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See also: Talk:Barracks/Otherville for discussion on the Otherville article prior to merge.

Something's Wrong...

It says that the barracks were first introduced in "?" but on the "Locations" article (Where it colors in boxes for seasons) it does not color in the box for season 2.

Editing the Actual Article

Can we put anything about Otherville looking like the barracks in here, because it is obvious that that is where it is.

I Think that this article be merged with "Otherville", because that is what it is.--Robertunes 16:54, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

Wait for tonight for confirmation --Jackdavinci 01:37, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

Possible Location

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Looks Like Barracks

Enter 77

I think that after we have seen the map Sayid found in the Flame, we can now say that "Otherville" is the barracks. Nick2010 19:35, 7 March 2007 (PST)

It's likely but we might as well wait till next week to be sure.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 20:15, 7 March 2007 (PST)

That's what i thought... --Sekhmort 14:06, 20 March 2007 (PDT)

Othersville = Barracks

Image

Why is the image in the infobox of Mr Candle. His nasal impliment is not the barracks last time I checked. Princess Dharma (banned)

Barracks, Barrier, and Otherville

I suggest merging the barracks article with Otherville, but leaving the sonic barrier as a separate article. It's possible the barrier "protects" more than Otherville, and might be featured separately... --Pedxing 20:37, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

I would agree with this. The barrier is a good distance from the actual barracks and seems to me to be important enough to consider it a separate structure. Consider, Ms. Klugh says that they can't let the survivors into "the territory," not "the barracks" specifically, which I think suggests that the barrier might guard other things as well. At the very least, they should be separated until it is confirmed that the barrier is a security system for the barracks exclusively.--Compossible

Considering that the DHARMA cabling map shows the barrier going around the barracks I don't see a reason to have a separate article at this point. If we learn something more later on that would justify a second article, I could see breaking it out.    Jabberwock    talk    contribs    email   - 07:12, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

The Blast door map notations list the barrier as 'Security barrier' as opposed to 'Sonic barrier.' Considering the fact that the first term has already been used by Swan occupants (and presumably the DHARMA Initiative itself), should it not be used in the article, too?--Stan 12:11, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

I would rather like to see a seperate article page for the sonic/security barrier. In my view it's two different entities; the village and it's security perimeter. (That is, the barrier is not really a part of the village.) In any case, the barrier was such a major location in Par Avion and thus it should've earned its own article page. --Jambalaya 16:58, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

The barrier also played an important role in Left Behind. I think there's enough information on the barrier now (including the keypad and the fact that it can apparently stop the monster) to warrant giving it its own page. Certainly, if there's a separate page for a pinball machine, there could be for this as well. But I'll wait to see what other people think before separating them or anything.--Compossible 16:42, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

I agree. Furthermore, at one point I believe Juliet said 'it doesn't like our fences', suggesting that there may even be more than one, not necessarily tied to the barracks.


article needs to be rewritten

This article should be rewritten to actually be about the barracks. Right now there is far too much information about the process of discovering the barracks and how information was revealed in the show. I'll do it eventually if someone else doesn't do it first. Dharmatel4 15:08, 15 March 2007 (PDT)

Is it just me...?

Or does anyone else hear 'Hotel California' by The Eagles in their head every time they see this place?

Maybe it's just me... Blackannis 17:04, 17 March 2007 (PDT)

It's just you. I hear "Downtown." --Ghtx 16:29, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

Sonic Barrier Discussion

Main article: Talk:Sonar fence

Can we please make these two different articles? Sure the barrier surrounds Otherville, but it is not part of it. The sonic barrier needs to have its own article. [--pom5msu] [--talk] 20:36, 18 March 2007 (PDT)

I agree. Besides, there may be other places on the island where a similar barrier may be used. Do any maps confirm this?


