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Eko's name

Eko's full name is listed as "Eko Tunde" but there has been no confirmation that his last name is "Tunde". I think it should just be "Eko".

The priest in Austrailia called him "Father Tunde." Nanosauromo 17:33, 1 June 2007 (PDT)

What did Eko say?

On Wikipedia's article on Eko's last episode (I forget the name at the moment), it says that if you listen closely, what Eko actually said to Locke was "I saw... the devil...". Now, this could be (and probably is) just rampant OR on the part of the author, but I think it should be checked out just in case. I'll try and find the tape I recorded that episode on, but I might not get to it today (Nov 14). Just curious, 'cause no other Wikipedia article mentioned it and I don't see it mentioned here either.4 8 15 16 23 42 17:30, 15 November 2006 (PST) Oops. My bad, guys: I just found out that it had been confirmed by the podcast as "you're next." So now Wikipedia needs to be corrected.4 8 15 16 23 42 17:33, 15 November 2006 (PST)

Taking action here

Alot of pages on Lostpedia have been nominated for a rewrite, or a renaming. I'm going to go ahead and remove some of these and or rename or rewrite when nessisary. (I know its not spelled right, get off my back about it.) I think the page should be called Eko Tunde, with a redriect from Mr. Eko. If you have any thoughts let me know --Iron Chef 12:41, 29 September 2006 (PDT)

Hey look at Table of Contents. Now find Rename. I have an idea how about you look and see if it is already being talked about before you make a new discussion about. Yeah I bet you feel stupid now, and... well you should.--CaptainInsano 12:47, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
Do you always get off being so condescending to everybody? --CrystalSkull 13:27, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
Welcome to the real world. You call it being condescending, I call it teaching.--CaptainInsano 07:10, 30 September 2006 (PDT)

Wow i feel so stupid. @$$! --Iron Chef 10:18, 1 October 2006 (PDT)

See Skull it is helping.--CaptainInsano 11:25, 1 October 2006 (PDT)

40 days

could refer to a few Biblical stories

  • Old Testament/Torah -- after the flood, Noah and the ark adrift for 40 days and 40 nights before land was again seen.
  • New Testament/gospels -- Jesus roaming through the desert for 40 days.

--BrianSTL 15:03, 29 November 2005 (PST)

Or the 40 years the Hebrews wandered in the desert before coming to the Promised Land.--Tricksterson

    • Actually, the 40 days is probably a refence to Lent, in which some Christians fast for 40 days. Eko probably used this as a symbol for his repentence. Pkal 06:18, 5 October 2006 (PDT)

Church?

According to ABC's Lost diary, Eko and Charlie are building a church. --Jmast7 17:38, 6 April 2006 (PDT)


eko/locke <-> locke/boone?

just rewatching ? and there's an interesting little parallel there - the locke knocking out boone and discovering the plane... and then eko knocking out locke and rediscovering the same place in a totally different way... --kaini 19:36, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

Related to Ms. Klugh?

Where does THAT theory come from? It's like the theory I see all over the place that the Real Henry Gale is Rose's brother. I don't want to call anyone racist, but it seems a bit like profiling to me. Hey, maybe Jin and Sun are related to Marvin Candle! Maybe Shannon and Claire were cousins, since they're both blond!  :: rolls eyes :: -- Amberjet11 09:58, 19 May 2006 (PDT)

==>*rolls eyes* Or maybe you should do your research. Because of a confusing diary entry from the ABC website, some people tried to make that connection between the real HG and Rose, not cause of skin color. And the Ms Klugh thing comes from flashbacks/images seen in the black smoke from Eko's memories, a woman in there resembled Ms Klugh... Again, rolling my eyes here. --Trix


I personally ascribe to this theory as well. In one of the many posts on Spoilerfix.com, it was revealed that "The images in the [monster] smoke [that faced Eko] are ALL very relevant. Some make sense to you now (like the church from Eko's flashback), some will make sense to you LATER (like the woman with the headdress)." Since it's generally accepted that all of the images are from Eko's past, the "woman in the headdress" is likely Ms. Klugh. And he isn't married. He can't be, he's a priest. The "Mr" came from his childhood. It was a nickname that just stuck with him. Levid37 06:47, 23 May 2006 (PDT)

I would like to point out that the woman with the headdress is not in Eko's final flashback episode, or "?". I also read a magazine article about Eko (I think it was Entertainment Weekly), and it said that, while they knew Eko would not be around for long, they did not know when they were going to say good-bye. So it is possible that that was part of a flashback story that got cut. Or perhaps, since it was not in the flashbacks, it will have relevance to present events. Just sayin'. Also, Eko is not a priest, Levid37. 4 8 15 16 23 42 17:25, 15 November 2006 (PST)

Nigeria

The Yoruba are a West African ethnic group and that is also the name of their language. Has anyone else heard of him being from a specific place in Nigeria? Someone had in there that the largest city in Nigeria was called 'Lhasa' (which is the largest city and capital of Tibet), so I changed it to the correct name of the city, Lagos. Lagos was once a Yoruba settlement called Eko. I have no idea if Nigeria as a whole was once called Eko, but I doubt it. --Allium 16:39, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

Last name

Has it been confirmed that his last name is "Tunde"? I was under the impression that "Father Tunde" was a fake name he assumed while he was a priest in Australia (or maybe even back in Nigeria). He also has a fake name printed on his passport, so it's not far-fetched that he uses several aliases. If he used his real name as a priest, it would be easy for the Nigerian government to track him down and arrest and prosecute him for his drug crimes and murders. --Elvis 20:43, 13 June 2006 (PDT)

I assumed he took that name as he was still pretending to be Yemi - and being brothers I would assume that they had the same surname. I could be wrong.--LostCat 04:48, 29 August 2006 (PDT)

Eko is his last name isn't it? --Princess Dharma (banned) 06:10, 4 February 2007 (PST)

Mr. Eko's presence in Season 3

it is listed on the article page that "Mr. Eko will be in season 3 as he is listed on the cast list on IMDB" or something to that extent. Two issues:

  1. should this even be listed at all, as it is a bit of a spoiler. is character information on the article pages only meant to include what has been revealed in show?
  2. IMDB is not official, it should have a ABC affliated official source, correcct?

