What did Goodwin say about the children before he was killed?
Theory moved from the article since this is more a discussion:
- When Ana-Lucia asks Goodwin "What about the kids?" prior to his demise, he responds "Children are fine.", in contrast to "THE children are fine.". This suggests to me that any/all children are GOOD people (as opposed to BAD people like Nathan, etal.). I infer this suggests 'redeemable vs. irredeemable' or 'saved vs. lost' rather than any other contrary polar opposites.
- This is probably an over-analyzation of semantics. If you listen to what he says, it is fairly clear he is saying "the children are fine".
Someone posted a theory relating his killing the chicken to his killing Nathan. I just want to say that's a good one, and it's also an example of two events in LOST which correlate and cancel each other out. Like, we don't have to analyze them anymore because they came full circle; they served a purpose and are complete. A lot of the clues analyzed on LOST tend to drag on in theories, when in fact they really just go the way of the chicken. --Brother 13:34, 22 October 2006 (PDT)
Contact with outside world[]
Theories states: That the others are in contact with the outside world is confirmed in A Tale of Two Cities. I didn't know this was the case. What proof is there to confirm it? Yes, there is evidence to support it. But I do not believe there is proof. Snarf 09:24, 11 October 2006 (PDT)
Goodwin and Jack's Wife[]
In the first episode, after Jack's wife bails him out of jail there is a brief pan towards her new boyfriend. This mystery man has the same distinct nose as Goodwin and I think it is in fact Goodwin. Did anyone else see this? Opens up a whole can of worms. Perhaps Jack's wife is on the island? [[User:Gordbox] 07:43, 26 October 2006 (PDT)
Maybe the credits offer an evidence. I just watched the episode and must conclude that, IF it were Goodwin, it would be far clearer. We see Sarah's boyfriend shortly sharp enough, far away maybe, but obvious enough. I say no, it isn't Goodwin. Besides, the Others seem to live quite a long time on the island, Ben did so his whole life. Unlikely that Goodwin was off the Island for some time. Muellcraft 23:20 MEZ, 14th of November
- Seems doubtful but you can suggest it at Talk:Sarah Shephard's lover. --Kuzak 21:24, 7 March 2008 (PST)
Take it from me, it's not Brett Cullen who's playing Sarah's boyfriend. There are many distinct noses out there, those two men don't even look alike. See for yourself: http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=75399&fullsize=1 http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:BrettCullen.jpg Roger 07:06, 8 March 2008 (PST)
Peace Corps[]
It seems significant that Goodwin claimed to have been in the Peace Corps. It stands out as a rather curious remark. It's difficult to see any connection between the Peace Corps and the current storyline. However, is it possibly an oblique reference to the Dharma Initiative? The "humanitarian" activities of the Hanso Foundation might appear similar to the Peace Corps, e.g., the distribution of vaccines in Sri Lanka. Perhaps Goodwin was speaking metaphorically, or maybe he actually was in the Peace Corps and somehow this led to involvement with the Dharma Initiative. --HypnoSynthesis 13:39, 3 February 2007 (PST)
Is Goodwin Jacob?[]
Over on the theories page, I don't see how the existence of Goodwin's list supports the theory that Goodwin is Jacob. Pickett says that "Shepard wasn't even on Jacob's List." Since Goodwin was sent to make a list of tail section survivors, Jack's absence from the list wouldn't have anything to do with his "unworthiness." Further, Jack was on the list that Bea gave to Michael, so that list couldn't have been "Jacob's List." Goodwin being Jacob is an interesting theory, but his list doesn't provide evidence of it's validity.--Eyeful Tower 16:40, 14 April 2007 (PDT)
- Goodwin is dead, and subservient to Ben, unlike Jacob. So they're probably not the same person. Dialogue from other episodes suggest that while Ethan & Goodwin make a list of survivors, Jacob then takes those and makes his own list of "good people". This is all theory of course, but we still know that Jacob seems to be alive at a time when Goodwin is dead. --Sauron18 16:58, 14 April 2007 (PDT)
- Agreed. At least I certainly hope Goodwin is not Jacob, as that would make the whole Jacob thing one of the great red herrings of all time. It is odd though that he is the only Other for whom we don't have a first name.--Eyeful Tower 05:16, 15 April 2007 (PDT)
Spelling?/Anarchist[]