If the barrier was built during 'the purge', how would it have been effective? It seems like Kate, Sahid and John had no problems getting over it. There dont appear to be guard posts, so its a poor anti-invader fence. Why not just use an electric fence rather than some elaborate, Dr Evil-like scheme of killing with sound waves? Also, the fence is very vulnerable to just being blown up... So I dont think this fence was meant to keep humans out. Maybe polar bears or maybe the black smoke? Maybe something unknown at this point in the story? --Rjtalbot 13:10, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Problem is that the barrier is specifically designed to kill humans. The frequency is designed to go after something with the same resonance frequency as a human skull. I thought the whole crossing of the barrier thing was really done poorly. It should have been a whole lot harder than tipping a tree on top of a pylon. Maybe the power of the system isn't what it was and the effect no longer extends upward. In reality, the sonic effect should have extended up into the air high enough such that the tree crossing would be impossible. Otherwise its a useless fence. It could have also been designed to be effective against people (the hostiles) with no explosives and no technology. I thought the fence was a good idea. I just wish they had come with a more creative way of defeating it. Dharmatel4 15:15, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
That is one of the several bands present in the sound spectrum. There are other bands of lower frequencies as well. Honestly, at this point, I am not even sure that the sound played in the show for the sonic barrier resembles the sound it would emit in order to function. Maybe we are reading too much into it?

Am I missing something here? Where did the idea of an electric fence come from? There are no wires seen running between the poles.. Plus, Mikhail was able to get through it, and there was no indication of any arcing between the poles. Why the sudden change in terminology? Even the official lost podcast refers to it as a sonic barrier, and even mentions the idea that the volume on it may not have been turned all the way up. --steve 12:39, 24 March 2007 (PDT)

I undid the edit of electric fence, Mozkill is free to discuss it here with us and explain it. As far as we know though, it's a sonic barrier. Flippy 12:54, 24 March 2007 (PDT)
I cannot agree to the term "sonic barrier", either. There is in fact no barrier--only a sonic response to an intrusion. IIRC, the show only called it a "security perimeter"--please correct if wrong. Robert K S 10:52, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

How do the Others turn it down? If the data pad is on a side of a pole, than they would've needed to enter the space between the poles thus detonating the fence.

Since it can only be activated from that side, there would have to be a person on that side to turn it down. Meaning it's meant to be used by whoever is in control of the inside. --Sauron18 12:52, 5 April 2007 (PDT)
My bad, it seemed to me that the pad is on the side that faces an other pole... Asgan 10:44, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

As seen in "the man behind the curtain", there is a pad on both sides of the pylon. http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=97660&fullsize=1

Size

Someone wrote that based on the map, the Barracks were roughly a mile long, but that's assuming the size meter represents 1 mile (which, even if it did, the Barracks are still longer than the meter). That said, the meter says something like "30" or "10" or some number and then the word "Miles", which means it represents more than one mile and that the Barracks are certainly more than 1 mile long. Can anyone see clearly what it says? --Sauron18 11:36, 19 March 2007 (PDT)

Here [1] is an inverted (for clarity) version of the section in question. It looks to me like it says "10 Miles". --Sauron18 11:54, 19 March 2007 (PDT)

It definitely does not say '10 miles'. Notice how the paper is creased at that point. Whatever word is before 'miles' is as long as the word 'miles'. It probably says 'Scale: Miles'. Also notice the tick marks and numbers beneath the meter. These are numbered 1-4, indicating that the whole meter is 4 miles long and that each tick mark represents one mile.


It was me that suggested that the Barracks was 1 mile long. That is because on a high-res image, the size meter on the bottom is in 1/4 mile increments. --Samhain99 12:08, 19 March 2007 (PDT)

