Contents 1 A request 2 From the Theory Page 3 About Locke's Grandmother releasing the Smoke monster 4 Horace or Sayid?

A requestEdit

I've been reading this page alot today I've noticed alot of deleting is going on. Can't we just play nice?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ruthio (talk • contribs) .

From the Theory Page Edit

Below, from the theory page. Some of it should go somewhere else, the rest is a discussion.

• Perhaps Ben waking up in the Sahara in the flash forward in "The Shape of Things to Come" is resultant from the movement of the island, but the time difference between the island and the rest of the world causes him to move forth in time.
• The island moving is the reason for Ben wearing the Dharka when he wakes up in the desert. The island has moved to a colder climate (thus also the "frozen donkey wheel")
  • It's pretty obvious that Ben intended to go to Tunisia and carry out his purposes in Iraq and London. It wasn't an accident.
    • Producers have made it pretty plain that "frozen donkey wheel" is a red herring to throw people of the scent, not a clue.
      • Can you back that up? I was under the impression it wasn't exactly a clue because it won't make any sense until after we've seen the scene it refers to. But that doesn't mean it's a red herring, either. Jacob's Lather 08:08, 9 May 2008 (PDT)
        • Last year's finale scene was referred to as "The Snake in the Mailbox." The term had nothing to do wit the actual scene -- Kate and Jack talking about going back to the island. ParticleMan 11:27, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

--Salvora 11:49, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

This is not even half a theory... needs fleshing out.

• The cabin and the church that Eko started to build in Season 2 are related.
  • Why?
    • Absolutely ridiculous theory. How can Eko start to build something which is already in existence?
      • It was never said that the cabin is the church. Don't call anything a ridiculous theory when its related to a show about a smoke monster.
      • Agreed, this would only work if Eko was building faster than the speed of light.
        • Not saying that the church IS the cabin. Saying that there is a relation between the two that will be revealed.
          • Why? Because they're both made of wood? Kajillion 23:52, 9 May 2008 (PDT)
            • How about discussing the parallels as opposed to just a vague statement? Why is Eko a parallel to Horace? In what was is the Beach Camp similar to the Others Camp at the time that Horace is making the Cabin?

--Salvora 20:14, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

The sand, most theories are extemely farfetched in saying things like "Alternately, it was from the ash/powder moat around Jacob's cabin, embodying the ability to communicate with Jacob/the island" or "The flask contained sal ammoniacus (“salt of Amun”, ammonium chloride) so called because of deposits near the Temple of Jupiter Amun in Ancient Libya. These are resultant near volcanic regions, and the alchemical symbol for this salt was on the tree where Juliet got the vaccine", If required i will post pictures of the sand showing how obvious it clearly is. --Faraday is god 00:52, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

From the theory page:

• The device is absolutely nothing of importance.
  • Then there wouldn't be multiple scenes revolving around it in the episode.

--Salvora 17:53, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

And:

• Did anyone else notice that the sound effect / musical cue played over the shot where we see the orderly is Abbadon, is the same as the one played over the picture kid-Locke drew? Maybe this is a clue that Matthew Abaddon is in some way related to the smoke monster?
  • Does EVERTHING that happens on this show HAVE to be THE SMOKE MONSTER? Get a life. The way contributors to Lostpedia try to connect the Smoke Monster to almost all phenomena presented in the scripts, we may as well just have ONE theory page for the WHOLE site and call it "THE SMOKE MONSTER DID IT." Then I suspect that all the characters in the hospital are "related" to the Smoke Monster, and John's foster family and maybe some people passing on the street when that music played. "Holy fire drill Batman, it's the Smoke Monster." Does it take to much effort to try and think something out for more than 3 seconds and possibly come up with some rational thought that would be supported from the canon of the show?

