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Legit?

I didn't hear this during the episode, but it is possible i missed it. I thought I heard him say "coms" (as in communications). We don't have a transcript up yet, but could someone (with Tivo or the like) please verify? --Ohmyn0 (talk) 16:27, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

Just rewatched on Tivo, and that's the exact wording, it's in the scene where Juliet is trying to convince Jack that she is a leader also, and then Ben bursts in. --PandoraX 16:55, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

Cool. Different part of the episode... and I was even wondering what Ben said to Juliett then... --Ohmyn0 (talk) 17:30, 26 October 2006 (PDT)

rename

  • Rename with a redirect from 'sub' --Ohmyn0 (talk) 19:13, 26 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Rename - Agreed to rename to Submarine, but see also Galaga, which might require a merge at some point depending on how this issue develops. -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk 18:02, 26 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Rename -Chris[dt7] 07:35, 27 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Rename (but as Santa said, it could wait til next episode, in case there's a merge w/Galaga). --PandoraX 21:07, 27 October 2006 (PDT)
  • rename: a nobrainer. a sub can be a sandwich too, a submarine cannot (well it can, but the common def is an underwater vehicle). we can handle the galaga stuff next week easily. --kaini. 21:09, 27 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Soo.... how do we know that it's not the sandwich, and that the "situation" wasn't that they made a run to the local Subway, and forgot the olives? :) --PandoraX 18:05, 20 November 2006 (PST)

Merge

Should the Submarine and Galaga articles be merged together (Perhaps when we have more evidence)? Can't it be logically concluded that it was a submarine that took the Others the the Elizabeth? Any thoughts? -- Liz

  • Not yet: we are still not sure. It could only be a one way deal.--CaptainInsano 06:19, 25 November 2006 (PST)
  • Not yet: Wait till more evidence from future episodes. The next episode is a Juliet episode, and that will probably explain it. ZEKE?(>
  • Not yet: Let's wait for a little bit till we can be sure that they are the same. --James W. 19:30, 4 December 2006 (PST)
  • Not yet: Although, I personally think the submarine is the same thing as Galaga, I think it should be a seperate article until confirmed. --Mr. Crabby 16:35, 4 January 2007 (PST)
  • Yes: I am pretty convinced that they are the same thing. -- Magioladitis 17:07, 4 January 2007 (PST)
  • No Calm down merging folkes. Princess Dharma (banned)

A Submarine in the Swan Hatch Orientation Film

There was a submarine shown in the Swan Hatch Orientation Film. This could be the one the Others are using. Which could mean the Others are either part of the Dharma Initative or maybe stole it from Dharma similar to how they stole the sailboat from Sayid/Jin. --Hatch7 14:00, 12 January 2007 (PST)

Hmm, I don't remember a sub in the video, but if you or anyone has a cap of this it would certainly be good to mention on the article. --Sauron18 14:59, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

Theres not one, I watched the video a few times and I havent seen anything yet. --WarthenMan 15:10, 11 March 2007 (PDT)

Just one

Sayid asks if the sonar beacon would help "submarines" (plural), and Mikhail is careful to talk about just a single submarine used by DHARMA. So I think we can assume that he knows of only one submarine. --Pedxing 10:43, 8 March 2007 (PST)

Second Sub Reference

In Par Avion Mikhail again discusses the sonar beacon and says it was knocked out by the electromatic pulse. --IPingUPing 17:31, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

I wonder if he was telling the truth. It's kind of interesting that the security barrier wasn't taken out by the EMP as well. --Doc 09:14, 16 March 2007 (PDT)

Sub Pictures

If those sub pictures are real, it's almost too cute. Makes me want to find the thing and paint it yellow! --Doc 09:12, 16 March 2007 (PDT)

