Baker1000 15:39, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Family Members

Why are Juliet and David listed as his family members? On Juliet's page, Jack and David are not listed. The characters created other characters, like David and Nadia's children, to help the main characters move on. That's why David is not in the church with his "parents" and they seem to have no concern for him at all. So why are they considered to be his family members when he was never really married to Juliet and they never really had a son and it was all "created" to help them move on? Bellac230 03:14, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Lack of Specifics

In the section "Island: Days 1 - 44", why are all of Jack's experiences anti-specific? Surely we can say The Monster killed the pilot instead of "something unseen". Also, he breaks up a fight between two survivors? We know the identities of these people so why aren't they included? --Dharmafolk 21:31, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

  • Good catch. That stuff's minor so I'm going ahead and changing it. --Jf518 18:43, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • Scratch that. It's just a style choice, the words link to the characters which the text is referring, not changing anything. --Jf518 18:45, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
  • But the style of the article changes as you go further down...I propose it be changed to a less general, more specific style, despite the links to the characters that the text is referring. --Dharmafolk 21:31, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
    • I see your point, but I think it should be left the way it is as a way to indicate an introduction of one character to another. For example, when it says "two survivors", this indicates that Jack was not familiar to those characters until that point. After that sentence, the article begins using Sawyer's and Sayid's names because they have now been introduced to Jack. As long as this method is consistent, it is nice to have because then the person reading the article will know when Jack was first introduced to that person or thing. --Jf518 21:46, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

What constites a Jackback?

Does a Jack-centric flash-forward or flash-sideways count? Anyway, I've broken it down:

Flashbacks: 10 (2 multi-centric) -Pilot, Part 1 -White Rabbit -All The Best Cowboys -Do No Harm -Exodus, Part 1 (multi-centric) -Man of Science, Man of Faith -The Hunting Party -A Tale of Two Cities -Stranger in Strange Land -The Incident, Part 2 (multi-centirc0

Flash-forwards 6/7 (2/3 multi-centric) -Through the Looking Glass, Parts 1 and 2 -Something Nice Back Home -There's No Place Like Home, Parts 1 and 2(and 3) -316

Flash-sideways; 7 (6 multi-centric) -LAX, Parts 1 and 2 (multi-centric) -Lighthouse -The Last Recruit (multi-centric) -The Candidate (multi-centric) -What They Died For (multi-centric) -The End (multi-centric)

Cause of death

We've had some edit battles over how Jack died. Did he kill the Man in Black but get "mortally wounded in the process"? Or did come out on top, but then "sacrifice himself" in the Heart, later dying from the electromagnetism? I tried getting feedback in a blog, but that really doesn't answer what we should say in the article. --- Balk Of Fametalk 04:15, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

The existentialist hero

Jack is the existentialist hero. There can be more than one hero. Desmond, like Jack, becomes heroic, but he lives. Sawyer is a Romantic hero, the rough diamond. Hugo is a being who finally realizes the obvious; he is not human. To be a hero, most folks maintain one has to be a human. Sayid is heroic in his dedication to killing. He does not deny his nature. Nor does Locke: he is Jack's 1st teacher. He is right about the single thing. There is a Deity. I do not think he had in mind, a deity as morally empty as Faraday, again even he sacrifices himself, Faraday does not mind killing others or letting them die to push forward his plan. He is, ironically, the major antagonist. Ben is the protagonist. Faraday needs that Jack does what the dice indicate: Snake eyes. Jack could have been rescued by Lapidus act as MiB's host. Ben could have killed MiB. It is Jack's duty, his destiny. He is prepared by Locke and many others (including Ben, Juilet, and many others often unintentionally). faraday, locke, charlie, juilet, jin, sun, and many others died for him. The other existentialist hero is Michael. His destiny is to save Walt at any cost. he loses his soul (perhaps). Walt may well be the replacement for Faraday. Faraday will pass. His job will be done. Jack was chosen; his sacrifice freed many, many others. However, many died to make Jack's death possible. This god wants a lot of corpses. Maybe, Walt will be less blood-thirsty. He will have to eliminate Ben. Ben shook the fundations of heaven. Linus is too clever for anyone's safety. Hugo will have to disappear. he has too many friends. He will need to stay on the island. Exile, not even God can kill someone who is already dead.--Past recaptured 22:05, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

what the **** are you talking about.--Jmoore0905 20:15, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
There's no need to swear on here. Please don't do it again.--Baker1000 21:39, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Jackass? Is it just me, or does he act like a Jack Ass sometimes?Glassonion0 (talk) 01:50, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Jack's Healing

What about Jack's healing powers? He brought Charlie, Rose and Sayid back to life after laying his hands on them. Sayid's wounds were healed by the water in the pool but he had still drowned. He's the 'Miracle Doctor' and only fails when someone else gives up (Boon, Federal Agent, Old Foreign Man).

Maalstrom Aran (talk) 14:38, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

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