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Contents 1 DHARMA Stations 2 Why Ben, Sun, Locke, and Frank didn't time travel to 1977 3 The Barracks - Season 5 and before season 5 4 The Numbers during the Ajira Crash Landing 5 Ben 6 Sun-Hwa Kwon 7 The Flash 8 Monster? 9 Outrigger used by Sun and Frank 10 Ethan as the baby 11 Radzinsky 12 Photo Timing 13 Sun's "Journey" 14 Others 15 Miscellaneous 16 Processing Center is different 17 Christian 18 Orientation and Sub recruits list

DHARMA Stations

• The DHARMA initiative builds their structures with either respect for or in secret from the "Hostiles"/"Others." This is why Radzinsky was so concerned with Sayid seeing his plans. The Swan was meant to be build in complete secret from the others (explaining why its two entrances are so well hidden). The orchid station, too, is a secret station, but to be built an agreement must have been made with the hostiles to allow DHARMA to build a "green house" on top of the area, otherwise DHARMA folk would be betraying the truce by building anything outside of their fenced in area.

• Many (if not all) of the DHARMA stations are outside of the fenced-in area; none of the survivors of 815 had to cross the fence to get to the Swan, Pearl, Arrow, Staff, Flame, Tempest, or Hydra. Only the Barracks are contained within the fence.
• It always seemed to me like the Swan was successfully hidden from the Others. I see no other reason why they would have left its inhabitants alone after the purge.
• When Jin and Radzinsky run out of the flame and confronts Sayid for being in DHARMA territory, they are clearly not inside the sonic fence. So evidently the territorial lines are outside the sonic fence.
  • Some parts of the territorial lines are near the fence, while others, as this clearly shows, are not near the sonic fence. (Sayid CLEARLY was not hopping sonic fences while hand-cuffed like he was.)

Why Ben, Sun, Locke, and Frank didn't time travel to 1977

When Ajira Airways Flight 316, some of the Oceanic 6 were sent back in time to 1977, except for Ben and Sun. Additionally, the planes pilot, Frank, and Ben, along with other passengers, didn't time travel.

• Because they've all met Widmore in the "present day." None of the other characters who had previously been on the island had ever encountered Widmore face to face before. We've seen Ben, Locke and Sun in close quarters with Widmore, while Frank has referred to Widmore as his boss when hired as a chopper pilot, we can presume he had met Widmore before.
  • It is very unlikely that Faraday had not met Widmore. Widmore funded his research and committed to taking care of Theresa Spencer afterward. It is almost certain that Dan had not only met Widmore but that he had a working relationship with him over the research he was doing.
    • Um, Faraday wasn't on the Flight 316. We're discussing the reason why certain people on the plane stayed in the present timeline while others were transported to 1977. Daniel was (presumably) already there.
• Well Eloise Hawkins did say that if they didn’t simulate the exact events then the transition of returning to the Island will be unpredictable, it could just be that those four were unlucky enough be left in the future.
• There is a rule. There can't be two instances of the same person at the same time on the island. There can't be two Charlotte's in 1974 and as they were about to get there, she bleed and died. There were moments with two of them at the same time during the time-jumps, Locke notices his other self is near in one of those flashes, right when he finds the hatch in 2004 the day Boone died and Desmond turns on the light from the inside, also Sawyer peeks while Claire gives birth helped by Kate in 2004, so his other-self must be near and definitely on the island, this is why some of them start bleeding too. So they keep jumping in time without control until they settle in 1974 and then the rule of no repeated people stays. There can't be two Suns on the island in 1977 and that's the reason why she didn't go back in time. Baby Sun was on the island in 1977, I guess she's probably Dr. Pierre Chang's daughter.
  • She is not Chang's offspring. Sun was born in 1980. Also, what evidence is there of the rule of "no repeated people"? Faraday made it evident that the nosebleeds definitely had something to do with how long a person has been exposed to the island (which was confirmed when Charlotte revealed she used to live on the island). Also, it created a UQ about Miles' previous life on the island, which would hint at the possibility of him being the son of Pierre Chang. Never was there anything said about a rule for multiple instances of a person not being allowed on the island. Even if this were true, why would this be a selective rule/law? Simply because they were traveling through time erratically? If that's the case, then why not say the rule of gravity stops working when erratic time travel occurs on the island? The rule of "no repeated people" is pure speculation to help support a purely speculative theory.
  • There is no rule that says that their can't be two instances of the same person at the same time. In the flash where Sawyer witnessed Kate delivering Aaron, there were two Sawyers in that timeline. There were also two Juliet's, and two Hurley's on the island at that time as well.
    • In Some Like It Hoth, Miles looks in on his father, Pierre Chang, reading to the earlier version of himself.
• Assume for a second the o6 never left the island, like various people have said, they where never supposed to leave, so assumeing they never left, think about where everyone would be if they never left the island. Ben will have pushed the wheel causing the time jumps, locke will have pushed the wheel to stop the time jumps, so ben and locke would have left the island. Frank may have never gone to the island in the first place. Sun however would be time traveling with the rest of the losties, but because she was pregnant she would have died. So now fit that in with what actually happened. When they came back to the island course correction stepped in and put everyone where they needed to be, jack kate and hurley would be in the past, the rest would just crash as normal
• The latest recap explained that the passengers ending up in different times was a result of not perfectly recreating Flight 815. It was a random outcome and had nothing to do with the specific people involved.

The Barracks - Season 5 and before season 5

This discussion is not about the 2007/2008 question; that one needs to occur elsewhere.

“	There's a small dock about a half mile due south across the water. It leads directly to a town where I used to live. There are resources there.	”
—Ben Linus

Sun, Ben, Frank and John are in 2007/2008. "On-Island" facilities appear to be different.

In "The Man Behind the Curtain," Ben arrives on the Island with his father. They debark from a submarine, possibly the Galaga onto a pier that features light poles to facilitate movement in darkness. A small, gray structure reminiscent of outdoor toilet facilities is at the land end of the pier, as are at least three DHARMA vans and supplies being loaded into vehicles, including a small boat that has been pulled up onto the land.

In 1977 in "Namaste," Jack, Hugo and Kate are driven to the processing center, which is a brightly painted building located among other brightly painted buildings.