  • I like the sub, it looks cool (and not too "Cute" in my opinion). Does anyone recognize what model or something this sub might be? I can't find too much info on Civilian Submarines....Then again, it could just be a faux tower section made for the episode, but it might still be based on some real model. --Sauron18 20:01, 17 March 2007 (PDT)
    • I used to give tours on the USS Cobia, at the Maritime Museum in Manitowoc, WI. The inside of the submarine is definitely a real Gato Class Submarine - the most common sub used by the US during WWII. The outside, however, is not modeled after any combat submarine, if it is modeled after anything at all. I'm going to guess that there isn't a specific model they were after - just a general submarine look.--Jperkins33 14:55, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

I'm quite sure that the photos of the thing are real but it does look a bit too easy to notice... I mean, it looks quite large and how fat is the chance that the Losties didn't ever catch a glimpse of it while sailing offshore? (Just to clarify what I mean - Desmond, when trying to get off the island, found that its impossible and returned back so he could have seen it; The guys that left the island on a raft could have noticed it; Sayid, Jin and Sun may very well have seen it while sailing round the island in the 2nd Season finale) I doubt that it was kept underwater at all times. Oh and the part when Ethan Rom kills Scott (Steve?), I can't find a way he could have appeared from the water apart from using the sub... but then why the sound of a surfacing submarine didn't alert anyone?--Lorran NAGA Jade 06:10, 18 March 2007 (PDT)Lorran NAGA Jade

  • Sumbarines are harder to spot than you might think. Their grey color blends very easily with the water and the horizon (which is the point).--Jperkins33 14:55, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Did Locke Really Blow Up Sub?

There is some discussion on alt.tv.lost re: whether or not the sub was actually blown up. Some are saying Locke piloted to sub some distance away and only blew up the dock. Evidence cited for this is the fact that Locke is dripping wet right before the explosion (as if he had been swimming underwater). Did they explicitly show the sub's destruction? I didn't record the show so I can't review the scene.--Puddin Tame 06:34, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

They showed an explosion where the sub used to be, but all you see is an explosion behind. You can't tell what exactly is exploding. I would think that the Others could tell by the debris. John looks wet, but it's not obvious. Jack is somewhat wet too from sweat. --Jackdavinci 19:54, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
Its also very possible that given the heat of the cramped sub corridors, and the heat of the weather on top of that, and the sweat of just knowing what he is doing and worrying about getting caught, that Locke is drenched in sweat. He does appear wet, but it could be from something like alot of sweat or a brief encounter with water. He may not have swam underwater (which if he did, would have had to open the sub from under water, which would damage it) but may have treaded in it. Just thoughts.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   19:58, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
He could also have started opening things to flood the sub with water. Sinking the sub would be as good as blowing it up in many ways. Dharmatel4 19:38, 27 March 2007 (PDT)


This isn't quite as unambiguous as I'd like, but hey...--Jackdavinci 03:35, 27 March 2007 (PDT) 

03/26/07
Carlton Cuse: Did Locke really blow that submarine up?
Damon Lindelof: Well I would say that it certainly appeared that he, uh, that he blew it up. You know-
Carlton Cuse: Exactly.
Damon Lindelof: Unfortunately, it was at the expense of Jack.

On a forum I found this: "I was helping out the Set Director's assistant yesterday and he said they actually used 3 submarines. One was the USS Bowfin and the other two were just props one of which was blown up. ....." This suggests that they did blow up a submarine, so i guess they did. [1]

  • In the mobisode "Operation Sleeper" when Jack tells Juliet that Locke blew up the sub, Juliet responds, "Did he?" with the emphasis on "Did," implying that the sub might not have been blown up at all.
    • There are two ways to interprete what she said. She could be questioning either if the sub was actually blown up or if Locke blew up the sub (as opposed to Ben). Dharmatel4 17:46, 14 December 2007 (PST)
      • Or thirdly, was Locke influenced into thinking it was his own idea, when it was really a Ben manipulation to do Ben's bidding? Jack obviously took it the second way (replying Ben was in a wheelchair) but Juliet's expression coupled with being manipulated by Ben herself, leads me to believe the third option is the one she meant with her comment. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 19:28, 18 April 2008 (PDT)

