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so, we finally got a second lost experience :D Cool Man 0912 08:00, 1 January 2008 (PST)

Yeah, and its about time! This one, so far, looks promsing. --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  09:19, 1 January 2008 (PST)

Pack Sams Bag is a spoiler, it shouldnt be on here yet. The spot for the code will not be ready until tomorrow.--mac_ad 14:04, 1 January 2008 (PST)

It's not a spoiler, it has been released from an official source --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 14:10, 1 January 2008 (PST)
It actually is a spoiler, BUT that said, the last TLE didnt care for spoilers, first come first serve, so I suppose we are going to have this arg in the same way. Whatever you find is fair game for posting.--mac_ad 14:29, 1 January 2008 (PST)
Yeah as long as its on ABC hosted servers. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 14:32, 1 January 2008 (PST)
While it technically is a spoiler via LP, I'd agree that via the official ABC outlet, it should be posted. AlaskaDave 12:26, 2 January 2008 (PST) AlaskaDave 11:25, 2 January 2008 (AKST)

Just wanted to say I just signed up to Lostpedia, long time lurker, first time poster, lol. Interested in making a good positive contribution, as due to a medical problem I am disabled, an seriously, spend countless hours every day researching my 2nd favorite thing, (Star Wars being #1). Feel free to contact me, also I do not mind criticism, thats the only way we learn! --UncleNick

Intro

Taken from DarkUFO

While watching the newscast for Oceanic's abandoned search, I noticed that the financial ticker at the bottom moved at an excruciatingly slow scroll, which indicates to me that this information may be helpful in our search for answers. One would easily assume that this scene takes place in 2004, a few months after the crash, but based on the NASDAQ, DOW, and S&P closings, this actually takes place in 2006!! (January 13th, 2006 to be exact.)

Here's a link to the financial record: http://www.investorguide.com/daily-archives.cgi?date=011306

Interesting trivia - but right now I think we can brand this "super analysis" - as in maybe reading way too much into it. Definitely very interesting research though. --Nickb123 (Talk) 15:26, 1 January 2008 (PST)
It's pretty clear that all this is taking place in the present as Oceanic's press release is dated December 28, 2007, and that they will make their return to the airways on December 31, 2007. It's not trivia or "super analysis," it just is. The ticker is probably a clue to be revealed later in the game, but it's not meant to reveal the date of the newscast as that was given to us from the start. --MrsDalloway 19:45, 1 January 2008 (PST)
  • At first glance it appears to take place in the present, however, that would mean that Sam Thomas has been employed by Oceanic for the last 2 years despite the fact that they stopped flying in September 2005 (according to Michael Orteig).
Also in the video on www.flyoceanicair.com Sam clearly states "on September 22nd Oceanic flight 815 took of from Sydney bound for L.A.", he does not specify which year so that would indicate he is speaking in 2004. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CharlieGoth (talkcontribs) .
Your point's indicate that it is taking place in the past. Oceanic reopened on Dec 28th, 2007. So the storyline of this game where they are still searching/just given up had to be before that, ie the past. -Mr.Leaf 19:53, 1 January 2008 (PST)
  • I absolutely agree with Leaf (not only because Im the Adam on Darks page who found the ticker :p), the numbers taken for those 3 stocks were either luckily fudged, or taken from Jan 13 2006, no ifs ands or buts. Here is the kicker, many people think the arg takes place in 2004 shortly after the crash, but the sunda website has reference to the 2004 tsunami and a 2005 tsunami on its map, so we know the arg is taking place nearer to us than 2005. It may in fact be real world based, and its taking place along side us, but that leaves little room for backstory. What I propose is that this Arg will take us over Sam's course, which may be as long as a year, and it starts out the day of that press release about calling off the search, Jan 13 2006, and brings us to the new press release where oceanic is coming back. After all, I think there must have been some off time for oceanic, and as of that video it seems oceanic was still in business while trying to find the crash site.--mac_ad 10:26, 2 January 2008 (PST)
    • So maybe everything we've seen of Sam is present. But Sam is watch a recording of when he was on the news back in 2006 about 815? Does that clean up the timeline? --Gluphokquen Gunih 21:14, 2 January 2008 (PST)

