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Off IslandEdit

Does the recent spoiler about the finale indicate he escapes the island? Seeing as he wasnt on the flight, he wouldnt be part of the Oceanic 6 would he?

Class? Edit

I'm wondering if "He was a lower class citizen who lived in London" should be changed "He was a working class ...." sounds better. --Philbert 07:30, 19 February 2007 (PST)

Headline text Edit

I moved

"* Is seen by Michael fleeing from The Swan to The Flame

  • Is returning in the Season Finale and there are promo pictures of him looking somewhat dirty and unshaven"

from 'On the Island', I'm quite sure that we haven't seen Michael and Desmond together on screen?

I may have been wrong in moving them though?

--Rayne 16:53, 5 May 2006 (PDT)

Calvin, the name of the original "manager" of the hatch is also the name of a famous 16th century theologian, John Calvin, who proposed theories of predestination. Calvin's doctrine, "Unconditional Election" states that some people are "elect" and are predestined for salvation. Everyone else is predestined to damnation/reprobation. The non-elect are defined as sinners with no conscience or remorse. Since it seems that all of the "14" have some kind of remorse, they are not reprobates and therefore are predestined for salvation, not hell. Does the name "Calvin" suggest that the hatch could be a vehicle for the salvation of the "14"?


With regards to the substance with which he inoculates himself, and how often he does the inoculation...We only see this action one time. I am thinking that he does this in response to the explosion breeching the "hermetically-sealed" environment of the Swan Station. He was probably told or conditioned to believe that the outside environment is full of toxins or infectious organisms...The inoculation would be an antidote or immunization to the dangers with which he will soon come into contact.

Your thinking is flawed. He injected himself just prior to the explosion. --Danny 05:26, 16 March 2006 (PST)

I wonder, where did he get the CR 4-81516-23 42 vials.. whatever they are. It seems to me that he was injecting himself on a routine basis (as with the exercise, shake, etc), so he must have use up a large amount, which makes me think he was getting regular supplies - the same with food, and so there must have been some in the supply drop?

--Rayne 08:15, 30 April 2006 (PDT)

Yeah, there must have been but why have the Lost peeps not questioned the vials? (Unless they did and I missed it! Like I missed Rousseau saying Alex was a girl in season One. Silly me!) --LostCat 11:16, 6 May 2006 (PDT)

"Are you him?" Edit

from the article... 

Desmond asked Jack, "Are you him?"

I thought that Desmond posed this question to Locke, before Jack had even arrived.--BrianSTL 14:52, 29 November 2005 (PST)

You are correct. This has since been corrected. --Danny 23:02, 15 March 2006 (PST)


Footnotes:

There's a mentioning on the article about Desmond waiting for someone male as he didn't ask Kate the question, but the question itself already tells us the sex of the person he's waiting for... so should the Kate-factor even be mentioned in the article as it's irrelevant? --skks 10:37, 21 April 2006 (PDT)

Agreed. kaini 10:42, 21 April 2006 (PDT)

Just because he thinks it a male, doesn't mean it is. For example in Alias, Irena Derevko, used the alias, "The Man". Since both are J.J. Abrams creations, it is possible. Not that I think the writers would do this twice, but it doesn't mean it's not a possibility. --Talsian 10:42, 5 May 2006 (PDT)

CR 4-81516-23 42 Edit

The search result for string «+"CR 4-81516-23 42" -Lost» @ google.com is: search result The last match is titled "Cr xr conversion", with a URL address cr-xr-conversion.fujisawa.us which lead to some kind of medical/pharmaceutical search engine (?).

But, when I pressed COPY, I got this result; which seems to be some sort of electronic garbage, but there's "CR 4-81516-23 42" string written on it. The mirror's (copy's) date is 21 Jan 2006 12:40:38 GMT. Update: The cache page is no longer existing. --Raven66 13:04, 10 February 2006 (PST)

The "Fujisawa Pharmaceutical Co." is actually real pharmacy company, but no longer existing. [1] They merged to a company called Astellas. --Raven66 06:55, 3 February 2006 (PST)

Snowmen Edit

220.239.125.218 added:

It may be possible that Desmond was expecting Hurley. The joke he asks to Locke "What did one snowman say to the other snowman?" Hurley has used the same joke to Walt, the answer being "Freeze!"

I thought that this was a joke Michael had written to Walt in a letter. In what episode can I find the Hurley reference? --Joseph 21:58, 20 February 2006 (PST)

>> Michael wrote Walt the joke the nurse told him in the hospital. Q: Whats black, white and red all over?—Michael sighs and says "yea yea, a newspaper"—A: No, A sunburned penguin! That was in "Adrift" I think. —lookup

Basing any assumptions on two people knowing the same joke doesn't exactly make things 'concrete'.--skks 13:29, 7 March 2006 (PST)

No.. thats why i think it was an example of a quick question about a shared joke between 2 people who have not physically met. If Desmond was expecting someone he had a computer conversation with it would have been a simple way to see if the person before you was the same one you shared that joke with. Not fool proof but in this case it worked and showed up Locke as not the person expected. --MRNasher

Did this really happen? I've seen people state that Hurley told it first season, or Michael or Walt did, but nobody can seem to point to an episode.