Two Coyotes 22:58, 17 September 2006 (PDT)

Rename

  • It needs to be Eko Tunde, so matchs all the other main characters. Nobody calls him Mr. Eko excluding himself.--CaptainInsano 18:29, 23 September 2006 (PDT)
  • Agree If we have a character's full name, why should the article be called anything else? --Fezir 13:16, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
  • Disagree I can't find official confirmation that "Tunde" is anything but an alias. Pkal 12:54, 5 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Disagree Agreed with Pkal, no confirmation at all that Tunde is anything more than an alias. He is in Australia under an assumed identity and also trying to procure a fake passport, so it is actually quite likely that he made up the name. --PandoraX 13:00, 22 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Half Agree - I think it should be just Eko, no one calls him Mister any more. -Chris[dt7] 13:02, 22 October 2006 (PDT)
    • No, Locke called him Mr. Eko in Further Instructions. No offense, meant, but by your logic, we should change Jack Shephard to simply Jack, because no one calls him by his last name. Pkal 09:44, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
      • No offense meant either, but it would sound contradictory that Jack's article should be named after his full known name even if people generally don't use it but that Eko's article should be named after a nickname given to him by a mobster because some people still use it occasionally. At this point we know Jack's first and last names, but we don't know Eko's last name. In both cases, the idea is to go with what information is currently available about the character's real name. At first, we used Eko's nickname, because we didn't know anything more about him. Since then, "Eko" has been confirmed as his real first name. That's what we have at the present time. I agree with dt7 that "Eko" is what we should use. If - and when - we learn his last name (be it Tunde or something else), then we can add it. -- Cheers 11:32, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Disagree: No official confirmation...--Gateboy42 13:41, 22 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Rename to Eko. Per dt7, and reasons given above. -- Cheers 11:32, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Agree His name is Eko Tunde. Therefore, the page should be called Eko Tunde. --James W. 08:54, 25 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Disagree How do we know Tunde wasn't an alias?
  • Disagree I always thought it was Tundi, but I think he should still be kept as Mr. Eko, as that's what he was named in press releases right? --J-- 12:38, 13 May 2007 (PDT)

Mr. Eko's real name

Can someone please verify that in the flashback episode, Lost: A Tale of Survival, that Mr. Eko told Sawyer his full name?? I swear I heard him say it, but I don't have TiVO so I can't go back to check. It was during the part when Sawyer/Jin/Michael are walking across the island with the Tallies. If they did reveal his full name, then I think Mr. Eko's page should be updated to reflect it. --Ivalum21 06:28, 28 September 2006 (PDT)

I don't think he revealed his real name on the Island. He says "Mr. Eko", and Sawyer replies with "So what's that like, Mr Ed?"
Although, we do know he used the name Tunde while in Sydney, but we can't be sure whether this is his real name. -Chris[dt7] 02:43, 30 September 2006 (PDT)
It said it in the credits of one of the episodes, but Medianet still has him as Mr. Eko.--CaptainInsano 15:01, 4 October 2006 (PDT)

Death?

I think Eko is going to die next week. The preview makes it look/sound like something sharp is thrown at him. And that TV guide spoiler guy said that there would be a major death of a regular male cast member. He also said it wouldnt be sawyer. --TimDM85 (Talk) 12:04 am, 26 October 2006 (PDT) jack dies and the blade doesnt kill him in the trailer

Theory

"Name sounds similar to Enkidu, the wild man of the woods from The Epic of Gilgamesh" Eko and Enkidu sound nothing alike. they share two letters but have differing vowel stresses and a different number of syllables. Following the logic of this theory, "sit" is similar to "surfing". Bad example, but the only one I could come up with. To me this theory tries a little too hard at finding a link. As far as theories go, this is one of the few ones that makes me say "WHAT?" --Mr Vain 07:07, 1 November 2006 (PST)

After checking out the Gilgamesh page, I see the connection now, but I am going to change it so other readers, like myself, understand that the theory is talking about a literal reference and not a phonetical one. --Mr Vain 07:31, 1 November 2006 (PST)

Eko was a bad man, not a religious man

I disagree with some of the article, in that I don't believe Eko ever showed genuine faith or has any element of good in him. In the end he refuses to repent for his wrongdoings, telling the hallucination of his brother that he "has not sinned". This is despite stealing, drug smuggling and killing at least 5 people.

I believe that when he looked into the eyes of the monster he did not see the beautiful light that John Locke did, because he is judged by the monster to be bad. This is why it killed him.