Game issues

So far, the ARG looks really unprofessional and badly put together. I was on the site 1/7 waiting for chapter 2 to start, and it got really glitchy. The timer ran out and reset to 96 hours, the chapter 2 link became clickable but had an error message, and various other aspects of the site had glitches. Finally I got an error page saying it didn't even work. Today I tried again and I loaded a blank page with only one short, meaningless line of source code. Does anyone know how to get around it? --rower from DC

Does this count as an ARG?

It seems too "game-ish" and "fiction-ish" to me. Kayube 16:29, 1 January 2008 (PST)

What exactly do you think "ARG" stands for? The answer is "Alternate Reailty Gaming". So, "too game-ish" is a stupid thing to say. "Too fiction-ish"? Of course it's fiction. It's based upon Lost. dposse 19:29, 1 January 2008 (PST)

What I mean is, that usually ARGs try to make the action seem real: that's the "alternate reality" part. In this case the main website tells you up front that it's a game. If the whole story were told through videos such as the one on flyoceanicair.com, it would be different. Kayube 19:56, 1 January 2008 (PST)

Sam and his videos don't seem real to you? They seem just as "real" as anything on Lost, since the mini-clips with Sam look and sound like a mini-episode of Lost. They even have the same music and camera angles! All ARGs are a game, all ARGs have puzzles to solve. Find815 is no different. Finds815 has phone numbers to call, websites and clues to find, and puzzles to solve as well as small clips to watch. The reward for this five week game? "Vital backstory to Lost". Yeah, this is a ARG. Just because the presentation slightly sucks is no reason to degrade it. ABC isn't exactly huge ARG creators. dposse 20:02, 1 January 2008 (PST)
No, I agree with Kayube. Think back about how the last one was presented. They made it look like you had to hack the Hanso Foundation web site, crack somewhat complicated codes, and find home-video clips hidden here and there by whats-her-face. It was like you were uncovering some kind of real hidden plot. This time it's little mini-clips that are obviouly professionally produced, and they've got hints on the site labeled "Hint". It's much more "game" than "alternate reality". I think the last one was thought to be too geeky and complicated, so they dumbed the whole thing down. --Doc 13:57, 2 January 2008 (PST)
I personally prefer this style of ARG; I found The Lost Experience too difficult to follow, as it relied on way too many media outlets and at the end of the day, I found keeping up with the ARG to be too much of a chore. While Find 815 doesn't have the same "immersion" factor that TLE did, I'm finding it much more enjoyable to play and more fulfilling, partly because I only need to keep up with one website (which has a convenient way of saying when the story will continue), rather than fretting about missing the most obscure "clues" in the source codes of half a dozen different sites. It is "dumbed down" somewhat, but I certainly prefer it (and I'm almost 17 so I'm in no way an idiot) and I imagine that lots of casual Lost fans will be more eager to participate in this. I'd definately like to see more mini-ARGs like this in the future. However, on the Kayube's point... however different this may be from ARGs like TLE and Heroes Evolutions, it is still an alternate reality game. I mean, what else would you classify it as? It has so far utilised two websites (more if you count the ABC site and Yahoo) and two phone numbers, which is a decent start. Bohrok Awakener 07:48, 3 January 2008 (PST)
Right now, it seems like pretty much everything but the main website is perfectly consistent with the "this is not a game" ethic of ARGs. The ads, the phone numbers, the websites, it all works, except the main website is clearly a game. Kayube 19:28, 3 January 2008 (PST)

This Page

  • This page should be used to tell the overall story as just that a story. There is no need for step by step analysis of how we learned anything in this page, that can be included on the chapter articles, clue articles or just other articles. -Mr.Leaf 20:02, 1 January 2008 (PST)

Speaker and the Lost Ninja return.


