Magna Carta band

Occasionally, I've found an article about the band "Magna Carta" in Wikipedia and added a line about it to the trivia. Maybe, we misread the cover and "Geronimo Jackson" is the name of the album? Sithoid 15:56, 24 September 2007 (PDT)

Web Site

Thanks for tidying that lot up circeus :) any advice on how to do things a little neater myself would be greatly apreciated :)

You mean besides reading up on the image tag in the wiki help? Not really, now that I have it up you can look at the source to see what I did, which is nothing too special or fancy. --Circeus 22:10, 25 January 2006 (PST)

Ah thanks man, i wouldnt have even known to search for an 'image tag' in help. I assume by 'the source' you mean all the stuff i see when i press edit - like now in fact. Sorry of that sounds dumb but im totally new to stuff like this! Anyway, i'll have a look and no doubt gain at least a little knowlege :) Cheers!

I believe it is very safe to say that the website is not legitimate; the image on the site has been taken from a screen-cap of the episode, as the depth of field on it reveals, and the text at the top is only close, but not identical, to the text on the record.

I also am certain this is not an official site. The airdate of the Hunting Party was January 18, 2006. The domain was registered with on January 19, 2006. It is registered by proxy. The owner is private. That's easy to do these days. If the network was going to make a registration, they would have locked this down prior to the airdate or on the airdate. This is likely done by a fan. --Ehavir 13:52, 10 March 2006 (PST)

The website is no longer up. But, being new, I'm not going to make any changes, not knowing whether to remove or edit the information. Just letting you guys know. Zombiebomb 12:30, 9 May 2006 (PDT)

I'm quite new to this site, but this is really bothering me. Hurley and Charlie don't ever listen to the Geronimo Jackson record. If you watch the clip, they talk about it, but Hurley hands Charlie another record (I couldn't tell what it was). Charlie sticks the Geronimo record on the shelf and plays the one Hurley handed him instead. That's the one that's so "depressing" as Sayid says. The "The Hunting Party" article is also incorrect in stating that the boys "listen to an old song by Geronimo Jackson". I know it probably doesn't matter in the long run, but I thought it should be corrected. --TheWhiteRabbit 20:27, 4 February 2008 (PST)

The albums back

Locke can be seen viewing the front cover of the album around 14 minutes into "The Whole Truth". I guess they are just keeping it in there to remind us that its supposed to be important.. Its just a shame that we have no idea what it means at all. --MRNasher

Actors as Band Members

Looks like Libby & Sawyer on the front cover of the album to me. Especially when you view the larger image (clicking on the smaller image).

  • looking at the new full album cover from the S2DVD I think it could be Michael, Claire, Locke (back) and Charlie...the door motif is interesting too given the island station--Kivipat
That's what i was going to say! With the door. Despite my comments below, i think you're all crazy with the libby sawyer michael etc. stuff.--NotARedHerring 16:17, 25 September 2006 (PDT)
The guy that is standing up looks like Tommy Chong.--CaptainInsano 16:27, 25 September 2006 (PDT)

Bizarro theories

The Theories section of this article is just... ridiculous. I mean, come on, people. The DeGroots in a band? Locke, Sawyer, and Claire in a '60s-era band? Claire and Sawyer wouldn't have been born yet, and Locke would have practically been a toddler. If the band's from the '70s, just increase everyone's age by a decade - Locke may be a teenager, Sawyer and Claire would be children - it's still silly. --Shodan1138 00:12, 11 July 2006 (PDT)

But consider the possibility of time travel. We know time flows funny on the island. And, if it is the DeGroots, well, then, it's just another example of the influence The Illuminatus! Trilogy had on Lost. But i won't explain that, because within the next couple years you're likely to want to read it spoiler free...--NotARedHerring 16:16, 25 September 2006 (PDT)

What is this? --NotInPDX

Geronimo Jackson Egg on Season 2 DVD

There is a one minute and 30 second piece on Geronimo Jackson on the Season 2 DVD. It's hidden (easter egg), the instructions on how to get it are here

Non-Bizarro Theory

Is it possible that the Geronimo Jackson album has actually been produced,ala "Bad Twin", and distibuted via stealth methods, and is just waiting to be discovered in a used vinyl bin somewhere? Why else would they be insisting that's it's a real album, but very hard to find? Anazgnos 09:31, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

It's distinctly possible. We should all be on the lookout for it. i'm heading to a record store on friday.--NotARedHerring 11:59, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

Haha, that would be shocking if you were to actually run across the vinyl in a record store or at a garage sale, I would blow a blood vessel.