At the moment the Theories page says that the Joke is a code Desmond uses to find the future Daniel Faraday. Can that be deleted please on two points: 1) Kelvin is the first person to be heard asking the question in the chronology, 2) Desmond knows what Faraday looks like, and would only need reminding if his time travel creates the same memory problems Faraday has. --Andrew1990M 22:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The snowman joke never appeared prior to Season 2--MoJo 13:58, 15 March 2006 (PST)

Isn't the answer to the snowmen joke, "Do you smell carrots?" - Adam 06:50, 24 May 2006 (GMT)

I added the snowman joke to a page called persistent rumors --Uth 10:25, 4 May 2006 (PDT)

Sarah and Desmond Edit

Makes no sense that she was the woman with Desmond in the picture. Don't you think Jack would have noticed and commented on the fact that his ex-wife was cozy with Desmond?

Image comparisons seem to show its more likely to be the woman who failed to adopt Claire's baby in Austrailia.

The woman in the photo has the name of Penny. I don't know the importance of that yet. --Techiedavid 15:49, 8 May 2006 (PDT)

Cleaning up the article? Edit

Why were the headers removed from the Desmond Hume page? It made the article much more readable and "digestible." Now, if I want to find one simple fact about his life, it's going to take so much longer. Bad idea. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sockmonkey (talk • contribs) 2008-05-04T12:46:29.


The theories section could use some cleaning up, some of it (ie. arguing over theories) would fit here better than the actual article.--skks 13:36, 7 March 2006 (PST)

Agreed. I posted the part about Desmond being superhuman before I was a member. I'll clean it up. --Carl

Okay. Cleaned.  :) --Carl

Lifting Things Up Edit

Wakes to the beeping of the computer at his artificial sunlight bedroom and performs the numbers task. Injects himself, before the explosion, as part of what appears to be some sort of wake-up routine. We see him living the life he professes to the survivors before they made their way inside.


He seems to have been marking the days off on the wall just before the computer room with 4 stripes and a slash, much like prisoners do. Theres a lot of marks there, we can assume around 2 years worth as Desmond says he arrived 3 years ago and says he and 'Kelvin' saved the world "for a while".

When he asks Locke the riddle is it possible that he was expecting someone from a conversation he had with the computer terminal: someone he shared a joke with, someone who said he was coming for him. It would be a way to ID someone you never met in person. Hurley told the joke to Walt.

And it wouldn't be right for him to expect a replacement.. he'd be expecting 2 replacements or 1 new companion. When Locke and Kate shows up.. hes not expecting 2 people from his reaction and he is expecting a male too i'm guessing since he has discounted Kate.

Since we know Walt (or someone who knows of their relationship) communicates with his Dad via the terminal its possible 'Walt' did this with Desmond too. The only thing is i got the impression that Desmond had been expecting this person for some time because he says "I cant believe it, your finally here." and Walt was not captured till the following night.

Its also a pretty weak password, a commonly known joke, so i cant see it being that.

John asks him "are you in contact the people who made it, the film, are you in contact with anyone?" and Desmond says "Do you think i would be here if i was." and that "Kelvin died waiting for his replacements."


Desmond readily knows the wheel to the airlock door sticks, but has trouble remembering his name, which suggests he has used the door or remembers Kelvin using the door. He could just be a good actor.


Jack just lets him leave. Desmond had so much he could tell us about the anomalies of the terminal and possibly the project.

It seems very short sighted that only 2 members should be tasked to press the button. You would think that 3 or 4 would have been more failsafe, unless the button press was an exercise with a mock critical scenario. Maybe even the numbers are part of the experiment, to add some authenticity to the project.

I also wonder if Desmond forgot to press the button 40 odd days ago, when he talks to Locke he seems to be thinking and asks about the world still being out there. I wonder if the timer keeps the 'Monster' on a leash. If you don't keep it reigned in it can roam off the island and bring down planes :P

--MRNasher

2 button pushers does sound more like a test or an experiment, it creates stress as the button pushing is always yours or the other person's responsibility, with more failsafe-persons it would be more relaxed and could be considered as a medial task. --skks 01:52, 13 March 2006 (PST)

What to make of Desmond Edit

Desmond is one of the most mysterious characters that we met, that's for sure.

Some things I've been trying to make sense of:

  • Can you make it from the hatch to the beach and back in 108 minutes? We're lead to believe at some points that it's a rather long hike.
  • Was Desmond the catalyst that healed Sara, rather than Jack? Jack was convinced he failed, yet only after speaking with Desmond does she make a miraculous recovery.
  • If the ampule really is vaccine, then why do Desmond and Kelvin require so much of it? Most vaccines last for months/years after being administered once.

Yes, Desmond really is mysterious. However, I don't think he stayed in the Hatch all the time. He came to the island and went into the hatch, so why not go outside again? Also he left when his "replacements" arrived. Of course, he would have lived in the hatch most of the time - he had to be there every 108 minutes and why wander around in the jungle? Unless there is a nice lake with a waterfall nearby, there is no point in hiking the same part of the jungle again and again. The books in the hatch would most likely be more interesting. Especially with wild boars or weird security systems running loose outside.

Also, I think even if he has to get up every 108 minutes, he most likely still would stick to the notion of day and night. He could see outside through his Telescope system and see the days (not to mention if he went outside).

I think, he could have done all that - go outside, have a day/night rythm,... but at some time, there is no point in all this. I think he surely must have gone mad quite a bit.