I'm not sure where this infomation goes. Any ideas? dposse 19:32, 1 January 2008 (PST)

They havent really made a huge leap in the game, or been pointed out as being directly related yet. Id say for now they dont need to be added to 815, but you can add it too the speaker and ninja pages.--mac_ad 10:30, 2 January 2008 (PST)
Is Speaker even in on this? I mean he's been locked out of insidetheexperience.com - kinda implies the new powers that be pushed him out of being official spokesdude --Nickb123 (Talk) 10:45, 2 January 2008 (PST)
I wonder if Sky will put forward some kind of in-game figure, seeing as The Other Girl was a C4-based character? --elpaw 11:30, 2 January 2008 (PST)
The Other Girl was rather useless though.. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 11:40, 2 January 2008 (PST)
Shhhh don't tell nick, he had a bit of a crush on her ;) --elpaw 11:52, 2 January 2008 (PST)
Old record much elpaw :-p --Nickb123 (Talk) 11:59, 2 January 2008 (PST)

Cheating

Anyone had any luck with flash decompilation?

I've tried decompiling Wife2.swf but I'm not getting anywhere, it apparently doesn't contain actionscript (mayhap it's AS 3.0, which my decompiler might not handle). I've hit a dead end with it.

--elpaw 10:17, 2 January 2008 (PST)

  • I'm checking out Flash Decompiler Trillix.--Mc peko 13:30, 17 January 2008 (PST)

8 hours and 15 minutes

I just started playing Find 815, and I have a small question. After completing the first section of the game, a timer showed up on the screen that says, "Story continues in: 008:15," then counts down from there. I'm just wondering if everybody has to wait 8 hours and 15 minutes to continue, or if I just coincidentally got to this section with 8 hours and 15 minutes remaining...Cononach 10:26, 2 January 2008 (PST)

  • You just happend to coincidentally get that when it was 8h 15m left - nothing to do with the numbers. The story will next update at 1AM GMT. --elpaw 10:28, 2 January 2008 (PST)
  • I must have gotten there 3 hours and 12 minutes too late to see that odd coincident :) AlaskaDave 12:20, 2 January 2008 (PST) AlaskaDave 11:18, 2 January 2008 (AKST)
  • Haha, weird. Just one of those coincidences that only happens on LostCononach 15:39, 2 January 2008 (PST)

Sluggish Site

Is anybody else having problems with slow loading times on Find815.com? I get it every now and again, and now using firefox i currently cant load up Sams desk, just server problems i guess..? --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 17:37, 2 January 2008 (PST)

YES!!!! I'm sooo mad! Every time I go to that site, my computer freezes! So annoying! I'm able to go to the other sites. -- #1LostFan  talk  contribs  Lost Wiki  17:40, 2 January 2008 (PST)

It's likely just a server overload. Anyone who frequents LP regularly will remember around the finale last year you could hardly browse the site. We had millions of visits in 1 day. Unfortunately for a non profit site like this they like have set operating costs and servers to cope with the amount of traffic they are likely going to receive in the next hour are probably far out of their reach. So, it's likely gonna be slow. I recommend if you get on, stay on. -Mr.Leaf 17:43, 2 January 2008 (PST)
True, am going to be very annoyed if i cant work the site.. its 2am here!! --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 17:52, 2 January 2008 (PST)
Evidently someone didn't plan this out very well. Hoodlum = FAIL.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 18:08, 2 January 2008 (PST)

Yes. The ActionScript coding etc., in my opinion, is not good. The video productions though, very good. Respect to the video people. Come on, you could do better to the Flash people.--Mc peko 13:34, 17 January 2008 (PST)

The Result

Well I stayed up until 2am, to get the clue - 888 548-0034. HELPFUL TO ME IN ENGLAND ISNT IT?!?! lol. Somebody call it!! --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 18:19, 2 January 2008 (PST)