Sub

Anyone a sub-savant who can figure out what type/class/make etc. sub this is. Add that information to the article. It'd be interesting to find out when it was made, by who, etc.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   10:14, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Blowing up the Sub

With the amount of C4 locke had, I'm not sure that he could really have blown up the sub. I think for certain, if C4 was planted on a real sub, the type of explosion seen in the episode would not have happened. With a bunch of C4, you could probably do lots of damage to a part of the interior or breach the hull (and sink it) but I'm not sure you could do enough damage to effectively destroy the sub.

There are also some other leftover questions left about the sub:

  • Where did Locke get the timer and the power source for the C4?
  • Where was it's destination base and facilities? Fiji?
  • How do they stock and transport the fuel necessary to run the sub? (it takes lots of fuel)

Dharmatel4 19:37, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

B-26

The side of the tower on the Sub says "U-26", anyone with submarine knowledge know if this could be telling us something? --Sauron18 12:15, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

  • Taken from Wikipedia: "Unterseeboot 26 or U-26 has been the name of several German submarines or U-boats during the First World War, the Second World War and in the post-war Bundesmarine." The latest version, commissioned in March 13, 1975, was de-commissioned on November 9, 2005, but Wiki doesn't list it's fate... It's a type 206A submarine, but the actual pictures of type 206A's don't look anything like the sub in the ep... Picture of 206A Submarines --RyanBrynna 13:44, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
    • There seem to be are two types of U-26, the older and the newer. That is a picture of the newer kind, made in 1975. The older was sunk in 1940, and looks a bit more like the one we see in LOST[2]. Perhaps DHARMA has a modified version? --Sauron18 13:47, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
  • EDIT: Someone pointed out and I checked on different screencaps, and I was wrong. It says B-26. --Sauron18 19:51, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
There is also a russian submarine with B-26 as its identifier (foxtrot-class), but its way too big to be what is seen in Lost. The exteriors of the sub are props. The scenes of the sub exteriors were filmed at the Molii Gardens Fish pond at Kualoa Ranch. It seems almost impossible that a real submarine could be at that location.Dharmatel4 22:52, 13 April 2007 (PDT)
Yeah, the fan who took the set pics confirmed it was a set prop, but we were wondering if it might've been based on any real submarine. I guess they'll tell us eventually (hopefully). --Sauron18 23:53, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Dock surrounded by land

In the episode One Of Us it looked as though the dock was surrounded by land as if it was a small lake. This could add to the thoughts of the underground passageways (subterrain tunnels) shown in the Barrack's cabling map and how one of the tunnels led to nowhere (possibly the dock). This could also add to the factor why the ride from Real world to the island may have been bumpy as the Sub tried to navigate the tunnels. Can anyone else comment on this? chrisarrow - 13 April 2007

The lake as shown in the episode appears to be at a a considerably lower elevation than the land behind it. Its possible that the lake is at sea level and there are water tunnels connecting it to the ocean. After watching the first episode of the third season again, I now wonder if the lake could be hidden by the elevation change and a piece of land jutting out in the picture of the barracks from far away. Dharmatel4 21:53, 13 April 2007 (PDT)
From a different angle, the appearance of the horizon in this shot pretty much verifies an above-sea level lake near an Other's location. --Eyeful Tower 10:29, 14 April 2007 (PDT)
3x16 submarine docked
Jabrwocky7Added by Jabrwocky7


The filming location of the dock is at Moli'i Gardens and is a fishpond. This adds to proof that the Other's dock is situated in a lake of some sort.[3] --chrisarrow 20:23, 14 April 2007 (PDT)

Furthermore have a look at the following picture: http://www.lostvirtualtour.com/lost/filming_locations/moliigardens/molii-sub04.jpg

This is the same dock as used in the film. Notice the palm tree on right matches that on the left of this pic in One Of US:
3x16 Juliet arrives
Charles KaneAdded by Charles Kane
The filming location of the the submarine does not mean that it is in a lake on the show. Certainly Juliet would have noticed this when she got out and took a look around.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 16:32, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

identification of sub

It seems that the interiors of the submarine are from the USS Bowfin (SS-287) in Hawaii. Its a Balao class submarine which was an evolution of the Gato-class submarines. Sources indicate the two subs are not all that different inside but Balao class subs are rarer.