  • But Eko said he didn't sin in becoming a "bad man" in the first place, killing someone to save Yemi's life. Then he said -- and I loved this line so much I wrote it down -- "I did not ask for this life I was given. But it was given, nonetheless. And with it, I did my best." His refusal to ask for forgiveness was in the first "wrongdoing" he committed in Yemi's place, not for his entire life. For that, he asked for understanding, which I thought was implied by the above quote. --Amberjet11 08:56, 3 November 2006 (PST)
"Genuine faith"? "Element of good"? In fact, if we're talking from a strictly religious point of view, you could be right. But I don't think we could be so reductionist when analysing Lost. Mr.Eko was a man in the true sense of this word. He faced extremely hard life conditions and has got to learn how to deal with them! And I can't realise someone who deserves to be called indeed man who wouldn't do what he did. Arges 06:50, 6 November 2006 (PST)
  • Assuming Eko was speaking from a religious point of view, he is a bad man. However, Eko is not a priest, as we can pretty much tell from The Cost of Living. Eko felt as though he needed to take Yemi's place. I do not think he is a religious man -- he posed as one. However, he is not necessarily a bad man either (when we're talking about killing for Yemi's sake). Eko is a bad man if we look at the rest of his life. Even as he was posing as a priest, he killed three men. His action designate him as a "bad man," despite his circumstances. Pkal 07:05, 6 November 2006 (PST)
Eko is very obviously a genuinely religious man (altho "spiritual" might be a better way of saying it.) No one forced him to carve scripture--"things I need to remember"--all over his walking stick, or to undertake the building of a church. Faith was a HUGE part of his life--and it wasn't some passive belief, it was something he wrestled and struggled with. As for having "no element of good in him"--with all due respect, I find that a bit ridiculous. Yes, Eko did some pretty horrible things. Whether or not they were justified is beside the point: that there was also "good" in him. I think his comment to Yemi in the church sums it up nicely: "Yemi, I know in your world there is a great distance between evil and righteousness, BUT THE REAL WORLD IS NOT LIKE THAT." Eko was a contradiction. To say he was a "bad man" is to fail to grasp his complexity. Besides..."Only God knows." C.m.Nov. 9, 2006
I agree with you. And if killing or being reisponsible for the death of lot of people makes you a bad person than we should list Sayid and Jack as bad. Sayid killed the man in "There's No Place Like Home, Part 2", Bakir, Elsa, Mr. Avelino, Jason, Omar and few other on the Island, and Jack is reisponsible for a lot the killing (Rousseau, Karl, Alex are killed by the freighties he called to the Island;The genocide towards the Others in season 3 and more). Furthermore Kate is a fugitive for killing her own father, Charlie's a drug addict and a thief, Sawyer is a killer and a conman, Sun killed Coleen,had an affair and tried to run away from her husband, Jin did the Paik family's "dirty jobs", Locke grew marihuana, Ana Lucia killed a man in cold blood, Ben is ,well everything listed above. According to all the flashbacks we had 'till now, only Claire, Shannon, Libby, Hurley, Rose, Bernard and Boone are pottentialy "good" people in Lost, even though they all made their own little "messes". So we can't judge people for being bad, because they could always have a change of heart or reggret for their sins.--Orhan94 22:17, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

Eko selling vaccine for what?

In article it is said that Eko met with a black market dealer in an apparent attempt to get word out to Emeka that he was planning on selling the vaccines. What is the clue to this decision? It is not clear whether he is doing that for the said purpose, or simply to find money.

Does he have a tattoo?

Ekotattoo

Tattoo shown on Eko

Umm..does he have a tattoo on his left upper arm? watched s02e18 (Dave) recently and noticed something that looks like a faded tattoo.. was that mentioned anytime on the show? Guess there's a reason it's there, because they would just have covered it up with makeup if not (as they would have done it with Jack's tattoo if it wouldn't fit into the show)

--Peewee 02:38, 22 December 2006 (PST)

Yeah I saw this while watching the other 48 days. If he wasn't meant to have it it would have been covered over with make-up. --Princess Dharma (banned) 06:15, 4 February 2007 (PST)

His Shirt

Was Eko wearing the same shirt for his entire 72 days on the island? Did it just get progressively more tattered and yellowed? Did he wear the same trousers as well? And underwear? Not very cleanly at all. --Princess Dharma (banned) 06:15, 4 February 2007 (PST)

Renaming

  • Rename because Eko Tunde is his name. The monsignor calls him 'Father Tunde' in "?".--Phil 11:38, 2 April 2007 (PDT)
  • Many wikis and websites list Yemi's surname as Tunde, and sometimes even Eko's surname as Tunde--Phil 11:46, 2 April 2007 (PDT)
ABC still has it listed as Mr. Eko; so that is what we are going by.--CaptainInsano 11:53, 2 April 2007 (PDT)

Appearances

Eko did not appear in S1, but I can't find a way to change it on his template...help please?--Baker1000 12:18, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

I actually changed that about 10-20 minutes ago. The appearances links are a work in progress, so I'm still trying to experiment and fix all them and get only the right ones to work. It has been fixed now. -Mr.Leaf 12:24, 18 April 2007 (PDT)
Thank you, I posted this about 20 mins ago but I relised I forgot to sign lol--Baker1000 12:28, 18 April 2007 (PDT)
Okay, no problem. I started all these links to the appearances pages a few days ago, but have been having problems finding the time to finish them so it took me a bit before i could fix it. If you notice any others, let me know. -Mr.Leaf 12:30, 18 April 2007 (PDT)


New rename round

Rename to Eko Tunde: Despite the ABC press release, this seems a better name. The intro can state in brackets "aka Mr. Eko" if needs be --Nickb123 (Talk) 10:04, 12 May 2007 (PDT)

Rename- I agree. I previously tried to get it renamed to Eko Tunde.--Phil (talk) 10:05, 12 May 2007 (PDT)

Rename -Chris[dt7] 10:21, 12 May 2007 (PDT)

Change back to Mr. Eko Mr. Eko is the name he went by in the series (it doesn't matter if you think its a better name or not), also the source is considered non-canonical. I don't think he needs a surname until it is spoken in the show in a flashback or in a podcast. --ISeeDeadPixels 13:31, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

Change back to Mr. Eko Even the article on "Eko Tunde" says the source for the last name Tunde is not canon. The article is conflicting with itself. Unless someone has more info on the last name, in which case it should go in the article. --Gluphokquen Gunih 10:13, 28 May 2007 (PDT)

Change back to Mr. Eko As I understand it, there is nothing that officially confirms it's his name, it is quite possible that it's only mentioned in ? as an alias, so the idea that it's his real name is pure speculation, NOT fact. Jokesnsmokes 18:02, 31 May 2007 (PDT)

Change back to Mr. Eko. I'm a proponant of the name but even I won't believe it until Lindelof and Cuse confirm it. And since we know they troll the fansites, let's hope they see this and answer it for us! --Jeff 17:22, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

Change back to Mr. Eko. It's what he went by in the show, and there's no canonical confirmation that Tunde is his last name. Besides, most of the audience of Lost probably think of him as Mr. Eko, and not Eko Tunde.Jimbo the tubby 01:04, 9 June 2007 (PDT)

It is irrelevant what the fans names for the characters are, as we can always redirect to facts, my question is, where did this name come from? What is the source?  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  03:22, 3 July 2007 (PDT)
Well it's been almost a month since the vote started, and to change back is in the majority, I think it's time for someone to make the change. Jokesnsmokes 08:24, 9 June 2007 (PDT)

Change to just "Eko" - Hardly anyone called him Mr. Eko--Phil (talk) 08:28, 9 June 2007 (PDT)

