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Still in a Coma? Doppelganger?

  • How do we know the woman who met Jack at Christian's funeral was the genuine Carole Littleton?
    • And in support of the imposter idea:
      • How did she regain muscle control after being in a coma for, say, two years or more? I’d think it’d take at least 6 months to walk again (any doctors out there care to comment?).
      • Flights to LA from Australia don’t come cheap: How’d she have the money for the flight when money man Christian’s dead?
      • The whole “What a beautiful baby” is too ironic--the writers do better then just on-the-surface character dialogue/comments--they surely mean more then just her line.
      • With walking dead Christian and loopy Claire still on the island, Jack’s relationship here-in and Kate’s dream visit from Claire warning not to bring Aaron back, plus Aaron’s pre-natal goings on--with all this Lost back story, it isn’t a stretch to see Carole as something more then just a grieving mom. --Talkster 08:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


The Rename: Carol Littleton

  • Do not rename - Where has the name Carol Littleton been confirmed?--KeriCanFly 21:13, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

In the show, Lindsey addressed Claire's mother as Carol (or Carole). One could easily assume that Carol's last name would be littleton, so it only makes sense. Check the CC, because I sure will. --Aero*Zeppelin 21:21, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

I don't mean to be dumb but what is the CC?--KeriCanFly 21:31, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Closed Captioning. --Aero*Zeppelin 22:22, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Confirm the spelling first. --Puppyfury 00:55, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

  • Rename Lindsey definitely called her Carol, Christian might have too.--Tricksterson 07:50, 15 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename - It is confirmed, and much more proper than just "Claire's mother".—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flippy (talk • contribs) .
  • Rename- If Carol is her name, the article should say Carol Littleton--Phil 10:03, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

If someone can confirm whether the name is Carol or Carole, using the Closed Captioning, we will rename this article. -Mr.Leaf 10:06, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

  • Rename - I'm a broken record, when someone finds the spelling rename! - Comedy240 10:48, 15 March 2007 (PST)
  • Rename --   Dee4leeds  talk  contribs  all  13:09, 15 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename: I saw it just as "Carole" under the CC. --Marik7772003 14:23, 15 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename--Gonzalo84 18:12, 15 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename, I also see it as "Carole" in CC. Fishbiscuits 08:36, 16 March 2007 (PDT)
  • Rename, User:Jakovexc0
  • Rename - I confirmed the CC shows "Carole" - page has been moved.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 11:01, 16 March 2007 (PDT)
    • Now we have credits from "There's No Place Like Home, Part 1" that use spelling "Carol". No mention of her name in CC, so no CC spelling. Gah. Robert K S (talk) 14:29, 16 May 2008 (PDT)
      • I'm also pretty sure the re-airing of the episode used "Carole" in the enhanced episode feature, but "Carol" in the credits. And I thought the enhanced stuff was really reliable. :( Alexisfan07
        • It may indeed be that the Enhanced captions are more reliable than the credits. Credits have been wrong before (Erika Stevenson). Robert K S (talk) 23:28, 29 May 2008 (PDT)
          • Well, they changed her last name, so they may have decided to change the spelling of her first name, too. Alexisfan07
            • I just saw that they stated Libby died in episode 2x22, more than once, proving the enhanced feature is not accurate and is probably not overseen by anyone official with the show. Alexisfan07

What exactly is the rationale for taking the spelling from the closed-captions and the enhancements as more canonical than the credits of the episode? The closed-captions obviously are not done by staff of the show itself, and I have never heard of the producers of any television series reviewing the closed captions before airdate. Similarly, the “enhanced episodes” were contracted out by ABC to an entirely independent company. The credits, on the other hand, are within the auspices of the show’s own producers. Regardless of whether the article name remains “Carole Littleton” or is changed to “Carol Littleton”, there should be a note at the top of the article that we are uncertain of the spelling of her name. --LOST-Kuzak 21:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