--aurora glacialis 08:27, 14 March 2006 (PST)

In the episode, his eyes are bloodshot and very red and his voice is really raspy which leads me to believe he doesn't get much regular sleep and atleast he wasn't crazy enough to talk to himself constantly. Personally I don't think he ever left Swan, but ofcourse it's possible. --skks 17:08, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Should he be listed in the category Dharma Staff? As far as we know he's just a dupe, not an actual member of the Initiative.--Tricksterson 06:55, 29 March 2006 (PST)

I thought about this, but came to the conclusion that one can be staff without being a member. He was working as a part of the inner dealings of a Dharma Facility. --skks 11:13, 29 March 2006 (PST)

By this rationale the castaways should be listed as Dharma Staff because they're now working in the Swan and pushing the button.--Tricksterson 07:16, 30 March 2006 (PST)

Yes, yes they should if they had no other affiliation. Unfortunately they are the survivors, also they weren't recruited by a Dharma Member so I suppose they would be Dharma Sub-Staff. If you feel like adding the cats & modifying the articles to follow suit - please do. --skks 22:25, 30 March 2006 (PST)

We don't know that kelvin was a dharma member. The survivors are as "staff" as desmond is. --Ernest 11:56, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

Did he state he travelled by boat? Edit

Can anyone clear this up for me. One of the theories I see going around is that the balloon that they apparently find next week might actully have been Desmond's, that Desmond never said he travelled by boat.

Is this true? I seem to recall him saying something that indicated he travelled by boat, but I don't recall his exact words.


Jack says: "..yer gonna tell me how you got here." To which Desmond says: "It was 3 years ago... I was on a solo race around the world... an my.. my boat crashed on a reef."

It's a very brief mention about 12 minutes into Orientation. --MRNasher

Spoilers?!?!? Edit

Um, there is a *ton* of info in here that is, I can only imagine, spoilers for the finale.

Needs a spoiler warning, at the very least. -Piscez

Can we please leave out the Flame spoilers? Take them off until the episode?

First off, they are no spoilers on this page, only information gathered by watching the shows. Secondly, the spoiler warning is on the theory portion. By calling them theories, they are obviously not spoilers. I am taking off the warning.

Have I missed something? Edit

How do we know Desmond was going to The Flame? And how do we know his surname is Cook? Did I miss something? Because I don't remember watching that anywhere...


-- that was in a spoiler... --Cool Man 0912 10:55, 6 May 2006 (PDT)

Poem?Edit

Is this canon? Does it deserve it's own page? LOSTonthisdarnisland 19:17, 9 May 2006 (PDT)

I think not --kaini 20:04, 9 May 2006 (PDT)
I don't think lostdesmond.com or the poem are canon.--Ernest 11:53, 12 May 2006 (PDT)

invisotext Edit

ah! now THIS is an excellent idea. i already employ something similar on a forum to avoid spoilers. i think it would be nice if everyone adopted this, i'd even suggest placing something regarding it on the main page? --kaini 20:06, 9 May 2006 (PDT)

Desmond sighting? Edit

In the episode where Bernard tries to recruit fellow "lostaways" to help him build his distress sign, I am sure that I saw Desmond in the background, standing just behind Bernard, amongst the other "lostaways". I no longer have access to the episode, but think it's worth looking into. Desmond is there during a close-up of Bernard. (User:Jenny)

CONFIRMED: I have watched this scene several times and have not seen Desmond. There is one man who looks like him a little, but it is not him. He was in a blue shirt. This is probably the guy you were looking at. --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eridani (talk • contribs) .

Non-Canon Edit

Moved from main page

In Another Life Poem Edit

Time stands still
silent ticking
echo off concrete walls

I lie waiting
hushed by the earth above
cradled by the earth below

No mamas
No papas
me only
A child Alone

Once I was free
Sea Air on my face
Sunlight in my eyes
A woman's face by mine

Yesterday never was
And tomorrow too
Only an illusion
done with mirrors

Alone
and lonely
Brother ...
where are you?

~ Desmond (http://www.lostdesmond.com/)

[2] [3]

The first is the image of Demond and his girlfriend/wife from their photograph together. The second is an image of the woman on the Raft (when Walt was taken) who threw the bomb.

Look at the faces -- she COULD BE the woman on the RAFT with "the others" when Walt was taken (probably is). They look extremely similiar, from facial structure to eyebrow-shape. Look carefully, this is an important detail!

If that's her, it raises more questions.

-Does Desmond know she's an Other?

-Is HE in fact an "other" as well?

-What does that mean about his role in the Dharma Initiative?

At http://www.lostdesmond.com, there is a section called "Desmond Letters and Notes" which contains HIS (?) poems "LIFT IT UP!" and "In Another Life" which are coincidentally his enigmatic catchphrases.

(Note: It is unclear whether these poems are actually written by the character/how accurate the website is, but it's important to note that the site is said to be backed by the actor who portrays Desmond on Lost)

Promotional Picture of Desmond Edit

In the promotional picture of Desmond he certainly looks rough and unshaven, but his Dharma boiler suit looks like it's been carefully laundered and ironed! Ok, so the picture could have been taken before the wardrobe people dirtied it up a bit, but i still think it looks funny! --LostCat 06:49, 14 May 2006 (PDT)

If you click on the Desmond picture you can see not only that one but the one you are referring to. DeGroot

Desmond's Boat? Edit

From the article, "If Desmond felt this were a true cataclysm, where would he run to? How far could he get simply by running from the hatch? May point to his boat, and it's rediscovery in "Three Minutes".

Am I missing something here? I don't believe it was confirmed in "Three Minutes" that the boat on the horizon was Desmond's. Is this a spoiler or just conjecture? In either case, should it be in the article now?

Well, Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof in the Penultimate Season 2 Podcast said pretty bluntly that the bost was in fact Desmond's so I don't think there's anything theoretical about it if you can get it straight from the horse's mouth.

