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Thank You 
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To whoever did the missions on this page. I made it but havn't seen Sason 4 so didn't want to get the missions wrong --Rbfskywalker 06:49, 9 March 2008 (PDT)
- No problem. =] -- Sam McPherson T C E 17:50, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
What the heck, now lostpedia is simply making up terms and hoping they'll catch on? This page should seriously be deleted.--moss ryder 09:03, 12 March 2008 (PDT)
- Nah, I think it's helpful and beneficial to other people who want to know what missions they have accomplished or failed. There are articles floating around on Lostpedia that deserves to be deleted, but something like this is very well made and interesting/informational. So nah, let's keep it. -- Nusentinsaino talk contribs email 09:10, 12 March 2008 (PDT)
Yay I did somthing right :) creating this artical WAS a good idea after all :)
Missions?Edit
Many of the "missions" in this article shouldn't be considered actual missions. Most noticeably "To Remember the Cards ". That is not a mission at all. The defenition of an A-mission is "a quest which departs from the main body of the survivors, and involves either rescue, assistance to another, or betterment of the survivor community as a whole. Therefore, missions such as when Sawyer went hunting for the boar or tree frog do not fall on the term "A-Mission" as these were personal quests.". F-missions should be defined the same way except referring to the freighter team members. "To Remember the Cards" is definately a "personal quest". Aside from being personal, it was not a by defenition a quest either because Daniel and Charlotte did not embark on a journey or even remotley leave the beach. Also, "To Discover the Identity of Naomi's Killer " should be removed as it was really part of "To Find the Other Freighter Team Members ". -- Hco22 7:43, 10 March 2008
- I agree with the first, but not the second. Miles specifically asked to be taken to Naomi's body, as a detour from searching for the other freightees. Dan even states something like "But we have to find Charlotte," but miles interrupts. So I think that it's a standalone. -- Sam McPherson T C E 17:50, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
Well, since you agreed with removing "TO remember the Cards", i went ahead and did it. (i won't be surpirsed it someone puts it up again though). I'd also like to point out that "To Recieve the Paylod" and "To Help Desmond Find a Constant" aren't fitting the defenition of missions to well either. Daniel didn't go anywhere to receive the paylod, not much happened, and as of now the freighter people were'nt tremendously helped by Daniel discovering that rockets fly slower than expected. Helpind find Desmond a constant; again not really meeting "mission" criteria; not a lot of movement involved, or positive outcomes for the people on the freighter. It should be noted that since A-missions are defined by bettering the community of the survivors, that F-missions should be helping the freighter people accomplish their mission (whatever it may really be) and saving Desmond, helped out the survivors, not them. I'll leave it up to anybody to agree with me, and help make this a better article. -- --Hco22 20:12, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
I think that the payload could become more imporant so we should keep it --Rbfskywalker 15:38, 12 March 2008 (PDT)
I agree, the "To Receive the Payload" and "To Help Desmond Find a Constant" aren't missions, as they are personal activities. The payload can't be a mission because it's important, as a similar example could be Sayid and Jack exploring the Swan station and that wasn't a mission, but important for understanding of the Island. A-Missions aren't including "Getting Miles to talk" or anything, so I don't think that these two examples can qualify. --The Smiley-Faced Balloon 05:39, 20 March 2008 (PDT)
Secondary ProtocolEdit
I took the liberty to remove this 'mission' from the list because it is by no means a mission carried out by the mercenaries. If anything, one could almost say it was an O-mission as it seemed Ben was trying to carry out the secondary protocol. Either way, all this was was a new way of trying to catch Ben using intelligence gleaned from the secondary protocol manual, so it certainly does not deserve to be called a F-Mission. --Elliott thomas|talk|contributions 10:25, 27 June 2008 (EST)
There should be a Secondary protocol mission.
For there to be a "secondary protocol," of course, there must be a "primary protocol." There was. Both protocols (missions) were designed by Charles Widmore, who wants to be able to go back to the Island. The first was to capture Ben Linus and present him to Charles Widmore. The second, to be attempted only if the first was unsuccessful, was to destroy the Island's ability to move.
Keamy and his troops raided the Barracks. That wasn't a mission, by the way; that was a method. They failed to capture Ben. Keamy ordered a redeployment to the Kahana, where he studied the guidance on the execution of the secondary protocol. Upon returning to the Island, Keamy and his remaining troops deployed to the exterior portions of the Orchid, where, while they were conducting a reconnaissance, Ben walked up and introduced himself.