I haven't looked it up but are we 100% positive of the spelling of his name, if it is spelled godwin, there is a pre-anarchist thinker named William Godwin that predates most anarchist thinkers, saying that the state would become increasingly irrelevant and powerless by the gradual spread of knowledge. This would fit nicely with Mikhail, who shares a name with an early anarchist thinker as well.- Next362 12:20, 8 May 2007 (PDT)
Literary works reference[]
Today, I added a new book alluded to by the show -- The Moon Pool by A. Merritt -- to the Literary works page that contains a protagonist named Goodwin.--Dingbatty 05:43, 19 May 2007 (PDT)
Name - first or last?[]
Is goodwin his first name or his last name? Do we really know? --Minderbinder 06:47, 15 February 2008 (PST)
- It sounds like a last name but it makes little sense that when Ben called for "Ethan! Goodwin!" in "A Tale of Two Cities" he would use the given name of one of them but the surname of the other, or that Goodwin would introduce himself by his last name to the Tailies. Robert K S 08:02, 15 February 2008 (PST)
- We now know his wife was named Harper Stanhope--it might be reasonable to assume Goodwin's surname was Stanhope. Robert K S (talk) 19:53, 6 March 2008 (PST)
- I agree. Rename, or is that too much of an assumption?-- Sam McPherson T C E 19:59, 6 March 2008 (PST)
- Not all women take their husbands' names... Robert K S (talk) 20:03, 6 March 2008 (PST)
- We have no way of knowing. Stanhope could have been her maiden name, her surname thanks to her marriage to Goodwin or even her surname thanks to a marriage pre-dating Goodwin. If she is a therapist I'm inclined to think she is using the same last name now as when she first became a therapist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Meteor (talk • contribs) 2008-03-06T23:44:55.
- I don't know. I think it's pretty safe to assume that they have the same last name. It's likely that they met on the island and married there as well. Most women who keep their maiden surname do so because of a prestigious career or if they work under the public's eye (such as actresses and singers, etc.). Living in a small group as the Others do on the island, I would imagine she would have no problem taking his last name. I vote that the article for Goodwin be changed to Goodwin Stanhope. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Timcrossley (talk • contribs) 2008-03-06T23:59:12.
- You say it's safe to assume they have the same last name? Explain to me how that is a safe assumption? First we don't know if Stanhope is her married name or her maiden. Second we don't even know if Goodwin is a first name or a surname. Third we do not know when they met or when they married. You are making too many assumptions for my tastes. You're assuming you know they have the same last name, that Goodwin is a first name and not a surname, that both of them use the last name Stanhope, that they married on the island and that Harper a therapist had no problem taking his last name. That is far too many assumptions for my tastes. --Meteor
Reorganization of Page Layout[]
It is time for Goodwin to receive an update. The entire page should be reorganized and redivided to accommodate new information and to make the page aesthetically more pleasing than it is right now. The main categories should be altered, prehaps into sections such as, "Pre-Crash", "Post-Crash", and "Death". Of course, those are only suggestions, but in any case, something has to be done. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quint88 (talk • contribs) 2008-03-06T22:50:02.
- Agree The page does need a good clean-up and reorganization. --e. magill 09:40, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Agree The Off Island and On Island layout makes little sense. Proposed reorganization would be great.--Kgs 15:42, 7 March 2008 (PST)
Rename[]
Although I did not put the banner on the article, I do believe Goodwin should be renamed to "Goodwin Stanhope" because he was Harper's husband--Phil (talk) 03:10, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Agree BETTYFIZZW (Talk) 04:46, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Disagree There are many possibles reasons why she may have not taken his name. Kajillion 05:16, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Agree for now.--Tricksterson 06:10, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Agree -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 07:40, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Agree --James W. 07:53, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- STRONGLY disagree There is no evidence that Goodwin's last name is Stanhope. For all we know Goodwin may be his last name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pennyj (talk • contribs) .