It does make more sense that it says "Scale Miles" when I think of it like that. Either way, I don't think we can be sure about the size because the scale seems to be.....a bit off --Sauron18 12:44, 19 March 2007 (PDT)
You certainly wont hurt my feelings if we drop the reference on the page. I doubt, however, that the barracks are in fact 4 miles long( which would be the case if each tick is 1 mile ), as that would make the buildings within between 1/4 and 1/2 miles squared in size. Making each tick 1/4 mile made the diagram "fit" a normal scale, but being almost a mile in length seems extreme. --Samhain99 12:49, 19 March 2007 (PDT)
That whole map is pretty messed up, the buildings are too few for "an entire community", the pylons are too few compared to what we saw in the episode, and in general it's just a bit odd. I assume the main purpose of the map was to show direction rather than actual scale....--Sauron18 13:14, 19 March 2007 (PDT)
Keep in mind that the purpose of the map was to show underground cabling. Many of the objects on the map besides the barracks are not to scale. Even the representations around the flame on the map are more symbolic than a scale represetation.Dharmatel4 15:18, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
Yeah, I guess so, after all we see about at least 23 houses in the season 3 premiere, and there aren't that many in the map. I think we should remove any statements regarding the configurations we see in the map. They don't fit what we've seen and been told of the Barracks, but are most likely just from Camp Erdman and used for the sake of being quick. --Sauron18 12:55, 5 April 2007 (PDT)
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Cabling map from season 3 DVD extras

DharmacaCablingMapDistances

Cabling map with superimposed scale

This image from the Season 3 DVD extras shows the scale says "SCALE IN MILES". Clearly the houses shown within the boundary are not to scale, but otherwise, considering the topo lines, things should be to scale. For example, the distance across the area bordered by the sonar fence is approximately 3.5 x 5 miles.

The Wharf

The Wharf as introduced in the most recent episode is really problematical. What was shown was a submarine at a dock in a body of water of reasonable size. This presents the following problems:

  • All the photos and maps show the Barracks as being a good distance inland. Its not on the coast. I would say its more than two miles inland.
  • The barracks in the photos has to be at an elevation far above sea level.
  • The DHARMA cabling map doesn't seem to show a body of water within the security perimeter of the barracks.

Because the location is above sea level, there would have to be an elaborate system of underground locks leading from the Barracks to the ocean and it would take a very long time to get from the Barracks to the ocean.

The other alternative is that the wharf isn't in the Barracks but is rather down by the ocean. The problem with that is the fence, the distance to the ocean and what was shown in the episode. We didn't see Locke cross the fence and he didn't seem very far (ocean far) from the barracks when he destroyed the sub.

So far, there really isn't a good explaination for the Wharf or how it fits into the Barracks.

Dharmatel4 15:05, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Surely they wouldn't have made *that huge* of a goof in production, just one episode after showing us the elaborate sonic fence. Perhaps Locke found one of the underground passages that run beneath the security perimeter (as shown on the barracks map), and they just decided not to take the time to show it on screen. JoelVanAtta 18:45, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Thats possible. Alexandra would have shown him the way so his finding his way there I dont think would be a problem. The minor problems I see with it being outside the barracks are: 1) the distance (its a couple mile walk...far but not impossible). and 2) that it was outside the security perimeter but unguarded. I agree that its possible to come up with explainations, but it would be nice if someone associated with the show eventually answered this one. Dharmatel4 10:35, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

The map does indicate several underground passages which lead outside the security perimeter, so they could have gotten out that way. That said, the map was probably put in the binders when the Dharma operation first began. That had to have been at least a few decades ago, and the island geography could have changed since then. Water may be quite a bit closer to the barracks than what would have been a few decades ago. The wharf could be quite close (just outside of the overhead shot of the barracks that we saw earlier in the season).

The overhead shot at the start of season three shows the barracks very far from the water. The other problem I have is that if you watch the episode, its not suggested that the walk to the water is far. And there is also the presence of Rousseau. Russeau sees Alexandra for the first time near the wharf. If the wharf were far from the barracks (tunnel far), it seems strange that Rousseau would ignore the residential area in favor of exploring tunnels and the wharf. Dharmatel4 10:22, 24 March 2007 (PDT)
It's entirely possible that the shot of the Barracks from the beginning of the season was done before they had a complete plan for them. I mean, in that shot we only saw about 20 houses, and while we haven't seen much more it seems that the Barracks would be a lot bigger to "house an entire community". Just like the houses, it's also possible they decided to include a small body of water in that shot (which could be connected to the ocean through tunnels and such). We don't really know, but it goes without saying that the Barracks we saw in the first episode are very different script-wise, and perhaps they'll edit the shot at some point. We can only hope the producers address this in some manner. --Sauron18 13:14, 24 March 2007 (PDT)
Guys, just because the two scenes were shown directly after one another, does not mean that it didn't take 30 minutes to get there. Would you really want to watch Locke and Alex walk through a dark forest for 20 minutes? -Mr.Leaf 13:17, 24 March 2007 (PDT)
It's more than editing. Unless Alex is really sloppy, there's no way they could've gone all the way to the ocean, deactivating the pylons and all, and have Rousseou following. There's also no way the Others would leave their submarine unguarded out on the ocean. Had we not seen that shot of the Barracks in the beginning of the season, we would simply assume the wharf is within the complex, which is why I think that shot may be edited in the future. --Sauron18 13:22, 24 March 2007 (PDT)
3x16 Juliet arrives