Crashing the Plane Edit

Wouldn't it be his own theory that he crashed the plane? I know I may be going out on a limb here but we are not sure what happened.

It's just a thought. You never can tell with this show.

--Kericanfly 20:25, 24 May 2006 (PDT)

In the podcast, we were told that we are supposed to find out what happened that cause the plane to crash. Both the system failure and the crash of Flight 815 happened on the same day. It cannot be just a mere coincidence. -- Chatake 08:34, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
I agree, the producers have said that the final episode will explain "why the plane crashed." *Why* the button pushing crashed the plane is still a mystery, but I think the fact that it was not pushed caused the crash can be accepted for canon. Absalom 08:36, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

If the crashing of the plane was an accident, that is, not pushing the button on Desmond's part, that means the Losties are completely random people. The flashbacks are supposed to be clues to explain that each character is on the Island for a reason. If they are on there randomly, then there is no point to the flashbacks... And Absolom, if the plane was crashed due to not pushing the button, then the reason for that is that it was somehow destroyed by the leak in the EM generator in the swan. --Eridani 0055, 27 May 2006 (EST)

This assumes that Desmond's failing to push the button was an accident. Aside from the overarching theme of fate versus free will, Desmond could unwittingly be playing the key role in a complex plan to bring the plane to the island. Ben has explicitly stated that his modus operandi is to getting people to do what he wants by making it seem like their idea (or in this case, their fault). --Rowsdower 08:53, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

It might be confirmed that it was Desmond who crashed the plane but it doesn't explain why the plane was flying for two hour in the wrong direction. --LostCat 04:58, 17 July 2006 (PDT)

Hasn't it been already said that the plane was trying to make it to Fiji but didn't? --Marik7772003 23:27, 6 August 2006 (PDT)

Yes, Marik. The pilot of Flight 815 said they lost radio contact 6 hours into the flight, turned around towards Fiji for an emergency landing and were more than 1000 miles off course when they hit turbulence and crashed. Oodles 02:00, 7 August 2006 (PDT)

In LOST THE ANSWERS, we are told definitively that Desmond failing to push the button caused the crash of Flight 815. AlasakDave 03:24, 23, October 2007 (AKST)

...Desmond Hume / Could Out-Consume / Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel... Edit

I moved everything in Desmond to Desmond Hume to reflect his full name, now disclosed. Sorry if I went about it in a backwards way... not sure of all the rules and tricks of the Wiki. :/

Dedicated to the Lie Edit

So.. it looks like Desmond is an innocent.. a victim of Widmore's cruel designs.

I think we are supposed to take from the Desmond episodes that Widmore have 'arranged' for Desmond to be lost on the island in revenge for his persistance with Penelope.

I am glad that he is being shown to be an innocent victim and, from the last few minutes of the show, possibly a key to their salvation.

Key -- no pun intended?  ;) --Amberjet11 13:15, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

I liked the Kelvin tie up too.. again nice to see it wasn't all made up by Desmond (even if he was hazy about how Kelvin died). Leaves you wondering how innocent was Kelvin.. if he was 'in on it' then he was dedicated to the lie.. to keep it up for over 2 years.

--MRNasher

He made a reference to his speed and direction and sailing time, that I think he said should have put him near Fiji when instead he ended up at the Island. Anyone know the exact figures, and where that would have put him? Maybe near Pala Island in Indonesia??

"sailing for 2 1/2 weeks, bearing due west, and making 9 knots":
  • 9 knots = 16.66800 km/hr; 2.5 weeks = 420 hours; 420 * 16.66800 = 7,000.56 km. -- LOSTonthisdarnisland 04:10, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

The Hostiles Edit

I've only seen the episode once, so I don't recally completely, but in Live Together, Die Alone, when Sayid asks for his boat he says "ahh, you're going to find the hostiles" or something. I assume he was referring to the Others. Does this mean he had some kind of contact with them? Bearing in mind the first time he went out was Sept 22 when the plane crashed, it seems unlikely that he'd have done much exploring if he only had 108 minutes. Did Kelvin say anything about the Others in that episode, or is it something we might find out next season? --Rayne 12:27, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

Kelvin referred to "Hostiles" at one point in the episode is such a way that it was inferred he and Desmond has discussed them before. To me it sounded like Kelvin was aware of the other people and called them Hostiles (perhaps he picked this term up from Radzinsky or actually had a run in with them) and Desmond picked the term up from him...--Isotope23 12:33, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

What about before? Edit

Why didn't Desmond use that key after he shot the computer at the beginning of the season? He just yelled "We're all gonna die", packed up, and ran away. He didn't even grab his novel.If he really thought that they were going to die anyway, why wouldn't he use that darn key?

'Cause if they did that they'd be skipping the whole season. Not to mention he's never used the key before and isn't feeling to brave; not knowing if he'll live or not. --Keyes 15:39, 26 May 2006 (PDT)

...and because the writers don't really have a master plan here. Likely the "key" didn't exist as a story element until well after those episodes where shot.--Isotope23 12:47, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

Desmond only decided to use the key after he found out that he crashed the plane. When Desmond left, he probably thought that "pushing the button" was just a hoax. --Messanger 17 July 2006

When Desmond says Locke saved his life, so he could save his. That tells me that he wasn't sure if the key would work, but given his new-found destiny I believe that gave him the faith to use the fail-safe. Or it could just in Live Together Die Alone he couldn't get away fast enough so he was probably like what the hell might as well try it.--CaptainInsano

