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Does not despise Desmond

  • In "the Variable" we see that Widmore is visibly relieved to learn Desmond is alright. Like Hawking guiding Daniel and Desmond he is also guiding Desmond to the island in order to preserve the loop caused by the Incident.Asymetric 10:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Also he doesn't seem happy about having to be a jerk to Desmond..."my relationship with Penny was one of the things I HAD TO SACRIFICE."

DHARMA brand food

How do we know that Widmore labs make the DHARMA branded food ? Joesoap 14:13, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

It;s just posted in the theories section for now. I don't think we know that yet. --Admin 14:30, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
shouldn't theories have some basis in fact? these are just random made up guesses? where is there any evidence? Thunderous503

Name etymology

"Charles is of Old German origin, and its meaning is "free man". From "karl", similar to Old English "churl", meaning "man, serf"." And I always thought that "Frank" means "free man"... well, you learn everyday something new. - muellcraft 12:45 MEZ

Unanswered questions

I've cleaned them up a bit. There are many questions that have been condensed into the simple "What is his connection to the Island and how much does he know about it?". I also removed some questions that were theories. With regards to questions over why he faked the crash and wanted the survivors killed, I believe that it can be safely assumed that it's because he wants control of the Island and wants to kept it secret.--TechNic|talk|conts 03:02, 26 April 2008 (PDT)

  • But how could he have known where 815 crashed? The only people who knew where it crashed were survivors of the crash and those on the island. It's unreasonable to think he faked every plane crash site. He had to have known that search teams were not going to find this one. --Moo 16:14, 27 April 2008 (PDT)
    • Also, there is an unanswered question in the article "why does his uniform say 'Jones?' " I thought that was answered in-show --the Others stole the uniforms from the Army soldiers they killed? --Jeff 01:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Australian accent

What was up with his Australian accent in The Shape of Things to Come? Scarecrow 09:25, 27 April 2008 (PDT)

Yes it is. Or close enough. Or, at the very least, not British. It's either a clue, or the actor (who is a Kiwi) slipping up. For the record, I'm an Australian myself, and Widmore's voice int hat episode sounded more Australian than Claire's. Scarecrow 05:50, 28 April 2008 (PDT)
He's right; it's not Australian, but he's also being obtuse. The actor is slipping into his native accent and he's a New Zealander. Bagpuss 07:38, 27 May 2008 (PDT)
Don't think you need to make a big deal about his accent. Yes, he may be originally from NZ but was a main character on Australian show "Neighbours" for more than 10 years. So he has slips into Aussie. I thought his UK accent was pretty good, but im not British. Kiwisteve. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kiwisteve (talkcontribs) 2008-08-31T07:37:00.

Time on the Island

The whole paragraph under "Time on the Island" should be removed - Due to his relationship with Ben and the fact that Sun tells him that he isn't the only person to have left the Island, it is apparent that he at one time lived on the Island, but left it under unknown circumstances. ("There's No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3"). This is more a theory than any kind of fact and belongs on the Theories page. There is no fact of any kind that Widmore lived on the island, and his relationship to Ben and his discussion with Sun (she in facts says "we are not the only ones..." could mean any number of things, this making this part of the entry entirely speculative. MatthewH

No this isn't a theory. Sun told Widmore that she knew he lived on the Island at one point. This is not up for debate, it is a fact, although we do not know what he did there. Glen_Quagmire
Yes it is. All that Sun said to Widmore is that "As you know, we're not the only one's who left the Island" and that is completely ambiguous. Anyone ever consider that she was referring to Ben leaving the Island, or Desmond? There is absolutely no way you can call that fact. Deyve
It is heavily implied. Its like us saying we don't know where the polar bears came from since the haven't gone into details on the situation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Glen Quagmire (talkcontribs) 2008-06-23T15:58:00.
Yes. This is correct. But again I can't stress enough that theories can be based in mathematics and logic. DanielFaraday 03:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

From the wiki entry of Widmore: "Because they were both once part of the same group, Ben cannot kill Widmore even given the opportunity." The first portion is speculation and belongs in Theories. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dcmoey (talkcontribs) 2009-01-31T13:44:30.