- Agree He introduced himself as Goodwin to Juliet in the episode. If Goodwin was his last name, I do not think that he would be introducing himself to a pretty woman as his last name. That'd be like Jack introducing himself as "Shephard," or Sayid introducing himself as "Jarrah." Unless it is explicitly denied by the show or the producers, rename. -- Sam McPherson T C E 09:06, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Very, very big assumption. Introducing oneself differs from person to person; it's a matter of choice. People may have reasons to introduce themselves with their first, last or full names, or even nicknames. Jack is a professional, but he may have thought it's not essential to be identified as Dr. Shephard, or he may simply avoided being known with his father's name. Sayid is from a different culture. Iraqi people don't even have official last names actually. But the point is, whether they introduce themselves with their first or last names is irrelevant. It's up to them. Just like Locke. And it does not matter if the person they're introducing themselves to is 'a pretty woman'. Even if it would, I don't think that it would if the person is married... Anyway there's just too many assumptions here. -- c blacxthornE t 09:05, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
- Goodwin could be one of many people who are known primarily by their last named or a nickname. Including HURLEY and SAWYER, both of whom HAVE introduced themselves to "a pretty woman" by said alternate names rather than as Hugo or James. I'd also note that when Goodwin introduced himself to Juliet he was looking for medical attention, not romance, and so, even going by your logic, he would likely introduce himself by the name which he is most commonly known around the community. Even so, assuming you are right, we have no evidence that Goodwin's last name is Stanhope. It could very well be something else.
- Agree Unless we are told otherwise, it is a very reasonable assumption with an over 90% probability. --e. magill 09:37, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- In fact it's not a "very reasonable assumption." Quite a few professional women maintain their maiden names. We know nothing of Goodwin or Harper's backgrounds and nothing of Other marriage customs. The idea that she took his name with "90% probability" is pure speculation.
- Disagree Plenty of people in the world are known by their middle name, last name or even a nickname (See:Hurley) Many professionals where their degree and/or certifications are tied to a maiden name will keep that name in order to keep their professional life consistent. There hasn't been a shred of evidence either way, so shouldn't we avoid jumping to conclusions?--Bdjsb7 09:42, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Disagree We don't know that Harper changed her name, Stanhope may be her maiden name. And while I think it's likely that Goodwin is his first name, there are people called by their last name for various reasons. --Minderbinder 09:46, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- STRONGLY disagree There is no evidence that Harper took Goodwin's surname, and until there in concrete evidence, the article should represent ONLY the facts, and it is not FACT but ASSUMPTION that Goodwin's surname is Stanhope.
- Strongly disagree It's only an assumption that's his name. Until it's explicitly said, he should remain only Goodwin. Ticktock24 10:16, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Strongly disagree We have absolutely no conclusive evidence that his surname is Stanhope. Unlike previous characters listed under erroenous names (Ben as Henry Gale, Tom as Mr. Friendly) he has never been referred to or referred to himself as anything other than Goodwin. No grounds for renaming currently. DublinDilettante 10:49, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Disagree It's a strong possibility his last name is Stanhope. There is no denying that. You can't, however, go solely by his wife's last name. That doesn't prove anything beyond any possible doubt. --pasinpman 11:10, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Strongly disagree We do not know if Goodwin was his first or last name. Harper's last name has no bearing as a confirmation of Goodwin's last name because plenty of professional women do not take their husband's last name. Bookhouse88 11:52, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Disagree as per the reasons stated above.--Nevermore 12:12, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Rename Harper would not refer to her husband by his last name, and there was seemingly no consensus whatsoever to decide that Colleen's last name was Pickett. ShadowUltra 13:10, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- In fact, such a thing is not without precedent in JJ Abrams shows. On Alias, Sydney continued to refer to her lover as Vaughn rather than Michael because that was the name which she had grown comfortable refering to him by. A similar situation could have resulted for Harper and Goodwin. You're also assuming that the only option is that Goodwin is his last name. It could very well be his first name and he could have another last name. Also, given how little we know about the Hostiles and their social practicves, and the possibility that Goodwin is a Hostile, he could have only one name.
- You're right, it looks like the Colleen article was moved despite pretty strong consensus not to. But that's not a reason to move this one, if anything, that one should be moved back. --Minderbinder 13:19, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Agree It makes no sense to think that Harper would refer to her husband as "Goodwin" if that was his last name. And it's not as if he called her "Stanhope" so it's not a pattern peculiar to that couple. Some things can be changed because the show explicitly states them; other items can be changed because it's just logic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnnyd1980 (talk • contribs) .