Keamy, as noted elsewhere, was no idiot. He immediately reverted to the primary protocol (the first mission), which was handed to him, he thought, on a platter and was easier to complete. He marched Ben to the chopper, where his and his troops abilities to conduct any missions were - ah - terminated.
All in all:
- The first mission failed; Ben was captured, but not presented.
- The second mission failed; it was launched but the operatives died before completing it.
- The "Secondary protocol" terminology had nothing to do with Ben or the Others.
- How did Daniel know about the Secondary protocol...?
--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 07:04, 12 July 2008 (PDT)
F-Team?=Edit
Just the people on the island or everyone?
I vote just people on the island.--Rbfskywalker 07:45, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
Clarifications Edit
Added two new missions. Wondering if F-members who are trying to thwart the mission (Frank, the Captain) count as part of the team per se, or in the case of Miles being used in the invasion on the Barracks to send the walkie to Ben. Also wondering if Frank's plan to get the sat phone to the beach camp counts as part of the mission or it's own separate mission, or maybe even a B-mission (where does Michael's plan to blow up the boat go?).--Jackdavinci 06:52, 9 May 2008 (PDT)
Torch the Island Edit
Has this mission really failed? Keamy is using the second protocol to accomplish it. As long as the mercenaries have not given up, the mission is ongoing.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 12:38, 25 May 2008 (PDT)
- What exactly does "torch the island" mean? It is literally to set the island on fire or what? I seem to be overlooking something. -- Connor401 talk contribs email 20:18, 26 June 2008 (PDT)
- From an on-line thesaurus, "torch" is synonymous with "excite." The best that does is give us another angle from which to approach the problem. --Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 05:43, 27 June 2008 (PDT)
- I'm back to the original idea of torching, to burn. However, it doesn't mean the whole island, only the subterranean Orchid and the Island's ability to move. Partly, this is based on the additional equipment Keamy and his troops loaded on the helocopter before flying to the Island the second time. The first trip, they had their personal weapons, which they still had on the second trip. All that extra gear had to be something like incendiaries.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 17:37, 13 July 2008 (PDT)
Create an M-missions page Edit
Unlike the survivors and the Others, who, despite internal fighting, generally present a unified front in their objectives (although their have been traitors), the freighter groups is very clearly divided into two rival factions that visibly work against one another (for example, Lapidus dropping the sat phone from his helicopter to sabotage the mercenaries). There are the mercenaries, and then the rest, and these are two very different groups with very different goals. Listing mercenary missions with the missions of other freighter people is not that reasonable, seeing that there are two rival groups. On the M-mission page, we could, for example, add 'Mutiny', and on the F-missions we could add 'Retake the Kahana' (a failure, as Gault was killed) or 'Rescue the Survivors' (which would be half accomplished, as the Oceanic Six was rescued but the rest seem to have been killed in the Kahana explosion, and others are stuck on the ship's tender). Anyways, to sum it up, split F-missions into M and F missions so that there will be more consistency. --Elliott thomas|talk|contributions 23:47, 26 June 2008 (EST)
- DocH says: I think things would get spread out too far with a dedicated Mercenary Mission page. The mercs are, and always will be, associated with the (F) freighter. I will add though, that ALL of the 'mission' pages here need to be re-organized to a common outline standard and practices of input. Each mission should outline to something like;
1) Mission Objective(s) (desired outcome, primary, secondary and hidden objectives) 2) Mission Background (what lead to the action) 3) Mission Participants (for/against/unknowing) 4) Obstacle(s) Faced (before/during mission) 5) Summary of Actions (pre/during/post mission) 6) Results (positive & negative, potential impacts) 7) Lessons Learned (who won't work with who again, what tactic failed/works).