Juliet arrives on the island

  • We saw more of the wharf in daylight in "One of Us". But it's still not quite clear where it is. We dont' see any ocean so it could be a lake, but we never saw exactly behind it so it could be a thin inlet or skinny cove. And behind the dock we see jungle and behind that one of the plateaus or random peaks? --Jackdavinci 09:45, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
I'm convinced now that its a lake at sea level near the barracks. I'm convinced its a lake because of the lack of tide or waves. The shots in the episode suggest that the ground toward the barracks is at a much higher elevation. In taking a new look at the barracks shots in the first episode of season three I can kind of see where the lake might be. There is kind of a blind spot in the picture where a hill and elevation of the ground around could hide a lake. I think its outside the barracks fence but not that far from the barracks.
Its still possible that the "lake" could actually have an outlet to the sea. In favor of it is that the Pala Ferry used to take people back to the barracks. Against it is that none of the Others boats are seen at the Wharf (indicating they are somewhere else). Dharmatel4 23:08, 13 April 2007 (PDT)

It's really premature to decide that the submarine docks at a lake, and especially that that lake links to the sea with a tunnel. In fact, as pointed out above, it is unlikely that there would be a tunnel since we know that a "ferry" carried personnel to the barracks. --Pedxing 13:04, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

Well it's not premature to say it docks at a lake....since we've seen it. I do agree with your other point, however, and think that we don't know if it's underground. It's probably through a river, or some such thing, that the Barracks' lake is connected to the Ocean. --Sauron18 13:57, 16 April 2007 (PDT)
  • The scene was shot on a lake. That doesn't mean it's supposed to represent a lake; a good breakwater could account for the lack of wave action. When Ben and Roger arrive on the Island, there are vans near the wharf. Transportation to the Barracks?--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 03:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Well apparently the wharf is in some sort of lagoon somewhere close to the Hydra. --LOST-The Cartographer 03:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
"Namaste" definitely complicated my earlier opinion that this was a lake, making it seem more likely that it's a bay. Ben says, from the Hydra, "There's a small dock about a half mile due south across the water. It leads directly to a town where I used to live." And that dock appears to be the sub docking dock (especially evident with Ben and FLocke arrive there in the daytime). That makes me reconceive of my theories of where the Hydra actually is, and it makes it clear that a hand-paddled boat can get from the Hydra to that dock without too much trouble! It must be a bay. The harder part, of course, is the annoying question of the sonic fence--which neither Sun/Lapidus nor Ben/FLocke seem to have passed through, though I kind of suppose they must have. Thoughts? Basementwall 23:12, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
Ah, this is finally cleared up for me. I just rewatched "Follow the Leader," and when the sub leaves from the wharf it's clear that it heads out a bay into the ocean. That means that the wharf must not be inside the pylon fence--which means that people cross is surprisingly often off-camera. Basementwall 18:35, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
Did you watch "What Kate Does" ? It is clear that the sub dock is visible from the Barracks as Kate points out Sawyer's house to her. Furthermore, we know it's the same dock b/c Sawyer says this is where he had the convo with Juliet in "LaFluer" to have her stay. It's obvious we have been presented contradictory info from the show. On one hand we've been shown a landlocked Barracks completely surronded by a sonar fence (3.01 and the cable map) and on the other hand a barracks that has a dock on it, in which a sub can go straight out to the ocean ('Follow the Leader', 'Namaste', 'Dead is Dead') LEHLegacy 14:25, February 11, 2010 (UTC)LEHLegacy
BIG continuity error.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 15:08, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
BIG doesn't even begin to describe itLEHLegacy 17:58, February 11, 2010 (UTC)LEHLegacy
Huge.  Robert K S   tell me  18:18, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