- Strongly Disagree Their marriage was completely deteriorated, if Harper was spiteful she might of referred to him by his last name-Goodwin. OR Goodwin could be his first name and Harper simply didn't take his last name. So Stanhope remained her last name since before the marriage. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vinny (talk • contribs) .
- Agree, per Sam McPherson. -PsychoYoshi 14:13, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Agree, Goodwin Stanhope = O! A pinned ghost! Ow!
- Disagree, we've only ever heard him called Goodwin, I think unless a last name is directly given we should leave this article named as it is.--Kgs 15:38, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Disagree, for reasons already given. --DJVok 15:58, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Agree Sam McPherson has a good point. -- Nusentinsaino talk contribs email 16:00, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Disagree: While it's certainly plausible, we just don't know. I see some people pointing to the argument that his last name isn't likely to be Goodwin. I think that's probably true, but I don't that means we can assume his last name is Stanhope. We don't know if they necessarily shared the last name. – Graft talk contributions 16:36, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Disagree It's only a tradition not a rule to take on the last name, and we don't even know if it's a legal marriage or just something they agreed on. --Hugo815 17:20, 7 March 2008 (PST)
- Strongly disagree It's only an assumption that's his name. Until it's explicitly said, he should remain only Goodwin. --Hunter61 02:29, 8 March 2008 (PST)
- Disagree As long as there is no official announcement or mention in the show what his full name is, there is no reason to disguise an assumption as a fact and put it in this Wiki. Roger 07:11, 8 March 2008 (PST)
- DisagreeWhen in doubt the safest thing to do, and the one that involves the least speculation, is to leave it alone until we have more data.-- SacValleyDweller talk contribs 20:21, 8 March 2008 (PST)
- Disagree It isn't useful to guess at information that, for a number of reasons, might not be true. He is referred to as "Goodwin" all throughout the episode.
Brighterorange 17:54, 9 March 2008 (PDT)
- Agree, if you didn't know' people in marriage DO share their last names User:Orhan94 2:46 11 March 2008 (PDT)
- Actually Orhan this is by NO means a universal rule. While it is customary in most societies, it is also optional in many.
- Agree
- Agree
- DisagreeThis site always waits until it's either confirmed by the creators or it is explicitly said in show before making decisions on stuff. We don't know anything at this point, so no name change. Go figure. The-room 07:39, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
- STRONGLY AGREE This site does not always wait. When exactly was Rose confirmed? See Phil's commentary on the Colleen renaming discussion. If we want to be consistent, and keep Goodwin "Goodwin" and Colleen "Colleen" then we have to change Rose Nadler, the Pace clan, etc. etc.
- Rose's last name and Mamma Pace both are sourced, from the official Lost magazine and from ABC press release, respectively. If there are screwups somewhere, they should be fixed, it seems foolish to take the attitude that since other articles may be wrong, this one should be wrong too. --Minderbinder 11:41, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
- Strongly Disagree. We shouldn't do it based on an assumption, which is lack so much basis that it's almost a hunch. We do not know:
- If Goodwin is a first name or last name. He could've been known primarily with his last name, pretty much like Locke.
- If they have the same last name. There's no mention of it in the series, heck, we've just learned that they were married!
- If Stanhope is her married name, or maiden name. She may have not taken the name of her husband.
- The most we can do now should be redirecting Goodwin Stanhope to Goodwin, to help those who might make that assumption. Lostpedia, however, shouldn't. -- c blacxthornE t 09:05, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
- I removed the rename banner for now. (In my edit summary I said, "No concrete evidence that Goodwin was his last name"--but I meant "Stanhope".) When more evidence presents itself, we'll return to the issue. There appears to be sufficient dispute at the current time to not rename. Robert K S (talk) 10:51, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
Strongly disagree --Jeff 15:59, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
- STRONGLY disagree "Goodwin" is fine.Matthew7785 09:56, 15 April 2008 (PDT)
- I was for leaving it as Goodwin BUT the extended episode pop up just stated his name is Goodwin Stanhope. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Meteor (talk • contribs) 2008-03-13T19:13:42.