  • He called himself Mr. Eko, as did the producers. All in all, I'd say that those are the most important people in determining his "correct" name. Jimbo the tubby 11:51, 10 June 2007 (PDT)

Change to Mr Eko I never call him by his second name. DrGiggles 08:49, 9 June 2007 (PDT)

Change to "Eko" or "Mr. Eko" - Since Tunde seems to be non-canon and not even logical (as both surname of Alex would be), I don't see why it should be included in the article name. – sgeureka tc 09:10, 9 June 2007 (PDT)

  • Here's my take on things: If we know for sure his name is Eko Tunde, then that's how the article should be named. Otherwise, we should just leave it Eko. We shouldn't rename to Mr. Eko. Not everyone on the show called him Mr. Eko when addressing him. We're not going to rename Jack Shepard's article to Dr. Jack just because he's been referred to like that.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 18:17, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
Well the majority has agreed that it should be changed, so can someone who knows how please do so? It bothers me that we have false information sitting in the title of an article about a major character. Jokesnsmokes 01:12, 3 July 2007 (PDT)
Before I go renaming or changing anything, what is the original source for the name Eko Tunde? Other than Yemi being named Yemi Tunde?  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  03:21, 3 July 2007 (PDT)
I believe it comes from two places: The Oceanic Flight 815 Passenger Manifest from Lost: The Untold (which has since proven to be inacurate), and from ? where he is reffered to as Father Tunde. The problem becomes whether or not he is using a fake name in Australia. Jimbo the tubby 11:11, 3 July 2007 (PDT)
  • Interesting. Maybe Jabr could drop Gregg Nations a post, and that would be a canonical opinion one way or another. I'm sure things are slow over there. Also, if we do rename, we should not follow "what other characters call him", which is not our precedent for names for character articles; it should follow the ABC press releases if a full name is not available. -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk  13:38, 3 July 2007 (PDT)
Change to Mr. Eko! Why on earth are all these badly named articles being left alone for months at a time? We don't need to wait for official confirmation to change a fan-speculation title like "Eko Tunde" or "Alexandra Linus" back to its official name; if anything, we only need official confirmation to do the reverse! Eko is also a valid alternative, but "Mr. Eko" seems to be his normally-used "full" name, and the one used in credits, on Wikipedia, on IMDB, etc. So if we're favoring correct "full" names over shortened versions, as we do with pages like Rose Nadler, but at the same time are maintaining our policy of no original research and neutrality, "Mr. Eko" seems to be the most coherent and consistent option. -Silence 01:35, 18 July 2007 (PDT)
I think the source for Tunde is from flashbacks when he investigates the Malkin case --Nickb123 (Talk) 04:24, 18 July 2007 (PDT)
Oh, I know the source for Tunde. There just isn't any official source for "Eko Tunde": officially, he's only ever been referred to as Eko, Mr. Eko, or Father Tunde. The idea that his last name might be Tunde is fan-speculation; we don't even knew whether Yemi's last name was Tunde, since it seems more likely that Eko created a brand-new alias rather than using either his own name or his brother's. After all, he was an infamous drug lord, and anyone who knew Yemi would be able to tell that Eko wasn't Yemi (which is why Eko pretended to be assigned by Yemi at his church; he didn't pretend to be him). All of this means that his last name is a matter of speculation and theory (even if it's well-justified theory or plausible speculation), not fact. It's similar to the case of Alex, who was recently moved as well: we do have an official source for "Linus", but none for "Alexandra Linus". Putting two official things together in a novel way makes them unofficial. -Silence 04:52, 18 July 2007 (PDT)

Eko or Mr. Eko

I think we should have a discussion and straw poll on whether to name the article Eko or Mr. Eko. The fact that he's called "Eko" slightly more often than "Mr. Eko" in the show is 100% irrelevant, under current naming policy; John Locke is called "Locke" more often than "John Locke" in the show, yet that doesn't mean that we're going to name his article Locke. What matters to me is that he always introduced himself as "Mr. Eko"; "Eko" was treated as a shortened version of his full name "Mr. Eko", in the exact same way as every other character's full name and shortened form were. Wikipedia and countless other websites list him as "Mr. Eko", and I believe he's also credited as such. Now, under the system I recently proposed on Lostpedia:Ideas, he'd certainly be properly named Eko, since my system recommended choosing shorter names over longer ones; but since we've rejected that, it seems arbitrarily inconsistent to rush to choose the shortened version of "Mr. Eko" solely in this case. It's not clear-cut enough; we should hear what everyone thinks on which name to pick, now that we've rejected "Eko Tunde" as unverified. -Silence 03:44, 19 July 2007 (PDT)