To quote Michael, "How does something this big not get discovered?" --Celebok 21:11, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, so now what are we going to do about it ? LEHLegacy 21:21, February 11, 2010 (UTC)LEHLegacy
Our best option is to track the "Most Grievous Continuity Errors." New page? New category? Of course there might already be one of both that I haven't seen.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 22:04, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Frankly, I don't think this is any worse a geography error than the fact that the statue has both a mountain and a plain behind it, or the various other irreconcilable details about the relative positions and distances among Island landmarks.  Robert K S   tell me  01:48, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
KATE: "That was your house right? With Juliet?" Did she point? It seems to me she did, but I'm not inclined right now to track it down on ABC and check. If she pointed, then the producers/writers made a conscious decision to place the house within view of the wharf. The continuity error is in their thought process.
She defiantly gestures toward something LEHLegacy 19:35, February 12, 2010 (UTC)LEHLegacy
Wait a sec fellas what if the sonar fence and the Barracks are within seeing distance? Just because we don't see the wharf on the cabling map doesn't mean its not close. It could be that the Barracks and therefore the fence is maybe a hundred yards or so away from the dock? --LOST-The Cartographer 05:16, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
  • Based on both the contour lines on the cabling map and the long shot in which we first saw the barracks, the community is nestled in a nice little valley.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 17:10, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
  • Kate could have been gesturing/pointing in the direction that they came from. It doesn't mean that Sawyer's house and the Barracks were in viewing distance. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 18:16, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
  • This sounds very apologetic for the show. No matter how you slice it, the dock has to be close enough to the Barracks that Kate could trek from the Temple to the Barracks (something we were told once by Ben is a day's and half walk), from the Barracks to the dock, to the dock back to the Temple before all in one daylight's time ? You think Sawyer is going to take an hour plus walk to the dock, chat with Kate once she meets him there for 3 mins then walk back ? No chance. LEHLegacyLEHLegacy
  • More evidence the boathouse/dock is defiantly at the Barracks. In "Eggtown" when Sawyer tells Locke that Kate is busting Miles out to pay a visit to Ben, they run to the boathouse to learn Miles is no longer there. If this was an an hours trip, they wouldn't trek all the way out to the boathouse then go all the way back to the Barracks and catch Kate in the act. Also, would Locke really send Hurley on an hours walk to give Miles lunch ? LEHLegacy 22:24, February 16, 2010 (UTC)LEHLegacy

The child

In the trivia section it says that a child and set of swings can be seen at the end of Par Avion. Where is this child? I have watched it over and over and checked the screencaps, and I still can't see it. If this statement in the trivia section is an error (which I believe it is), then it should be removed as it is completely contradicts what precious little we know about the Others and their fertility problems.--TechNic 23:16, 24 March 2007 (PDT)

Given that nobody has offered any evidence of this child, I have removed the reference on the main page.--TechNic 22:58, 30 March 2007 (PDT)

Tom's house and the game room most probably not the same thing

The game room Kate is seen in is probably not the same location as the one Tom mentions to Ben as "my place". It's more probable that he means his own private house and not the game room. If you'll recall, Tom first tells ben that both Kate and Sayid are being held together at "my place" (taken to mean, his house, that is), at which point Ben tells him to go and move them to separate locations. Soon after that, Kate is seen in the game room. So, as opposed to the article's reference to it, the game room may not be "Tom's" at all.--Boyen 07:43, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

In support of this, Sayid is later seen chained up outside. They are never shown together in one place. Dharmatel4 08:49, 26 March 2007 (PDT)