The sink

This is an interesting thought I just had. Was Widmore's leaving the sink on more than just a careless accident? I'm not implying it had any great relevance to the story, but is it possible that leaving the sink for Desmond to turn off was asserting his dominance over Desmond? -- Sam McPherson  T  C  E  19:22, 20 July 2008 (PDT)

Tom Connolly

Add that Tom Connolly portrayed a younger Widmore in the infobox?--Mistertrouble189 03:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Just a thought - if young Widmore is around 20, that means in present day Widmore is over 70, so that's ten years older than Alan Dale (the actor) is. Integrated (User / Talk) 12:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Unless he also traveled through time at some point of sourse. Mauser 12:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
  • We know that Robert is the father of Alex. Robert Jones (wikipedia) was in the army. I mean that charles widmore alias robert jones the father is of alex. Maybe ellie is danielle rousseau and later if ben reunite the oceanic six and they going back to the island, he will cidnapping alex from charles widmore that's why he can't kill charles widmore. Ben's adopter daughter is killed by keamy who works for charles widmore. --robert h —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robert h (talkcontribs) .
  • Don't be an idiot Integrated (User / Talk) 06:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean that I have to go of the site? I don't understand1 --robert h. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robert h (talkcontribs) .

Oh you have it not to me! --robert h —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robert h (talkcontribs) .

Sign your comments with ~~~~.--TheHunger talk My contributions 21:11, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Surprisingly Ignorant?

Does Widmore have no idea Desmond was on the island for all those years? Surely someone as ruthless and cunning as Widmore would know this and want to know everything that Desmond does about the island. Also, does he not realize Ms. Hawking is working for Ben? Surely he wouldn't give Des her contact info if he did. LOST-Merick 21:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

No he knew... He started the race around the world in hopes of having someone accedently find the island. when des dissapered he found the genral area were to look. thats the reason why the people on the boat had a picture of desmond. If you find him here your on the right island. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Revangrishnakh (talkcontribs) .
Right. Naomi had a picture of Desmond when she parachuted onto the island. -- Hamdo    [Talk] 12:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Why can't one kill the other?

From the lead: "Because they were both once part of the same group, Ben cannot kill Widmore even when given the opportunity." What does their both having been part of the same group have to do with it? Source for this information? Or is it speculation? Robert K S (talk) 06:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Seems like speculation, Widmore had no problem killing one of "his own" when he was young and the other guy was threatening to reveal the location of their camp. --LOSTinDC 13:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

They cannot kill one another because they both needed to be alive in 2007 when the losties were sent back to cause the Incident and set all events into motion. Killing either one would produce a paradox. Asymetric 10:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Everything we know about time-travel on Lost says that paradoxes simply cannot happen no matter what... this is the essence of "whatever happened happened". It's why Hurley's musings over disappearing like the characters in Back to the Future was wrong, why Desmond would never answer the hatch door for Sawyer, why Daniel didn't care if Sawyer and Juliet rescued Amy, etc. Therefore, it's highly unlikely that the reason Ben and Widmore can't kill each other has anything to with the creation of (or fear of the creation of) a paradox. My guess is that they can't kill each other for the same reason Jacob's Nemesis can't kill Jacob without finding a loophole (whatever that may be).--Faraday100 23:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


This rule was another of Ben's little games. He may the rule so he could break it at the right moment. The right moment was when MiB was there. This was a signal that Ben could block MiB. MiB's time had come to face the showdown. Two sides and only one weapon Desmond. (The pistol does not come into play until Desmond makes his move.) Widmore was an idiot to bring Desmond back --Past recaptured 19:53, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Origin

His origin (in the infobox) shouldn't be "Island"? I know he has an UK accent or whatever (see the "Australian accent" above) but everyone in the Others of '54 seemed to have that accent (except for Richard). So what do you think? --The mE 02:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Economist?