It's typical for closed captioners of narrative content to have scripts before them as they work. It is absolutely clear that such is the case for Lost, as there are certain spellings that a captioner would never be able to get correct (or consistent) without reference material, and there are certain instances of inaudible or barely-audible or indiscernable dialogue which appear clearly in the CC transcript. As far as reliability of printed sources go, I'd rank it CC stream > Enhanced captions > end credits. Robert K S (talk) 21:22, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
You’re probably right that the captioners of Lost are working from scripts, but nevertheless they can make errors. There seems to be consensus here that the captions are more likely to be correct than the credits where they disagree; my point is that whichever spelling we use in Lostpedia, we should acknowledge (in a note at the top of the article) that the spelling is uncertain. --LOST-Kuzak 22:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Maybe there is something to the name spelling: Regarding the "Still in a Coma? Doppelganger?" above, Claire's mother is Carol, and for the writer's differentiation, the doppelganger is Carole, or vise-versa... --Talkster 08:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
  • The spelling Carol has now been used on multiple press releases (with Whatever happened, happened's) ... does this warrant a rename ? --LeoChris 02:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Any comment on the possibility Carole and Carol are two separate characters? If so, we'd need to ID both. --Talkster 22:53, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Where did Carole and Christian meet?

  • How do we know she met Christian in LA and not in Australia??? (abcortesi September 6, 2007)
    • I was wondering the same thing. Since this question has been here since September of last year, I'm making the change. --Lurgis 15:34, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

UA again

I want to wipe clean yet another UA section, but I guess it's quite big, so I'll wait for input. My thoughts:

  • Why did Carole decide to cut off contact with Christian after Claire was a young child?
Answered. Christian said that she wasn't happy with him having another family. I think it's understandable; we don't need to keep looking for another reason.
  • Is there a reason besides resentment that Carole kept Claire from knowing her father was alive?
Leading. Whether there is or not is a theory. For all we know she was just not happy with him being a drunk.
  • Did Christian have an ulterior motive for suggesting to Claire that he could help legally take Carole off life support?
Leading. Whether he did or not is another theory. For all we know he just wanted to help "let go".
  • Is Carole still alive and on life support?
Irrelevant. Yes, so this is unanswered, but is it relevant?
  • Was there some unfinished business with Carole/Claire that led Christian to Australia before his death?
Leading. Whether there was or not is, again, a theory. For all we know he just wanted to see his daughter.

Input please: Defend these questions or remove them. Thanks. --     c      blacxthornE      t     13:55, 7 April 2008 (PDT)

I'm a little late in getting to this, but I agree that they should be removed, except for the one about Carole keeping Claire from knowing that her father was alive, which I would suggest rewording to remove the part about resentment, since it suggests that resentment would be the reason, which is somewhat leading in and of itself. Since nobody else seems to have any input on these questions, I'm going to remove the other 4.  Jimbo the Tubby  talk  contributions  17:36, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

I think that now, after the finale, it's clear that the most important question is how did she recover from her coma? The doctors said it was irreversible. There could be some sort of island connection here. I'm not going to put it up though unless it is approved as a valid question. And I think that the "unfinished business" question is very valid because there should be more than just wanting to see his daughter. And aren't the unanswered questions supposed to generate theories? Isn't that why they're associated with the theories page??? --OrangeXenon54 02:10, 5 June 2008 (PDT)

The unanswered questions are supposed to note the mysteries introduced by the show, and nothing more, really. They're not supposed to generate theories per se; theories are attempts to answer them however. "How did she recover?" is technically a valid UQ, however I don't see how it could be answered; for all we know it's another miracle just like Sarah's recovery. Anyway the difference between a question generating a theory and one that is not is "How did she recover?" vs. "Did the Island cause her recovery?", the latter being a leading question.--     c      blacxthornE      t     07:48, 5 June 2008 (PDT)

Time frame of affair with Christian Shephard

If Claire was born Oct. 1982, and turned 22 in 2004, Carole would have become pregnant approximately 22 years and 9 months before the events of the Sept. through Dec. 2004. Namastizzay 22:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Rename ?

  • The spelling Carol has been used on multiple press releases, and while it has been stated in the first rename discussion that press releases sometimes include errors, would that error be made multiple times, in different seasons ? --LeoChris 23:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Well, it's not like the press release people will have gotten more careful/accurate over the years... but probably this is an issue which has no one on the TPTB end caring particularly about it. It's a minor spelling question on the name of a minor character. Meaning, we're not likely to see an ID document on-camera or anything that would clarify the issue in a canon way.  Robert K S   tell me  00:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I hate to ask, but do any of those "other sites" have copies of scripts?--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Then Carole Littleton should be kept the way it is? I'm good for that.--Mistertrouble189 19:25, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I think this should be closed and am preparing to remove the rename flag. Someone has wisely dealt with the name variance in the introductory paragraph.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 17:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
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