I stumbled on a message in a forum that gives some alliged information about the sub in Lost. The message (not really a top source) says that the interiors were the Bowfin and that there were two prop sub tops used as exteriors (one of which was destroyed). [4]

The information is also confirmed by [5].

It seems unlikely that the submarine exteriors are anything other than props because the filming location of the Wharf was at the Molii Gardens Fish Pond in Hawaii.

Dharmatel4 22:32, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

Confirmed as "Galaga" in Latest Podcast

On the April 16 official Lost podcast Damon Lindelof confirmed that the "Galaga" is the name of the Sub. The specific quote is:

"Which is why the submarine is named "The Galaga."

It happens at around 12:01. With this new information, I think we should Merge. --Sauron18 20:24, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

  • Agreed: I would also propose a re-name to Galaga (Submarine) Dharmatel4 20:52, 16 April 2007 (PDT)
I have merged the articles to here, however as you've no doubt seen, I've put it as Submarine (Galaga) as opposed to Galaga (Submarine). My reasoning for this is that the sub's name appears to be an insider joke of inspiration, and wasn't explicitly said out loud in the episode for all fans to hear. As the sub has now exploded, I doubt there'll be further mention of its actual name, simply keeping it referred to as the submarine. Galaga is really at the moment just trivia, so I think it should be secondary --Nickb123 (Talk) 10:18, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

Possible inconsistencies

The submarine seemed to be too fast. If you consider the time between Ben telling Richard to get the man from Tallahasee(sp?), and Locke destroying the submarine, it seems too fast. Anyone care to put me straight? Calvin 06:47, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

docking

The article says "There were facilities to dock it at the Barracks and at Hydra Island." Was there established facilities at Hydra island? They used regular boats to travel back from Hydra. Also, it seemed heavily implied that Pala dock *was* used for the sub. --Jackdavinci 12:54, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

I'm basing it on several things. The first is that Jack and the others were almost certainly moved from the Pala Ferry to the Hydra by the Submarine. The second is that the team that went after the sailboat were at the Hydra. The third is that given that they were doing Shark and Dolphin research at the Hydra, it would make sense for there to be a facility on the island. If you think thats not good enough, remove it. The overall point of the edits made today was to describe the facilities associated with the submarine.Dharmatel4 13:31, 17 April 2007 (PDT)
In 3x2, Colleen was instructed, while on Hydra, to "take the Galaga" and recover the sailboat. We now know definitively that Galaga=submarine. In 3x4, we had (either Tom to Ben or Ben to Juliet), while at the Hydra say, "the sub is back." And we shortly saw the fatally wounded Colleen taken to the operating room. The simplest explanation that fits the facts we have is that the sub can dock on Hydra. --Eyeful Tower 15:05, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

Is it fake?