Please post ONLY theories in the theory page.--Salvora 18:01, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

About Locke's Grandmother releasing the Smoke monsterEdit

• I'm sorry but that theory is probably the most ridiculous theory ever. Shape shifting time traveling Ben Linus and Charles Widmore? Smoke monster being release from a cigarette? No shape shifting has ever been mentioned before and time travel has only been successful with the #15 rabbit, that's been mentioned or shown. It's more likely that the grandmother was frustrated that her daughter was pregnant and that she didn't want anything to do with the child, so she goes to lite up a cigarette and the nurse prevents her because it is a hospital and they are in an incubator room.

--Deucedub17 21:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Horace or Sayid?Edit

What follows is a "theory wannbe." It does not have enough behind it -- yet -- for me to put it on the theory page itself. Comments are requested.

• In "The Man Behind the Curtain", after Ben and Locke left the Cabin, Ben led Locke on a detour and showed him the mass grave. Ben explained that the bodies in the grave were those of members of the DHARMA Initiative and that, when it became clear to him the DHARMA members would be purged he did what he could to stay alive. He did not say that the bodies in the pit were those of DHARMA members who died during the purge. Ben shot Locke in the abdomen and left him for dead.

• In "Through the Looking Glass, Part 1", Locke revived and prepared to kill himself with a revolver he found on a body in the pit until "Taller Walt" intervened and told him he had work to do. DHARMA members did not normally carry firearms unless they were in a heightened state of security.

• In "Cabin Fever", Locke, following a dream in which Horace Goodspeed told him to find Jacob by finding Horace, returned to the grave, sought out Horace's body and found a body clad in a jumpsuit with "Horace" on the breast pocket. He removed from the pocket of that jumpsuit blueprints for Horace's cabin. The blueprints included a map showing the location of the cabin. Using the map, Locke found the cabin and spoke with Christian, who did not identify himself until asked if he were Jacob and who directed Locke to move the Island.

• In "The Incident, Part 1", Sayid is wearing a DHARMA jumpsuit with "Horace" on the breast pocket when he is gut shot by Roger Linus.

• Conclusion: Locke never found Horace. The body in the pit was Sayid. Locke went on to the cabin, where he met with Christian, a representative of the Nemesis. Everything that happened after that was all wrong.

Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 18:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I remember this being discussed on some blogs after the airing of The Incident. The main problem is that the Incident (when Sayid was wearing the jumpsuit) occurs many years before the Purge, and even if Sayid survives the gunshot wound received in "The Incident, Part 1", there is no reason to believe that he keeps the jumpsuit and then dies in the Purge. Now, that is all assuming that the bodies in mass grave were from the Purge, which is what seemed to be insinuated from the conversation between Ben, Locke, and Hurley. You have pointed out a technicality that Ben stated the bodies were DI members, but not specifically ones who died during the purge. If that is really the case, then you have a good theory here. I believe that that grave was DI members from the purge. That being said, I will try to help fill in some holes with your theory incase it is correct.  NEVERGIVEUP  Contribs  Talk  14:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts:(not facts)

• Did Locke mis-interpret the dream with Horace? He seemed to know exactly what he needed to do after the dream and he found it (the Cabin blueprints) exactly where he thought it would be. That seems to point to it all being right. If not, then Nemesis just happened to get lucky with Locke finding the wrong body in the grave, which lead him to the cabin instead of where he was supposed to go.

• Or, was the dream about Horace also from Nemesis?
• That could mean that everything Locke believed about the island was from Nemesis, not Jacob. Which means Nemesis pulled off the greatest con of all time but setting everything in motion causing Locke to be the Other's leader, and then dying which lead to Nemesis taking his for and being the one to have Jacob killed. WOW!

• If Christian is also a rep. of Nemesis, then why couldn't he kill Jacob? Why did he have to use Locke, who used Ben? Possibly had a be a leader of the Others?
• If Christian is a rep. of Nemesis, and Locke was for some reason the only one who Nemesis could use to orchestrate the killing of Jacob, then.... in order for that to happen, Locke had to get off the island, die, and then come back. Christian is the one who made all of that happen, by telling Locke what he had to do. That is also why he said that Ben wasn't supposed to turn the wheel, Locke was. That is the only way he could get him off island and make him believe he had to die to get back.

 NEVERGIVEUP  Contribs  Talk  14:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)