- However, the canonicity of the 'popups' has yet to be determined. I'd go with Disagree on that basis alone, plus the fact that professionals often keep their own name. Heck my wife works at the library and she kept her name, lol.--moss ryder 23:30, 4 April 2008 (PDT)
- In the March 19th, 2009 episode of The Official LOST Podcast, Carlton Cuse said that the popups are not canon and indicated that sometimes things in the popups might not be right (start listening to the podcast around 8:20). --the JoshMeister 07:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- However, the canonicity of the 'popups' has yet to be determined. I'd go with Disagree on that basis alone, plus the fact that professionals often keep their own name. Heck my wife works at the library and she kept her name, lol.--moss ryder 23:30, 4 April 2008 (PDT)
- I was for leaving it as Goodwin BUT the extended episode pop up just stated his name is Goodwin Stanhope. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Meteor (talk • contribs) 2008-03-13T19:13:42.
- Disagree Goodwin's surname has never been revealed. "Stanhope" is mearly speculation based on his wifes name. -- 586FAC75 | talk | contributions 15:42, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
Colleen[]
Just a heads up for those participating in the renaming discussion here - the article Colleen recently had some discussion and was renamed to add a last name that was just assumed based on spouse and not explicitly given by the show. I don't think the discussion there supported the change, so I'm reopening that discussion. All participation would be welcome. --Minderbinder 07:13, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
Unanswered Questions[]
- Okay now. I decided not to act alone on this one, I just want to share my thoughts on this with you people: Do you think we should really add unanswered questions to every page just so every page has some? Here are the questions I'm talking about:
- Was he in surgery to observe or because he was needed?
- Does it matter? He was either there to observe, because he was needed, or just as an excuse to spend more time with Juliet. Do we expect this question to be answered later? Can we really expect that a flashback will reveal that some assistance was needed or not?
- What was Goodwin working on when he received the chemical burn?
- He worked in the Tempest. It was an indication of the chemical gas existing in the "power station"; that it was (also) something else.
- How did Goodwin's corpse move from the hillside to the woods?
- Did it? I thought it was the hillside. Anyway my memory is not that strong, so even if the body was shown in different places, it is likely that it's just a continuity error, the scene must have been shot in a different area. How many people think the body was just moved somewhere else?
- Why was Goodwin's corpse not retrieved and buried by the Others?
- First of all, Ben obviously didn't like him. Second of all, we don't know much about the customs and ceremonies the Others have. Did they retrieve Beatrice? Mikhail was dead how many times? How many times did they retrieve the body? And... Is this really an issue to be resolved later?
- Was he in surgery to observe or because he was needed?
- Someone please say that you agree and wash the Unanswered Questions section clean! -- c blacxthornE t 05:21, 19 March 2008 (PDT)
- The only one of these that comes close to being a "mystery to be solved" is the "How did Goodwin's corpse move" one, and I'm not even certain of its validity, as I haven't gone back and checked the episode where Eko finds the body and tells the others "His name was Goodwin". Robert K S (talk) 05:51, 19 March 2008 (PDT)
"How did Goodwin's corpse move from the hillside to the woods?" That should be taken out. It's just an error. People are looking to deep again. Fralfman 08:33, 19 March 2008 (PDT)
How about "Why is Goodwins hair brown?" jk, but i see your point. "Who was Michael's great-grandpa?" Maybe we should limit these to new events, or old ones that have been mentioned again in the show? (then again has jacks dad been rementioned, oh yea he has. didnt arzt say he saw jack chasing his dad through the jungle or something. Thats what i mean tho. I don't know the answer, but id like to see some discussion on this point.--moss ryder 23:33, 4 April 2008 (PDT)
New Rename Strawpoll[]
We don't (as yet) consider the Enhanced episodes as canon, so I am proposing the article be renamed back to Goodwin. Plkrtn talk contribs email 02:25, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
- In the March 19th, 2009 episode of The Official LOST Podcast, Carlton Cuse said that the popups are not canon and indicated that sometimes things in the popups might not be right (start listening to the podcast around 8:20). --the JoshMeister 07:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- Rename, we don't have the info from a trusted enough source. --Minderbinder 08:40, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
- Comment - If we rename this, we would also have to rename Rachel Brennan, Suzanne Callis, Margo Shephard, Megan Pace, Lisa Reyes, Martha Toomey, Joyce Malkin, Emily Linus, and Olivia Goodspeed, as none of these are named in canon. Phil (talk) 09:04, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
- I'd support renaming those as well. --Minderbinder 15:33, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
- I'd support that also.--moss ryder 18:28, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
- Joyce Malkin IS canon. She was refered to as Mrs. Malkin by both the Monsignor ("I'm sorry; we can't just do that, Mrs. Malkin.") and Eko ("Mrs. Malkin, will you excuse us for a moment, please?).-- LOSTonthisdarnisland 01:34, 18 April 2008 (PDT)
- One difference is that most of those are minor characters, often only appearing once, or not at all, or having no lines. The accuracy of their naming is less important than that of Goodwin. The presumption that these people share a name with their spouse is less problematic since most of them have no importance on the show except through their relation to said person. However, I will cop to a sexual double standard. The names you point out are women and Goodwin is a man.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pennyj (talk • contribs) .