  • You don't get it do you? You've never done an edit to the content of this site, just the look, and your burrowing away and trying to force your opinion onto the site, when this site is, and has always been done via committee decision. You're just about starting to get on my nerves. Cut it out, and make some meaningful edits to the wiki instead of trying to simply drive policy, then someone might listen to you. Eko is his name. Mister is the title given to him because he has a penis. Until we get a confirmed surname, his name is Eko.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  04:42, 19 July 2007 (PDT)
  • Um, I think, no offense whatsoever intended, you ought to calm down and read what I said above again. What I said above was that since it isn't obvious or clear-cut whether Eko or Mr. Eko is the best title, we should submit this to the exact committee decision that you and I both know runs this site, and get a wider swathe of opinions on the matter. I said that while I personally would prefer the name Eko if I were calling all the shots, I'm obviously not, and Mr. Eko seems more consistent with the consensus-established style of titling other articles, so we should hear what others have to say on it before settling on one title or the other.
  • Nothing I have ever said since coming to this site has indicated that I want to "force my will" on anyone at all; I brought up this page move, and several other page moves, so that we could discuss them, not so that I could steamroll over everyone else and ignore all opinions but my own. That's hardly productive or fair; if I wanted to run a site purely by my own desires, I'd make a new website for that. I wouldn't join a wiki; I'm familiar enough with how wikis work, having belonged to a number of them since early 2004, to know that they are run by discussion. Although I apologize if I've seemed a bit too forceful in some of my comments, you're being a tad melodramatic in saying that I'm "burrowing away and trying to force [my] opinion onto the site" and that I've "never done an edit to the content of this site". And I think in this case, with all due respect, you're having somewhat of a kneejerk reaction to my bothering to voice my opinion at all, rather than looking at what I'm specifically saying here. We agree in essence; I just think this is a tricky enough decision that we need to hear more voices, rather than unilaterally deciding that it must be one way or the other.
  • For one thing, it's clear that "Mr." is more than just a standard honorific here, and implying otherwise is misleading: Eko introduces himself as "Mr. Eko", because it's not simply an honorific for others to apply to him, but rather is actually a nickname he's had since childhood (as established in his very first flashback), and the name by which he became infamous as a drug lord. If you've read or heard the interviews describing how the character was formed, you'll know that Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje suggested actually adding the "Mr." as a part of the character's name; he didn't say that people simply happen to use that honorific for him even though they don't do so for any of the other male characters. We should be honest and admit that we don't know exactly what the name's significance is or why it is used so much, but we do know that it's either his official name, or pretty damned close to being his official name; and consequently, deciding whether to choose it or just "Eko" is not an easy or obvious decision. So, I'm not saying that we need to move it to "Mr. Eko" immediately; all I'm saying is that we should take a little time to evalute the facts and have a discussion and straw poll, with wider community input, regarding which name to use for this article's title. Why is that so unreasonable..? -Silence 05:10, 19 July 2007 (PDT)
  • I'm sorry, but I'm not the only person who feels like you are being rather overbearing over things. Don't get me wrong, a lot of your work and suggestions have been fantastic, but you're coming at it like a bull in a china shop. Writing 4000 letter long responses to things, and stifling the discussion due to the density of your own point of view, and the attitude in your writing comes over as overbearing and forceful. Just chill out about things, discussions might take a week here, we can't get things done as fast as other wikis, as our audience vanishes between May and January essentially. I've renamed it Eko, you prefer it that way, and it fits in with where we are heading in the naming scheme (common forename and surname, except for those without surnames yet, Sawyer and Hurley). It seems you are trying to present more than one view point. You have absolutely no need to play Devil's Advocate and suggest something you don't want to see, thats not how it works here. We ask that you try and see both points of view on things, but not back both of them!  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  07:59, 19 July 2007 (PDT)
  • I'm perfectly fine with giving discussion weeks to unfold. I simply wanted to start that discussion off now so we can get as much time as possible to gather people's opinions. And my view on the name is a bit more nuanced than that: I said that I would prefer Eko if we were using my naming system, but that since we're not, I prefer Mr. Eko in accordance with current naming policy consensus. That consensus seems to be that we don't shorten the "official" versions of names, and that we leave names at their longest commonly used form rather than trimming off bits and pieces that we don't like or find extraneous, even if they're unusual bits and pieces like "Mr.". So, like Jimbo, I currently support a move to Mr. Eko, though, as I said, I made my comment above because I want to hear more views on this complex issue, not because I want to force my view down anyone's throat.
  • And I'm not playing "devil's advocate", I'm endorsing the page-name that makes the most sense in the context of other articles; the only reason we have a "forename-surname" tendency is because the common name of so many characters matches that description, and if we didn't commonly have that format, we'd use a different format based on whatever the common names were. For example, if Jack was regularly referred to as "Doubting Jack", to the point that he was credited as such, we'd be right to name his article Doubting Jack, especially if we lacked his last name. That, to me, is the case here: it's mistaking the cause for the effect to assume that all names must conform to "forename-surname" format, when in reality the only reason anything conforms to that is because of common usage and official usage, which are the real masters of our naming scheme. -Silence 14:59, 19 July 2007 (PDT)
  • But its really not a complex issue. His name is Eko, so his article is under Eko. Mr. Eko redirects there... as do numerous other variations on the spelling, including his presumed surname of Tunde.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  01:22, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • I'm in favour of "Mr. Eko", simply because it seems to be what the producers and actor call him. If we had a full name for him, I could see the argument of calling him something like "Eko 'Mr. Eko' Johnson" (or what have you) in the same style as Sawyer and Hurley, however since this is not the case, I believe we should use the name that the creators of the character refer to him by more often than not. As stated above, it does seem to be more of a nickname than an honorific. Furthermore, "Mr. Eko" just sounds plain badass. Jimbo the tubby 14:29, 19 July 2007 (PDT)
  • We do. Mr. Eko redirects to the Eko article! These arguments are just so contrary, because no matter what we put, someone is going to argue for something else. I'm getting sick of arguing about how we name character articles, so I'm gonna end the whole discussion by saying its staying as Eko until we get a surname confirmation (which I assume will be Tunde) when he'll move back to Eko (Surname, presumable Tunde)...  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  01:22, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • Um? Didn't you just chastise me for trying to force my opinion on others, saying "this site is, and has always been done via committee decision"? And now, as soon as anyone else disagrees with you on anything, that "committee decision" is abandoned and you close off all debate? Come on now. If you are feeling sick of character-name debates, then just take a break from them on work on other areas of the site, then come back when you feel better; I understand as well as anyone how nerve-wracking editing can get after a while, so no one will blame you. But don't forbid everyone else on the entire site from voicing their opinion on such an important, disputable issue! You know as well as we do that neither one of us is being contrarian here; this is simply an honest disagreement on a genuinely debatable article name. And the only way to work out what option to choose is through reasoned, measured discussion, not through hasty unilateral decisions.