I stayed up until 3am and got this number. It's not that helpful for a german :( Ack. --User:jensma 03:24, 3 January 2008 (MEZ)

  • Have you tried making an account? You can choose what region you're from, and they may give you a different number...Cononach 04:33, 3 January 2008 (PST)
I can only find 2 clues. The Pearls and The DS Album. I can't click the tickets on the bed...little help?--Baker1000 18:28, 2 January 2008 (PST)
Ah you dont click the tickets, the next one is the rocking chair above the driveshaft CDs --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 18:30, 2 January 2008 (PST)
Thanks, I did it.--Baker1000 18:34, 2 January 2008 (PST)
Hm.. the phone number weilds the same results as the Oceanic Press Release number did.. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 18:37, 2 January 2008 (PST)

After changing the contrast/brightness/colors an image similar to that of the oceanic logo can be seen far easier- Logo2

  • Your sentence makes little sence and you should sign your post.--Mc peko 13:39, 17 January 2008 (PST)

ABC's website

So, after I click on the Season 4 clue, it tells me to go to ABC's website to find the season four code. But I can't seem to find anything on ABC.com. Am I looking in the right place? Cononach 18:56, 2 January 2008 (PST)

You are, however the ABC website has now deleted the game, it seems ABC made a bit of a cock up when the clue was released, however the code word to use is MATTHEW. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 19:01, 2 January 2008 (PST)
The clue has been changed to ABADDON. 19:33
Dang! How long was the game "up" on ABC? A few hours? It's a bit unfair for them to have pulled it so fast ... however, I'm sure that they're well aware that web resources like this exist en masse. Frankie Viturello 20:49, 2 January 2008 (PST)
The Game is still up, just go to Lost at ABC.com. Towards the bottom, it says pack Sam's bag. Click it, and it goes to the game. -- #1LostFan  talk  contribs  Lost Wiki  22:47, 2 January 2008 (PST)

Maxwell Group email - codebreaking?

Anyone interested in trying to find patterns in the email? I've decomposed it into recurring patterns here. --elpaw 14:07, 4 January 2008 (PST)

  • I don't know whereas there's an actual code to go along with this. There's way too many characters, though I will try. There are the obvious reoccuring patterns (ie ∫#ÜÃAm“Œ∂ŸÆÈ®õ‹,) which one has to wonder if they are a red herring or not. -- WanderingMathematician  talk  contribs  email  08:53, 5 January 2008 (PST)
    • It could just be something they copy/pasted a few times to make it longerCononach 12:29, 5 January 2008 (PST)

United Kingdom

It kinda sucks that the UK hasn't been so involved. Theres the pack sam's backpack on the ABC and australian yahoo site but nothing as far as I know on the sky one. Channel 4 would have been more involved. Any thoughts? DrGiggles 09:07, 5 January 2008 (PST)

Yeah it sucks that Sky One aren't involved. Their Lost site is so outdated, so it doesn't surprise me really.--Baker1000 12:52, 5 January 2008 (PST)

Who's this written by?

I mean....if the writers are on Strike, who's writing this? If it's ABC or the Australian company that's producing it, then it should definitely NOT be taken as Canon.--Occono 04:40, 10 January 2008 (PST)

Yeah I was wondering this myself.. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 04:43, 10 January 2008 (PST)
Samstatus
Does the WGA cover things like this? Also who's to say it wasn't written before the strike? I was poking around on Sam's facebook, and saw that it was updated on Nov 5. The day the strike started. So some of the writing had to have been done before then. --Gluphokquen Gunih 08:58, 10 January 2008 (PST)
Thats a good find Doug, although its still suprising that there was no word about FIND 815 before it was released. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 03:39, 11 January 2008 (PST)

alternate reality game? i don't think so

is find 815 an "alternate reality game", like Lost Experience? I don't think so, it seems to me more like normal game (unlike LE, it is only on few sites (find815.com, flyocenic.com) and has no tie-in to our reality... it looks like a normal game to me (and easier to follow than the Lost Experience monstrosity) --Running 03:24, 11 January 2008 (PST)

