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Theories

Regarding Free Will, The DHARMA Initiative and the current state of The Others

  • The Lost Experience suggests that The DHARMA Initiative failed. This may have been the horror of horrors for the original team; if the equation factors cannot be changed, then this may be evidence that Free Will may not exist.
  • Plan B for The DHARMA Initiative became, "If we can't change destiny, can we survive the inevitable instead?"
    • And that is what The Others are now - a cradle for humanity after everything else fails on Earth. An ideal, well supplied, mini-society that serves as a failsafe.
      • This would explain Ben's "come hell or high water" insistence on finding a way for humans to reproduce on the island.
      • Evidence of The Others' good health and physical strength suggests that they may be been chosen for their physical qualities - they are Good People.
      • Arrival of the Losties represents an opportunity and a danger - the Losties may be good additions to their group. Or they may contaminate it.
  • Not all The Others believe in this Plan B and hold out hope that free will DOES exist but may admit that it might be very rare. Finding individuals that may possess the capability of free will is an ongoing effort. Immediate scrutiny of the Losties arrival may be evidence of the intention of finding candidates.
    • The reason for Skinner Box experiments on the Losties may be an effort to discover people who can make decisions uninfluenced by environment, which may be evidence of Free Will.
  • The founding of the original DHARMA Initiative was intended to be a multi-discipline effort. To have conflicting ongoing research initiatives to find a solution - any solution - would not be incompatible with the original mission of the initiative.
    • But this doesn't mean that it is easy for The Others, thus the friction between Julet and Ben.
    • Even Fate and Free Will may not be incompatible - fate brought the Losties to the Island but some may have Free Will anyway and be able to influence the core values of The Valenzetti Equation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Malic (talk • contribs) .

Pictures

A nice picture to add would be a screenshot of Charlie wearing the word "Fate" on his hand in "Fire + Water". This happens during the dream sequence when he finds his piano in the ocean. --Dagg 15:37, 2 January 2007 (PST)

  • Thanks for finding where this reference happened. Don't the bandages in his nondreams say "LATE"? I know you are right on the "FATE" part in his dream, though. I'll ask around with the usual crowd that supplies us screencaps. --PandoraX 09:23, 3 January 2007 (PST)
  • Also LATE spelled backwards is "ET AL" which is Latin for "and others." --User:Downclipse 14:52, 16 February 2008
  • Lost Soul provided it, and I added it. Looks nice now. --PandoraX 10:41, 6 January 2007 (PST)
  • Looks great :).--Dagg 10:54, 6 January 2007 (PST)

Luck

"Tricia Tanaka Is Dead" has brought up some themes about LUCK which I guess would fit here. Does luck fall more under "fate", "free will" or does it deserve it's own subsection? --Jackdavinci 11:41, 1 March 2007 (PST)

Rename

  • yes-On the themes and lists nav bar, this article is refered to as Fate vs. free will, which I think it's a more suitable name for it, because that name draws more attention to the vs. implying the strong contrast of fate and free will on the show. Unlike that, having versus instead of vs. makes it look like a proverb or a sentence, and not like a title.-- Orhan94  Talk  Contribs  02:43, 16 October 2008 (PDT)
  • Disagree: I don't see any reason to rename. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  12:05, 2 November 2008 (PST)
  • Disagree: There is no need to have abbreviations in page titles, just have the proposed title simply as a redirect. 72.148.42.192 01:06, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Agree. I think vs. just looks better, and is more recognized. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 18:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Agree – btw: are anonymous contributors entitled to vote? --DerAndre (talk) 03:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Disagree. I do not see the point since they mean the same thing, the only difference is one is an abbreviation and do we really need an abbreviation for a title?Wild ste 15:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
    • And we really don't need an abbrevation for a title, beacuse of what...  Orhan94  Talk  Contribs  22:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Because of the reason I said, it means the same thing but one is an abbreviation. Why change it?Wild ste 16:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
DECISION : No consensus. Personally though, does it really matter? Someone could type in versus, vs., vs, v. or v, and all mean the same thing. The use of the word is versus is full, encyclopedia and correct and directs can be used for the other variations.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  15:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
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