In 2007/2008, in "Namaste," Sun and Frank cross to the Island and land at the pier equipped with the lighting featured in "The Man Behind the Curtain." At least one of the light poles has collapsed; they are not depicted passing by the gray building. They walk to an area with brightly painted buildings. One features the "PROCESSING CENTER" sign. Another has at least one boarded-up window and a door with a DHARMA logo.

The Pala Ferry pier, with an open-sided structure at the seaward end and no illumination, does not appear in "Namaste."

The Barracks is another group of buildings which is mostly residential in nature. Ben tells Sun that there is a dock one-half mile south. He does not say that the town he used to live in is the town he was living in on the the day Flight 815 crashed. He does not say how far it is.

We have been drawn into believing that the Barracks was the living space of the DHARMA Initiative. This is not possible. There are too many people in the Initiative to live in the structures depicted in episodes to date. To accommodate all of its members, the DHARMA Initiative had more than one village. The group of buildings we saw in "The Man Behind the Curtain" and in all the segments of "Namaste" is an administrative area for new arrivals. It is also home for certain members of the Initiative; Sawyer and Juliet are examples. Horace and Amy may live in that area, but that is not certain. The Changs' residence is even less certain. Pierre Chang appears in "Because You Left" to be walking to work, but he could just as easily have been dropped off at a shuttle stop by a driver.

• • Sawyer calls for backup on the walkie talkie when the flaming van goes into the building in "He's our you". He says there "is a fire in village 15". This could point out that there are multiple villages... and the one we see in 2007/8 with Sun, Lapidus and Christian is just one that was not used by the future others.. and not part of new otherton.
    • This is incorrect - Sawyer says there "is a fire in building 15". There is only one village.

• We see the Barracks in Namaste in two different time periods - 1977 and 2007-ish. We previously saw the Barracks throughout the rest of the series in the 2004 time period. But the 2007 Barracks look much different than the 2004 Barracks, and much different than can be explained by just a three-year gap. Did we ever see the "Processing Center" sign swinging in the breeze (or even still attached), or boarded up windows, DHARMA Recruiting class photos or any sign that the whole place had been abandoned for thirty years at any time the Others were living there? The first glimpse of the Barracks was in the Season 3 premiere, when Juliet, Ben, Ethan, Goodwin, et al witnessed the plane breaking up. Through the time Jack was staying there up tossing the football with Mr. Friendly to when Locke's group made camp, played Risk and had a shootout with Keamy's mercenaries, the whole Barracks appeared clean and basically neat. The 2007-era Barracks looks as if it's been deserted for thirty years. I believe this is a clear indication that the 1977-era Losties have indeed changed history.

• This is a clear indication that the buildings seen in "Namaste" are not the Barracks we've seen before. The Barracks are further inland and have been kept in better repair.
  • It would appear that they are different sets of buildings, because there seemed to be trees in around the building seen by Frank and Sun, while the Barracks was quite an open area. Also, they didn't seem to be travelling for very long and they did not travel through the fence, which surrounds the Barracks, as we have been told many times. It seems unlikely that this was removed in the last three years when the Others have not removed it in the time that they have previously controlled the island.

• This area may never have been occupied by the others, hence the DHARMA photos. It is unlikely that Sun and Frank just arrived at the barracks due to the fact that no water surrounds them.
• I'm so glad this picture is here, if you look at the first frame you can see many homes completely overgrown just off the main clearing. The only reason we didn't see the processing center before now is it was in this area, close to where the rest of the homes are, but unused as there is nothing there the Others needed. The reason Juliet never saw the 1977 pictures is she didn't ever see a reason to go into the abandoned area (or maybe she has seen them and knows more than she is letting on). The Reason we didn't see Sun and Frank walk from the docks all the way to the barracks is...nothing happened, there was no reason in the story to show two people walking on an overgrown trail past the sonic fence...which was deactivated by Keamy , and most likely never turned back on. As far a people saying that it's too far overgrown for only three years of abandonment, come on, it's a tropical environment where no-one was making any effort to clear it away, if anything they should be more decrepit and overgrown. There is constant rainfall, and tropical areas grow very quickly.Blackrock 108 17:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

• It could be that the plane didn't land in the present but at a future time. Either that or the mainland is in a different time. The barracks they come into is cold, uninhabited, overgrown and in shambles. The barracks as we knew it before the time skips was not that shabby or run down. There were no hanging initiation signs just floating in the wind or dust over everything. These barracks have been deserted a very long time.
  • It is the "present", 2007/8, because it clearly said it was 30 years later than 1977.
  • The Barracks are in disarray because of the 3 years they were abandoned. When structures are not used for an extended period of time they deteriorate very quickly without human intervention.
• The Barracks we see in this episode aren't isn't real, its merely a hallucination/projection of the cabin.

The Numbers during the Ajira Crash Landing

• If the numbers being played as the Ajira plane crashes are the same numbers we hear Hurley calling out on Danielle’s radio as she encounters a shipwrecked Jin than that must mean that the timeline that Sun and Lapidus are in must have been altered at least to the point where Danielle has never recorded over the numbers with her message.

• With that in mind, it is possible that the timeline they are in has been altered and must somehow be fixed.
  • It is also possible that the plane was open to many different time periods as it came through the "window" to enter the island. I do agree that it sounded like Hurley's voice when heard through Danielle's radio, and a different voice over Ajira's radio. Hurley recorded the #'s at some point, then was possibly recorded over by Pierre Chang after or during the purge.

• Mrs. Hawking said that the universe has "course correction" to achieve some end result or balance. So the intended path can be changed temporarily as long as it gets back on track before some end point. So staying within what happened happened and course correction, any number of things could have been changed as long as the end result is the same, the end result being something that hasn't happened at all yet (i.e. happens some time after 2008) so any number to things that have happened so far can be changed, maybe as course correction.

• She also said if everyone didn't come back there would be some unpredictable results. This is simply the reason the numbers are still playing in 2007. Because they didn't all go back, the numbers message just doesn't get changed like we have seen (and might predict for some future episode).