The sonic wall

Main article: Talk:Sonar fence

it looks like the sonic wall took about 2-3 seconds to make the (sonic) sound and then activated,, it looks like a system that takes about 5-10 seconds to fully activate and destroy the intruder. It is not like an electric fence where a lethal shock can be activated within milliseconds. I wounder if its possible to run across the fence because I don't think it will kill a person for passing very fast or even doing a head dive across the fence. you know, running really fast and when approaching the fence just do a head dive and roll or something, something action :P... what do you guys think?--mo-- (Talk | Saa ) 08:52, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

This theory mentioned in one of the podcasts, and the presponce was that they don't believe it was turnned up to its maximum, and thats why it took a while to kill patchy --Hit and miss 09:04, 27 March 2007 (PDT)

Furthermore, in that same podcast, the writers suggest that he may not even be dead.
It seemed to kind of stun him into standing still, but then again Mikhail seemed like he wanted to die.--Baker1000 08:14, 28 March 2007 (PDT)

So...the monster could quite easily fly right over the sonic wall. I think its now safe to assume it is not primarily for keeping the monster out.--Knive 05:47, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

I disagree. Juliet turned on the fence and then cockily and confidently watched the monster slam into it. She seems like she knows about monsters and fences more than Kate does. If she wasn't sure that the barrier would stop the monster, why would she stick around to find out?
Yeah, I think she knew it would stop the monster too. I do think that stopping the monster was not the reason it was originally built (Thus perhaps Juliet was telling the truth when she said something like, "It doesn't like our fences." When she said that, I thought she was implying they were built for a different purpose, but coincidentally they were also good for monster stopping). It would just be so easy for it to fly over it. If Kate et al. climbed right over without triggering it, and we have seen the monster fly high (I think when it killed Eko would be a good example), it would be a lot to swallow to believe it couldn't.--Knive 13:48, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

sonic barrier gate code

Main article: Talk:Sonar fence

just wanted to confirm in "Left Behind", it does appear that in fact the code is most likely 1623 Enturbulate

yep. frame by framed on this one. Definitely 1 (camera switch) 6 2 3. steve 09:45, 5 April 2007 (PDT)

Article categories

Should the Barracks still be categorized under "Off-island_locations"? I can see a time when that would have made sense, back when we weren't sure of the location, but now surely we know it is on the main Island.--TechNic|talk|conts 22:02, 9 April 2007 (PDT)

Unsolved?

Why are the Barracks in the "Unsolved" category? We know pretty much everything about them. --Sauron18 19:47, 16 April 2007 (PDT)

where are the boats

Jack and the Others clearly took a regular boat when they left the Hydra island (although they had to use a smaller boat to get to it), but at the wharf at the Barracks we see only the Sub. So where are the regular boats? How do the Pala Ferry and the other boats get to the Barracks if not by the lake, and how does the sub leave the lake if it isn't accessible by the other boats? --Jackdavinci 13:03, 17 April 2007 (PDT)

The best theory would be that the lake is at sea level and there is an underground tunnel or cave connecting the lake to the sea. I think the real answer is that the sub prop is at the fish pond and the production isn't going to spend the money to move any boats there for one scene. Its the same reason why the submarine is never seen anywhere but the wharf.
The other theory would be that in the daylight flashback, the boats are all at the Hydra. And in the present, we only saw the wharf at night. In the present the boats could have been close by but not tied to the wharf to make room for the submarine. Dharmatel4 16:16, 18 April 2007 (PDT)
I don't think they'd leave the Hydra completely abandoned though, so the boats might've gone back there. --Sauron18 16:20, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

School House?

Should the school house from the Man Behind the Curtain be added? It's not 100% certain it's in the barracks, but it's among at least on other building and logically it should be among the houses where the children live. If not, maybe a page should be created for the school. - DrummerGirl 20:08, 12 May 2007 (BST)

Well, it seems to be the same room that is now Tom's Game Room, so the info of what it previousley was could be added in there. --Sauron18 12:24, 12 May 2007 (PDT)

new map of the barracks

This is a detailed "map" of the barracks derived from material on the season three DVDs. This is the map that is superimposed inside the security barrier on DHARMA cabling map. It shows Bens, Juliets and Jacks "houses". The map actually is from the set design of the show and is a representation of the buildings at the YMCA camp.