I think it's fairly certain after "He's Our You" that Widmore is in fact the Economist. Ben tells Sayid that Sayid killed the last of the people in Widmore's corporation -- the last of the people who wanted to cause harm to Sayid's friends. Shouldn't the Widmore page make a note of this? Marc604 05:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

  • The eponymous economist wasn't easy to find. Charles Widmore is easy to find. Therefore, Charles Widmore was not the economist. Namastizzay 23:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Charles's Status

Shouldn't Charles's status right now be labled as "unknown"? I mean, he was on the island when the Jughead went off.--The H-Bomb 22:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I've always taken the "status" to mean in present-day. He was alive when Sun was off the island, so he's alive "presently". StrudelNinja 05:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Interesting similarity to Atlantis: The Lost Empire

In the Disney film Atlantis: The Lost Empire, a man named "Whidmore" assembles a science team to find Atlantis, but sends a mercenary team with them. When they reach Atlantis, the mercenary team reveals that they are there to steal the power of Atlantis for financial gain, and do not care if it will destroy the city. I know it's a long shot, but I did find the similarity interesting. StrudelNinja 05:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

A thought

Might it be added to the character's trivia that he has been played by 3 different actors all within the 'present' timeline (IE not flashbacks or flashforwards), which I believe is something unique to him and Eloise. I don't know if you guys think this is a pointless fact or what..--Integrated (User / Talk) 04:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

He is the father of a supporting character and a main character: Penelope (Widmore) Hume and Daniel Faraday. Has this to be by trivia?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Station7 (talkcontribs) .

Finding the Island

I removed: - possibly because John Locke was on the flight manifest, since Widmore already knew Locke would survive, having met him on the Island in the past. ("Meet Kevin Johnson") ("Jughead")

Although this tells him that Locke did in fact survive the crash, it in no way assists him in finding the actual location of the island itself. LEHLegacy 16:00, December 31, 2009 (UTC)LEHLegacy

Unknown Circumstances?

The intro text says that he brought Desmond under unknown circumstances back to the Island. Maybe this was from the last episode, but I feel like the circumstances are pretty known. "For unknown reasons" might make more sense. The circumstances were that Desmond was shot, probably drugged out at the hospital, loaded into Widmore's sub and brought to the Island. Granted, we don't know if he changed his colostomy bag during the voyage or not, but I think the important stuff is accounted for. -- Clayburn 02:44, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

"Kill every other living person on the Island"?

Regarding the third paragraph, under Widmore's "Search for the Island" heading-- the articles states, in definitive terms, that Widmore ordered Keamy to "kill every other living person on the Island, including the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." I've prefaced the sentence with "allegedly." Otherwise, what legitimate reasons do we have to believe this? All we know is that Widmore hired Keamy to apprehend Ben Linus. I mean, I'm sure that Widmore told Keamy to "do what it takes," in the event that Ben's people get in the way, but as far as killing everyone (including innocents like Alex and 815)-- are we going to trust information shared by likes of Ben and Tom, aka Widmore's foes? I think Keamy just got carried way. You know, being kind of homicidal and all. --Jacknicholson 19:35, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sound Clip

I was thinking that the sound clip representing Widmore's theme should be changed from "Team Widmore's Motif" to "Tesla Tester". The reason being that, back when "Team Widmore's Motif" was named, there were only a few examples and most were related in some way to Widmore. But now that more examples have been added, there doesn't seem to be as much of a connection to Widmore as we thought. I mean, out of the 11 examples on that page right now, only 4 have any connection to Widmore, and he's only physically present for one of the scenes. Whereas "Tesla Tester" clearly represents him or his team, and shows up in many of his scenes in the second half of Season 6. I would do it myself, but I thought I'd put it up for debate first. --Sylux96 21:49, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram voting support --- Balk Of Fametalk 21:51, March 20, 2011 (UTC)