• The numbers are being read in a different voice than we have heard in past episodes. The numbers in this scene are being read by Pierre Chang.
• The numbers are heard as the Ajira flight is entering the space around the Island. While in the midst of travel, the plane is in a timeless or all-time space; the transmission is coming from some point pre-1988 as the plane is, for a fraction of a moment, in pre-1988 air. Time is in a state of flux relative to the plane while it is breaching the space surrounding the Island.
  • If the numbers are heard during the time flash, they are broadcast from 1977. However they could not be Hurley yet, since he hasn't had time to record them yet in 1977.
  • The numbers are heard because the plane has briefly time-shifted to 1977. It is during this temporal hiccup that Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid are left behind in the past while the plane and the rest of the passengers and crew shunt back to 2008.
  • But, the runway is already built (the one that Sawyer/Kate were helping to build in 2004)! And that was way after 1977 as we all know, therefore they cannot be in 1977! Theory debunked.
  • But, We have no idea whether Juliet was telling Kate and Sawyer the truth; we never actually saw them working on a runway.
• In "Through the Looking Glass", the Losties stopped Rousseau's transmission in order to get a clearer signal to the freighter. In the three years between 2004 (when the O6 were rescued) and 2007 (when 316 crashed), someone has resumed the radio transmissions with the original "numbers" message.
• The numbers have been changed back. After the Losties turned off the Danielle Rousseau's transmission someone started it back up again with a new recording of the numbers.
• The 1977-era Losties changed history in such a way that Rousseau's group didn't find the island and never changed the recording. The numbers have broadcast, repeatedly, for years after DHARMA left.
  • It appeared that the voice with the numbers which drew Rousseau's group to the island was Hurley; thus the only way that that history could happen to start with was if Hurley went back in time (as he has) and recorded the message. He IS back in time now, and thus has to "create" history; he can't not.
  • There is no possible way to change the things that have already happened, which means there is no way to prevent Rousseau's team from finding the island in 1988. There could be a smaller radio tower on Hydra Island that is also broadcasting the numbers, and the Ajira plane picked it up when it flew over the smaller island.
    • There is a possible way. His name is Desmond. We don't know what kind of influence he may have, or when.
• The broadcast of the numbers has traveled through time, not the plane and the people hearing the numbers. This could be related to when Hurley and Sayid heard what appeared to be an old broadcast from the station WXR in "The Long Con" from Season 1.
  • TPTB confirmed in the latest recap episode that this broadcast was indeed traveling through time. It's very likely the numbers broadcast was coming from the past as well. The different voice is most likely just an error.
• The airplane landed on the island not in 1977. some of the plane are in the past, in 1977 (Kate, Hurley, Sayid, jack), and others are in another time. for this, the numbers are the recorded by Rousseau, before the tape was stopped.
• Is it possible these "what lies in the shadow of the staue" people are some kind of new dharma, and then is it also possible that during the 3 years away from the island this new dharma has returned and continued there experiments

Ben

• When Ben finally awakes back in 2007 he is going to have full recollection of his meeting with Sayid in the jail cell back in '77 (much in the same way Desmond had full recollection of his meeting with Daniel). With a better understanding of the way the Island works he will assist Locke/Sun/Frank to align the two time frames.

• Ben's memories will not work the same as Desmond's. From Ben's POV, he has always met Sayid (and most likely the rest of the Losties) when he was a child. It's going to turn out that Ben knew these people pre-815.

• Desmond isn't necessarily the only one who can change the future/past. As suggested earlier, the Barracks might appear different in 2007 because the events of the past have changed it. Ben never killed the DHARMA Initiative, the others never took over the barracks, all because the past was altered.

• The past isn't altered. It always happened like that. Ben always knew Sayid. Ben just never revealed that fact. It's not like he doesn't have a history of keeping secrets. This would explain a lot: if Ben has always known Sayid, Sawyer, Kate, & Jack, it explains why they were never captured by the Others, even though they were among the strongest survivors. It explains why he knew to start files on them. It brings new light to Sawyer, Kate, Jack, and Hurley on the dock. Etc, etc.

• Bens arrival and continued presence, as a child, is already known to Sawyer, Juliet, Miles and Jin. No way they couldn't know who he is. At least Sawyer in his function as Head of Security should have noticed the name.

• Absolutely. Ben's presence may be one of the reasons why Sawyer and Juliet are still there after three years and haven't left on one of the subs.

• Ben has always met the Losties but doesn't remember them when he meets them later. He probably only knew them a short time and 30 years is a long time. Long enough for a person to forget people they met when they were around 13. So he won't remember meeting them and hasn't been keeping it a secret.

• Ben remembers the Losties 30 years in the future, which is why Michael's list includes four 815 members currently in the DI. He also remembers Juliette, explaining his obsession with her, and Sayid, who he knows to be dangerous (and thus explains why he later hires him to be his hitman). As for Jin and the Kahana crew, perhaps young Ben never had much contact with them, or young Ben eventually knew enough about Jin to identify him as justifiable leverage against Sun.

• Michael's list has nothing to do with who Ben may remember from the 1970's. Those 4 people were chosen for very specific circumstances at that time (Jack to operate on Be, Sawyer/Kate to use to manipulate Jack, Hurley to deliver a message)

• There will be some conflict in the 1977 timeline between Jack, Sawyer, Kate and Juliet that young Ben will be a witness to. This is how Ben will know that Jack can be manipulated using Sawyer and Kate.

• Sayid will attempt to kill young Ben and be foiled due to not being able to change the past. In weighing the decision to kill young Ben, Sayid will have to decide whether young Ben can be changed (free will), or whether he will inevitably take the same actions (fate).
• This would explain why Ben was so adamant about keeping the Losties on the island. They would have never caused the time skips or gone back in time. Perhaps there's a reason Ben doesn't want them in 1977? (The incident?)
  • The skips/time traveling weren't caused by them leaving the island, they were caused by the wheel when Ben turned it. Even if they never eft, they would still all be in 1977... but Desmond would be there too.
• When the Losties find young Ben on the island, they set about making his life miserable. The constant harassment and abuse by the Losties turns young Ben evil. But seriously, Ben collects his info on the Losties from the Losties themselves. His extensive records about them weren't gathered from mainland spies but from personal experience. His info on them was also gathered over time, in the years after they left the island, before they returned. The names on "Jacob"'s list weren't an accident.
• The events in this episode take place after Ben first meets Richard Alpert in the woods outside the compound. Richard told him he may be able to join them, but it would be a while and he would have to patient. When Young Ben goes into give Sayid a sandwich, he is actually on a mission from Richard (possibly his first mission, to test his worth) to find out information about who Sayid is. Sayid may end up revealing (possibly inadvertently) to Ben that he is the future leader of the hostiles/others. This may be what inspires Ben to become their leader...and/or what convinces Richard that Ben is the one who should be chosen leader (similar to how he found out Locke was a future leader based on him appearing to him in 1954...he finds out who leads through time travelers).
  • Ben was on a mission from Richard and his comment about there not being mustard on the sandwich was a code. It is unclear if Sayid got the answer right or not.
• Something else happened to Ben beside Sun’s aggression, because when we see it in the beds where de other 316 passengers were recovering from their injuries, Ben has a lot of blood and wounds, that can’t be caused by Sun’s hit.