GJ on show list

[1]. Haha. Note the song names. Maybe an ARG stunt a la the Wikipedia Valenzetti article? Or just a fan trying to be obscurely funny? - GoodRom 14:39, 16 November 2006 (PST)

Music Played in Swan Station

I remember Locke playing some obscure instrumental music in "SOS" while grilling (Henry) Ben about whether or not he pushed the button. I've been trying to find out the title and artist for a long time, but to no avail. This could very well be a Geronimo Jackson song. --SBF 18:39, 10 March 2007 (PST)

Fictional band or not?!

I think the text at the beginning of this article gives the reader the idea that this band is a real band... but I think everything points to that this is a fictional band, and I think that it would be appropriate that it would show in the initial text! /   Dreamingtree72    talk    contribs   20:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

It is a fictional band, but this is an in-universe encyclopedia. Jack is not a real person, but his article introduction is written as if he is. It would be excessive to note in the lead of virtually every article in the wiki that the topic was a fictional one. Robert K S 23:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Darlton mentioned in the latest video podcast that Geronimo Jackson, unlike the DHARMA Initiative, was not something they created for the show. They confirmed its reality as a true band. meggie ~ Talk & contribs 00:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
They have insisted on multiple occasions that the band is real (as is reflected in this article). It's just a little game they're playing. It's good to see that some fans are playing along. Robert K S 00:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
But where is there any proof against what they say? Is there any proof that it is a game and that the band is not real as they claim? meggie ~ Talk & contribs 00:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Hah, no, we're not going to play that game. Might as well go to a forum arguing the existence or nonexistence of certain god or gods. There's no record of this band predating its mention on Lost. Robert K S 00:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Ha I see your point :) But regardless, I don't believe that there is any need to declare the band fictional in the article unless proven so, considering Darlton claims it is real. The article should rather be written ambiguously, to let readers draw their own conclusion. Thus, Darlton's statements should not be worded as "insisted" and "suggested" and "claim", but rather as "stated" or "mentioned". meggie ~ Talk & contribs 00:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree with you "Noileh", that the article should be written ambiguously! ;-) /   Dreamingtree72    talk    contribs   22:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. The only song that Geronimo Jackson has on iTunes is actually just a slightly altered version of "Excelsior Lady." Screams fictional to me. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  23:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
First Point: Geronimo Jackson is fictitious. You can hear the entirety of "Excelsior Lady" at The Donkeys MySpace page. Before anyone argues that Dharma Lady is anything but a thinly veiled remake, please listen to "Excelsior Lady"; about the only difference is a couple instrumental arrangements and substitution of the word "Dharma" for "Excelsior". For what it's worth, it would be very difficult to credit a song by a modern band (Excelsior Lady was released in 2008) to a real band from history. It would be like publishing an Oasis song on iTunes, but saying it was by the Beatles. Second Point: If you think Geronimo Jackson is real, produce concrete evidence. There seems to be some issue here that would easily be remedied by the scientific principle of "burden of proof", which says, to oversimplify, "It's your job to prove yourself right, not my job to prove you wrong". For example, "It's your job to prove you're psychic, not my job to prove you aren't." It is a well respected principle that has played a major role in much of the success that science has experienced. I think burden of proof should be invoked in this circumstance. Anyone who wants to advocate that Geronimo Jackson is real needs to start producing substantiated, peer-reviewable proof. Let's see some original posters from the band. Supposedly they played in San Francisco, there should be some vintage posters with the band name on it, or a birth certificate from Keith Strutter. Evidence exists when a person or band exists, so if you want to advocate that the band is real, produce that evidence. Until that time, there is no reason to concede the band's existence. Third Point: The article should be written with existing convention As User:Robert K S said, Lost, and therefore Lostpedia's content is based on a fictional world; this means that the article should be written as if the band is real to the Lost universe, though, obviously, we should avoid any statements that over-state the band's nature - nothing like, "This real-world band, based in San Francisco..."
<hiero>O34:O4-G17-D58-A1</hiero> zholmboe 00:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Some of the above messages make this seem like it's actually a vote or a debate. Um, no.  Robert K S   tell me  03:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Of course Geronimo Jackson is fictional... I just tought that the article doesn't need to state that in the text... just leave it open for the reader to judge. The article should reflect that the creators states (maybe as a joke) that the band are real aswell as that the band is made up for the show. /   Dreamingtree72    talk    contribs   10:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Real Band - The Donkeys

This comment was just left in the trivia section, and is more appropriate on a discussion page. Rather than simply delete it, I moved it here. <hiero>O34:O4-G17-D58-A1</hiero> zholmboe 21:45, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

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