Lie or Inconsistecy? Edit

In the episode 'Orientation' (I think) Desmond told Jack that when he washed up on the island Kevin came running out of the jungle yelling 'follow me' and pushed the button because it was beeping already, But in 'Live Together, Die Alone' we clearly see Kelvin, wearing a boiler suit, dragging a passed out Desmond back to the hatch who didn't have a clue what was going on. Is this a script writting inconsistency, do we think or was Des covering up the fact he was wearing a boiler suit? --LostCat 10:34, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

Sorry, I've just had it pointed out to me that a boiler suit is the beige suit with the Dharma logo on it and a hazard suit (which is what I meant) is the yellow suit that Kelvin was wearing. Oops! --LostCat 12:47, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

Likely, it is a simple continuity error... or when Lindelof et al went back to write/shoot the season finale, maybe they realized they needed to speed that scene up rather than have dialogue between Des and Kel (which they would have had to write in if Des was conscious). If that is too mundane for you, perhaps Desmond was partially conscious when he was dragged back to the hatch and is just mis-remembering the events from 3 years ago. Human memory is a very fallible construct.--Isotope23 12:53, 30 May 2006 (PDT)


That's good enough for me :-) --LostCat 04:44, 2 June 2006 (PDT)

JJ's confirmation (SPOILER ALERT) Edit

JJ said in TV Guide (for July 24) that Desmond is indeed alive. Got this from TheTailSection. --[[User:Aero Zeppelin|Aero*Zeppelin]] 22:45, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

Desmond - Regular Cast Member?Edit

I just read an ABC press release [4] and it stated that Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond) would be amongst the regular cast. Should we ad this as fact, on the relevant pages (whatever those are)??

--Lost Soul 12.36pm 28th July 2006 (GMT)

  • This article does not specifically state that these stars are necessarily going to star in season 3. it is pretty much the concensus that Desmond is still alive and will be back, however this article is not definitive.--Two Coyotes 05:03, 28 July 2006 (PDT)
  • what i was looking at was the cast list at the bottom. it is different to the one that is used for press releases during the second season, leading me to the conclusion that he will be a main cast member. Just my opinion.

--Lost Soul 13.34pm 28th July 2006 (GMT)

Desmond in the timeline Edit

No one checks the timeline discussion pages, I guess. Should Desmond lets the timer rundown and hits (Possibly kills) Kelvin be added to the timeline for Day 1 of the Timeline? --Myk 22:22, 18 October 2006 (PDT)


Unanswered Questions Edit

Should the "Did the fail-safe key work?" be removed? The fail-safe key did work and the hatch is imploded. -- Chatake 09:26, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Have we seen Our Mutual Friend in the third season, or is it assumed to be destroyed in the hatch? -- j52y 09:26, 12 November 2006

Why was the question on whether or not Charles Widmore's actions somehow led Desmond to wind up on the island taken off? I think it would border on absurd if we are expected to believe that desmond just randomely wound up on the island during a sailboat race and he just happened to be the almost son-in-law of one of the few men on the planet who know about the island. --Blackhellpig 13:43, 4 April 2008 (PDT)

Theories go on theory pages. Robert K S (talk) 20:10, 4 April 2008 (PDT)

Religious Symbology Edit

given Desmond's newfound propheteering abilites, can we open a section on the main article that lists the references between Desmond and Jesus because it seems like there are quite a few already. possibly enough to warrant a special section away from the general theories or trivia section. --Guitarzan8 2:39, 20 October 2006 (EST)

What similarities exist between Jesus and Desmond besides the beard and haircut? Are we certain that Desmond is a prophet? Maybe he's been time traveling? Maybe he's having a Groundhog's Day experience? I just think it's a little early to state definitely that he's a prophet.-Beardog4314 14:45, 20 October 2006 (PDT)
There are tons of other prophets out there, why automatically go for Jesus? Admittedly, I haven't read much of the Bible, but I don't recall Jesus having prophetic visions that tell what will happen at the end of the day, aside from the Last Supper (which still is controversial to this day). I also think that we are jumping the gun on this whole prophet idea. Why not say he just has come clairvoyant abilities? Why try to impose a sense of narrative? Heck, I could say that Desmond is like Gandalf because he came "died" and came back naked. It's a common theme of death and rebirth and coming back more than you were. Why not leave it at that? --Mr Vain 12:48, 1 November 2006 (PST)
It seems as though every time he says "See you in another life" he undergoes a huge change. One being stuck on the Island, the other having his ability to see the future. His appearance in season 3 also tends to match traditional Jesus Imagery. - Mooga 18:49, 14 February 2007 (PST)

Brain Tumor Edit

In my opinion, during the Swan implosion, happened something like in the movie "Penomenon" (1996, starring John Travolta), and now Desmond can watch something in the future, but he will die soon because of a brain tumor. --andreapasotti, 14 December 2006

Events from the distorted Deja Vu Edit

If we can trust Ms. Hawking and what she says about what Desmond did, Desmond DIDN'T buy the ring for Penny. He only bought the ring when re-experiencing his life -- the first time though, he chickens out and doesn't buy it, although presumably they still break up just after the picture is taken. How should we deal with this? Jeremiahsmith 07:57, 15 February 2007 (PST)