• Ben boarded the plane with many wounds from whatever he was doing that caused Jack to have to pick up Locke's body; these are the wounds seen when he's lying in bed in TLDJB

• I think the order of the happenings is: first, Ben is injured off the island, which is visible in 316 flight; second he gets better after the crash (because of the island properties to accelerate healing); third, he is knocked out by Sun; finally, I don’t know what else happens, but he suffers other attack, some way! when he reach the outriggers with Sun, the wounds are much better. The injuries he has in the bed, when Locke indentifies him, are different and a lot worse than the previous – and couldn’t be the boat oar, that Sun used to hit him, to do that.

• The wounds Ben has in bed at the end of "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" are the same that he has just before Sun hits him in "Namaste." These wounds haven't disappeared, and the wounds he has in the bed are not any worse or different. The scene at the end of "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" is the evening of the day seen in "Namaste." There are pictures of Ben in the episode summaries of each; compare them.

• Ben surely remembers Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid from his childhood when he meets up with them again as survivors of Flight 815 in 2004. That would probably explain why he already had files on all of them. It also provides the urgency he felt for getting them ALL back to the island--he knew it had already happened that way and that anything else would change the past. Also, in reference to remarks about Ben and Richard, remember that although Ben met Richard when Ben was a kid, Ben doesn't initiate the "purge" of the DHARMA Initiative until he is an adult. So, in 1977, that betrayal is still quite some time in the future.
• Ben knows Sayid is not a "hostile", because Ben has already been hanging out with the Others by this time. Ben is sent by Richard to find out who Sayid is, where he came from, and why he claims to be a hostile. Sayid unknowingly calls Ben's bluff when he replies "do you think I am" to Ben's question "are you a hostile?".
• Ben is a red herring. He managed to purge the DI, but every other major project of his has been a failure. Tom complains in Season 3 that his obsession with childbirth has been a distraction, and he's being marginalized by Jacob in favor of Locke. When Ben meets Sayid, we see the beginning of the end of his importance on the island.

Sun-Hwa Kwon

• Follow up Theory: DI do/did avoid the Purge depicted in "The Man Behind the Curtain", but it will lead Sawyer, Jack et al to discover that by avoiding the Purge Island history will unfold in a catastrophic manner; that by acting on what they believed to be good intentions they actually made matters far worse. They will ally themselves with Richard and carry out a "new" purge to ensure that the DI is removed and in this "new" history the Others never occupied the Barracks or bothered to clear out the old DHARMA photos. Eloise Hawking did say that they needed to recreate the instances of the 815 crash as much as possible. Maybe it wasn't so the whole plane would crash but so that each person would return in the way they should have.
• No altered past! No altered past! How many times does the show have to directly say that to you?

• Sun was not meant to be on the island (Jin wished for her not to return), unlike the other Losties.
• Everyone is where they are supposed to be. They where not meant to leave, if they didn't leave 4 out of the 5 who returned be time traveling, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid. Sun would be dead because she was pregnant. Like Eloise Hawking said, the universe has a way of course correcting.
  • This makes more sense than most of the other theories here.
  • I agree with this in part, but not fully, I don't think it is the universe course-correcting so much as the Island, or Jacob. Everyone leaving the Island didn't alter time, but it was by the design of Widmore and non-Island dwelling folk as opposed to Jacob or the Island, whatever you want to call the powers that be. Basically, everyone who left the Island by means that worked with the Island (ie. the Donkey Wheel) were simply brought to present day (those being Ben and Locke) and those who weren't meant to be on the Island in the first place, except by the design of non-Island folk, were simply brought to present day, namely Frank. Everyone else was put back where they should be, but Sun was a total anomaly in my plans - but your theory about her being dead is perfect! Maybe, as a representative of Jacob, and by extension the will of the Island, he is going to try and kill her, so it will be as if the freighter folk never arrived on the Island... sort of.
• There are no alternate pasts or futures; there is one timeline, as has been indicated and stated multiple times. Sun, Frank, Ben, and Locke are in 2007 because they did not recreate the crash of 815 closely enough on 316. Specifically, they were missing Walt.
• Frank and Ben were not among the 6. They should not have flashed back. Sun is the sole exception of the 6 not going to 1977, for a unknown reason. Locke was dead and could not flash.

• According to Eloise, if 815 was not recreated closely enough, the results would be unpredictable; hence, some of them go to 1977, some stayed in 2007.

• Sun is simply in 2007 because the island has work for her to do there. It seems that Christian's job is to tell people when they have work to do and when their work is done. It's no surprise that it was Christian who met her. She'll get back to 1977 but not until she gets some work done.
• Sun didn't flash because when she left the island there was herself AND her unborn baby... she didn't bring her child with her so she didn't "fully" return.

• This would explain why Locke did not flash back as well. He was not dead on flight 815. The change in state of their bodies prevented them from flashing with the island.