  • And you're clearly missing the point if you say "Mr. Eko redirects to the Eko article!", as though that makes up for the fact that the article might be misnamed; when Alex redirected to the Alexandra Linus article, that didn't negate the importance of discussing whether to move the article to Alex, for the same reason that Mr. Eko redirecting here is a complete red herring in the context of discussing whether to move the article to Mr. Eko. Eko's official name is "Mr. Eko"; that's what he's listed as every single time the character is credited. It is not for we mere fans of Lost to overrule any character's official name, regardless of how silly or unorthodox we find it! The only neutral, non-POVed way to name characters is based not on the opinions of various fans (which will always be divergent), but on actual usage by the show's creators. -Silence 03:43, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • No I think you miss my point. Eko, Mr. Eko... We seem to have established the use of their common name, which in this case would be "Eko" as we are awaiting the characters surname still. We seem to have established that this is the path forward, yet we are now rediscussing the individual articles again. To be honest, its getting into anal, benal levels of detail now. Eko is his name. Every other possible connotation of the characters name is redirected, and if some aren't we'll put the redirects in. We don't need to heavily debate the individual, when we have the overaching decision that has pretty much been agreed on. Mr. Eko is a moniker. We know him as Eko. If we apply the "What the show call them" approach, then every character should have their name as it would appear in the show bible... ie "Johnathan Locke", "Elizabeth" for Libby. "Benjamin Linus" for Ben, "Katherine Austen" for Kate... the very thing you have already argued against! The title of the article should be as accurate as it can be, and INCLUDE their surname where possible. Eko might have called himself "Mr. Eko" occasionally, but his name is "Eko". I'm getting so tired of this debate because you are running it around in circles. As soon as you action something in order to appease you, you instantly want it the other way around!  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  06:29, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • We have not established a policy where we name articles after whatever a character is usually referred to conversationally. If we had such a policy, there would be little to no argument that Mr. Eko's article should be at Eko and likewise, that Jack's should be at Jack, Kate's at Kate, etc. But we have no such policy; nor do we have a policy that characters cannot be referred to by anything other than their first and/or last name, as shown by our Hurley and Sawyer articles; yes, those are special cases, but Mr. Eko is even more of a special case. Really, there is no bedrock precedent for us to appeal to here.
  • What our "common name" policy really involves is not naming character's based on what they're usually referred to in conversation; rather, what it involves is naming characters based on what they're commonly and officially referred to as their full name. "Mr. Eko", even if it's an alias or nickname, is what Eko is referred to as in credits, in official press releases, and when the character himself is first introducing himself to people. This indicates that, ignoring issues of the real-world legitimacy of the name (it's not for us fans to weigh in on whether Mr. Eko is a "real" name or not; that's not relevant or NPOV), "Mr. Eko" is treated by the show Lost and by its creators in largely the same way that names like John Locke are: Eko might be called "Eko" in casual contexts more often than he's called "Mr. Eko", but he's credited and introduced as "Mr. Eko", indicating that it's treated as his "full name" in lieu of a confirmed valid surname. Again, it doesn't matter whether we fans approve of this choice by the show creators or not; what matters are the facts.
  • Suppose, for example, that we had never learned that Ms. Klugh's first name was "Bea"; and suppose, further, that she was both credited as "Ms. Klugh" and regularly referred to by that in the show itself. In such a case, it would be entirely appropriate for us to name her article Ms. Klugh rather than just Klugh, in order to reflect common usage. In a similar way (although obviously this hypothetical case is not exactly like Eko's case), although "Mr. Eko" might not be his "real" name, it's treated as official, and that's all we need. You and I might not think it's the perfect situation, but it is the most consistent one when we consider how other articles are named here.
  • I'm not asking for a "heavy debate". I just think that some discussion is warranted, now that such an important character's article title is open to question again. I'm not "running around in circles", nor am I playing games here; I am merely trying to offer a nuanced view, and explain why I support the name Mr. Eko even though I wouldn't support it if we used a naming policy that leaned towards "shortened forms of names" rather than towards "common full names". -Silence 07:15, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • Change to Mr. Eko - I think the most encyclopedic thing to do is to make the article name match how the Lost creators refer to the character in credits, press releases, etc. The other stated variations of the character's name can be handled with redirects and with information in the article itself. -- Dagg talk contribs4 8 06:39, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • OK. So we'll do every character by individual vote, even though that completely goes against the idea of forming a standard across the site. I've had my full of this debate. Its closed for now. I will be presenting a series of resolutions to the sysops, who will then trim them down into a couple of resolutions, which will then be presented to the site as a whole. This non-issue has suddenly become an issue which affects the whole site, and as is always the case with these issues, we'll discuss them at SysOp level to define several possible site wide standards, then bring it to the other users.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  07:23, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • We obviously do not do "every character" this way, just the very small number of characters that people disagree on. This is one of them. This community has discussed many other characters' articles in order to form a consensus on them before taking action; why should this article be so very different? As User:Santa noted recently, articles should largely be named on a "case-by-case 'common sense' consensus basis", and consensus is a matter of community discussion, not unilateral decree from on high.
  • If you wish to close this debate, I'll respect that decision, but I don't see why you should forbid anyone from expressing views that disagree with your own just because you've "had [your] full of this debate"; you aren't forced to participate in every discussion, and I think it would be healthy and productive to hear more than just four people on this important matter. For all you know, you'd get other people who agree with you if we gave it a little more time, and the rest of us might even come around to your side if you present your case in a compelling enough fashion. There's no way for us to know how the discussion would turn out if you forbid people to discuss; and wikis, more than any other site, need an open exchange of ideas to survive and flourish. -Silence 07:34, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • Debate it all you want but the debate won't result in any action till the standards are presented to the users. The point being, myself and the other SysOps will now discuss a potential site policy on this, to enshrine a character naming convention. The potential conventions, if there is more than 1 agreed on by SysOps as a potential convention, will then be placed onto Lostpedia for people to then discuss and debate. I don't mind people debating things at all, but this debate is circular and fruitless, as the debate goes around in circles constantly, then I do like to see debates halted. People can have opinions, but in this case, some are having trouble deciding what their opinion should be! In the last 5 months, this article has been called "Eko", "Mr. Eko" and "Eko Tunde". Now with you seemingly wanting the article names to be as simplistic as possible (which people agreed with, and therefore it was changed to Eko) then deciding otherwise, it has to go to the SysOps to debate before bringing it back for the users of the site to decide.