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spoiler

  • I added the spoiler tag, because even though the images are taken from the public s3 preview, the close analysis of the photos may be considered a spoiler. Also many fans avoid previews entirely to prevent being spoiled. Also note that the UK's television preview promos included major spoilers, so being in a public and official broadcast trailer is not immunity against containing spoilers. -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk 05:52, 15 September 2006 (PDT)
I kind of disagree, because the picture, while not revealing much (if anything), is not any more of a spoiler than any other page with season 3 pictures. --SilvaStorm
I agree with Santa. A lot of forums have very strict spoiler definitions, and this would definitely qualify. Jus tknowing that Sawyer was imprisoned at all would be spoilerish. We can remove it soon as needed anyway. --PandoraX 17:32, 17 September 2006 (PDT)

Theory Discussion

Doesn't the long (I might say seemingly endless) discussion about whether or not the bear cage actually had bears in it belong here, not in the article? Don't know how to move it or I would.--Tricksterson 10:37, 6 October 2006 (PDT)

  • I think the fact that it is so long and pointiless makes me glad it's not on the main page. I really hate it when people go back and forth on Theory discussions on the main page... if it were up to me, I'd take out all the ridiculous speculation and counterarguments and just leave canon on lostpedia :P --PandoraX 10:42, 6 October 2006 (PDT)
  • If the Cage that Sawyer was held in was really for bears, why did the red food button have a picture of a human knife and fork on it?
  • The knife and fork could be a reference for the humans doing the experiments. There was also a picture of an animal paw on the floor button.
  • Since bears don't understand symbols, the knife and fork symbol are probably just for the television audience and Sawyer to understand its purpose.
  • Could have been a safety protocol for the animal handlers. A handler carrying food could make the animals agressive toward humans. Maybe the bear had to stand on the ramp and push down on the handle with a paw as a way to insure the safety of the handler. Much like Juliet making Jack sit in the corner of his "cage" before giving him food. Then the human would enter and push the button. That way the animals would associate the button/machine with dinner and not a person.
  • This would also have the benefit of helping handlers gain the trust of the animals as the flow of food was dependant on them being present.
  • However, it appears as if there was still food inside the machine after the bears had left or escaped. Why would they restock the machine? It is unlikely the handler's had to enter the cage to feed them.
  • The machine may hold a large amount of treats and not need to be restocked very often, instead of having to be restocked after every use. When the bears left, it probably was still partially stocked.
  • Or, since they are no longer experimenting with "bears", the Dharma people converted the cell into a human holding cage and painted the knife and fork symbol on it. Which is evident with the boy being held captive along with Kate.
  • Notice, however, that When asked "are you DHARMA?" Juliet says "that was a long time ago." BUT We know from LOST Experience video that the bears were a DHARMA experiment, and Mr Friendly tells Sawyer that "it only took the bears two hours." Ergo - The Others are lying and are either currently with or formerly of DHARMA.
  • This could make sense with the fact that when Sawyer pushed the button a voice said "Warning" and when he obtained food music sounds. Polar bears wouldn't understand this.
  • Except that animals can be conditioned with sounds, even if they don't know what the sounds mean. Also, the warning could be for any human who may be in the cage for whatever reason (and unaware what the button does).
  • Would polar bears eat kibble? I know they eat fish and seals, and the local zoo gives them pumpkins to play with (and eat?) in October, but I don't know if Purina makes "Polar Bear Chow".
  • I'm sure if polar bears were caged on a tropical island and given no other choice, they'd eat just about anything. --Minderbinder 12:56, 6 October 2006 (PDT)
  • It's been documented that polar bears will eat whatever they can to survive, including human garbage. [1] Drath 12:21, 7 October 2006 (PDT)
Little bit of overanalysation there, but I shouldn't expect less from the Lost community, eh? The thing isn't obviously a button, put something pretty on it, and a bear might hit it, and if you're going to put something on it, why not put what it does on it. Or, it could just be painted on it by the others to make it obvious to Sawyer. -Chris[dt7] 12:25, 7 October 2006 (PDT)

So, Sawyer has a food dispenser in his cage. But what about Kate? I don't think I've seen one in her cage. Besides, why would they have two cages worth of bears? It would make a lot more sense to have some other kind of animal caged as well, wouldn't it? --Noseman 2006 13:11, 29 October 2006 (CET)