• Sun didn't go flash back to 1977 because Locke promised Jin that he wouldn't bring her back, and the Island was trying to keep Locke's promise.
• Sun didn't flash back to 1977 because she "was traveling alone" (she says this when Iliana asks her if she lost someone on the plane). On 815, she was traveling with Jin. For her this is a very significant difference between 316 and 815. On 815 she wrestled with conflicting feelings about whether to leave Jin and start a new life. In the end she chose to stay with him and so they both boarded 815 together. On 316 she had no doubts at all. But this time she was separated from Jin, and traveling alone.
• Nothing really just happens on Lost without some underlying purpose. However, it seems that the writers wanted to keep from resolving the separation of Sun and Jin. If Jin were and Sun were to be reunited at this point, the tension would be resolved and the characters would flatten because they have "no work to do". On the same notion, Jin sacrificed himself for Sun and his friends. Sacrifice is obviously an important theme in Lost that signifies the "good". Sun has been anything but good lately. She has been deceitful and above all else, has been bitter for a long time. If Widmore is "bad" (which is quoted because the difference between good and evil is skewed), she is working with the enemy. She MUST redeem herself and prove her value before being reunited with Jin.
  • The Island wouldn't let Sun back because she is working with Widmore. Her resolve is obviously changed, and her deceitfulness shows that she is not the same Sun that was on the island. In the same way, the Island did not let Ben back until he was judged. Sun's "bit of journey" is to the Temple to be judged herself.
• There's been a lot of talk about how the Oceanic Six should have never left the Island in the first place, had Sun not left the island she would be dead as a result of her pregnancy. This could make her circumstances unique and may explain why she didn't time travel with her fellow 815 Survivors.
• Perhaps it's as simple as this: If whatever happened happened, and that means all events that occurred in the past were always a part of the timeline, Sun just did not appear in the past at all, or she did not appear in the past at the same time as everyone else. The same with Locke, Ben, and Frank. They had never appeared in 1977 so they would never have flashed back to that time. Of course, this only works if we believe what has been continually stated, there is only one timeline that is unchangeable, save for the small amounts of course correction that occur with people able to provide a little change, like Desmond.
  • Further, it's possible Locke, Ben, Sun, and Frank had interactions with Islanders around that time previously and exist on or about the Island at that time. Locke via Richard, Ben by virtue of being young Ben in the past, Frank in an unknown way, and Sun in an unknown way.
• As soon as I saw Christian, I was under the impression that Sun was dead, as is similar with how some believe that Claire is dead. Just like John can "get back" and possibly "rejoin" the world of the living, I think this is possible for Sun as well.

The Flash

• The flash that occurred when the plane was in descent was simply the plane going through the window that Eloise Hawking spoke of. By going through his window the plane was brought directly to the island and due to the odd time variances that occur it was suddenly daytime.

• Also if the island moved its passable it was suddenly day time because the island moves to another point on earth, a point where it is still day

• If that was the case we'd have seen random changes of day and night on the island all the time, but the island has a completely regular day/night cycle, so I don't think the change was due to movement of the island. I'd say that's what the odd time variances are - the windows to the island are what moves, not the island itself...and the windows' locations' day/night cycles don't always match that of the island's.

• Though it is possible Flight 316 flashed to another time, if they did, it would only be a matter of days, weeks or months. Present day for them is 2007, and after the place crashes it is still 2007 (as the 30 Years Earlier tag makes clear). It is more likely that they did not flash in time, but rather moved with the island as it moved. As Eloise Hawking indicated, the island is always moving, so the night to day change could have been due to a location move and not a time move

• As noted above, if the change to day would have been due to a movement of the island, people on the island would witness that kind of phenomenon repeatedly, yet never have as far as I can remember.

• The whole 316 crew flashed over into another time too, maybe in the future. Before the flash, it was night. Afterward it was daytime. This might explain why the barracks looked so messed up. (more than it was before the black smoke came after the mercs). Something must have happened in between. 30 years prior to the time that 316 took off would be 1978, not 1977. Clearly the 316ers flashed to some point in 2007 when night became day just before the crash

• 30 years earlier from the present would not be 1978, but 1977. Jeremy Bentham's obituary was dated April 2007, and Flight 316 takes off just days after his death, thus the present is 2007, not 2008.

• I'm not sure we should take the "30 Years Earlier" tag that seriously. Who says it's referring to the actual date of the 316 crash, and not to the whole scene/chain of events - one that starts with 316 flying into the window in 2007 after all. If I was a writer of the show and would want to keep the viewers in the dark without out rightly lying to them, I'd see that as a perfectly legitimate way of going about it.

• The barracks is messed up because when we last saw it after the mercenary attack it was January 2005. When Sun and Frank arrive it is 2007. It's been abandoned for almost three years, so extreme disrepair would be expected.
  • Extreme disrepair yes, but not DHARMA stuff everywhere.
• There may still be others on the Island they may have repaired the barracks
• Frank and Sun probably aren't at the Barracks. The Barracks are located inland, although presumably the dock they came in on is the one Locke blew up the submarine at. Anyways...Its all covered with DHARMA signs and such. This stuff wasn't there before. The 2007 of Sun/Frank/Ben/Locke is the "Unpredictable Result" of not everyone coming back. In this 2007 the others never actually inhabited these buildings. Had everyone returned, they would fulfill their destiny and the results would be predictable (see the island in seasons 1-4). The "no-altered timelines" people aren't gonna like this, i know.
  • Agreed, in 1977, all the new recruits from the sub are brought to the barracks by van. Those buildings which Frank and Sun were at were clearly a matter of feet from the dock, so either this isn't the dock used by the submarine, or these aren't the Barracks.
• When the plane starts to go down there is a metallic/mechanic sound pretty similar to the one that the smoke monster does.

Monster?

• The Monster was the rustling in the bushes.
• The Monster and Christian could be a manifestation of Jacob.
• Christian is a manifestation of the Monster.
• The possible appearance of the Monster indicates that it may soon manifest itself as Frank and Sun.

• The smoke that entered after might have been the person who appears behind Sun. Possibly Claire.
• Christian = Jacob = Claire. Jacob is confined to his cabin due to whatever that ash ring is so he utilizes the bodies of the dead to manifest himself and appear to others around the island, motivating them to do his will. This is why Christian can't help Locke turn the wheel. It's just a manifestation. The Smoke Monster acts as Jacob's "bouncer" and is the only way he can interact physically with the island. This is why they're seen together but they're not the same entity.
• Christian being Jacob wouldn't make sense. Jacob, according to Ben, hates technology. This fact is also shown when Locke turns on a flashlight and Jacob throws a tantrum. Since his hatred (or possible fear) of technology, why would he willingly turn on a light? The only evidence of Christian being Jacob is the fact that you can hear the Whispers before Christian turns the light on.
• Christian is representative of soem force on the island working at cross-purposes to Jacob. The last time we saw Jacob, he said, "Help me." The next time we see his cabin, Christian (and Claire) are in it. Christian claims to be speaking Jacob's behalf, but if Jacob showed himself to Locke once, why wouldn't he again? Jacob has been restrained in some way by "Christian" (i.e. whatever force he represents) and Locke's actions have all been guided by this force, against Jacob.