Disagree, disagree, disagree. For one thing The Lost Experience WAS NOT a "monstrosity" as you call it, confusing at times yes, but a monstrosity? No. Also, just because its set in the reality of LOST doesn't mean that it is not an ARG, one site defines it as - "a game where the enjoyment comes from the evocation of a consistent, plausible fictional reality. Usually played in teams over the internet, often featuring websites with hidden messages." Which in my opinion, the game fits perfectly into that genre. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 03:37, 11 January 2008 (PST)
well, i didn't want to talk about the Lost Experience, but I really did find it too confusing to follow - but it could be entertaining for others - and it was just as the definition said, played over the internet with many sites with hidden messages (for me, there were too many of them). But the Find 815 is more like normal adventure game with all puzzles and story and everything, only inside a browser window...--Running 04:10, 11 January 2008 (PST)
ARGs usually don't admit to being games. On the Help section on find815.com it says this about the game: "A Story Activity is a new type of storytelling. It is also a story that requires you, the viewer, to perform a task to progress the narrative." I think the best thing to call it would therefor be a Story Activity. Not nearly as cool as Alternate Reality Game, sure. But it seems to be what they're calling it. --Gluphokquen Gunih 07:59, 11 January 2008 (PST)
So, will it be ok if I change "alternative reality game" to something different, for example "adventure game", in the main article? --Running 01:04, 12 January 2008 (PST)
No. Find 815 is an alternate reality game, regardless of what specialty name for the game was cooked up by its creators. Robert K S 04:05, 12 January 2008 (PST)
OK, then every game in the world is "alternate reality"? because for example, Need For Speed has its own reality, it is ARG? Because there is no turtles big as human, Super Mario Brothers is ARG? Because there are no people, talking with nonsence noises, The Sims is ARG? And so on and so on.... I don't think so. --Running 04:22, 12 January 2008 (PST)
It is an alternate reality game because it involves real-world media in a manner that is complicit with the fictional-world storyline. The Lost Experience was ARG because of the glyph hunts, Rachel's appearance at SDCC, the Apollo bars, and so on. Find 815 is ARG--admittedly, not as complex or involved as TLE--because of the TV and print ads for Oceanic and the use of Myspace and Facebook in a manner that indicates that Sam is a real-world person. That he is not, is Exhibit A that Find 815 is an alternate reality game.TheBookPolice 12:09, 15 January 2008 (PST)
My arguement though is the cardinal rule of ARGs is TINAG: This is not a game. I have never heard of an ARG to admit to being a game. The facebook and myspace pages have not contributed to the story at all, so the whole thing is more or less confined to one website once you get there. You control Sam's actions, there are recaps and progress reports built in. Show me one other ARG that has done either and I'll say ok maybe it is an ARG. Until then I really don't think it is. --Gluphokquen Gunih 15:40, 15 January 2008 (PST)

Edit

I don't know how the comment by CharlieGoth got deleted when i posted. Thanks Graft for fixing it, and my apologies to CharlieGoth. --Gluphokquen Gunih 18:27, 11 January 2008 (PST)

More Facebook Finds (probably out of game)

TroupeFB

I was on Facebook, and decided to see if Sam had updated anything, and saw on his recently added friends a familiar name Gary Troup, so I clicked it and checked his friends. But Sam was the only one. Also Gary's user pic is a ship similiar to the black rock. Now I'm 99.98% sure, that this is just someone thinking they're clever and making a dummy acount, but I just wanted to throw it out there. I know for TLE we sometimes made mentions of out of game material to help people stay on track. Anyone see any reason to mention this anywhere? I don't think there is as it was just blind luck I came across it when this name was still in the mini-feed. Thoughts? --Gluphokquen Gunih 23:15, 11 January 2008 (PST)