The map is problematic because its sort-of a representation of the barracks, but not really. We can assume that everything on the map is within the barracks (especially the houses identified which are consistant with the scenes in the show). But its difficult to know if this is a representation of the entire barracks. The long distance shots from the season three opening show additional buildings which would appear past the gazebo on the right side of the map. These buildings are obviously not part of the real YMCA camp. I would say that everything to the right of the gazebo walkway is kind of suspect.

The DVD also showed that the second story of Ben's house is a false front put on the single story house. Dharmatel4 17:13, 16 December 2007 (PST)


Barracks-detail

Barracks Set Design notes

This is the barracks set design included in the season 3 Blu-ray DVD. The interesting details on this map are the locations of the security cameras and other set details.

Dharmatel4 17:19, 16 December 2007 (PST)


Barracks-set-design

Positioning and perspectives on the season 3 opening shots

I've drawn a diagram of the relative placement/movement of people in the season 3 opening at the Barracks and shown the vitual position of the camera in the second longshot of the Barracks. I can determine the position of the camera for the second longshot from the position of the gazebo.

The main observation is that the longshot seems to be a thrown together image. It doesn't really follow the layout of the YMCA camp or the close-in shots that preceed it. However, if its assumed that everything on the side of the gazebo walkway near the mountains follows the set design of the barracks, the long shot could give a representation of the houses on the other side of the walkway (which don't exist at the YMCA camp).

The other interesting bit is that Goodwin and Ethan both appear to be going in the wrong directions if the DHARMA cabling map is correct. Goodwin is running west (he should be going east) and Ethan is running south (he should be going north).

Dharmatel4 18:57, 16 December 2007 (PST)

Barracks-s3-opening-notes

Unanswered Questions?

Why is the this an unanswered question "Why did the Others leave the Barracks?" when Ben makes it clear that they need to leave because Kate, Sayid and that now know where their location is. So they had to leave to protect themselves from attack?Wild ste 13:53, 7 January 2008 (PST)

Location of the Game Room at the Barracks

By looking at the layout of the barracks and some scenes from "left behind", I've been able to identify the game room as being building 27 on the set design map. This is the building that is directly west of Jack's house at the Barracks. There are a couple scenes where Kate is looking out the side window. The two buildings she is looking at can be identified from the YMCA camp map and that can be used to figure out her location. There is no other place on the camp map that matches. I think the game room interior was a set, but the POV outside the window gives a definitive placement. Dharmatel4 01:48, 13 January 2008 (PST)

Location of Ben's childhood House at the Barracks

In the "man behind the curtain", there is establishing exterior shot for the house of Ben and Roger during DHARMA times around 14 minutes into the episode. Ben and Roger lived in the lower left corner of the building that Jack would later live in at the Barracks. Its building 23. Dharmatel4 02:09, 18 January 2008 (PST)

School and orientation facility

The sets for both of these sites at the barracks was the YMCA Camp Eardman Assembly Hall (there was a phony divider wall in the school scenes). The building is not on the maps of the barracks. Dharmatel4 02:45, 18 January 2008 (PST)

Ben's House

Can we add Ben's house as a separate page? This is because of the idea of the secret rooms,his Dharma like basement and all the other facts and unique aspects of his house. Also, we see his house the most of any Other and since he is such a prominent character his house needs to be recognized. Thank you, User Jdaug10

The lake

Why is there no separate page about the lake? It's a location separate from the Barracks so why not make a page for it? --The Cartographer 11:07, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

Are we sure this body of water is a lake? If it is, how does the Galaga get to sea?--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 19:16, 25 June 2008 (PDT)

Claire's House

I'm kind of confused where's Claire's house is located at. I know that they built a new house to blow up in "The Shape of Things to Come". I believe that this "new" house is located in between the west cluster of houses and the playground area, due to the fact that when Sawyer is running towards Claire's house he runs along the playground area. But where is Claire's house from "Eggtown". They obviousely wouldn't have the house built that early, so which house was it? User:LostCloverfield