• The monster is the real force on the island. It manifests itself through all the people it has claimed, including Jacob, Christian, Claire, Danielle's crew, perhaps Richard, many of the Others, Yemi, Cooper?, etc. Over time, the monster has learned that to achieve its goals it must also cooperate with humans without assimilating them, like Ben, Widmore, Locke, Hurley, Jack, etc. The list of 815 survivors to be captured included the names of the people the monster wanted to assimilate, and left out the names of the strong individuals that would need to be worked with.
• The monster is following Frank around because it thought it killed Frank in the Pilot. It killed Seth Norris thinking Frank was the pilot which he should have been. Now that the monster sees Frank; it's coming for him.
• There are two different "smoke monsters" as it were. After Sun first enters the Processing Center and is speaking to Christian face-to-face, a very inconspicuous smoky mass entered in the door behind her. In the next shot we saw of Sun, there was a light-haired female character in the background behind her. It looked like Charlotte, but could've been Claire. The smoke that entered the door seemed a bit different from the black smoke monster in that it was a lighter, misty color- almost like a white or pale blue. If indeed there are two different "smoke monsters", this may indicate that Christian is indeed a representative of Jacob. Christian is Jacobs's avatar (with white tennis shoes) and fake Locke is the black smoke's avatar (wearing black shoes).

Outrigger used by Sun and Frank

• It can't be the same outrigger that Sawyer/Juliet/etc found on the beach with the Ajira water bottle, because Sun, Frank, and Ben all left the beach without taking any. And we can presume the unconscious Ben in the room with the other injured passengers was found where Sun hit him. So, it is likely whoever found him found the other outriggers (Ben said there were three) and took them to the main island.

• It's very likely they are the same outriggers. Sun and Frank took one, leaving two. We later see the 316ers with two outriggers. At some later time, we see exactly the same looking two outriggers on the main island beach camp, with an Ajira water bottle in one. So, obviously, the 316ers find an unconscious Ben and the remaining two outriggers, and at some point venture to the main island with them.
• If you look at screen shots of the two outriggers that Ilana points to and the two outriggers that Sawyer, Juliet, etc. come upon during the time skips, it is very obvious that they are the same.

• It has been more or less proven that when Sawyer's group was shifting through time, not to different points on the island, and for that matter in no way moving to the Hydra island, where the outrigger that sun and frank took are located. Sun and Frank take outriggers, leave it at a dock (not a beach). Ben gets forced to lead some 316'ers to the island, but takes them to a decoy spot not near any civilization and those were the outriggers that Sawyer's group use.

• Someone, perhaps Caesar, saw Ben, Frank, and Sun leave. Following them, he or she found Ben's body and brought it back to the infirmary, where Locke will identify him.

• Previous to Sun following Ben into the jungle Caesar is talking to the whole group about following him to search through the buildings he has discovered to see if they have any food and/or supplies making it doubtful they were followed. Also to this point it seems unlikely the people on the plane had any tracking skills that would match that of people who have previously inhabited the island.

• Ben and the Others hid the outriggers 3 years ago, back when Ben had control. He knows the Island, as soon as he realises where they are, he heads up straight to the beach to find the outiggers.
• How come no one has wondered about the origin of the Outriggers? The Others only had one (presumibly the one Sawyer carried with him from the present when they flashed back to the 80s) that was later stolen by Alex, and we last saw being used by Desmond and Charlie to infiltrate The Looking Glass. So where did 3 outriggers come from? Why are they in the Hydra Island in 2008?

Ethan as the baby

• The baby is Ethan, who would then have to be age 27 at the time of the crash of Flight 815. Being born on the Island (perhaps the first to be?) gave him the near-superhuman strength and resilience he displayed in season one (lifted Charlie off the ground by the throat with one hand, beat the tar out of Jack, rose up while Jack had him pinned to the ground by the throat, took a dozen or so punches to the face from Jack and then stood back up). Sawyer says something along the lines of "whoever or whatever you are" when the Survivors capture him, before Charlie kills him. As far as the purge, it has been hinted that Ben was not the only DI member to join the hostiles. If Ethan truly is this special, Ben would certainly want him on his side rather than dead. Ethan became a doctor because he was confused and fascinated by his own unique physiology, and wanted Claire and Aaron so badly because he thought, if Aaron could be born on the Island, there would be someone else like him.

• Ethan does not have super-human strength, and the idea is just ludicrous. Ethan beat the crap out of Jack for no more supernatural reason than Jack being a bit of a pansy whereas Ethan is actually trained to fight, being one of the others.

• Re-watch season one. The creators go to great lengths to show that Ethan is unusually strong and resilient, particularly evident in Sawyer's line referenced above. Evidence for why the idea is not ludicrous: time travel, the Island's healing powers, Walt's abilities, Desmond's abilities. If anything, this is less ludicrous than any of those things.
• If Ethan has some power in this area then it possible he was unaffected by the gas. He is not ageless, he just is very hard to kill.
• Ethan has super-human strength. The origin of the English name Ethan in the Hebrew Name and adjective EYTAN . It means (both modern and Biblical Hebrew) “strong man”.

• Aaron was born on the island because he was conceived out of it. Ethan probably survived the purge because he was out of the island, in the medicine school to become a surgeon; then, when he returned (in the sub, that the Others keep), he joined the Others because de DI people were dead. He is that special – maybe the “thing” that doesn’t allow women to give birth has not happened yet (maybe it will be the “Incident”).

• Ethan could not possibly be away at medical school during the purge - that was 1992. He was born in 1977. 15 year old do not go to med school.

• But it could be in high school. Or has intellectual gifted-ness.

• The hostiles may have kidnapped baby Ethan from the DI as they did other children--hence a last name of Rom instead of Goodspeed.

• Rom may be Amy's maiden name and he took her name after a divorce.
• Amy was married to Paul. Maybe his name was Rom

• Or it was chosen back in Season 1 simply to enable the anagram of his name - "Other Man" - and it will now be Goodspeed with no explanation given why it is different - a continuity error.

• Ethan's whole existence is bracketed by the Losties. Because the Losties save his mother, he is able to be born. Later, because of the Losties, he dies. If not for the time-traveling properties of the island, he would not have existed, therefore he is sort of an anomaly.