Merger with Hydra

  • Don't Merge - The cage article should not be merged with the hydra until we know more about it. As of S3x1 it seems like we could see a lot more unfold in the cage area of the hydra. thatguy
  • Merge if part of the same facility.--Gonzalo84 16:09, 9 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Don't Merge - The Cage and the Hydra should not be merged in my opinion...We may find that the underwater locations are not even part of the Hydra! But part of a seperate hatch. - Serle_Frederiksen
  • Juliet tells Jack outright that the underwater area is the hydra. It probably makes sense to keep two articles just because they will get long, but I don't think there's any question that both the cages and the underwater section are the Hydra. --Minderbinder 09:11, 13 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Don't Merge - The Hydra is a station. The surrounding area of Otherville (cages, homes, beach luncheon area, rock quarry) are not part of the Hydra. Furthermore, according to Juliet, the Hydra is underwater, and the Cage complex is not (sunlight is visible in a point-of-view shot in s3e1 as sawyer looks upward). There are other indications: Kate blinks at the light, Kate is taken down an outdoor stairway, ambient noise of birds, there is jungle growth in the area, and the list goes on. Furthermore, all of the Hydra scenes (Jack's prison, Ben's video monitoring) are lit by lamps, feature narrow hallways, and the Lost production people clearly choose to feature the opening and closing of large metallic looking doors between each area (see s3e2 for juliet knocking on various doors with large lever handles). I don't understand reasons for claiming this is part of the Hydra: The burden is upon the nominator, and no reasons have yet been given. -- Contrib¯ _Santa_ ¯  Talk 10:57, 13 October 2006 (PDT)
  • Whoa there! You put a "merge" on my post, which was not my intention. I think the cage is part of the Hydra but favor keeping them as separate articles because of the amount of info in each. While I agree that the houses and rock quarry are not part of The Hydra, the cages certainly look like they are since the Hydra logo is visible from the cages. Juliet never said that the Hydra is completely underwater, just that they were in the hydra and that they were underwater. Nothing she says rules out the possibility that the station is partially underwater and partially on land. Also, since each station seems to be designed for a single purpose, it would make sense that both areas are part of the zoology station. The alternative is two zoology stations close to one another which seems unlikely, especially since we know there are only six stations in total. --Minderbinder 12:30, 13 October 2006 (PDT)
    • Don't Merge Enough happens in the Cages to keep a separate article. --The Swan 12:28, 11 November 2006 (PST)
  • I think there's enough desire to keep the two articles separate, especially post Glass Ballerina, that I'm removing the merge tags. --Jajasoon 20:08, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

Reward Song

I don't know where this question belongs, but does anybody know the name of the Reward Song that plays when he succeeds in getting another fish biscuit? (Trying to tracklist my LOST VOL 2 music mix. My first one came in at 1:08 - and I wasn't even trying!) --Brother 14:43, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

Darn good question. I've been trying to figure it out for over a week now and I'm stumped and haven't even seen any discussion of it online. I thought for sure it was a march, probably by Sousa, but struck out there. Now I'm thinking it's not a march but a piece of classical music? If anyone figures it out or even has a hunch, let me know. --Minderbinder 15:08, 13 October 2006 (PDT)
Finally figured it out...should have stuck with my first instinct. --Minderbinder 15:47, 13 October 2006 (PDT)
Thanks! Now not only is the song stuck in my head, but the title and composer too! --Brother 16:03, 13 October 2006 (PDT)

Rename

It seems more suited now that we know there is more than one cage. --SilvaStorm

Rename But I would suggest "The Cages," since we're on the verge of using this descriptor as a proper noun sort of location.--The Swan 12:29, 11 November 2006 (PST)

Even for proper names, we try not to have "The" at the beginning, because it doesn't follow our format (in wikis, "The"s cause problems when linking). Also, it's not a real proper name, it's a nickname. I will, however, rename it to cages. --PandoraX 12:35, 11 November 2006 (PST)

Animals howling

When Kate and Sawyer are in the cage, and anywhere on Hydra Island, wolves or some sort of howling animal can be heard in the background? (Markconnor (talk) 21:15, November 2, 2012 (UTC))

Can you mention a specific scene where you hear them? --- Balk Of Fametalk 11:49, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
I second this. I've never noticed it and as I'm sure with most of us, I've watched those scenes/episodes many times.--Baker1000 (talk) 13:13, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

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