Probably worth keeping an eye on, just in case. Although, it wouldn't make much sense for them to work him into the Find 815 story in this way, considering he died right after the plane crash by being sucked into the turbine. So I agree, 99.98% sounds about right. ;) -- Graft   talk   contributions  23:57, 11 January 2008 (PST)
I friended him a while back and got no response, so I calling it a dead end. Probably just some fan, thinking it'd be cool. --Gluphokquen Gunih 12:35, 20 January 2008 (PST)

Clue word is "Cheyne", not "Cheyenne"

I'll put this up here, as some people may still be confused. The clue word for the Black Rock trivia game got updated to "Cheyne" the next day after the game came online; in other words, it was originally "Cheyenne", but now it is "Cheyne", as detailed at the clues page for that day. By going to the Black Rock trivia game at ABC.com, you can see that they give "Cheyne". (Also, DarkUFO asked about this issue to his inside source at the game, and they confirmed that it was a spelling error.) -- Graft   talk   contributions  04:20, 12 January 2008 (PST)

Ending

I was talking to my friend and we came up with the idea what if Sam is on the boat coming to pick up the losties, and on the last part of the game the ship recieves the transmission from Jack. I know it probably wont happen, but I know i'm not the only one who would think this would be an amazing ending to the game!--Connerxcountry57 14:59, 14 January 2008 (PST)

I would hate this. See the game has had so many problems and continuity errors and time-line errors and all together unprofessional ism that IMO while good as an ARG if this turns into the actual Lost storyline, bad move. Besides they'd have to re-explain the whole story on the actual show then, a waste of time. -Mr.Leaf 15:01, 14 January 2008 (PST)
Agreed, this ARG has been very poorly run. I like the idea of it being set in the Lost Universe, however it doesnt have the same edge as TLE did, nor the great clues or the feeling that there was something to look into in everything. --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 16:41, 14 January 2008 (PST)

Cheyne Walk / Thomas Carlyle

There's almost bound to be something deliberate about the choice of this address. The consensus seems to be that it refers to the street of the same name in Kensington in London (although I doubt that the actual street numbers there ever approach the four-hundreds). A lot of people think this may suggest Penny's address, which is certainly possible.

Using "Cheyne Walk" as a tag on Flickr brings up only two images, one of fairly empty street and the other of a statue of the philosopher Thomas Carlyle (Wikipedia).

Lost has been keen on philosophers so far! There are several interesting possible links here:

a) Sam's name is Sam Thomas

b) Boone and Shannon's surname is Carlyle

c) Thomas Carlyle looks a hell of a lot like Jacob on the Wikipedia page above ("The most familiar view of Carlyle is as the 'bearded sage' with a penetrating gaze.") and

d) Carlyle's death is 1881, the date the Black Rock vanished.

What does anyone else think? Are we supposed to see a connection here? KC 01:41, 16 January 2008 (PST)

  • I think this is an interesting catch. As Flickr seems to be a related site, I think that's a good clue. I also agree with you that he looks like the shot of Jacob that we saw. All in all, very interesting. -- WanderingMathematician  talk  contribs  email  13:00, 16 January 2008 (PST)

Question for you guys outside of the states

Was the chapter 1 clue "Abaddon" as the article says or "Abbadon" as in Lance Reddick's character. If it is the second could you go ahead and change it? Thanks --Gluphokquen Gunih 04:31, 16 January 2008 (PST)

Remove chapters

The chapters should be removed from this page, I think. There is way too much duplicate information. The images, for one instance, seem random.--Mc peko 13:26, 17 January 2008 (PST)

I revised Chapter 2. I think they were just too detailed, trying to incorporate every clue from each day. I think this page should just be a condensed narrative summary. I think we should leave out things like clue hunts, which are really designed to give little tidbits from past seasons and the next season in order to get people revved up for the premiere. They don't relate to the story of Find 815. I think doing it this way not only increases the readability of the page, but gives each tier a different purpose: narrative summary for the Find 815 page, game summary for the chapter pages, and complete clue details and notes on the clue pages. -- Graft   talk   contributions  17:06, 19 January 2008 (PST)