Redshirt's House

What is the number of the redshirt's house. I believe that it is the house accross the way from Juliet's house, between houses 18 and 22. I can't read the number of the house. User:LostCloverfiled42

Notables

The notables list is either incomplete or overloaded. It mentions Keamy and Omar, but not the remaining four merceneries. I don't think Omar is particularly special, although he may be the number two in the mercenaries. We barely saw anyone's face except for that of Keamy. My opinion is that Keamy's description should be expanded to include: "He was accompanied by his five troops, one of whom was fatally injured during the fight." Omar should be dropped.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 13:19, 11 July 2008 (PDT)

New Page for Ben's House?

I think Ben's house might be significant enough to get its own page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by pennyj (talkcontribs) 18:15, 23 August 2008.

  • Agree, although we will have to entertain recommendations for pages for other structures, such as the Hall, the Playground, and the Schoolroom, which are mentioned in the Barracks, and others where significant events occurred.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 16:30, 23 August 2008 (PDT)

I don't think Ben's house should have its own page. Although his house is a significant landmark of the Barracks, it doesn't need to be a seperate article. Like Jim said above, the boathouse, playground, schoolroom, etc are all significant landmarks as well. It's best to keep everything inside of the Barracks article. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 17:24, 29 August 2008 (PDT)

Which orientation scenario is better?

OthersvilleIslandNorthMontage OthersvilleSunDirection In an attempt to try to figure out the orientation of the barracks on the island I employed two strategies, each of which gave a contradictory result. In the first, I used the Cabling map to figure out North relative to the buildings. Second, since we know the time the plane crashed, we know which direction the sun would be (West at 4:00 PM), and we can use the shadows to determine the directions of things. So, can any of you find a way to reconcile them? Or do you think either one is faulted? Do you think one deserves more credence than the other? <hiero>O34:O4-G17-D58-A1</hiero> zholmboe 04:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Google Maps Map

Googlemapsbarracks

This is the Google Mappage of the YMCA locations. Dunno if it should go on the main page, but the "structure" mentioned to the east is actually some trees. --Orbitingteapot 01:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

  • The main page is a good idea. Talk may get archived. I think it's important to note that the long shot of the Barracks is a CGI item.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 01:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
  • The wikipedia article about Google Earth seems to indicate the copyright on these sorts of images is pretty strict.
<hiero>O34:O4-G17-D58-A1</hiero> zholmboe 02:17, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Using the entire picture with Google information and copyright should cover the issue. Copyright allows for usage when it's part of a commentary of the image, and it's not commercial use. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 08:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

25 March podcast

When this podcast is up, there's a bit about how the houses are only one house stage for the inside view, which is changed to be Ben's, Juliet's, Jack's, etc. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 19:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Horace's house - The Tunnels

Should we suspect that Horace had knowledge of the Tunnels since his house had a staircase that led to some basement where he could have accessed them? I'm guessing Horace and maybe a few others knew about the tunnels. -- CTS  Talk   Contribs 22:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Richard walked up to a rock wall, sounded out a hollow spot (I'd wondered what he was going to do with that sledge), and broke through into Horace's basement. How could they have set the basement wall without digging into space occupied by the tunnels? Horace knew. So did the construction workers. So did.... --Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 23:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

How many houses?

How many houses were there in 1977? Since there coming new people in 1977 on a half year, how many? But then there will be houses gone in 2004, isn't it? --Station7 12:39, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Well I think it's safe to assume that there are over 40 houses or so. If DHARMA had a maximum of 216 personnel as the Truce were stipulate, you need at least that many houses. However there are factors like single people with their own homes; multiple singles who share a house; married/unmarried couples; and people who live in places like the Flame or the Hydra but return the Barracks after their tour. --LOST-The Cartographer 19:25, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Sub Conflict

There is no real evidence that the dock for the submarine is anywhere near the Barracks, and Pierre Chang mentions that each new recruit takes a shuttle from the dock to the barracks. I think the lagoon is more secluded, and the trip from dock to barracks is long enough to require a van, therefore the dock is not a part of the barracks. Crohall (talk) 18:51, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

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