• If this is true, perhaps the Losties were doing their own "course correction" in the future by killing someone who shouldn't have existed in the first place. Furthermore, perhaps because Ethan should not have existed, certain "rules of universe" did not apply to him, thus granting him extraordinary strength, etc.

• Clearly you haven't been paying attention to the version of time travel Lost is using, there's no such thing as course correction. The future has already happened and the past relies on it, the entirety of time is held up by the rest of time, both future and past, because essentially it is all past. And I know there is course correction when Desmond flashes back into his past and first meets Eloise Hawking, but that's not time travel and he's the "exception" anyway.

• How do you explain Charlie and his many brushes with death. Every time Desmond saved him the universe would course correct and try and kill him again, this is the real nature of Desmond's powers, he is exceptional because he can change the future. Have you considered the ramifications of Desmond and his interference. If he let charlie die the first time he had his flash, then its possible no one would be able to turn off the signal blocker from the looking glass, resulting in no one being saved.

• If this is the case then almost everything is an "anomaly". The Lost universe is convoluted but it is still all linear.
• Ethan was not that extraordinary. He could not even fix Juliette's plumbing!!!
• This theory sounds very good. Ethan's kidnapping of Claire might have been his way to "thank" the survivors.

• It seems very unlikely that this is the case, in reality he probably never found out and had no idea time travel was possible, as most of the Hostiles and Dharma did not. (Even Richard Alpert himself is surprised by it in the 50s) He probably just did it because that was his job. Also, it's very unlikely that the Lost writers would have thought so far ahead as to have that as his motivation.

• Ethan later learns who Juliet is and that she delivered him on the island. This is why he went to recruit her in "Not in Portland" and said "It's an honor to meet you.".

• Kind of unlikely. I mean, she impregnated a male field mouse. I think that level of genius is enough to be honored to meet someone.

• Ethan's mother Amy is also Amelia, the older woman from the Season 3 premier. In that episode Amelia shows up early to Juliet's book club. The two walk out onto the porch and we see legs sticking out from under Juliet's house. The legs belong to Ethan, and Amelia says something to the effect of "Is he still working on this?!" with emphasis on the still. The way she said it is reminiscent of a mother talking about her child. Not necessarily sure of the importance of this other than it means that Ethan and his mother both survived the purge.
• Amelia was Amelia Earhart who managed to end up on the island when she and capt. Noonan went down. She was pretty old by the time of the Others living at the barracks.

Radzinsky

• Radzinsky and Kelvin had many conversations about their common acquaintance - Sayid
• The Hostiles/Others recruit Kelvin Inman to help Radzinsky and stage it to look like the DHARMA is initiating Kelvin.
• The Swan is in the planning stage. If it were being built, the Others would know about it. The model he is building is for Dr. Chang to use for the orientation film. Once the Swan is complete, he Radzinsky requests and gets transferred to that department.
• Eventually, Radzinsky ends up working with Kelvin Inman. When the Purge occurs, the two of them stay inside the Hatch and survive the attack, staying alive for years. Aware of the gas attack that poisoned the island, they write "quarantined" on the inside door of the Hatch.
• He is very cautious about Sayid seeing the survey of where the Swan is to be built, although it is extremely difficult to believe that the Others would not figure out where it was, if only because of the construction noise.
• As much as the Others dislike having a station occupied by non-Others, they recognize how useful it is to have first Radzinsky, then Inman and finally Desmond pushing the button for them.
• The quarantine, if there ever was any point to it, became valueless over time. Inman knew it no longer applied because he found Desmond on the Island and Desmond lived.
• Radzinsky's story will be revealed in detail during this season, showing us the completion of the Swan, the drawing of the images on the blast door and the eventual demise of Radzinsky as he takes his commits suicide.
  • Come to think, the only testimony we have about Radzinsky's death was Kelvin's, who we had already seen manipulating and lying to other people (Sayid and Desmond.) Probably, Kelvin killed Radzinsky for reasons yet to be known. First reason that jumps to mind is that he was really never with the DI, maybe he was still part of the American army and was sent to the Island to investigate the events of the 50s.
• Radzinsky knows very well what the Swan station actually is (a psychology experiment), being important in its development. He was originally placed there to pass himself off to Kelvin, the first true recruit for the Swan, as having been one in a long line of staff in the station. Unfortunately, soon after Kelvin's arrival, the purge occurs, putting the hostiles in charge, and Radzinsky knows it but can't explain it all to Kelvin. Hence, his madness and eventual suicide.
  • The vacuum tube from the Pearl Station led to a huge pile of journals where the activities of people in the Swan were tracked. This implies that the Pearl was in use for a long time, watching the Swan (among others).
  • It's been pretty well proven that the Swan was not, in fact, a psychology experiment.

Photo Timing

• there is no importance to this what-so-ever, it was just a setup for our loveable Hurley, please people, you're going to make me pull my hair out with this whole thread.
• In the photo that Sun looks at in 2007 that has the losties as DI members Hurley is looking straight at the camera. When the scene is shown in 1977, right before the picture is taken Hurley is seen looking to his right and says to Kate "Nama-what?" when we hear the flash going off. It seems that this was intentionally placed here but it could be a blooper.

• It is not uncommon to have multiple group shots taken before a final one is decided upon. The picture that we saw being taken was not necessarily the one Sun was looking at.

• I think it's only "too obvious to be a blooper" to us lot that over examine every scene. It's a little joke moment that doesn't bear over-examination.
  • I think the people saying Namaste had the depressed sound of a group that has been made to sit through numerous photo attempts to get a good one. However, this would make it unusual that Hurley would ask Nama-what on the last time only.
• I noticed his head wasn't turned as soon as the real photo was taken. It was THAT obvious. I didn't over examine it. I'm sure even the most casual lost viewer caught that. This wasn't just an error... they did it on purpose.

• No they didn't. The timing of the shutter click was just off to allow the Nama-what joke to be heard. No importance what so ever.
• See a picture of screen caps with both the "1987" version and the one we see in 2007. The picture that was taken when we hear the flash of the camera go off is not the one that Sun is looking at in 2007. The main evidence for this is if you look at the right hand of the 4th person from the left, on the 1987 version she has her thumb stretched away from her hand, where as in the 2007 version her thumb is next to her other fingers. Also the view that we see the photo being taken in 1987 is different, because on the view we see you can't see the 3rd person from the right, but he's definitely also there because we see his feet and he is shown later in that scene. The 3rd thing that I noticed is the lamp in the background, on the 1987 picture it's right above the head of the 4th guy from the right, where as in the 2007-version it's right above hurley. But that could also be because of the angle in which the image was taken.