- Do not rename - can't se any problem at all. If we eventually discover that his second name wasn't the same as his wife's (which is unlikely), we could always change it to the correct version. Malachi 11:50, 9 April 2008 (PDT)
- DO NOT RENAME - How can Enhanced episodes not be canon? They're apart of the episode that ABC aired. Enhanced episodes should definitly be canon. His name is Goodwin Stanhope. --CTS 17:08, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
- At least some information from the Enhanced episodes appears to be mistaken. "Mr. Friendly" was a nickname assigned by Sawyer; the Other's name wasn't "Tom Friendly" as reported in "Meet Kevin Johnson-Enhanced". Robert K S (talk) 19:13, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
- Nickname assigned by Sawyer? In what episode? Lindelof implied in the 26 May 2006 podcast the nickname wasn't used in an episode (: "...'cause in TV Guide, they list the names of characters even if you don't name them... which is how people know "Mr. Friendly"'s name. Mr. Friendly, 'cause we just call him that in the script." Official Lost Podcast transcript/May 26, 2006). Furthermore, Lindelof saying "know "Mr. Friendly"'s name" leads me to understand that actually is his name, so the enhancement was correct. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 01:30, 18 April 2008 (PDT)
- Sorry--I guess I was thinking of Sawyer's "You and me ain't done, Zeke." ("The Hunting Party") So you're right, the Enhanced episodes still don't necessarily contradict anything, and if we go by "canon until proven guilty", then Tom's last name really is "Friendly". Robert K S (talk) 06:24, 18 April 2008 (PDT)
- Nickname assigned by Sawyer? In what episode? Lindelof implied in the 26 May 2006 podcast the nickname wasn't used in an episode (: "...'cause in TV Guide, they list the names of characters even if you don't name them... which is how people know "Mr. Friendly"'s name. Mr. Friendly, 'cause we just call him that in the script." Official Lost Podcast transcript/May 26, 2006). Furthermore, Lindelof saying "know "Mr. Friendly"'s name" leads me to understand that actually is his name, so the enhancement was correct. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 01:30, 18 April 2008 (PDT)
- At least some information from the Enhanced episodes appears to be mistaken. "Mr. Friendly" was a nickname assigned by Sawyer; the Other's name wasn't "Tom Friendly" as reported in "Meet Kevin Johnson-Enhanced". Robert K S (talk) 19:13, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
- RENAME Until the canonicity of the Enhanced 'pop-ups' is determined, this is just speculation.--moss ryder 18:26, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
- RETAIN per 17 April teleconf with producers alluded to canonicity of enhanced episodes, calling them Cliff Notes for Lost. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 01:30, 18 April 2008 (PDT)
- Retain as per the teleconference: Darlton had an opportunity to deny canonicity of the enhanced episodes. Although they did not confirm it, there's still enough reason to believe that this information is true. I was against Stanhope at the previous poll, but I think the enhanced episodes are enough reason to keep it now. -- c blacxthornE t 06:52, 18 April 2008 (PDT)
- Retain, per LOSTonthisdarnisland. Plus, if we change it now and we get more indirect evidence of the enchanced episodes' canonicity, we have to go through a third painful renaming process. -PsychoYoshi 13:55, 23 April 2008 (PDT)
- Do Not Rename. I support the canonicity of the enhanced episodes. It seems pretty apparent to me, I don't see where the doubt comes from. -- Michael Lucero * Talk * Contributions
- RENAME. It should stay unspecified until we know anything for sure.--Overworkedirish 03:43, 25 April 2008 (PDT)
- Keep - We should make this page similar to Rachel Brennan, noting that his assumed name is Stanhope. Phil (talk) 15:03, 26 April 2008 (PDT)
- Do Not Rename - Comedy240 16:58, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
- Do Not Rename" according to the enhanced version his last name is Stanhope too, so there's our confirmation. --The Cartographer 17:32, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