I am not saying the above is the best format, just that something like this should be considered - for clarity and continuity between pages. Less about the 'who' (faces) of the mission and more about how the mission influenced the plotline/saga. Maybe add a name/mission matrix - example; Hurley gets an "A" in the block next to his name and below a specific mission because he was A-Team that time, two missions later he gets a "B" for that particular event. --DocH 13:13, 29 June 2008 (PDT)
You make a very good point about how we don't want to spread stuff out, and I think an M-mission page is now probably not the best idea. My one issue though is where would be mark down Captain Gault attempting to retake the ship. This was clearly a well thought out plan, and it certainly deserves to be marked down as a mission of some sort. I don't really think it would be appropriate for it be marked down as an F-mission though if the mercenaries are also marked as F-missions. Elliott thomas|talk|contributions 21:20, 29 June 2008 (PDT)
-- DocH says: Seems Gault's original mission was to 'Command the Kahana'. Retaking command of the freighter would be an extension of his original tasking and should remain under (F). The problem with the Mission pages is that they revolve loosely around the 'A-Team' concept, an off-hand humorous remark by a disgruntled Charlie. The Missions section might be better served if they were reorganized into OA815 Survivor Missions, Native Islander Missions, Off-Islander Missions, Misc. Missions.
~OA815 Survivor Mission could be broken down into Missions to Survive Attack, Missions to Facilitate Rescue, Missions to Remain, etc.... ~Native Islander Mission could be broken down into Missions to Protect/Hide Island, Mission to Return to Island, Missions to Recruit, etc.... ~Off-Islander Missions could include Missions to Locate Island/Individuals, Missions to Conquer/Expose Island, Missions to Recruit, etc.... ~Miscellaneous Missions could include missions on or off island that are unclear in motive or intent, or are strictly for personal reasons that don't influence the greater plot (Nikki/Paolo, etc...). Once intent or the objective is made known, then a Misc Mission could be moved to a more appropriate category, if warranted.
Again, A,B,F & O-Team personnel have crossed sides, crossed teams & switched motives for awhile now AND quite extensively recently, so much so that the wiki here might be better served by moving away from the "TEAM" concept and more toward "specific missions" --DocH 10:16, 30 June 2008 (PDT)
Missions Edit
The term "mission" is grossly overused in this section. Every military operation has a mission. If one is going to use military terminology, he or she gets to live with the results. The missions (note some new team terminology) are:
K-Missions (Captain Gault and crew) Edit
- Deliver the M-Team and the S-Team to the Island and return them safely to Fiji.
S-Team (Naomi and charges) Edit
- Shut down the Tempest.
M-Team (Keamy and troops) Edit
- Capture Ben Linus alive*.
Note *I left out a requirement to kill everyone on the Island; Ben said that. Keamy had one mission; restated it is, "Enter the denied area, capture the hostage, and exfiltrate." Keamy would never win the citizen of the year award, but he was not an idiot. He was perfectly willing to kill anyone who got in his way, but that does not a mission make.
Almost all of the other stuff related to the people associated with the Kahana are functions. If one insists on keeping things like "Rejigger the phone" then one must also add, "Load the weapons on the chopper," "Unload the weapons from the chopper," "Drink plenty of water to avoid dehydration," and other mundane tasks.
It'll be a very long list.
--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 10:51, 30 June 2008 (PDT)
DocH says: Yep. As a high speed operator, I concur. Most stuff on the Mission pages aren't true missions but Mission Essential Tasks & Sequence Lists. We could write the METLs and MESLs for everyone, but few would care to read them. --DocH 16:05, 30 June 2008 (PDT)
Recruited by Abaddon Edit
Do we know that all of the people listed on this page were recruited by Abaddon? We only saw him in the context of recruiting Naomi and her people.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 06:09, 3 July 2008 (PDT)
DocH says: Again - spot on! I noticed that too. Abaddon may or may not have "recruited" all on the chart/table. It reads: "Below is a list of the freighter team, the people who were recruited by Matthew Abaddon." That is presumptive AND unsupported by canon (the show). We see Abaddon with Dorrit. She is tasked with getting the pilot & scientists on the freighter. Keamy & Gault? Did we see on the show (canon) or hear in second hand conversation that Abaddon, in fact, recruited them. We saw Abaddon attempting to recruit paralyzed Locke and mental ward Hurley. Do we add them to the list of Abaddon recruits. Do we add Omar to the list? How about Doc Ray? Suicide anchor-chain girl? Minkowski? Michael/Kevin? Calling the freighter folks a "team" is far-fetched... many different agendas does not a team make. The chart should be changed to read: "Below is a list of characters that arrived on the Kahana freighter." Abaddon recruits can be identified in the individual character block. --DocH 12:38, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
