Talk:Dreams and visions

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Contents 1 To merge or not to merge? 2 More than a vision? 3 Dreams and The Swan 4 Vincent and Christian Shephard

To merge or not to merge?

• Don't merge Dreams and hallucinations are different things, and they merit different articles. --Señor Eko 21:01, 22 August 2006 (PDT)

• Merge They are basically the same thing. Rename the new merged articles dreams and hallucinations. Who is to say that Claire's dream isn't a hallucination? Who is to say that Charlie's hallucination about Aaron wasn't a dream? They are too similar. --User: David 14:22, 04 October 2006 (PDT)

• Don't merge I do agree with David that for the purposes of Lost, they are both along the same vein/theme of paranormal visions. However, I don't think we should merge, for a different reason. This is a canon/informational page, it catalogs and redirects to specific dream pages. The other is a theory page (which is labeled as such). It goes off on supported speculation tangents which are not canon, and should be kept separate. --PandoraX 17:15, 3 November 2006 (PST)
  

Merge I've decided to change my vote, after reading the other article a little more carefully. Generally, we don't merge ordinary canon articles with theory articles, but this is what I think happened. The other page was made over a season ago, back when these hallucinations were not as confirmed... it was made as a regular article. That's why we have separate theory subsections, which a (theory) article is not supposed to be. Someone, rather than try and keep these segregated, decided it was better as a pure theory article. However, most of this info is now confirmed by the show since it was made, as being more accurate, and less speculative. Therefore, I think it should be merged back into the "mainstream". --PandoraX 20:55, 8 November 2006 (PST)

The desicion has to be made with respect to the nature of the dreams, hallucinations and visions in Lost. It seems the Island can somehow control peoples perception to the point of creating all three kinds of experiences (dreams, hallucinations, visions) - although this probably counts as a mere theory. This would be the case with, for example, Locke's vison quest, Eko's confrontations with Yemi, Kate's horse, Jack's father and so on. On the other hand, we have people like Hurley, who might actually have "real" hallucinations, due to what we know about his mental history. So if a merge is to take place, we would first need to separate these two kinds of "experiences". On the other hand, maybe it would benefit the overall structure of the site to merge the articles, so... --Noseman 2006 12:19, 4 November 2006

• Merge: Agree with the reasons Pandora presented above. -- Liz
• Merge. They ARE different but given the fact that we can't tell the difference I say merge. Technically a dream would be while sleeping and a hallucination awake (and there are also things such as lucid dreaming just to make matters more confusing). Visions is something else and could be mistaken for clairvoyance.--EvilSmoke 17:37, 20 November 2006 (PST)

• Merge into "Dreams and Visions"': Both pages definitely belong together on one single article, with the same label of this page: Dreams and Visions, given that none of the visions seen so far is confirmed to be a hallucination, except through speculations of some survivors. Even the earlier vision of Shannon that appeared to Boone, which we might call a hallucination, was apparently triggered by the same material that Locke later used in The Cost of Living, where he was visited by what we now have added to the Locke's Dream page (though creating a special page for Locke's dreams, and another for Claire or Charlie, while forgetting about others like Hurley's for example in Everyone Hates Hugo, is invalid in the first place) which makes it either a vision or a dream. I strongly vote against the hallucination label, unless confirmed by official sources, and vote for one unified page where all Dreams and Visions are kept together, specially that most of us know that more will come in the future. -- 09:41, 5 December 2006 (PST)

More than a vision?

• I just added Kate's horse to Season 2, but because she's able to touch it, this raises the question of whether these 'apparitions' are more than visions. The question doesn't seem as big until ("Flashes Before Your Eyes") as we don't know what the nature of Desmond's not-quite-a-vision flashback-that's-not-a-flashback experience is yet. I haven't added it just yet as it seems to be in its own category, but if someone else can think of a good reason to call it a vision, go for it... Hazel 20:01, 24 February 2007 (PST)
  • Speaking of Kate..... it says in the table there's been 2 dreams/visions for Kate, but in the article itself only one is mentioned. So which is it: one or two? --   Lost Soul   talk  contribs  09:42, 7 September 2007 (PDT)

Dreams and The Swan

--Drodjenkins 22:55, 8 January 2008 (PST) Has anyone else noticed that ever since the hatch blew up, nobody has had any strange dreams? I mean, Locke went on his spirit quest, but that was drug induced. And Desmond, who switched the failsafe, is all of a sudden having these precog flashes. I think the magnet in the swan was giving people strange, premonition-like dreams. Now that it's gone, they may not dream as such anymore and Desmond may continue to use all of the dream juice he absorbed in the implosion(?)

Vincent and Christian Shephard

• What about the encounter between Vincent and Mr Shephard in the last mobisode? Was that a vision or what???