We've never actually seen it move. Juliet woke up in it when it was "docked" at the island, but it's conceivable that this was an elaborate ruse to make Juliet think that the sub was the means of her getting there. Spikebrennan 15:14, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

Decent theory, I thought the same, but then again Colleen led a team on the sub to get the sailboat. That's how they got the drop on Sayid, Jin and Sun. So it must work, but maybe you don't necessarily go in and out of the Island proximity with it? --Nickb123 (Talk) 15:24, 17 April 2007 (PDT)
I dont think the sub is fake. But there are many reasons to question if the sub is the actual means for getting on and off the island. Though, there are also practical reasons why the sub appears as it does. There is only so much they can do with the prop sub at the fish pond. It would have been really difficult to reconfigure the fish pond to look like somewhere else where Juliet would board the sub. Dharmatel4 15:45, 17 April 2007 (PDT)
Given that the Others talked among themselves about using the sub on the O-mission to capture the sailboat(and apparently did use it), it is pretty safe to assume that the sub is (or at least was) real. But I agree that Ben's story about the sub being the only way on/off the Island seems a bit fishy.--Eyeful Tower 19:48, 17 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Ben wanted to have the Submarine destroyed to make sure no one leaves the island. This suggests that the submarine and the beacon was the only reliable and reproducible mode of transportation to and from the island. Yet, there might be other ways only known to him.--Donburi Kaminari 23:41, 2 July 2007 (PDT)

Rename

The title of this article should be Galaga (submarine) to match Elizabeth (sailboat) and Black Rock (ship). Robert K S 16:51, 23 April 2007 (PDT) AMENDATION: As pointed out in this thread, the vehicle type is purely for disambiguation in the other two examples, thus the article title should simply be Galaga. Robert K S 00:30, 2 May 2007 (PDT)

  • Rename "Galaga (submarine)" Seems to fit with precedent for named vehicles. Triptolemus 17:10, 23 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Keep. Black Rock and Elizabeth were said/shown on the series. Galaga was only seen on the closed captions, but not specifically on the series, so a people seeing the series would hear about a Submarine, not Galaga. --Darkmaster 17:31, 23 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Keep. For previous reasons mentioned. Dharmatel4 18:46, 23 April 2007 (PDT)
    • Comment. Both of the keep votes are inconsistent with the article's first rename. Either the submarine's name is the Galaga or it isn't. If it isn't, the pages should be split again. However, Damon Lindelhof has explicitly said that the submarine is named the Galaga. Robert K S 06:50, 24 April 2007 (PDT)
The reason Galaga is in brackets is because even your most diligent viewer would not know it was called such. The writers' name for it was never explicitly said (inaudible in fact without captions), so it should still be seen as the Submarine. Galaga is just a writer name. Its like Zeke or Mr.Friendly, we'd put them in brackets as they are unofficial names (even if the writers referred to him as such) --Nickb123 (Talk) 07:29, 24 April 2007 (PDT)
The situation is unique in that Galaga both is and is not the name (because its a writer name). Given that, reversing the order vs. the other named vehicles seems reasonable. The other choice (which I dont support) would be to remove Galaga from the article name and demote it to a mention as trivia. Dharmatel4 09:05, 24 April 2007 (PDT)
What happens if another submarine is used in the show? We might as well keep galaga in there for disambiguation purposes.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 20:57, 24 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename - We've agreed that Galaga is to be concidered to be the submarine. Thus Galaga (submarine) is the only proper name. And the name Galaga has been mentioned on the show. Pierre80 15:25, 24 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Keep as per what Nick said.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 20:55, 24 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename to Galaga. It's clear from the article itself that it's a submarine. Just redirect "submarine" to "Galaga". Only reason to have (submarine) is if there was another Galaga and we needed to disambiguate.--Jackdavinci 19:38, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename Galaga was mentioned on the show, and it was audible, although somewhat difficult to understand (plenty of other Lost dialogue is the same way). Given the Podcast confirmation, it is a slam-dunk. Come on people, it is canon!--Eyeful Tower 14:55, 30 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename Redirect Submarine to Galaga. It was mentioned by the name Galaga in an episode, and is the name of the craft. It makes more sense to redirect submarine to here, and then disambig when or if the time comes. -- Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  16:44, 30 April 2007 (PDT)

RESULT - Renamed to Galaga. Sub, Submarine, Submarine (Galaga) etc redirect.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  06:11, 2 May 2007 (PDT)

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