• This is a clear example of over analysis. Hurley looking straight ahead is better for posture in a framed picture in a television show, while him turning to Kate and saying "Nama-wha?" during the live-action part was obviously meant as a typical light-hearted Hurley joke.
  • Not to mention, if anyone bothered to use logic they would realize that the difference in the picture could not be a result of a change in the timeline. The picture was simply taken. Anything the losties did after that, whether it changed the timeline or not, would not change the picture. The only way the picture would change is if they for some reason took another picture and destroyed the original. This is clearly nothing more than a continuity error. They happen all the time. Move on.
  • He turned his head after the pic was taken.
• The picture for which they all say "Namaste" wasn't the first picture, and an earlier, successful picture was already taken using a different phrase. The mouth formation required by "Namaste" is not as conducive to smiling as, for instance, "cheese", so the "Namaste" picture may have been an experiment or a gag on the part of the photographer or whoever was coordinating it.
  • If this is the case, why didn't Hurley already know how to pronounce "Namaste"? The reason he turned his head was because he was confused by the word. If they had taken a picture before, Hurley would have already known that "Namaste" was going to be said. If we've learned anything from LOST, it's that you can never overanalyze a situation. Even the littlest thing could be something major.

• The photographer said "Say Cheese" with the first picture... and "Say Namaste" with the second. Make up whatever solution you need to realize that this bares no importance.

• • The screen cap is taken by person holding a video (MP?) camera who is standing to the right rear of the actual photographer, allowing the TV image to include the camera and "establish" that a picture was being taken. That gives us a different perspective than that available in the viewfinder of the 35mm still camera, allowing the one man near our right to disappear behind another person. The camera click was undoubtedly added in post-production, probably slightly out of timing; to clearly hear the actual shutter function would have required a microphone on the still camera.

Sun's "Journey"

• The Journey Christian says Sun has ahead of her is off the island to get Aaron, Walt, Desmond and Ji Yeon in order to realign time.
• It will be the long journey to the orchid
• She has to journey 30 years, backward...
• In 'This Place is Death' Charlotte tells Jin "Don't let them bring her back, this place is death." I'm thinking that wasn't a reference to bringing her back to the island, it was a reference to bringing her back in time. Perhaps Sun going back in time causes or is tied into The Incident?
• Lapidus will move the island, thus sending him to Africa, and flashing everyone in the future to the past with everyone else.
  • You say that as if Frank HAS to go to Africa, that wehave seen him there before. There is no backing for this comment, anyone could just as easily turn the wheel.

Others

• They are still on the island and have already started their "interaction" with Team 316. They have taken the good people. They have already infiltrated the survivors camp. Caesar may be like Ana Lucia where he is a shoot first ask questions later type of leader, which is why the Ajira Outrigger was quick to fire upon Team Time Skippers in their borrowed outrigger. They thought they were the Others that have been attacking them.

• The Others haven't taken anyone from Team 316 as they're in a kind of holding pattern. Jacob decides who gets taken from the Survivors and without Ben or Locke to interpret his orders (or pretend to interpret them) they don't know who to take.

• "The others" in the 2007 timeline are at the temple, as Ben told them to go there. They are awaiting the arrival of either Ben, or now Locke to lead them.
• Maybe the others do recognize Kate, Jack and Hurley from the DI photo - that's why their names were in the list they gave to Michael in the 2nd season (along with James Ford).
  • James is on the list because Richard remembers meeting him in 1974, and possibly because Ben recognized him as DHARMA's "sheriff."
  • Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sawyer being on Ben's list for Michael to bring back has nothing to do with the time travel. First of all, then why wouldn't Sayid and Jin be on that list as well, as they were back in time. Also, Jack was on the list to operate on Ben's tumor, and Sawyer and Kate to use to manipulate Jack. Hurley, just to send back to the camp with the message. We already knew why they were on the list, so it has no connection to the time travel.
    • Jin might not be on the list either because Ben does not know about Jin, or Ben is aware of the language barrier afflicting Jin after the crash. There might also be a third option, where Jin is left behind as leverage against Sun, who the others know to have ties with her father, who is known to have economic ties with the Hanso foundation and with Widmore. As for Sayid, future events surrounding his masquerading as an Other might lead Ben to see a different, more personal use for him apart from the Others. Ben is clearly not above subterfuge and is willing to deceive his own people for his private reasons.
• Also, because the Others know them from the past, they made them return to the island on the Oceanic 815. They are in "loop mode" - they crashed on island, travelled to the past; the actions in the past will influence the future (like Daniel telling Charlotte to not come back), and once they get to the future (2008, seen from the DI period) it starts all over again.
• Ben's infatuation with Juliette may stem from him meeting her in the late 70s and developing a crush on her.

Miscellaneous

• The Island has begun to forgive Ben; when walking through the jungle of Hydra Island with Sun, Ben removes his arm sling and checks his arm, which seems to be healed or healing.
  • Possible, but it's also been at least 24 hours since his injuries were inflicted. If it were just a sprained wrist (most likely, as a broken bone would have a splint if not a cast), it would be feeling much better now already.

Processing Center is different

The processing center that Sun and Frank find appears to be a totally different building than the one that Jack, Kate, and Hurley were inducted at. Go to the main article on the Processing Center and compare the screen shots. Not only is the shape of the building different, but the 2008 building looks like it's smaller than the old building. Either the DHARMA Initiative moved the Processing Center to another building later, or else Sun and Frank found a manifestation of Jacob's Cabin.

Christian

• Christian is alive. He was not just a vision to Sun to tell her what to do because Frank could see him too ("Who the hell are you?"). Also, he held the 1977 photo to show Sun. He could not physically interact with the Losties if he were a vision (like how he couldn't help Locke up when Locke hurt his leg before turning the wheel in This Place Is Death).

Orientation and Sub recruits list

• Kate was not on the list because there were only two recruits that dropped out. According to Amy & Juliet's conversation, the sub was full except for the 2 spots from the dropouts (they didn't want to take the sedative for the sub journey). So Juliet couldn't have simply added all three Losties to the list without suspicion. So she waits till most of the recruits are processed, and replaces an already processed name with Kate's name.

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