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  07:44, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • BTW, can someone point me where the referred discussion happened: "Now with you seemingly wanting the article names to be as simplistic as possible (which people agreed with, and therefore it was changed to Eko)" ? Did this happen on the forums or something? User:Silence has only been here for a week, so I'm not sure how consensus could have developed (i.e., "people agreed with"), unless this debate happened off-site and I missed it. Thanks for any info. -- Dagg talk contribs4 8 08:02, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • The discussion plkrtn is referring to is on Lostpedia talk:Ideas. I don't recall any significant agreement with me there, so it puzzles me that plkrtn would say that a consensus for shorter names emerged there. My suspicion is that the only real impact that discussion had on plkrtn's decision regarding Eko was that it predisposed him to disagreeing and being impatient with me; he probably named the article Eko because he has a strong aversion to any names deviating from the "standard" naming format (even when they similarly deviate in official Lost press releases and the like..), rather than because of any sort of established consensus on this particular matter. -Silence 08:22, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • Just to make it clear too. So far we've had this discussion about Eko, Nadia, Yemi, Locke, Hurley, Sawyer, Walt, Tom as individuals... as well as a discussion that each character should have their information on their single common name, which included EVERY character in the show... So, its best if we take this and now decide on a site wide policy, which we will be in due course.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  07:48, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • Fair enough. My only point was that I would think you'd want this discussion to continue to help inform that new policy and get a better idea of what more users think; but that's your discretion. I said that I wanted all articles to be as simplistic as possible, but when others disagreed with me, I promised to help enforce current standards consistently, which is why I prefer Mr. Eko; if we don't have articles like Sawyer, Locke, or Kate, it doesn't make much sense to have one called Eko. I'm not arguing here, just trying to clarify why I seemingly changed my mind. The fact is that this site doesn't use the simplest names possible, even if I'd like it too, so until it does there's no strong reason to favor "Eko" over "Mr. Eko". Also, no other users have expressed this nuanced view as I have, and the past article name changes have largely been due to error and inattention rather than a genuine tidal shift in opinions, so I don't think it's fair of you to discount the other 10 users who endorsed "Mr. Eko" on the grounds that "some are having trouble deciding what their opinion should be". Our users are not idiots.
  • In any case, good luck forming the new naming policy. I do advise you and the other sys-ops to keep one vital thing in mind while you're deliberating: just because most characters in the past have followed the "Forename-Surname" pattern, does not mean that all future characters will continue to do the same. We could very well have a future character who is referred to by the name "Sad Jackson" 100% of the name, and in such a case, renaming the character to just "Jackson" in order to try to make it conform to the Forename-Surname pattern would be inappropriate. Any good naming system for a show like this needs to be able to account both for "normal" names and for very abnormal ones. We should be consistent, yes, but "one-size-fits-all" is simply unworkable. I agree with Santa on this matter: a reasoned, case-by-case consensus-based approach will probably net us better results than trying to make every single article conform 100% and exactly to a very specific format. -Silence 07:57, 20 July 2007 (PDT)
  • Silence, I can't believe you are still pushing this. Naming conventions are not a key issue to us as far as our primary content. Because the scope of Lostpedia is specific to Lost, the main character article names here have no equivalent at wikipedia. The fact that fictional character articles exist at WP is only misleading. The community here functions very differently, and your response to disagreement appears to be huge amounts of text copy on talk pages that mirrors how the process at WP works, something that is 1) somewhat disrespectful of the community here, and 2) may not be relevant here even if your arguments would be relevant at WP. The fact that you've stormed in as a new user with such prolific arguments and such a stunningly wide variety of site talk pages tells me your current inner motivations for "contributing" to LP are skewed. You want to fix us. In that opinion I do agree with Plkrtn. You are in fact draining valuable resources, perhaps more than our typical vandals even, in comparison with the useful edits (e.g. copyediting poorly written articles) you have made, which are relatively very few in quantity and frequency compared to your talk page fix attempts. Another possibly helpful opinion: These talk page issues should not about winning or losing, it should be about you figuring out how the Lostpedia community works, and what Lostpedia is, and contributing little by little as you feel out our community. There are reasons why our community must be different, and must function differently, and I thought I had tried to explain these differences previously.-- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk  11:00, 22 July 2007 (PDT)
(unindent) "Still pushing this"? I don't understand. I dropped my naming policy suggestions, if that's what you're referring to, on July 18th, 5 days ago. The only name-related comments I've since made have been to bring specific articles in accordance with existing policy and consensus. And most of those suggestions have been uncontroversially accepted: that the article names Benjamin Linus, Yemi Tunde, Eko Tunde, Alexandra Linus, and Tom (Other) were unacceptable has been agreed upon remarkably quickly.
I don't know why you bring up Wikipedia. Where have I argued that these articles need to be just like Wikipedia's? If I wanted to work on Wikipedia-style Lost articles, I'd do it on Wikipedia, not here; I came here to escape Wikipedia's limitations, not propagate them. Just because I happen to be an experienced Wikipedia editor doesn't mean that I agree with every Wikipedia convention, nor that I came here under some nefarious scheme to turn this wonderful resource into just another mediocre Wikipedia clone.
If I didn't try to explain my reasoning on Talk pages, I'd be attacked for making unilateral changes; yet when I do try to explain it, I'm attacked for being too "prolixic". I do apologize for my verbosity (which has nothing to do with Wikipedia; it's just an unfortunate, long-standing flaw of mine), and will gladly summarize any overlong comments I make upon request. I also note that no one here is forced to read everything I write; they are free to pick and choose my suggestions to read and respond to at their leisure. My only desire is that they be fairly considered at some point in the future, and that my good ideas be implemented, my bad ones rejected.
I am not here to "fix" you. I'm here to help you. Like the "fixer" Jack, although I may be obsessive, I also mean well, and have useful skills to offer. :) But I won't try to "fix" something no one wants fixed; I only propose my suggestions, and discuss them, so that we can work together to decide on what needs improvement, and how best to improve it. Some 40% of my edits have not been to Talk pages, and most of my Talk edits could not be construed as "fixing" anything in the sense you mean; I do not see how you can simultaneously complain about how many changes I've made lately, while also criticizing me for not making enough changes quickly enough. (Some 40 article-space edits, and over 100 edits total, isn't enough for a new user's first week? 40 article edits is not "relatively very few in quantity and frequency" by any stretch of the imagination.)
I am perfectly aware that these talk pages are not about winning or losing. When have I ever made a comment on any page that implies otherwise? Point it out to me, please. I have consistently said here that my goal is to encourage an open discussion on the issue of this article's name so that we can come to an agreement, an understanding, a compromise regarding which name to ultimately use. I do not consider that unreasonable, in light of the nearly a dozen users who have advocated the title Mr. Eko in lieu of Eko. Choosing "Mr. Eko" is not what I would consider a "win"; rather, choosing either name through fact-based, reasoned consensus-building is what I'd consider a "win". I encourage you to review my comments on this Talk page, as I have been perfectly clear on my intentions, and have not made any inflammatory or antagonistic statements whatsoever, at the very least least on this page. I am trying, friend. -Silence 16:32, 23 July 2007 (PDT)
  • Just dropping by this LONG debate that I support Eko, not Mr. Eko --Blueeagleislander 01:43, 25 July 2007 (PDT)
Well I refuse to moderate this discussion and make a decision on the rename, I'm not reading through all this babble. I'll leave the decision up to another SysOp. --Nickb123 (Talk) 13:54, 1 August 2007 (PDT)
I refuse to continue juggling the character between Eko, Mr. Eko and Eko Tunde. It will stay as Eko, as this is his name, until further information is given on the character.  Plkrtn  talk  contribs  email  13:58, 20 August 2007 (PDT)