I think that we should seperate the events into two sections: The "original" timeline, where he didn't buy the ring, and the "Time-travelling" timeline, where he just didn't give the ring to Penelope. I think that the latter has displaced the former, but that's a theory; both have apparently happened, in some sense of Happening.--Ex-Pope Cardinal Richard Corey 12:31, 15 February 2007 (PST)
OK I tried to address the two different timelines. I think we can assume that Desmond has only repeated the timeline once, since Ms. Hawking calls him a 'first-timer'. I'm wondering if the football match is real and can be used to date the episode? --Jackdavinci
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Talk:Flashes_Before_Your_Eyes#Graybridge_game.3F It didn't exist. Nice work on the two timelines!--Ex-Pope Cardinal Richard Corey 20:28, 15 February 2007 (PST)

LOST has "Jumped the Shark" with Desmond's new PowerEdit

Sad to say it, but it's true. Making Des psychic is just...ridiculous. Now they're bringing MAGIC into the show. WTF? That episode was way to transparent, way too un-subtle and un-mysterious. It totally lacked the usual wierdness I associate with LOST. I hope I'm wrong in my belief that this episode signals a turning point for LOST--a turn for the worse. Time will tell.C.m. 14:11, 15 February 2007 (PST)

It doesn't have to be magic either. I saw it as more of a "Quantum Leap" kind of a thing. All we needed was for Al to walk out of a wall with his crazy little calculator. And I so can't agree with you on the Jump the Shark thing, my head nearly exploded when the Jewelry Store Lady started piping off! -BearDog 14:19, 15 February 2007 (PST)

Did you miss the parts where 70 people survived a plane crash, two people were miraculously healed upon arriving at the island, and several people had prophetic visions? And why is this relevant to the article? Jeremiahsmith 14:34, 15 February 2007 (PST)

Don't forget the Polar Bears. Seriously, the show jumped the shark when it premiered. They guaranteed that they could never jump the shark by flippantly hitting rock bottom in its first hour.--Ex-Pope Cardinal Richard Corey 14:57, 15 February 2007 (PST)
The phrase "Jumped the shark" jumped the shark about 20 years ago.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 14:39, 15 February 2007 (PST)
  • I think it's all from what perspective you take your sci fi in. To me, it hasn't really gone overboard yet for my tastes, because time warping is very much a part of theoretical physics (per A Brief History of Time), and not that "out there". The part with Ms. Hawking actually confronting him point blank was a bit over the top, I thought, but I still enjoyed the episode. BTW, whoever reordered the page for the fractured timeline continuity (subheadings), good job... that was difficult to reconcile, given all the issues associated with his Déjà vu, still not fully explained. --PandoraX 17:50, 15 February 2007 (PST)
    • However, Ms. Hawking isn't over the top or out of step with anything else we've seen in LOST if we redefine her as another vision, like Yemi or Boone. See below. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tuttlemsm (talk • contribs) .

Time Travel or Vision?Edit

It seems very premature for Desmond's official page to list the events of Flashes Before Your Eyes definitively as a "time travel event" and to separate out his life as an "original timeline" and an "altered timeline." There is a lot of evidence to suggest that what Desmond experienced was nothing more than a vision given to him by the island--- just like Eko was given a dream and a vision of Yemi; just like John was given a dream of the beechcraft; and any other myriad visions. Therefore, with this reading of it, there is no "altered timeline." His life is as it always has been. In his vision he experienced things differently, but that's all it was, a personal hallucinogenic experience, not an altering of history.

Desmond himself thinks of it as a vision. That's why he said, "it was like when your life flashes before your eyes." Hence the title.

Furthermore, Ms. Hawking speaks to Desmond in the same guiding, though condescending, tone as we have seen in recent weeks--- as with Vision!Yemi speaking to Eko telling him to confess while taunting him ("you speak to me as though I were your brother") and Vision!Boone speaking to Locke, rubbing Locke's nose in it and telling him to clean his mess up.

Otherwise, what LOST would be asking us to accept is that Ms. Hawking is a real person and is a timelord. And that's ridiculous, more ridiculous than anything else LOST has ever proposed. Light years beyond.

Desmond's visions of the future may also be visions given to him by the island. The island may have elements of a time warp, and can feed images from the near future, sure. But to ask us to believe Desmond himself went back in time and met an octogenarian fellow time traveler who knew everything about the island and his life? Also, notice how Desmond's visions of the future are a little selective? They involve saving other people (including Locke's speech)? If Desmond was experiencing a true time warp, then he'd be seeing random events in the near future, not thematically unified events in the near future. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tuttlemsm (talk • contribs) .

  • Tuttle, please sign your talk pages. Use the Button sig.png button. --PandoraX 07:02, 19 February 2007 (PST)
  • There's no reason to change the 'original timeline' section since whatever you classify Desmond's episode as, that's what he know to be his original memories. And the 'altered timeline' section has 'lucid flashback' attached to it and says "seems" to reenter his life in the past. The wording makes it clear what it appears he experienced without making any premature determinations about it's true nature. This page is fine. Your ideas might be something for the theories page though if properly worded. As far as Ms. Hawkingbeing ridiculous, the producers did say there would be an 'episode bomb' that some would consider a 'jump the shark moment' so it's not unreasonable to think that it's what they intended. And I don't buy the thematic nature of Desmond's flashes. We haven't seen any of his flashes so we don't have any idea what they are. We only know about the three flashes that he told other people about because they were relevant to those people. There could be many other flashes that we don't know about simply because there was no reason for them to come up in conversation.--Jackdavinci 06:58, 19 February 2007 (PST)
  • I think it's worded pretty well now... I made a few minor changes (such as just now adding the "lucid flashback", agreed on as terminology in talk page of "Flashes Before Your Eyes"). It IS a confusing episode with the fractured timeline, and no, we don't know anything for certain yet. But I think coupled with the writers' comments in recent weeks, we can know with certainty that there is something involving time, even if it isn't your classic time travel story. I think the writing on LP has been good so far and reflects this.... we always record what the protagonist's perception is from the FB POV, regardless of whether it is lucid or not. This is the fact of what they experienced, and we can change it later if there is a contradiction. The same for example holds true of Claire's flashbacks in "Maternity Leave"; how do we know how much of this is accurate, and how much of it was a drugged-out hallucination, a skewed memory? The truth is we don't, we just assume it is as close as we will get to "the truth" until we are told otherwise in future episodes--and that's why the wiki is always evolving. --PandoraX 07:07, 19 February 2007 (PST)
  • I think that is a bit unclear right now where the 'Alternate Timeline' ends and where the normal flashbacks continue unless you read the text carefully. Perhaps there should be another section titled 'Original Timeline (continued)' under where the lucid flashback ends. --husdoktorn 12:05, 1 May 2007 (PDT)