OurMutualFriend42

Anybody been following the recent discoveries over at DarkUFO? Somebody using the name OurMutualFriend42 has been posting in message boards and chat rooms leaving clues that lead to pages on the find.com site. I haven't looked into it too deeply yet, but it seems like it's starting to get more convincing as being officially in-game. I think the only source that has confirmed it so far though is Dark's "inside contact". Should we be keeping track of this? -- Graft   talk   contributions  13:47, 17 January 2008 (PST)

I think it's pretty safe to dismiss OurMutualFriend42 now. We were given the www.baliholidayfun.com site directly from the game, so it wouldn't make sense to also have someone posting clues to the site on message boards. Probably just someone who discovered the page on the find815.com server. -- Graft   talk   contributions  03:32, 18 January 2008 (PST)
DarkUFO stated in his post Ourmutualfriend42 and Chat that Ourmutualfriend42 is indeed real, but that chat posts under that name can not be taken seriously, while posts in comments can. Oodles 10:16, 9 February 2008 (PST)

I don't know if any of you have noticed this, but the plane on the logo is a Boeing 747, not a Boeing 777, the type of aircraft Flight 815 is. -- #1LostFan  talk  contribs  Lost Wiki  20:37, 19 January 2008 (PST)

It's not necessarily a B747; the Airbus A340 and A380 airliners, both in service today, also have the same engine configuration and proportions as the plane in the logo. You're right, however, that it's definately not a 777 (which, for the aviationally-challenged, only has two engines, while the plane in the logo clearly has four). I doubt that it's anything significant, though; just an oversight. Bohrok Awakener 09:22, 20 January 2008 (PST)

Question about matching up with show storyline

I'm sort of confused about Find 815 because the basis is that Oceanic gives up searching for the plane, it's not found. Yet, we hear from two different people in the show (Naomi and Anthony Cooper) that they found it with all passengers inside. Sooooo, what's the deal? My only guess is that this game is going to end with them making the fake discovery of the faux plane and the main character of this game assuming it's correct, or what? Voodoo 20:50, 23 January 2008 (PST)

Nobody is sure what the timing of Find 815 is supposed to be and how it will all be reconciled. There is another issue in terms of when the flashforward at the end of season 3 was set and yet more issues with regard to when Naomi and Anthony Cooper learned about the discovery of the plane. I originally thought that find815 would be set in 2004 and that it would conclude with the finding of the fake wreckage. I'm not totally sure about that now for a number of reasons. Dharmatel4 21:20, 23 January 2008 (PST)
What calls into question Find 815 not taking place pre-Christmas 2004? The only thing I've seen is the original Oceanic press release, which because it crossed over into the real world was dated Dec 2007. -- Graft   talk   contributions  21:43, 23 January 2008 (PST)
Well there's also Sam's facebook changing to say he's heading to Jakarta in current time. --Gluphokquen Gunih 00:16, 24 January 2008 (PST)
The other curious thing is that I've seen a couple questions asked about how it fits into the timeline put to people involved and there was a very intentional no answer. They could easily back-date the whole thing at the end by saying the real-world events are non-canon If they wanted. But I keep wondering if they have something else in mind. Dharmatel4 00:47, 24 January 2008 (PST)
I think the timeline will be reveiled during chapter 5 (I hope). --Gluphokquen Gunih 07:28, 24 January 2008 (PST)
To be honest im personally 100% sure that the timeline is supposed to be pre-christmas 2004, it matches up well with the timeline of Lost, and as this is supposed to be canon it is one of the only ways this matches up. In addition, I also believe this as it was said in the game that Sam would not be getting home before Christmas, and should expect to be home early January. But hey.. Season 4 is going to be during that exact time, spooky huh? --Lewis-Talk-Contribs 02:57, 24 January 2008 (PST)
In support of the theory that Sam's actions take place in late 2004, in the hacked video (28/12/07) Sam says "On the 22nd of September, Oceanic flight 815 took off from Sydney...". He does not give a year as he would if he was speaking in 2005, 2006 or 2007. Also, the e-mail Sam receives with Sonya's picture says "I was […] and saddened to hear about the recent tragedy." I think this is the reason why the reference to the 2004 Tsunami has been removed. Sam is still pre-Christmas 2004 and it has not yet happened!Oodles 02:44, 25 January 2008 (PST)
the newest theories say that the appearance of the aurora might coincidence with the day that the sky went purple (the implosion of the hatch) --Hunter61 21:32, 24 January 2008 (PST)