GGGRRR!

What's so brilliant about Eko? He waves a stick around and yells things!  Bringlibbyandcharlieback  Talk   Contribs 10:23, 23 July 2008 (PDT)

This comment bears no real relevance to the betterment of the article. It's a matter of opinion why Eko is great. He restored John's faith. His nigerian timbre causes all men to shudder in fear. ,etc. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  10:24, 23 July 2008 (PDT)
Not only that but Eko is the best character in all of Lost...simply put. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 10:41, 23 July 2008 (PDT)
I strongly disagree and can name about 40 characters better than him! -- Bringlibbyandcharlieback  Talk   Contribs 10:43, 23 July 2008 (PDT)
You can make fun of Eko just as much as I can make fun of Libby. I could name about 40 characters better than Libby too. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 10:44, 23 July 2008 (PDT)
It's a matter of opinion; an unwinnable debate when done like this. Perhaps there could be a sort of debate series comparing the main cast members, much like the bracket, except with more proof and reasoning why the said characters are supported. Like, Eko vs. Libby, Charlie vs. Charlotte, Daniel vs. Ana-Lucia, etc. That could be fun. I'll add that to LP ideas. Something good may come out of this discussion yet. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  11:11, 23 July 2008 (PDT)

Tunde all over the wiki ?

  • While going over some random articles to add Libby's newly discovered surname at the appropriate places, I've noticed some (ok, a lot) of them still list Eko as Eko Tunde ... I wasn't sure where to point that out, but I think something needs to be done about it. Either it's his name, or it's not ... as it stands now, it's just confusing. Some examples include this, this, this, this, this as well as this disambig page that should probably be transformed into a redirect. I didn't make the changes myself just in case I was misunderstanding this ... Is Eko's last name really Tunde ? Is there anyone who can confirm how he was listed in Comic-Con's memorial video ? --LeoChris 01:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

His wife

I removed it. There's one dialogue that can be interpreted as meaning he was married, but that's it. No other references to a wife, no clear reference and thus canonically he does not have a wife. --Golden Monkey 15:53, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Reason for travel to Los Angeles

Can someone explain exactly why Eko was traveling to Los Angeles on Oceanic 815? He got an illicit passport from another guy, but no specific reason was given for his travel. Investigating the apparent miracle of the revived drowned girl took place in Australia, so that's not related. Why was he traveling? Just planning to start a new life in the USA? The article does not make this clear, and other pages state that Libby is the only passenger whose travel reasons were unknown, so if there's some commonly accepted explanation it should be made explicit. If not, this should also be stated too. Ahkond 23:02, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

  • Good point. I think it is true that Libby was the only passenger whose reason for being in Australia is still unknown.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 17:12, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
  • True, we still don't know why Eko was going to L.A. Marc604 03:43, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed Error

I fixed the following error. If anyone disagrees, please bring it up here: "Eko is one of three characters who has yet to make an appearance following their death, the other two being Charlotte and Paulo." Obviously, Charlotte returned after her death as the young girl. Paulo still has yet to return. I have altered it as such. Marc604 03:43, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Eko Tunde/Father Tunde

In the first line of the page, it says: "Eko, also known as Mr. Eko (also referred to as Eko Tunde, although this may be an alias)", but he hasn't been referred to as "Eko Tunde", only "Father Tunde" without "Eko", so shouldn't it be saying "Father Tunde" and not "Eko Tunde"? In the infobox under "Also known as", it also says: "Eko Tunde". -  Rasmus Ni  Talk  Contributions  15:57, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

  • I agree. Our purpose is to document what was presented. Unless there is something said or written about "Eko Tunde," you should make the change.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 19:34, March 14, 2010 (UTC)


Eko's death

So is it safe now to assume that MIB/the Monster killed him because it was frustrated over not proving Eko's corruptibility? If so, maybe someone should input that on the page... --Auron85 13:09, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Was Eko in the flash sideways?

the two cities.

Sidney carton is wastral lawyer who decides to die in the place of the noble Charles Darnay as a way to make his life mean something in Dickens' A Tale of Two Cities. eko/yemi's death is smokey's first bit of indigestion. Not everybody that appears to the living is MiB. This discomforting theory becomes more and more apparent as Sonebody (Faraday, Hugo, Walt) start people dropping in at crucial moments. What eko says about the life he has been given may be taken to mean that at least he can redeem himself. He is copy of the holy man, willing to die once acain as that holy man.

Candidacy

  • Candidate #76 on the dial is listed as ``Eko``. I'm unsure as to what would be the best way to reflect this fact in the article, though, considering that A) Candidates are listed by last name B) We don't know Eko's full name, therefore cannot discard the possibility that Eko is in fact his last name and we simply don't know his first one... So what do we do? The article currently states that Eko probably wasn't a candidate... --LeoChris 23:55, December 31, 2010 (UTC)