Soccer / football Edit

Wondering if we should address the soccer / football issue. I originally wrote it as 'football' since that is what Desmond and everyone else in the world except Americans would call it. Maybe refer to it as association football (soccer) or European football (soccer)? Which is fine the first time but wordy for the secondary mentions. Or else put football in brackets and link it to the Graybridge article. --Jackdavinci 07:17, 19 February 2007 (PST)

  • Sorry, but I was the one who changed it, and left this comment on the "Flashes Before Your Eyes" page. The reason is because it's an American show, and many Americans don't even know soccer is called football overseas, we associate that name with American football without the prefix. Do Brits and others not call it soccer? If there is confusion there, then we can always put "football (soccer)" (with soccer in parentheses). It's not to sound ethnocentric, we have a very international following now (like the show)... but it's the same for the British spelling (honoUr) that we 'correct'; it's only because Lost is produced in the US. --PandoraX 07:22, 19 February 2007 (PST)
  • I agree with "football (soccer)" being the best solution. -- Cheers 08:36, 19 February 2007 (PST)
  • I just put up a new section on this talk page that addresses the football team question based mostly on the information from the "Catch-22" episode combined with contributions from Scottish participants to the IMDB Lost forum. See the items about the Celtic FC here.--Victorcoutin 12:03, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

circa 1993 reference? Edit

  • The article says Des and Pen started dating circa 1993. Do we have some sort of reference for this? --Jackdavinci 15:26, 19 February 2007 (PST)

Catholicism/Football Team Affiliation/Location of Mount Moriah Monastery Edit

Hello: a thread on the IMBD forum covered some new points as yet untouched in Lostpedia, thanks to contributions from Scottish participation to the board on the IMDB forum:

Desmond's religion is almost certainly Catholic.
He supports Glasgow Celtic FC, of which the majority of supporters are Catholic. (wikipedia article on Celtics)
Statistical breakdown of Scottish religions:
In the 2001 census, which has been adjusted for 2006, there are:
Church of Scotland: 2,146,251, 42.4%
No Religion: 1,394,460, 27.5%
Roman Catholic: 803,732, 15.9%
Other Christian: 344,562, 6.8%
Eddington, Scotland is almost certainly a fictional town, probably in Western Scotland.
Most Scottish Catholics live in Western Scotland.
Google Maps can find no listing for Eddington in Scotland.
Carlisle, England is near the Scottish border of Western Scotland. The geographical location isn't much of a factor because most distances in Scotland are within a four hour drive, but it is necessary information here.
Mount Moriah is definitely a fictional monastery, and of course also Catholic. (need documentation for this)
Link #1 to IMBD Source Thread
Link #2 to IMBD Source Thread


There is lots of food here to start some more topics and fill in more info where it is lacking. --Victorcoutin 11:45, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

Move Altered Timeline?Edit

  • Tell me what you guys think, but I think the altered timeline should be moved from its current place to right after Season 2. Having little or no prior knowledge about Lost, having an event that happened to him after the Hatch blew up in the flashback section would be confusing. I may be wrong about this, but I think it should be moved between Seasons 2 and 3. What do you all think? --Mr. Crabby (Talk) 12:51, 2 May 2007 (PDT)
    • I couldn't agree more. Put it at the beginnong of Season Three (as he wakes up after the deja vu)

Possible Beatles Reference Edit

I am not sure if anyone else picked up on this or if it's just so far out there that no-one cared to make note of it, but Desmond could be a reference to The Beatles Song Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da. Also, his girlfriend Penelope, aka Penny. Penny Lane, another Beatles song.

“

Desmond takes a trolley to the jewelry stores Buys a twenty carat golden ring Takes it back to Molly waiting at the door And as he gives it to her she begins to sing.

”

Tpendergast 07:54, 29 January 2008 (PST)

Very astute! Not sure if it's true, but that's a nice catch indeed! -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  19:41, 26 February 2008 (PST)
actually, most likely the name penelope refers to homer´s odissey, since penelope was ulysses´ wife who waited for him to come back to her for many years.--maria madureira 20:12, 29 February 2008 (PST)

Memories of the Island Edit

At the conclusion of "The Constant," did Desmond regain his memories of the events on the island? What he said to Sayid sounded like he still didn't remember him. Bryce 09:56, 29 February 2008 (PST)

No one mentioned his name, nor did Sayid introduce himself... this brings up the conclusion that Desmond did regain his memories. --     Nusentinsaino     talk    contribs    email   10:03, 29 February 2008 (PST)

Prison / Offense Edit

Desmond was imprisoned for "failing to follow orders"...could this be in relation to him leaving his post to go visit Miles at Oxford? Thereby making some kind of weird loop in the history of the future and past Desmonds?