Thanks for this discussion, guys. The apparent time discrepancy just came to me recently: if the game was set in Jan 2008, how could Naomi get to the island in 2004 and tell people about wreckage and bodies? Turns out, it probably wasn't Jan 2008. At the bottom of the page, someone's asking about a new section for unanswered questions. This would probably fir right in -. Grillage .- 21:09, 8 February 2008 (PST)

find 815 and the timeline

I think there is no doubt now that find815 is set somewhere between September 23rd and December 11th 2004. (the upper bound being set by Anthony Cooper being on the island) The press releases are not part of the game and the dates on them can be disregarded. Dharmatel4 10:59, 31 January 2008 (PST)

I agree. I think it's clear that Sam's "discovery" is what Naomi and Cooper referred to. Unfortunately, press releases have to be dated in the present, and I think those dates can be ignored. -- Graft   talk   contributions  21:29, 31 January 2008 (PST)

Site updated

The find815.com site has a new splash and explanation page, but it doesn't seem to have any clues that I could find--Herarat 22:56, 31 January 2008 (PST)

I noticed that too; nothing new in terms of the game as far as I can tell. But I do notice that they are now saying that Find 815 will connect to season 4. -- Graft   talk   contributions  23:14, 31 January 2008 (PST)

Adding a remaining/unanswered questions section

Should there be one?--Brett 03:58, 6 February 2008 (PST)

Sounds like you probably have a few already, Brett. I'd suggest you try and start it, let's see where it goes. The question about the timeline would be a first to me: when exactly is the game set? -. Grillage .- 21:11, 8 February 2008 (PST)

Ok I've added a fair few. Might have gotten carried away but oh well haha.--Brett 05:27, 9 February 2008 (PST)

Canon

In an interview with Entertainment Weekly posted online this week, Lindelof says Find 815 may not be completly canonical. Should that be mentioned in the article? Here's the text:

LINDELOF: We cannot say that any of that stuff in Find 815 is in canon. The Maxwell Group is something that Hoodlum came up with. Last fall, we presented them with the idea that, at the beginning of the second episode, a salvage ship was going to find wreckage of Oceanic 815. From there, they came up with a story — and backstory — that led up to that event. [Some background: prior to the strike, the producers and ABC's marketing team hired a company in Australia called Hoodlum to execute Find 815.]

Just letting you know --Jeff 10:22, 21 February 2008 (PST)

Based on the quote, it would seem that find815 should be made Deuterocanonical rather than Canon. Dharmatel4 10:36, 21 February 2008 (PST)
Agree Deuterocanonical. It's a shame that Hoodlum didn't try to make sure they were keeping it canon. I feel kinda jipped. --Gluphokquen Gunih 15:18, 21 February 2008 (PST)

Introductory paragraph

I vastly overhauled the introductory parapgrah, removed redundant content, moved details about the EW article to a later section and completely deleted the extensive quote from the article.

I think the introductory paragraph is still too long, though. Any suggestions for shortening it?--Nevermore 10:58, 4 March 2008 (PST)

Site updated

DarkUFO are reporting that the Find 815 site has been updated. [1]--Baker1000 16:34, 28 March 2008 (PDT)

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