- Do Not Rename but source" - state clearly that last name has not appeared on screen but is assumed based on marriage and enhanced pop up. --Jackdavinci 23:48, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
- Rename until the canonocity of the enhanced episodes is undisputed one way or the other. Jimbo the tubby 23:58, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
- Do not rename but source: Per Jackdavinci. In my opinion, I do not trust the enhanced subtitles at all as canon. Thus, I go off what is canon. Goodwin's wife is classed on the press release as Harper Stanhope as far as I am aware - therefore as she is married to Goodwin I think its okay to assume his surname is also Stanhope until proven otherwise, as per Rachel Brennan, and the other pages mentioned. --Nickb123 (Talk) 09:41, 6 May 2008 (PDT)
- RENAME- STRONGLY I strongly disagreed with the original rename and I strongly agree that this should be reverted to Goodwin. We have absolutely ZERO evidence that Goodwin's last name is Stanhope. This is all based on the fact that his WIFE'S name is Stanhope and the presumbption that his name must be the same. That is a HUGE HUGE HUGE presumption. Especially given the fact that we know absolutely nothing about Other social patterns and practices or Goodwin's ultimate origins. Even in the outside world it is not at all uncommon, indeed I would even call it common, for professional woman (such as psychiatrists, which Harper is) to keep their own name rather than changing to their husbands. Indeed, we get the name Stanhope from Harper when she introduces herself to Juliet at the beginning of their therapy session. This is PRECISELY the sort of circumstances in which a professional woman would refer to herself by her maiden name, the name on her degree, even if in private life she goes by her married name.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pennyj (talk • contribs) .
- Keep: I think one "HUGE" will do. It's an assumption, yes, but it is somewhat reasonable. Women sometimes keep their names and sometimes don't. It's not idiotic or anything to assume Harper didn't. We're probably not going to get any more information on Goodwin's name otherwise. Burnside65|talk|contributions 09:32, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
- Keep No good reason why his last name isn't Stanhope. Also why would the producers allow the enhanced version state things that may not be canon? Why would they let it mislead people about the show on their watch? I think it's obvious the EV is canon and the producers know it and are probably involved with it. They've even stated things that the enhanced version said after show aired on the podcasts (at least once). --The Cartographer 14:19, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
- Do Not Rename Definate Keep. As per all the other peoplr that think Keep. -- Bringlibbyandcharlieback Talk Contribs 15:12, 12 July 2008 (PDT)
- Rename Just watching the scene where he first meets Juliet and he says "You're Burke, right?", referring to her by her last name. The others are also known to refer to people by their last names when talking about the Losties. Besides, he has only ever been known as Goodwin so why is the last name even necessary if it hasn't been revealed? --Anfield Fox|talk|contributions 13:41, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
If you saw in The Other Women, Juliet showed Goodwin the pictures of Ben's tumor, you see that he not ask 'Where are they coming from?. I am sure he know about the Hydra or at least visited this station. What are you thinking?--Station7 12:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Corpse Location?[]
someone can check where his body is lying? in "The other woman" the place is more open than in "...and Found" (Themobymartin 02:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC))
Story about the Arrow[]
I think we miss something on his page. He found with the tail-section survivors the Arrow. But it's not on his page, if that's not on his page, we miss a part of the story. Am I wrong about that?--Station7 16:28, January 3, 2010 (UTC)