  • He visits Daniel Faraday at Oxford, not Miles. But I also think maybe this is why is gets kicked out. This and maybe other disobediences due to his "time-traveling". Maybe put this on the theories page if it's not there already? --Vaholdem33 10:03, 4 March 2008 (PST)

seeming error in chronology/dates Edit

According to the article:

  • "She [Ruth] says the closest thing he came to a religious experience in that time was when Celtic won the Scottish cup in 1995."
  • "Desmond dated Penelope Widmore for two years prior to meeting her father..."
  • "In 1996, an unemployed Desmond makes an appointment to speak with Charles Widmore..."
  • "Sometime around 1996, Desmond joined the Royal Scots..."

These dates just don't add up--are they definitely all correct? How could Desmond have been with Ruth in 1995, then gone to the monastery, dated Penny for two years, met Charles Widmore, and joined the army...and have it still be 1996? I realize that time doesn't pass for Desmond quite the way it does for others, but this just makes no sense. Thecommexokid 14:31, 29 February 2008 (PST)

"We dated for six years, and the closest you ever came to a religious experience was Celtic winning the cup." is the actual line from "Catch-22". Any reason it had to be 1995? What about 1990? Thecommexokid 15:04, 29 February 2008 (PST)

Alternate timelines Edit

It's hard to decide whether Desmond's page should include original timelines, or only the altered current version. The show references original timelines (such as Mrs. Hawking claiming Desmond doesn't buy the ring) but the show never actually shows us those timelines. Flashes Before Your Eyes and The Constant show us Desmond only in time travel mode, not what he would've been like otherwise. Seeing how we've never actually seen the supposed "original" timelines, I think his biography should be written with the new time travel experiences, as they are what ultimately his history becomes, and possibly a side section noting what the original timelines may have been. This makes for the most logical biography that isn't so filled with paradox. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jediblueman (talk • contribs) 2008-03-06T16:32:35.

DHARMAEdit

In the 'fact file' about Desmond, there is a bit about his proffesion. Shouldn't it state that he used to work for Dharma. Even though he didn't want to, he helped the Initiative. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BANBURY DHARMA (talk • contribs) 2008-03-08T15:45:26.

How can you help something that doesn't exist as an entity anymore? Robert K S (talk) 16:58, 8 March 2008 (PST)


Desmond's Use by Charles WidmoreEdit

When Charles Widmore tries to give Desmond a whole bunch of cash to stay away from Penelope, is it possible that he is not really trying to keep Desmond away from Penny, but trying to ascertain for himself whether Desmond CAN be bribed away from Penny? I.e., by anyone... like Ben? Desmond has been kept away from Ben (as has been noted), and has been kept away from Penny through Widmore's agency. Widmore appears to be setting Desmond up as an unbribable dark horse ace in the hole to protect Penny in some future. Ben doesn't have a dossier on Desmond, doesn't know that Widmore's daughter has an unshakable protector who is NOT affiliated in any way with Widmore Industries as an employee (hence the job application refusal), and is totally unbribable with respect to harming Penny. Widmore has also been psyching Desmond up to do something heroic by calling him a coward, and to prove his love for Penny. Desmond is a handmade secret ally. Was it a 'future Charles' who offered Des the cash? Diamondgirl 08:22, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

Very interesting theory. I certainly wouldn't rule it out! (Except for the bit about a future Charles. I'm not keen on that aspect.)


I like the theory too. Widmore out-cons both Ben and Sawyer with an even better "long con" whose chief characteristic is that the mark thinks it was his idea (to fight for Penny/to enter the around-the-world race/to push the button(?)) And Widmore turning out to be a good guy is a twist most won't see coming, because they'll be too preoccupied waiting for Ben to be revealed as a good guy in the end.
Ooh, nice. I didn't even think of the 'long con' aspect of it, but that is definitely a recurring theme on the show.

I took out one of the metaphors. "Dark horse" and "ace in the hole" is mixing metaphors. Is that OK? I'm still really not sure of the editing etiquette here--sockmonkey 09:20, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

It certainly was using too many metaphors, in any case.  :) I was trying to get the idea of 'a totally unexpected source that provides a game-changing advantage.'

Ah, in that case "dark horse" is probably better than "ace in the hole."--sockmonkey 10:16, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

I am not sure Widmore would count as a 'good guy,' for psychologically abusing a man to act as an insurance policy on his daughter's life, but I know for certain that neither Ben nor Widmore is exactly what we think... I'm sorry!  :( Should all this be in Theories? It's kind of involved. Diamondgirl 09:32, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

Yeah, Diamond. You might want to post a version of this in the theories section. I also don't think Widmore will turn out to be a "good" guy. I think both he and Ben are bad guys. They are both con artists. Jacob's Lather 09:36, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

Season 5Edit

Will Desmond be returning in the next season?? Looks like his character has left for good from what Jack said... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 01lander (talk • contribs) .

  • I doubt it. With the Penny is hidden storyline, and the entire thing with Widmore, chances are Des is a regular in season five. -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  11:25, 14 June 2008 (PDT)

Desmond the reason the plane crashed but also the reason the 6 were savedEdit

Does anyone else think its intersting that Desmond cause the plane crash by not pushing the button and that his phone call to penny was the reason they got rescued? Maybe that should be included in the trivia section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thay02 (talk • contribs) 2008-06-09T00:20:50.

I added it to trivia. --CTS 13:57, 9 June 2008 (PDT)
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